Subject:	Gallia Narbonensis
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:40:13 -0700

Salve I have found this paper on a former province of Rome. I thought I
would share it with you! Here it is:
<a href="http://sunburst.usd.edu/~clehmann/pir/gallia.htm" target="_top" >http://sunburst.usd.edu/~clehmann/pir/gallia.htm</a>

Vale

L.Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus

Subject:	The Eagle
From:	danat@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:44:45 +0930

Salve,

As a new citizen from Australia I was just wondering if it is possible for a non-American or European citizen to subscribe to the Eagle. I have seen the website and it doesn't say anything about it.

Vale,

Marcus Arcadius Pius

Subject:	Catapults
From:	PIUSFELIX@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:57:03 EDT

Salve,

My son's Latin Class very shortly will be working on designing and
constructing a small scale ballista (catapult). I have pictures but have any
of you, especially Legionaries, ever built one and would like to share hints
and pointers. Any help would be much appreciated. Bene facis.

Vale,
C. Fuscus Vespasianus

Subject:	Sodalis Pro Infantia OPEN
From:	MaNPaRoman@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:08:04 EDT

Salvete all,

I am officially opening up membership to the Sodalis Pro Infantia (Society for
Childhood) to the public. Membership is free and you do not have to be a
member of Nova Roma to join. You need only go to the Sodalis webpage
(<a href="http://users.drak.net/familia/sodalis.htm" target="_top" >http://users.drak.net/familia/sodalis.htm</a>) and click on my name in the
paragraph that talks about membership (after the introduction but before the
contents).

The Sodalis Pro Infantia is dedicated to the history of the children of
ancient Rome.
Members can submit articles, research, materials and suggestions to the
website (and be given your due credit). I’m thinking about scaring up a
membership card. Other than that you will be invited to join the Sodalis Pro
Infantia Deja Community, and have the right to say you belong to the Sodalis
Pro Infantia, whose webpage is good enough to have won 5 awards (and,
hopefully, counting <G>). You can also say that you help in the content and
design of the webpage.

Membership is free. What kinda putz do I look like charging membership to a
children’s organization? I just couldn’t bring myself to do it. There are
no dues or fees (same reasons). You get to have fun and bragging rights.
What’s the catch? None really. You have to be a member of the Deja
community and have your name (Roman name or Legal name) published on the
Sodalis Pro Infantia website and that’s about all I feel I can demand of the
men and women who are helping me to make this one-of-a-kind website continue
to shine. Come!! Share the glory with me!

DISCLAIMER: This Sodalias is (at the moment anyway) run outside and
independently of Nova Roma. This Sodalis has not yet been approved by the
Senate or Councils of Nova Roma. Hopefully this will not keep anyone from
joining this unique Society.

Valete,

Amethystia Iunia Crystallina
Founder and Webmistress of the Sodalis Pro Infantia (the Society for
Childhood) and Mater to the first born Nova Roman (I just like adding that
part, I’m so proud of my dear Marcus Iunius Posterius <G>)

Subject:	Re: Sodalis Pro Infantia OPEN
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:50:39 -0400

>Salvete all,
>
>I am officially opening up membership to the Sodalis Pro Infantia (Society
for
>Childhood) to the public.
>
>The Sodalis Pro Infantia is dedicated to the history of the children of
>ancient Rome.
>
>Membership is free. What kinda putz do I look like charging membership to
a
>children’s organization?
>
>DISCLAIMER: This Sodalias is (at the moment anyway) run outside and
>independently of Nova Roma. This Sodalis has not yet been approved by the
>Senate or Councils of Nova Roma. Hopefully this will not keep anyone from
>joining this unique Society.>>Valete,Amethystia Iunia Crystallina
>Founder and Webmistress of the Sodalis Pro Infantia

Salvete, Quirites

Since this was posted on an 'official' Nova Roma 'Forum' and does
mention the 'Senate or Councils of Nova Roma." (sic), I feel I should
respond.
This Sodalitas Pro Infantia has been proposed to the Senate, but there is a
problem with how the Sodalitas is organized. Presently the 'founder's'
proposal is that she is sole owner and has the final and only say on who is
a member, what is published, and sole arbitrator of any 'disputes'. This
just does not fit well within the definition of a club. I have forwarded the
'charter' used by the 'Sodalitas Pro Coqueror et Coquus' but the Senate has
not received a response.
Now, as a 'stay at home parent' (I'm retired from the Navy and stay
with my now 5 yr. old daughter and soon to be 3 yr. old son ), I have read
and recommend the "Sodalis webpage
(<a href="http://users.drak.net/familia/sodalis.htm" target="_top" >http://users.drak.net/familia/sodalis.htm</a>)".
I look forward to seeing a proposed charter to the Senate that is more
inline with what a Sodalitas (companionship, fellowship; society, club,
association) is.

Valete, Consul Lucius Equitius

Subject:	Re: Sodalis Pro Infantia OPEN
From:	MaNPaRoman@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:01:28 EDT

In a message dated 99-04-30 11:50:03 EDT, you write:

> This Sodalitas Pro Infantia has been proposed to the Senate, but there is a
> problem with how the Sodalitas is organized. Presently the 'founder's'
> proposal is that she is sole owner and has the final and only say on who is
> a member, what is published, and sole arbitrator of any 'disputes'. This
> just does not fit well within the definition of a club. I have forwarded
the
> 'charter' used by the 'Sodalitas Pro Coqueror et Coquus' but the Senate has
> not received a response.

I sent it to Cassius over a week ago to forward for me as I keep loosing the
addresses (oops).

And your damn skippy I'm the sole owner. Final say -- nope. I am not about
to run this Sodalis like a government, reporting to the Senate of Nova Roma
on a regular basis. No way, no how!!

This is what I sent Cassius -- in full. This way I KNOW everybody who needed
to get it got it and then some. Hopefully now some action can be taken one
way or the other. I am no longer worried about whether the site is approved
or not, but if it isn't going to be, I'd like the page removed from the Nova
Roma site.

Thanks -- Crys

<><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Salve,

I was given a copy of Venator's charter as a model for my own. I have
adjusted it to fit. There is no mention of involvement by any government
save the Sodalis Pro Infantia 'government'. I do not think that a childrens
society should have any. I have thought long and hard and have talked to my
fiance and we agreed that governmental involvement is unacceptable. If it is
a requirement, I would have to run the Sodalis Pro Infantia independantly of
Nova Roma which (I think) would be a shame. There are already members who
have been warned that it is possible that the Sodalis Pro Infantia may not be
approved and would then be run outside Nova Roma and none of them have a
problem with that. Hopefully Nova Roma will see the benifits of being
associated with the Sodalis Pro Infantia and approve the charter as it is
written. This is my third and last attempt.

My dream for my Sodalis is that it be accessable to any who seek knowledge,
whether they be a citizen of Nova Roma or not. I believe I would be
negligent to limit membership only to Nova Roma citizens.

If you would please forward this to the Councils (again, I keep losing all
those addresses) I would be grateful.

Thank you again and Vale,

Crystallina

<><><><><><><><><><>


PROPOSAL IN FAVOR OF THE FORMATION OF A SOCIETY FOR CHILDREN
WITHIN THE NATION OF NOVA ROMA TO BE KNOWN AS SODALIS PRO
INFANTIA

THIS MISSIVE BEING FROM THE HAND OF AMETHYSTIA IUNIA
CRYSTALLINA - CIVIS (also known as Crystal A. Brewton)

MAGNA CARTA EX SODALIS PRO INFANTIA


I. STATEMENT OF PURPOSE

The Sodalis Pro Infantia (SPI hereafter) shall be devoted to the research
into the history
of the Children of Roma Antiqua, those of Nova Roma and the Host Cultures of
Nova
Roma's Cives. The main emphasis of all efforts will be Roma Antiqua, with an
eye to
education of children. The SPI shall provide a forum for improved
communication and
exchange of information between itself and the general population. The SPI
shall strive
to help the members to improve in their skills of research, preparation and
presentation,
thereby helping all to increase their enjoyment of children and/or the
History of ancient
Roman children.


II. ON THE BEING OF OFFICERS

A: The head of the SPI shall be styled as Magna Mater and shall be
responsible for the
encouragement of activities which promote the stated purposes of the SPI.
She shall be
accountable to the members of the SPI, providing them with an annual report.
She shall
be solely responsible for scheduling the Official Activities of the SPI and
for appointing a
member to oversee said activities. The Magna Mater is responsible for
governing the
duties of the other officers. The Magna Mater shall be responsible for
completing the
duties of all offices not filled.

B: The secretary of the SPI shall be styled as Scriptor and shall be
responsible for
keeping an History of the SPI, a Directory of SPI Membership and a Record
(including
minutes of meetings) of Activities (Annals hereafter).

C: The treasurer of the SPI shall be nonexistent, as there will be no
membership fees nor
anything sold by the SPI. The SPI will be financed by the Magna Mater.

D: The Magna Mater and Scriptor shall constitute the council or Concilium of
the SPI.
As such, they will be charged with administering the SPI to the benefit of
all.

E: SPI Scriptor shall be selected by a simple majority vote of the members.
Election
shall be held in August. The term of office is one year, starting one month
after election.
An officer may succeed himself no more than twice. An officer may not run
for an office
the term of which overlaps a currently held office. Officers need not be
Citizens of Nova
Roma.


III. PROVISIONS FOR CHANGING THIS CHARTER

A: Any proposed amendment shall be published on the SPI web page not later
than one
month prior to the official meeting at which the motion is to be considered.

B: The proposal shall be discussed at said official activity by the members
present and a
vote shall be taken. If the proposal gains a two-thirds majority approval of
those present
and voting in writting, it shall be published in the same manner as the
original proposal,
and shall take effect one month thereafter.


BYLAWS FOR THE SODALIS PRO INFANTIA


I. ON MEMBERSHIP, OFFICIAL ACTIVITIES AND RULES OF PROXY

A: Any person may become amember of the SPI by submitting such request
electronic
mail to the Magna Mater. Said person will be entered into the Directory upon
confirmation by the Magna Mater. This membership request should include both
Roman
and Host Community identities and valid contact information: e-mail, regular
mail or
both. A telephone number is optional. Indicate information to be included
in the
published Directory upon application and any interests/skills dealing with
the purposes of
the SPI. The individual member is responsible for any contact information
updates.

B: Membership may be revoked by a unanimous decision of the members of the
SPI or
by request of a SPI member. Said course of action may be undertaken
following a long
period of inactivity or for the good of the SPI.

C: All SPI business, especially amendments and elections (for which
identifying codes
will be issued by the Magna Mater), must be conducted at an Official
Activity, which
may be an on-line chat. A minimum of two such activities will be held each
year, in
August and February (the first election shall be held in August 2753 AUC,
being 1999
CE). A meeting agenda will be published not later than 1 month ahead of time
for
election and 2 weeks for all other activities. Members are encouraged to
attend them
when possible.

D: Unofficial SPI activities are encouraged to take place frequently.
Members are
encouraged to send reports for publication on the SPI web page.

E: A member's right to vote at a meeting is not transferrable. Any member
unable to
attend a meeting may submit an opinion and vote in writting. Any votes
posted (regular
or electronically) less than 7 days before a meeting, and received after the
meeting, will
be void.

F: All members are hereby encouraged to share their knowledge and enthusiasm
by
teaching, writting for the SPI web page and developing ideas for SPI
activities.


II. ON THE DUTIES OF OFFICERS

A: Officers may appoint deputies as necessary. All officers and deputies
should attend
all Official Activities, as practicable.

B: Nominations for officer positions should be submitted to the Scriptor 6
weeks in
advance of the election meeting. The Magna Mater will validate the nominee's
status and
acceptance of said nomination. Those nominee's names will be published as
previously
stated. A member may nominate himself. Write-in candidacies are allowed.

C: When the Magna Mater and one other officer are of the opinion that
another officer
should be removed for misconduct and have exhausted all reasonable means to
resolve
the issue, they must appeal to the SPI Members. A replacement will be
appointed and the
office will be filled in due course of the next election cycle.


IV. PROVISIONS FOR AMENDMENT OF THESE BYLAWS

A: Any proposed amendment shall be published on the SPI web page not later
than one
month prior to the official meeting at which the motion is to be considered.

B: The proposal shall be discussed at said official activity by the members
present and a
vote shall be taken. If the proposal gains a two-thirds majority approval of
those present
and voting in writting, it shall be confirmed. The change shall be published
in the same
manner as the original proposal, and shall take effect one month thereafter.

Subject:	Re: Catapults
From:	Megas-Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:16:50 -0500

Ave Vespasianus;

A worthy project. A few questions: What design are they using? What is the
power source, twisted ropes? Even a few strands used as a torsion spring
can shatter lumber. Also, you might want to look for the -Online Catapult
Museum- (which address I lost when my hard drive crashed). For the couple
of siege engines I've helped build (medieval trebuchets) we used bundled
rattan poles for the arm instead of solid timber. The ratten is strong for
its weight and has the flexibility to take the shock of the sudden stop.

That all I can think of on the fly, I'll look and see if I can find my
notes. Perhaps an article for the Eagle? ((( Subscribe to the Eagle, the
OFFICIAL newsletter of Nova Roma!!! )))

In Amicus - Venator

<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=060161152137081124095066079248147208071048" >PIUSFELIX@--------</--------; wrote:
>
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=060161152137081124095066079248147208071048" >PIUSFELIX@--------</--------;
>
> Salve,
>
> My son's Latin Class very shortly will be working on designing and
> constructing a small scale ballista (catapult). I have pictures but have any
> of you, especially Legionaries, ever built one and would like to share hints
> and pointers. Any help would be much appreciated. Bene facis.
>
> Vale,
> C. Fuscus Vespasianus
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Get re-acquainted through a ONElist community.

Subject:	The Littleton Massacre
From:	Thomas Gangale TGangale@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:57:29 -0700

Salvete, omnes.

Just a reminder. I am collecting messages to send to Jayson. If you have
anything to say to him, please send it to me.

> To everyone that reads this:
>
> My name is Jayson Martin from Littleton, Colorado, I would like for
> anyone who reads this to please write their name down. I would like
> to send prayers out to my friends who were in Columbine H.S. I would
> like everyone to please say a prayer for the safety of everyone who was
> involved in this terrible tragedy. it is something that has hurt me
> today as well as my friends, I'm grateful for my safety and their
> safety. Please Forward this to as many people as you can, let us all
> come together and pray that this tragedy ends soon. Thank you.

Valete,
Marcus Martianus Gangalius
Aedilis Curule

Subject:	Re: Catapults
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:26:23 EDT

In a message dated 4/30/99 4:57:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=060161152137081124095066079248147208071048" >PIUSFELIX@--------</--------; writes:

<< My son's Latin Class very shortly will be working on designing and
constructing a small scale ballista (catapult). I have pictures but have
any
of you, especially Legionaries, ever built one and would like to share hints
and pointers. Any help would be much appreciated. Bene facis.

Vale,
C. Fuscus Vespasianus >>

Salve C. Fuscus.


Several questions come to mind. First what is the scale of the model?
Second is it Roman or Greek? I ask this because a catapult and ballista are
both Greek words.
The Romans adopted the word Catapulta to mean any arrow or stone throwing
machine.
If you are doing an actual model of an arrow shooter I suggest you proceed
with caution. Torque from twisted hemp is amazing, even a small 1-6 scale
model's arm can shatter a jaw! I've seen this.
We (my SCA club) once made a working model of a 1 cubit arrow shooter
depicted on Trajan's column that was 1/25th scale. We used twisted 1/2"
Rubber bands for the tension ropes and small dowels with stabilizing
"flights" (fins) for the projectile. It could shoot over 20 feet which in
the scale was over 200 yards.

In the SCA I used my Byzantine persona's knowledge to make an Onager.
However the machine started to break up after 5 shots.
After that I reverted to a Trebuchet.
I have plans of several machines, both Greek and Roman/Byzantine if you are
interested.

Vale
Q. Fabius

Subject:	Re: Sodalis Pro Infantia OPEN
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:27:51 -0400

Salvete et Salve

>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=174166082206158174112154175101114253071048139" >M--------Rom--------...</--------;
>
>In a message dated 99-04-30 11:50:03 EDT, you write:
>
>> This Sodalitas Pro Infantia has been proposed to the Senate, but there is
a
>> problem with how the Sodalitas is organized. <SNIP>but the Senate has
>> not received a response.
>
>I sent it to Cassius over a week ago to forward for me as I keep loosing
the
>addresses (oops).

Lucius Equitius: Like I said "the Senate has not received a response."
>
>And your damn skippy I'm the sole owner. Final say -- nope. I am not
about
>to run this Sodalis like a government, reporting to the Senate of Nova Roma
>on a regular basis. No way, no how!!

Lucius Equitius: I don't care to waste time arguing over this. The LAST
proposal I saw had you as sole owner. As for "reporting to the Senate of
Nova Roma on a regular basis", I don't know where you got that idea from,
but I don't see why supplying information to the Senate if asked should be
a problem (so far we have not asked anything of the other Sodalitates).
>
>This is what I sent Cassius -- in full. This way I KNOW everybody who
needed
>to get it got it and then some. Hopefully now some action can be taken one
>way or the other. I am no longer worried about whether the site is
approved
>or not, but if it isn't going to be, I'd like the page removed from the
Nova
>Roma site.
>Thanks -- Crys


Lucius Equitius: Well, we never did get it. Cassius is obviously a very busy
man.
I myself took the time to write Quaestor P Ullerius and asked him to send me
his charter as a help to you. If I had something against you or your
proposal I would not have bothered, yes? As too assuming that all the Senate
has it even now, you still can be mistaken, there is no obligation for any
citizens to subscribe to the <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> This is a case of
miscommunication and you should not take a negative attitude. Perhaps, you
should try this address when you wish to contact the Senate
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=061056234237175198015158190036129" >se--------@--------</a> Although, I am --------eve--------re that all the Se--------res get
emails through this. We have run tests but even now not all Senatores have
responded as far as I know. You can also go to the "Roll of Senate
Membership" page and find all the addresses there.
Now if you are making this latest proposal I will be happy to sponsor
it to the Senate myself once the question of how the "Magna Mater" is
selected is addressed, let us communicate more effectively.

Valete, Consul Lucius Equitius

Subject:	Latin Pronunciation [magnus]
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:31:17 -0700

At the suggestion of M. Gladius Saevus (we shared some lamentation on the subject) I am
offering this piece on Pronunciation of Latin. It is largely drawn from a Collins Gem
dictionary, but the same guidelines may be found in most Latin dictionaries and lesson
books, but not in all.

What follows is the generally accepted guidelines to the sounds of Latin as spoken by
educated Romans during the two centuries from Cicero to Quintillian.


Vowels

Vowels are pure and should not be diphthongized (two letters together made into one sound
or one letter pronounced as two letters as in Appalachian "pay-en" for "pen"), each vowel
is given its full value.. Vowels may be long or short. Long vowels are often shown in
modern print with a line above the letter. The pronunciation guides I have all use
Anglo-English examples. I shall endeavor to give more generic examples. (I'm sure the
non-English speakers of Nova Roma are way ahead of us in this field whether their native
tongue is of Latin derivation or not.)

Short "a" : the "a" in cat.
Long "a" : the "a" in father. ( "ah" )
Short "e" : the "e" in pet.
Long "e" : as the "a" in fate and pay. ( "eh" )
Short "i" : the "i" in pin and dig.
Long "o" : the "ee" in sweet and keen. ( "eee" )
Short "o" : there are examples in Anglo-English, but I can't think of a consistent one
in American-English. Assistance is welcome.
Long "o" : the "o" in both and robe ( "oh" )
Short "u" : the "u" in full
Long "u" : the "oo" in pool and fool ( "ooo" )
"y" was a Greek sound that my dictionary says was pronounced as "u" in French.


Diphthongs

"ae" is pronounced as "y" in try and sky
"au" is pronounced as "ow" in town and how
"ei" is pronounced as "eh-eee" in payee
"eu" is pronounced as "eh-oo" with the accent on the first sound.
"oe" is pronounced as "oy" in toy and boy
"ui" is pronounced as "oui" in Louis and the "ooey" in gooey.


Consonants

"b" is the same as the Englishes
"bs" is pronounced as the "ps" in "apse", the same sound as in "apes"
"bt" as the "pt" in "apt" and "rapt"
"c" as in "car" and "cap"
"ch" as in "sepulchre" and "chorus". That is a softer /k/ sound than in "car"
"d" as in English
"f" as in English
"g" as the "g" in "go" and "gallop"
"h" as the "h" in "hand", but lightly
"i" the consonant is pronounced as "y" in "yes" (Iulius Caesar = yu-lee-uus k-eye-sahr)
"k" is pronounced as in English
"l" as the "l" in "let" and "looney"
"m" as in "man"; but the final "m" was hardly sounded
"n" as in English
"ng" as in "finger"and "ding-dong"
"p" as the "p" in "apt"
"ph" as the "p" in "pill", an aspirated "p"
"qu" as the "qu" in "quill" and "quick"
"r" is pronounced with a trill, as in Scottish "brae" and Spanish "arriba", etc.
"s" as the "s" in "sister" and "sorry", never as the "z"sound in "rose"
"t" as in "stop" and "top"
"th" as the "t" in "take", another soft, aspirated sound
"v" "u" are pronounced as a "w" as in "win"
("Nova Roma" may be pronounced with a /v/ sound. ;-)
"z" as in "zero"

Doubled consonants prolong the sound of the consonant.


Accenting the Words

The Latin of the Classic is said to have had a weak stress, perhaps with an touch of pitch
in it. It falls in the same place as in English (I'm assuming both main versions stress
in the same place [Silly me!] ). The Collins Latin-English, English-Latin Dictionary
describes that as, "on the second last syllable of the word, if that syllable is long, and
on the third last syllable if the second last is short." Collins is also the one that
said it was the same as in English. If the sounds are right, and consistent, we shall
probably be able to work around where to place the accent stress. Of the handful of Nova
Romans I have spoken with, each one has had a different pronunciation. None of them have
had a pronunciation like any of my Latin instructors (which is to say like me!).

Even if we do not end up with enough Latin to converse with each other, it would be nice
to have the same pronunciation for the Latin we do have. Of course I realize we don't
pronounce the English we have in the same way.

Subject:	Re: Senates' power over clubs was Sodalis Pro Infantia OPEN
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:08:20 EDT

In a m--------g--------t--------/30/99 8:50:05 AM Pacific Daylight Tim--------lt;a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>
writes:

<< This Sodalitas Pro Infantia has been proposed to the Senate, but there is a
problem with how the Sodalitas is organized. Presently the 'founder's'
proposal is that she is sole owner and has the final and only say on who is
a member, what is published, and sole arbitrator of any 'disputes'. This
just does not fit well within the definition of a club. I have forwarded the
'charter' used by the 'Sodalitas Pro Coqueror et Coquus' but the Senate has
not received a response.... I look forward to seeing a proposed charter to
the Senate that is more inline with what a Sodalitas (companionship,
fellowship; society, club,
association) is.

Valete, Consul Lucius Equitius>>

Salve Honored Father!
Perhaps I'm unclear on the concept here. I have visited Amethyst Iunia
Crystalina's site and found nothing but good information on it. In fact I'm
working on a paper myself to contribute to the site. Now is true what A.
Iunia alludes to? That the Senate will not approve it unless they control
it? Are there any guidelines for how a Sodalitas is organized on the NR
website? I have seen none posted.
The next question is reguarding your comment "This just does not fit
well within the definition of a club." It does if its a normal club. What
makes an NR club different? While I understand the Senate has to check
content of NR clubs since it reflects on NR's good name, which the Senate
protects, are you seriously suggesting that all NR clubs must be overseen by
the Senate, so that any changes made to the club's site must be approved by
the Senate? If this is the case, I certainly think that this will stifle
creativity. Not to mention occupy the August Senates' time which already
appears overworked.
Remember, we are all here because of our love of things Roman. The
Sodalis Pro Infantia is one of the best examples of what NR is about.
I urge you Lucius Equitius, to summon the other Consul and Senate to adopt
the award winning Sodalis Pro Infantia, so we can lay this issue to rest. It
should be a proud part of Nova Roma. It should not be under fire.
Vale
Q Fabius

Subject:	Peter Connolly postcards
From:	legion6@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:51:37 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete omnes!

Way-cool fundraising opportunity in the offing, I think... Peter
Connolly is an author/artist/archaeologist who has excavated and
written extensively on Roman military equipment and the Roman army in
general. All his books are profusely-illustrated with his (excellent
and spirited!) paintings depicting life in the Legions; the Tiberius
Claudius Maximus series mentioned below is for kids and is about the
daily life and adventures of a Roman Legionary and his pals.

Seems there are (and have been for a while) postcards of Connolly's
artwork... Is this something Nova Roma could pick up a bunch of for
resale to Citizens? Any Cives interested in this sort of thing?
(Needless to say, I'd buy some!!!) >({|:-D

-- L Marius Fimbria

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Subject: Peter Connolly postcards

Flying a bit of a kite here, but Peter Connolly still has loads of
postcards left over (many based on the Tib. Claudius Maximus books,
but also some from the forthcoming Caesar book). There may even be
some posters lurking around, I'm not sure.

What I would like to know is whether reenactment groups would be
interested in buying these *in bulk* for resale to Joe Public? If
there is any interest whatsoever, with whatever provisos, I will
investigate the project further; otherwise, we'll let it die quietly.

Ideally, I would like to see Peter's various odds'n'ends for sale via
a website, perhaps even down to the level of single sets of cards for
individuals (if the postage costs aren't too prohibitive), the whole
thing being illustrated by thumbnails of his work.

This all depends on there being a core interest in purchasing bulk
sets, however. Peter is being mercilessly ripped-off on the web
(remember, he has to make a living out of his pictures) so I think it
only fair that we turn it into an ally for him.

What do folks reckon?

Mike Bishop

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Subject:	Re: Peter Connolly postcards
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:00:53 EDT

In a message dated 4/30/99 11:51:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> write--------r>
<< Seems there are (and have been for a while) postcards of Connolly's
artwork... Is this something Nova Roma could pick up a bunch of for
resale to Citizens? Any Cives interested in this sort of thing?
(Needless to say, I'd buy some!!!) >({|:-D
>>
Salvete
I was just going to post this to the list. L. Marius is correct. I think NR
should grab these for resale. Bishop says that they have posters as well.
Connolly's work is amazing. If people would like examples, I have several
paintings scanned. Request them at my personal address.
Valete
Q. Fabius

Subject:	Re: Peter Connolly postcards
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:30:06 -0400

Salvete omnes!
>
>Way-cool fundraising opportunity in the offing, I think... Peter
>Connolly is an author/artist/archaeologist who has excavated and
>written extensively on Roman military equipment and the Roman army in
>general. All his books are profusely-illustrated with his (excellent
>and spirited!) paintings depicting life in the Legions; the Tiberius
>Claudius Maximus series mentioned below is for kids and is about the
>daily life and adventures of a Roman Legionary and his pals.
>
>Seems there are (and have been for a while) postcards of Connolly's
>artwork... Is this something Nova Roma could pick up a bunch of for
>resale to Citizens? Any Cives interested in this sort of thing?
>(Needless to say, I'd buy some!!!) >({|:-D
>
> -- L Marius Fimbria


Yes, Peter Connolly's works are great! I'm getting in line for mine now! I
already own every book of his I can get my hands on.
How about it Censores, send him an invitation to join the Macellum, As Soon
As Possible?!
Plus, I would vote to use treasury funds to buy them for resale via the
Macellum or at events like Roman Days.


Valete, Consul et Senator Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
<a href="http://www.novaroma.org/" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/</a>
>
>Flying a bit of a kite here, but Peter Connolly still has loads of
>postcards left over (many based on the Tib. Claudius Maximus books,
>but also some from the forthcoming Caesar book). There may even be
>some posters lurking around, I'm not sure.
>
>What I would like to know is whether reenactment groups would be
>interested in buying these *in bulk* for resale to Joe Public? If
>there is any interest whatsoever, with whatever provisos, I will
>investigate the project further; otherwise, we'll let it die quietly.
>
>Ideally, I would like to see Peter's various odds'n'ends for sale via
>a website, perhaps even down to the level of single sets of cards for
>individuals (if the postage costs aren't too prohibitive), the whole
>thing being illustrated by thumbnails of his work.
>
>This all depends on there being a core interest in purchasing bulk
>sets, however. Peter is being mercilessly ripped-off on the web
>(remember, he has to make a living out of his pictures) so I think it
>only fair that we turn it into an ally for him.
>
>What do folks reckon?
>
>Mike Bishop
>
>--
>o:o:o M.C. BISHOP >>Writer, Publisher, & Archaeologist<<
>o:::o <<>> <a href="http://pobox.com/~mcbishop/" target="_top" >http://pobox.com/~mcbishop/</a>
>o:::o Braemar, Kirkgate, Chirnside, DUNS, Berwickshire, TD11 3XL, UK
>o:o:o Visit ARMAMENTARIVM: <a href="http://www.ncl.ac.uk/~nantiq/arma/" target="_top" >http://www.ncl.ac.uk/~nantiq/arma/</a>
>
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Subject:	Re: Quo modo Nova Roma munienda was Re: the Races (Was Flora) (longish)
From:	"Jason Kopeny" jkopeny@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:55:49 +0200

>It seems to me that a good question to ask would be, where would we find
the
>most like-minded people? I would say that college students would be a
>particularly fertile population for growing Nova Roma. If that is true,
>then campus newspapers, and other newspapers distributed on campuses, would
>be logical choices in which to advertise us.
>
>Consider that these newspapers have reasonable circulation, and their
>readers are by and large members of a common group, students attending
>particular colleges. To me, that makes these newspapers highly desirable
as
>advertising media.
>
>Unfortunately, I have no experience or knowledge of how campus newspapers
>work; I never wrote for one, worked for one, or advertised in one, and so
I
>don't know how advertising in them works. I suspect, based on my past
>experience working at a university, that, at least in many cases, these
>papers cannot advertise to anyone off the street; some kind of
>faculty/staff board surely has to approve every article and every ad that
>goes into the paper.


Most campus newspapers are actually very open minded to different
groups, and Nova Roma's money is as green as Papa John's or Domino's. Most
college papers also are not ruled by a board as that would be against the
Constitution of the U.S. (the lack of free press would alarm a lot of
people). I went to Univ. of Illinois Urbana-Champaign and also spent a
semester at the Univ. of Iowa in Iowa City. Either of those places I'm sure
would be willing to place an ad for Nova Roma as long as we paid the
advertising fees. Papers love money, and if it causes controversy AND gives
them money, they are all the happier.


Jason

Subject:	Budget
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:49:50 -0400 (EDT)

In regard to Straw Man Budget #3, it has been sent to the Financial
Committee and Consuls for review and or corrections. No funding was
allotted per se for advertising as this is still a straw-man effort. I
happen to agree with your analysis, but many others do not see the need
to have a steady income in order to plan not only advertising, but
investment, and better international recogniion.

There seems to be a split nearly half and half about funding and that
will not be settled until one of the two halves yield to the other.
Meanwhile we are waiting to see if the business from Macellum and
donations with support the financial needs of NR, so as not to disturb
too deeply those NR constituents who feel strongly about regstration
fees, dues, taxes, etc. As one of the most vehement opposers of the
"hated tax" effort, these supporters have said, "...just because every
other organization requires registration fees and annual dues is no
reason that we should...." I disagree with this idea enough to propose
a "tax" but not enough to break up the organization. Since it
apparently takes some significant time to reach a decision in the
Senate, and we are considering currently at least two ideas for a
governing body other than the Senate, it seems that we must wait and
see. I would prefer to move in more than one way ata time, and my
experience has shown me the necessity of that path. However with an
opposition such as we face, I do not see an advance any time soon.
Further I do not understand the opposing view, and so I find it very
difficult to even approach, much less take action with.

Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Nova Roma Flyers
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:56:23 -0400 (EDT)

There is an excellent NR flier available from Cassius, that is very well
done, and has been and can be used for advertising for NR. There are
two fliers that I have put together that were passed out at the San
Francisco Event and I believe a couple of others also designed and
distributed fliers for NR.

Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Quo modo Nova Roma munienda was Re: the Races
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:44:06 -0400

Salvete



:From: "Jason Kopeny" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=045202253115056116187218141036129208" >jkopeny@--------</a>
:
:

: Most campus newspapers are actually very open minded to different
:groups, and Nova Roma's money is as green as Papa John's or Domino's. Most
:college papers also are not ruled by a board as that would be against the
:Constitution of the U.S. (the lack of free press would alarm a lot of
:people).

You probably know more about it than I do. I seem to recall issues of BU's
Daily Free Press and UMASS's Mass Media being stopped and pulled from
circulation because of objections of these oversight boards, editors being
fired etc. I'm not sure that freedom of the press extends to these campus
publications, which are organs of the institutions that print them, i.e
Boston University and University of Massachusetts Boston; I recall that
both papers were distributed free of charge, unlike 'real' newspapers like
the NY Times. But hopefully what you have said is true.

I went to Univ. of Illinois Urbana-Champaign and also spent a
:semester at the Univ. of Iowa in Iowa City. Either of those places I'm sure
:would be willing to place an ad for Nova Roma as long as we paid the
:advertising fees

Cool! Do you know how we should go about submitting an ad? How about
contact information for their campus papers?

Papers love money, and if it causes controversy AND gives
:them money, they are all the happier.

I have no doubt that staff of at least some college papers will want to
print NR ads, and of course money tends to go over big wherever it presents
itself. If you have a good feeling about Univ. of Illinois
Urbana-Champaign and Univ. of Iowa in Iowa City, maybe we can start there.

Does anyone see any problem with contacting the campus papers at these two
institutions to find out the cost and procedure to place ads?
:
:
:Jason
:
Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus