| Subject: |
Re: Cattus Belli |
| From: |
MaNPaRoman@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:06:52 EDT |
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In a message dated 99-04-18 16:03:43 EDT, you write:
>
> Call the Aediles! And call Don King! I think we've got a real event here
for
> the next
> games! Instead of nets and tridents, we've got pantyhose and Lee Press-on
> Nails with
> Blood Red polish.
> And I thought that Gaul in the games for Ceres was tough!
>
> -- Flavia Claudia
Just stopping to read some email during the intermission in ---- SPARTICUS
Crys (I think Olivier IS wearing pantyhose!!)
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| Subject: |
Re: No Blood? (et Cetera) |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:40:51 PDT |
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Salvete, omnes!
Where else in the world could I read so much sensible, informed comment about sacrifice to the gods (animal and otherwise)?
For what it's worth, my personal view is that swift despatch of the animal's spirit, commending it to the source(s) of its life, in a ceremony done with humility and gratitude (like the Islamic Halali/
Kurban at its best) and where a barbecue is shared with the gods
(no levity intended)... all this is far more 'civilised' than the idea of a slaughterhouse and all that goes with that.
I do get the impression that some of the gods miss their meat sacrifices, whereas others don't seem to mind at all. For my own rituals, I occasionally use this prayer of Ausonius, which he wrote when he turned Christian and was obviously having difficulty with the changes in ritual requirement (I changed 'Deus', of course):
"Da (date), Diva/Dive/Dii, veniam, si te/vos non pecudum fibris, non sanguine fuso, quaero nec arcanis numen coniecto sub extis."
("Grant, Goddess/God/Gods pardon, if I seek you not with the blood of slain beasts, nor divine your will from their entrails"(or something like that)).
Valete in pace deorum,
N. Moravius Vado.
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| Subject: |
Photos from Britannia now on-line! |
| From: |
Claudia Aprica <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=053075020185175031223102001140243115239144190179017171173211025056109087020150170193201077179247241163050" >quinta_claudia_lucentia_aprica@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 02:42:27 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salvete!
If anyone has ever wondered what some of us
Britannici actually look like, I've now finally got
around to developing and scanning some photos which I
took at our banquet back in November, and at our New
Year's ritual in February. Featured are myself, my two
sons, Corvinus and Pavo, M. Mucius Scaevola Magister
and G. Caselius Cantor.
Check out:
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1133/dinner.html" target="_top" >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1133/dinner.html</a>
for the banquet photos, and
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1133/ritual.html" target="_top" >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1133/ritual.html</a>
for the New Year photos.
Bene valete!
Aprica.
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| Subject: |
Fw: ARCHPORT: Sarcsfago romano em chumbo |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:42:10 +0100 |
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-----Original Message-----
From: Paulo Monteiro <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=197166044078193237072149066056130089039145044219209130152" >paulo_monteiro@--------</a>
To: <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243212219122152190218057203043129208071" >ar--------rt@--------</a> <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243212219122152190218057203043129208071" >ar--------rt@--------</a>
Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 3:01 AM
Subject: ARCHPORT: Sarcsfago romano em chumbo
BBC NEWS, Wednesday, April 14, 1999 Published at 13:41 GMT 14:41 UK
Sci/Tech
Coffin to open up Roman Britain
A Roman coffin will be opened on Wednesday evening in London and
could contain the remains of the most important Roman person ever
found in Britain.
Curator Jenny Hall says the find is unique
Only a person of very high status could have been rich enough to
afford both a stone sarcophagus and a sealed lead coffin ornately
decorated with scallop shells.
Burying such a heavy object around the start of the fourth century AD
would also have been a rare and expensive event. It was uncovered a
few weeks ago, six metres (20 feet) down.
The Roman VIP could be a woman or a child
The contents of the coffin will be revealed when archaeologists
wearing protective suits and masks open it, hoping to learn more
about the ruling class of Roman London.
"This coffin without doubt belongs to someone very important," says
Dr Simon Thurley, Director of the Museum of London. "We know a huge
amount about Roman London, but very little about the very, very
important people who governed it."
The revelations from the coffin should give new insight into that
aspect of Roman life.
Very valuable "grave goods" have already been found alongside the
sarcophagus. These were placed to help the deceased on their journey
into the afterlife.
"What we found is very interesting and is unique to this country,"
Jenny Hall, the museum's Roman Curator told BBC News Online. "Amongst
other things, we found a little jet box and a long glass flask which
probably would have held perfumed ointments."
The stone sarcophagus is 2.1m by 1.2m (seven by four feet), but the
lead coffin is only 1.5m long (five feet). This, says Mrs Hall,
suggests that the person buried was either a woman or a child.
Dr Simon Thurley explains the significance of the find
Assuming there is a skeleton found inside, the archaeologists hope
that clothes, jewellery, and even shoes will be found, alongside
plates and jugs containing food for the journey into the afterlife.
The bones themselves will, after analysis, reveal the diet and health
of rich Roman Londoners.
There is unlikely to be a name inside the coffin but there is a small
chance that some body tissue will have survived. The Romans sometimes
packed coffins with gypsum or chalk and this may have preserved some
of the body.
The former site of London's Spitalfields Market is being redeveloped
This is the reason for the protective suits - a puff of vapour
released from the coffin could contain 1,700-year-old bacteria.
If bones, textiles or body tissue is discovered, the team will have
to act quickly to prevent it crumbling away when exposed once again
to the air.
The sarcophagus is the most important Roman burial find uncovered
since at least 1877, when another coffin was found.
But after over a century of scientific progress, there are high hopes
that this coffin will reveal more than ever about Roman Britain.
Images courtesy of the Museum of London Archaeology Service at
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_319000/319172.stm" target="_top" >http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_319000/319172.stm</a>
"BBC News, Thursday, April 15, 1999 Published at 13:23 GMT 14:23 UK
Sci/Tech
Coffin reveals secrets of a Roman lady
The opening of the most lavish Roman coffin found in the UK this
century has revealed the skeleton of a young woman.
Bone analysis will tell us about her diet
Archaeologists discovered a complete skeleton when they lifted the
lid on Wednesday evening at the Museum of London.
The elaborate nature of the coffin and items left in the grave have
led archaeologists to believe the skeleton could be that of the most
important Roman person ever found in Britain.
The museum's director, Dr Simon Thurley, said leaves dating back to
Roman London were found at the bottom of the coffin - a find he
described as "totally astonishing".
Rachel Ellison reports from the Museum of London: "A very exciting
find"
How the leaves got into the coffin is still a mystery, although some
were speculating that they could have formed a funereal garland.
"People last night were saying they could be olive leaves which would
be rather extraordinary if that were the case," Dr Thurley told BBC
Radio 4's Today programme.
"Or perhaps it was some wonderful romantic moment when a gust of wind
one autumn blew the the leaves across and they tumbled into the
coffin. We just don't know yet."
Dr Simon Thurley: Discovery of leaves in the coffin is "totally
astonishing"
He said the archaeologists were most excited by the inch of mud in
the bottom of the coffin, suggesting it may have been waterlogged.
This layer could preserve organic matter and jewellery.
Scientists wore protective suits
Dr Thurley said the left arm of the skeleton was folded across the
chest, suggesting a Christian burial. But the ornate scallop shell
decoration on the outside of the lead coffin had been thought to be
pagan symbols, a sign of what he called "an interesting insurance
policy".
Unearthed in the heart of London
The stone sarcophagus, with a sealed lead coffin inside, was buried
in the early fourth century. It was uncovered a few weeks ago in a
Roman cemetery at Spitalfields Market near the City of London.
The London Museum's archaeological team wore protective suits and
masks to open the coffin, in case any bacteria or toxic vapours were
released.
The BBC's Sancha Berg describes the moment the coffin lid was opened
Scientists worked through the night analysing the find, and more
details are expected to be released on Thursday.
It is hoped that DNA tests will establish exactly where the woman -
thought to be in her early 20s - came from.
There were no immediate clues to her identity, but archaeologists
said further investigation into the coffin's interior might reveal
more.
Insight into VIP Romans
Burying such a heavy object around the start of the fourth century AD
would have been a rare and expensive event. And the coffin itself is
expected to give new insight into the ruling class of Roman London.
"This coffin without doubt belongs to someone very important," says
Dr Thurley. "We know a huge amount about Roman London, but very
little about the very, very important people who governed it."
The coffin was found under Spitalfields Market
Very valuable "grave goods" have already been found alongside the
sarcophagus. These were placed to help the deceased on their journey
into the afterlife.
What we found is very interesting and is unique to this country,"
Jenny Hall, the museum's Roman Curator told BBC News Online. "Amongst
other things, we found a little jet box and a long glass flask which
probably would have held perfumed ointments."
The bones themselves will, after analysis, reveal the diet and health
of rich Roman Londoners.
Members of the public can view the continuing work on the coffin and
the skeleton at the Museum of London until 24 April.
Images courtesy of the Museum of London Archaeology Service at
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_319000/319833.stm" target="_top" >http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_319000/319833.stm</a>
Londoners Line Up for Aged Coffin
Thursday, April 15, 1999; 4:23 p.m. EDT
LONDON (AP) -- Hundreds of curious Londoners lined up Thursday to see
the newly discovered coffin of a wealthy Roman woman who was buried
1,600 years ago and lay undisturbed in the heart of the city through
most of its history.
Experts found the elaborately decorated lead coffin in a limestone
sarcophagus during an excavation in Spitalfields, an east London
district that was outside the city's Roman wall in the fourth century
A.D.
When the coffin was opened Wednesday night at the Museum of London,
archaeologists discovered a female skeleton, well-preserved ancient
leaves, fragments of a gold-thread textile and a glass phial.
They now will make a painstaking search of the coffin to find out
everything they can about the woman, who is likely to have been the
wife or daughter of a powerful Roman.
``She is a young woman, possibly in her early 20s, who came from a
very wealthy family in Roman London,'' museum spokesman Jennifer
Jones said Thursday. ``She would have enjoyed high social status.''
The fourth-century casket is covered with raised impressions of a
scallop shell and cross-hatched with a rope motif. The body was
placed in the 5-foot coffin with its right arm folded across the
chest, indicating she might have been a Christian, according to
museum experts.
A layer of moist silt at the bottom of the coffin preserved its
contents so well that a branch of small leaves was found almost
intact.
``The leaves look like laurel, bay or olive. Along with any other
organic material in the sediment, they give us an extraordinary
chance to find out about human and plant life in Roman Britain,''
Jones said.
``This is an enormously significant and very well-preserved find. The
last Roman sarcophagus in London was found in 1877, so it is a once-
in-a-lifetime event for our archaeologists,'' he said.
Hours after the coffin was opened, the museum opened its doors to
people interested in filing past in a special room. It will remain on
display for 10 days.
The site of the excavation was once a Roman cemetery and 21 other
burials have been unearthed, with such offerings as pots, food and,
in one case, a pair of hobnail boots.
Adjacent to the Roman site is a medieval graveyard where
archaeologists have found dozens of skeletons.
Caesar conquered Britain in 43 A.D. and it remained a remote outpost
of the Roman Empire until the fifth century, when the Roman armies
were withdrawn. "
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| Subject: |
Cerealia |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:05:15 +0100 |
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Io Cerealia
Salvete cives
Today is the last day of the Festivals of Dea Ceres, the Cerealia. This day
represented the culmination of festivities. It climaxes with great
chariot-races, presided over by the plebeian aediles (well, this year was an
exception for the games were held for the 1st time. Next year I hope we will
stick once again to tradition =)); white robes are worn at the games. One of
the symbolic rituals of the final day is the release of foxes into the
Circus with flaming brands attached to their tails.
If you have something to ask Ceres, this is the day for your prayer.
Valete omnes
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Aedilis Plebis
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| Subject: |
Epistola pro animalia et contra sacrificium animalum |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:21:03 +0100 |
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Salvete omnes
Cassius wrote:
>My guess is that Graecus was thinking of all the possible repercussions
that
>would take place if Nova Roma were to publicly condone and worse yet
>promote
>animal sacrifice. It would be a public relations nightmare; it would turn
>MANY people away from the Religio, and certainly doom our attempt to revive
>it. It is *very* tempting to take a hard line on this issue just to protect
>the Religio from a firestorm of negative opinion. Still, the distinction
that
>Nova Roma has placed on the difference between PUBLIC and PRIVATE >religion
>serves us well here I think. We can make certain that blood sacrifice will
>never be a part of the official Religio Romana rites of Nova Roma or in the
>personal rites we offer to Citizens, or even condoned on an official basis,
>and that is enough.
Yes, Cassius describes my intention. I have only mencioned PRIESTS to be
forbidden from blood sacrifice, for doing so endangers greatly the image of
the Religion in the modern context. Society today regards animal sacrifice
in a different way than our ancestors did, and we talk about animal's
rights.
Remember when the Romans became shocked by the Carthaginians offering human
sacrifice? Well, that shock was within the context of the time. Today, it is
the time to become shocked with animal sacrifice.
But well, you ask me: Don't you eat meat?
Yes I do... And many times I meditate on wether I should do it. My view is
the following. If you have animals at home and will slay them for meat, you
are paying an honour to the animal if you do it as a sacrifice to the Gods
(after all, that meat was a gift from the Gods, and the Gods created us with
the need for food). But if you do the killing just as a sacrifice with no
use for your survival, I'm sure the Gods would be more glad if you made
another offering.
Conclusion:
We are Romans, but we are also NOVA-romans. Societies change. When the
Romans found the Carthaginians, they became shocked with human sacrifice.
Nowadays, we are shocked with the violation of animals' rights. In order to
better honour the Gods in hour society, lets act according to the best of
its values, i.e. human rights and animals' rights. Only in this way the
Religio Romana can grow and conquer the hearts of the men and women of good
faith.
Valete omnes
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Aedilis Plebis et Propraetor Provinciae Lusitaniae
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| Subject: |
Spartacus |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:56:53 -0500 (CDT) |
|
On 04/19/99 00:06:52 you wrote:
>
>Just stopping to read some email during the intermission in ---- SPARTICUS
>
>Crys (I think Olivier IS wearing pantyhose!!)
Probably. But he was still hot-looking. The real Crassus should have looked so good.
Speaking of Spartacus (as we all give a good ol' Roman shudder), I loved Jean Simmons
in the movie, but to be more accurate, from a historical view, Spartacus' Significant Other
was supposed to have been more like Lucy Lawless! She was supposed to have fought just
as fiercely as he did.
Great movie, in any case, if a little sentimental.
-- Flavia Claudia
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| Subject: |
Re: Spartacus |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:59:47 EDT |
|
In a message dated 99-04-19 08:57:04 EDT, you write:
> Spartacus' Significant Other
> was supposed to have been more like Lucy Lawless! She was supposed to have
> fought just
> as fiercely as he did.
Women didn't fight well in those push-up bras back then <G>.
Crys (gettin a backache just thinkin about it)
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| Subject: |
Re: on the Roman Theme Park, from the Leg IX Hisp newsletter |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:04:28 -0500 (CDT) |
|
On 04/18/99 17:04:03 you wrote:
>
>From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
>
>Daily Telegraph London
> Uproar in Umbria over plans for ancient Rome theme park
> By Bruce Johnston in Rome
> (Edited down to just the highlights)
>
>Proposals for a 1,400-acre Disney-style theme park in unspoilt countryside near Orvieto,
>in Umbria - Italy's "green heart" -
>are facing stiff opposition from local people as well as VIPs and foreign nationals with
>homes in the area.
Wow! You mean they're really going ahead with this project??
I heard about it last year when it was announced, but lots of things are announced and
never get built. If you hear any more about it, please keep us informed.
-- Flavia Claudia
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| Subject: |
OT, but funny |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:08:53 -0500 (CDT) |
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Thought we could use some humor on the list.
Sent to me by my brother, a jazz musician who gets to hear all the latest jokes first.
-- Flavia Claudia
>Subject: Potential Company Mergers:
>
>
> Xerox and Wurlitzer: They're going to make reproductive organs
>
> Fairchild Electronics and Honeywell Computers: New company will be
> called Fairwell Honeychild
>
> Polygram records, Warner Brothers and Keebler: new company will be
> called Poly Warner Cracker
>
> W.R. Grace Co., Fuller Brush Co., Mary Kay Cosmetics and Hale Business
> Systems: New company will be called Hale Mary Fuller Grace
>
> 3M and Goodyear: New company will be called mmmGood
>
> John Deere and Abitibi-Price: new company will be called Deere Abi
>
> Honeywell, Imasco, and Home Oil: New company will be called Honey I'm
> Home
>
> Denison Mines, Alliance and Metal Mining: New company will be called
> Mine, All Mine
>
> 3M, J.C. Penney and Canadian Opera Company: New company will be called
> 3 Penney Opera
>
> Grey Poupon and Dockers Pants: New company will be called Poupon Pants
>
> Knott's Berry Farm and National organization of Women: New company
> will be called Knott NOW!
>
> Zippo Manufacturing, Audi, Dofasco, and Dakota Mining: New company
> will be called Zip Audi Do-Da
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: No blood? was Re: What's in a Name? |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:27:34 EDT |
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In a message dated 4/18/99 4:02:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=173075066165082194184241189100114253071048139" >JusticeCMO@--------</--------; writes:
<< 1) our list moderator already called for a moratorium on the links issue,
therefore we should *all* take it private (ya might have missed the post,
which is why I point it out) >>
yeah...didn't get that until after I read your post. : )
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| Subject: |
Fwd: [Mid] Newsflash! |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:49:45 EDT |
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Salve all ,
This was posted on my Kingdoms list to day and i thought I would
share it with you all.
P.A.
In a message dated 4/19/99 8:34:24 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=173233214185159166036154072024006088136232139046209" >John_Timmons@--------</a> writes:
<< Wealthy 1700-Year-Old Roman Lady Unearthed in London
Dateline: 04/15/99
The skeletal remains of a young Roman woman in her twenties
were
unearthed yesterday at the Museum of London, revealing what
archaeologists
are calling " a unique glimpse at the ruling class" in
Roman-occupied London
about 1700 years ago. The body of this wealthy lady is
presently lying in an inch
of sediment, indicating that at some time in the past, the
two-ton stone sarcophagus
bearing the coffin of the woman had been invaded by water,
leaving mud which may
contain links to London's Roman past.**********************
Read the rest at "latin.miningco.com/library/bllady.htm"
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=173233214185159166036154072024006088136232139046209" >John_Timmons@--------</a> (John Timmons) >>
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| Subject: |
"A History of Pagan Europe" |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:42:31 +0100 |
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Salvete omnes
I've found a book in my University's bookshop, titled "A History of Pagan
Europe". The authors are Prudence Jones and Nigel Pennick.
This book defends the thesis that Ancient European Paganism (Norse, Celtic,
Greco-Roman, etc.) has survided within the Christian and Muslim societies
from antiquity to the present day, and that it has now started to be
restored in its original form. The book is in fact worth reading.
It made me immediately recall the reality of christian catholic religion in
Portugal. In fact, it seems that common people did know how to adapt to the
new strict monotheistic religion of Jesus Christ. In fact politheism took
another form. The several Gods of the Christian Pantheon are now called
Saints... and there are even several Jesus Christs and Maries with their own
festivals. For example, in Portugal people celebrate the "Nossa Senhora das
Necessidades" ("Our Ladi of the Necessities"), "Nossa Senhora de Fatima"
("Our Lady of Fatima") and many others as if they were distinct entities or
different aspects of the same deity. The assimilation of Sol Invictus to
Jesus Christ during Constantine's reign is in fact an evidence that the
Christian authorities knew that paganism was a more natural form of
religion - strict monotheism being difficult to impose to common people -,
and they were happy by simply having the people calling Jesus, Mary and St.X
to the ancient Gods.
In fact, we should call the majority of Christians as "Pagans of Christ" and
not true "Christians".
Valete omnes
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Aedilis Plebis et Propraetor Provinciae Lusitaniae
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| Subject: |
Re: No blood? was Re: What's in a Name? |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:49:19 PDT |
|
>From: Pythia <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200176234108158116015132190036129" >kingan@--------</a>
>
>
>
>Tinnekke Bebout wrote:
>
>> From: "Tinnekke Bebout" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a>
>>
>> Salvete Omnes
>>
>> I have to agree with Serena on this. We may or may not like what
>> someone has on their homepage, but if it is NOT a NovaRoma page,
then
>> it's a personal matter between yourself and the webmaster in
>> question, and not a matter for the NovaRomani.
>>
>
>So the fact that he is a Senator doesn't come into it?
>
>Pythia
No, it doesn't. Last year I was curule aedile. I have a personal web
page that included my involvement in NovaRoma as a side mention but
wasn't a NovaRoma page. It had many other elements, and still does.
If you had accessed that page and found something on that page you
didn't like you could have emailed me and asked about it, but it
would not have been a thing for the Romani. It's a seperate part of
my live as Germanicus' is part of his. As to including that in his
.sig. Many people do that in their general .sig, which I think that
is since I have seen him post on NGs with the same .sig. (Heck it's
how I found NR in the first place...he posted info on NR on alt.pagan)
Valete
Lucina Iunia Cypria
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| Subject: |
Re: Racial Hygiene |
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"Tinnekke Bebout" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a> |
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Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:01:19 PDT |
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>From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
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>Salvete, Omnes
>
>1. Almost everyone has two parents, four grangparents, eight
>great-grandparents, et cetera.
>
>2. By extrapolating powers of two, it can be mathematically
demonstrated
>that each of us had one billion ancestors alive in the year 1200.
>
>3. However, the human population did not reach one billion until
some time
>in the 1800s.
>
>4. Thus, anyone who thinks he or she is racially pure is:
> a) quite possibly misinformed, or
> b) quite obviously a congenital idiot.
>
>5. Every European has a Roman in the woodpile... Heil this!
>
>6. Same goes for North Africans and Middle Easterners.
>
>7. Homo sapiens sapiens started out from equatoriat East Africa on
the most
>successful world tour ever in approximately 35,000 B.C.E.
>
>8. The play dates for Homo sapiens sapiens' world tour cannot fit
on a
>single T-shirt, but everyone's 140,000th great-grandmother had to go
pee
>behind the bushes.
>
>8. WHAT IN THE HELL HAS GOTTEN INTO YOU PEOPLE?
To me the whole thing was about the rights of an individual to post
what they like on a personal page. As to the rest, I agree with you,
it's turned into a bunch of petty name calling and is hardly worth
the dignitas sacrificed to address any of the possible valid issues
to get caught in the inanity of the behavior of some of the people
involved.
>
>9. Item 8 is a rhetorical question. If you respond, you are
probably
>Category 4b.
>
>Valete,
>
>Marcus Martianus Gangalius
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>Tom and Gail Gangale
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>Mars Society California
>The Martian Time Web Site
>The Martian Ministry of Culture
>Bunny Hill (and Catsville Too)
>The National Primary System
>World GenWeb Calabria
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Re: Listmom weighs in |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a> |
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Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:03:00 PDT |
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>From: -------- <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a>
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>Several people on this list have recently descended to the level of
>personal attacks. This behavior is inappropriate for this list and
does
>nothing to enhance one's own dignitas. I won't name names, but if it
>continues I will warn the offenders. Take it to private e-mail and
duke
>it out there, or disagree in a dignified manner.
>
>Pythia, who started this whole thing, is away on vacation. E-mail
her
>privately if you've got anything to say to her.
>
>As duly authorized list moderator, I hereby declare the topic of
>Germanicus' personal web page is irrelevant to this list and is
closed.
>E-mail him privately if you've got anything to say to him.
>
>Patricia Cassia
Sorry, Cassia, I didnt see this til after I had sent my replies.
L Iunia Cypria
(very grateful the discussion is closed)
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Re: "A History of Pagan Europe" |
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Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:08:26 EDT |
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In a message dated 4/19/99 11:33:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> writes:
<< The several Gods of the Christian Pantheon are now called
Saints... >>
of course. The Catholic Church is the biggest Pagan Church going!
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
OT RE: Pagans -- Fwd: [WebGoddess] Dangerous website against Pagans |
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| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:19:48 EDT |
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Salvete,
Anybody ever hear of these people before or is this a new bunch of nuts?
Crys
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| Subject: |
Re: OT RE: Pagans -- Fwd: [WebGoddess] Dangerous website against Pagans |
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| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:29:19 -0400 |
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Salve,
>Anybody ever hear of these people before or is this a new bunch of nuts?
>
>Crys
Oh, they've been around for a while. This "Say No To Witchcraft campaign" is
a new slant on their same old line of bile. Ya can't let folks like this get
to you; that's exactly what they want. Letters of protest, etc. just feed
their sense of self-importance ("haha! I'm really getting to those bad ol'
pagans now!"). Better by far for them to hear the icy echoes of silence, and
wonder if _anyone_ is reading their stuff. What folks like this cannot stand
is not to have an audience.
Just goes to show there are hateful kooks involved in every religion...
Vale,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus
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| Subject: |
Re: "A History of Pagan Europe" |
| From: |
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:31:29 -0500 (CDT) |
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Salvete omnes...
>"A History of Pagan Europe"
Thanks for reviewing this for us. I'd been thinking of ordering it
from my bookclub, which has been offering it for several months; but
you know how mail-order is...one sometimes hesitiates to send away for
a book sight unseen and inner-jacket flap unread. Now I'm interested!
>In fact, we should call the majority of Christians as "Pagans of
>Christ" and not true "Christians".
Dusting this off from last winter 'cause it's worth repeating...
Sergius Austalis wrote ('way long time ago):
>So what is a "Roman Pagan?" A Roman who's still running from
>Constantine's agents?
...and I, MariusFimbria, replied:
Yes, why not? It'd solve all *kinds* of difficulties for me--you see,
being a heretical-sect Christian m'self, I am *also* still on the run
from Constantine's agents...or their modern descendents...
...ergo, I'm a pagan too!
[pumps fist] YYESSSS! >({|:-D
Bless you and thank you, Sergius Austalis!
--Marius Fimbria (who *has* a sense of humor, really he does!)
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Re: OT RE: Pagans -- Fwd: [WebGoddess] Dangerous website against P... |
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| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:19:26 EDT |
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I wouldn't concern yourself over this too much. This person is an obvious
loon!
However, I am not one to be so tolerant of intolerance (sorry...not trying to
revive a thread) so if there is anything we can do...sign a petition, write a
congressmen, etc....please let me know.
--Dexippus
to quote a saying in the Gay/Les/Bi/Trans community..."Silence Equals Death"
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Re: OT RE: Pagans -- Fwd: [WebGoddess] Dangerous website again... |
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| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:42:07 EDT |
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In a message dated 99-04-19 17:21:41 EDT, you write:
> However, I am not one to be so tolerant of intolerance (sorry...not trying
> to
> revive a thread) so if there is anything we can do...sign a petition,
write
> a
> congressmen, etc....please let me know.
>
> --Dexippus
>
> to quote a saying in the Gay/Les/Bi/Trans community..."Silence Equals
Death"
go to this site hon. It's brand new!! email any addys like that one and it
will be put on the site.
Crys
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Re: OT RE: Pagans -- Fwd: [WebGoddess] Dangerous website again... |
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Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:47:46 EDT |
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In a message dated 99-04-19 17:44:30 EDT, you write:
>
> go to this site hon. It's brand new!! email any addys like that one and
it
>
> will be put on the site.
>
> Crys
I know, I know
<a href="http://users.drak.net/pagans-on-watch/pow.htm" target="_top" >http://users.drak.net/pagans-on-watch/pow.htm</a>
It's been a LONG day
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| Subject: |
Re: OT RE: Pagans -- Fwd: [WebGoddess] Dangerous website against Pagans |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:35:30 PDT |
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>Salvete,
>
>Anybody ever hear of these people before or is this a new bunch of
nuts?
>
>Crys
><< message3.txt >>
Yeah I've heard of them, in fact, they made it to my religious
intolerance page.
Cypria
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MMDCCLII AB URBE CONDITA |
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Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:57:32 -0700 |
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Salvete, Quirites!
Since I shall be away when Roma's birthday comes Wednesday I thought I would extend my
wishes now to Roma Omnia, Roma Antica and Nova Roma. Nova Roma's second observance of the
founding of the Eternal City.
Dei Romae quod bonum faustum, felix, fortunatum salutareque sit nationi Novae Romae.
Ita vultis, Ita est.
Ave, Roma!
Ave, Roma Immortalis!
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius
Propraetor ad Californiam Provinciam
Pontiff
Paterfamilias genti Aeliae
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