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Re: Nova Roma Flyers |
| From: |
"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 1 May 1999 01:04:25 -0400 |
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Salvete Marce Minuci et alii
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (MMA)
MMA-There is an excellent NR flier available from Cassius, that is very well
done, and has been and can be used for advertising for NR.
GMM-Should we contact Iulianus to get copies?
MMA-There are
two fliers that I have put together that were passed out at the San
Francisco Event and I believe a couple of others also designed and
distributed fliers for NR.
GMM-Did the Senate or consuls ever approve any of those flyers? Luci
Equiti, any senators listening: do we need to get approval of a flyer
before making it into an ad to be printed somewhere, for instance in a
college newspaper?
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma Flyers |
| From: |
dean6886@--------) |
| Date: |
Sat, 1 May 1999 02:08:29 -0500 (CDT) |
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Actually, shouldn't the juristiction of all Nova Roma flyers and
advertisement go through our Censors? Why would the Senate or any other
governing body yet to be invented wish to be bogged down even further
with something like this. I think it would be ridiculous in many ways to
have to get the slightest format change to fit an individual
circumstance go through the lengthy process of Senate approval each and
every time. For a change, can't we make something this simple actually
simple? Let's have our two censors look over any materials and if there
is anything wrong with it have it banned or have them ask to have it
modified as this should be in their domain and they are more than fully
qualified to make judgement calls on this.
Wouldn't all of you more or less agree???
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
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| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma Flyers |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 01 May 1999 00:43:19 -0700 |
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In regards to the flyer for the Celebrate History. Q.Fabius Maximus and I
wrote it, we did not submit it to the Censors or Senate. We paid for it out
of our own funds. We do have copies of it, as a matter of fact I have the
copy of it that Q.Fabius scanned for me. If you would like it, please e-mail
me off the list and I would be more than happy to send it to you.
L.Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus
Dean Troy wrote:
> From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114056113185089095081021203102129208071" >dean6886@--------</a> (Dean Troy)
>
> Actually, shouldn't the juristiction of all Nova Roma flyers and
> advertisement go through our Censors? Why would the Senate or any other
> governing body yet to be invented wish to be bogged down even further
> with something like this. I think it would be ridiculous in many ways to
> have to get the slightest format change to fit an individual
> circumstance go through the lengthy process of Senate approval each and
> every time. For a change, can't we make something this simple actually
> simple? Let's have our two censors look over any materials and if there
> is anything wrong with it have it banned or have them ask to have it
> modified as this should be in their domain and they are more than fully
> qualified to make judgement calls on this.
>
> Wouldn't all of you more or less agree???
>
> Gaius Drusus Domitianus
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma Flyers |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 1 May 1999 03:50:59 EDT |
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In a message dated 5/1/99 12:08:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114056113185089095081021203102129208071" >dean6886@--------</a> --------es:
<< Why would the Senate or any other
governing body yet to be invented wish to be bogged down even further
with something like this. I think it would be ridiculous in many ways to
have to get the slightest format change to fit an individual
circumstance go through the lengthy process of Senate approval each and
every time. For a change, can't we make something this simple actually
simple? >>
Salve Gaius Drusus Domitianus.
No wiser words were ever spoken. The 6 hundred flyers I gave away at
Celebrate History were simple. Since the event pertained to the battle of
Cremonia, there was an invitation to join the NR family from the Praetor
Urbanus, a short history of the Roman Imperial army, and e-mail addresses and
NR websites. Artwork consisted of Vexilums Cohors standards and maps of the
city of Rome. I really liked the last piece of art. It showed legionaries
building a road in a desolate area. I titled it, "Rome bringing civilization
to the world." It sums up Rome very well.
Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
Re: Censors (was Nova Roma Flyers) |
| From: |
Mike Macnair MikeMacnair@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 1 May 1999 10:36:26 -0400 |
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G. Drusus Domitianus wrote:
>Actually, shouldn't the juristiction of all Nova Roma flyers and
>advertisement go through our Censors?
The Censors' job is to take the Census - of citizens, i.e. to maintain
citizen lists, approve gens names and set up the tribes and centurise for
the Comitia - and of persons eligible to be Senators; the latter task
entails the consideration of moral standing, and this in turn makes it
suitable for the Censors to do the enforcement of morals. Hence the modern
use of "censor" for someone who cuts stuff out of the press, the movies,
etc. But our Constitution does not make our Censors censors in the modern
sense. It does give them plenty else to do (and we're still waiting for the
Comitia!)
Publicity surely belongs in the responsibilities of either (a) the Consuls
(foreign affairs and external relations) or (b) the Aediles (maintenance of
the forum and marketplaces etc; public notices) or (c) a quaestor tasked
with this responsibility ...
M. Mucius Scaevola Magister
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| Subject: |
Fw: [novaroma] Re: Senates' power over clubs was Sodalis Pro Infantia OPEN |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 1 May 1999 12:47:56 -0400 |
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>Salvete et Ave, Q Fabi
>
>>Perhaps I'm unclear on the concept here. I have visited Amethyst Iunia
>>Crystalina's site and found nothing but good information on it. In fact
>I'm
>>working on a paper myself to contribute to the site.
>
>L Equitius; True, it is a very nice site. I have already said so and there
>are pictures of my kids posted on it.
>
>> Now is true what A.
>>Iunia alludes to? That the Senate will not approve it unless they control
>>it?
>
>L Equitius; No.
>
>> The next question is reguarding your comment "This just does not
fit
>>well within the definition of a club." It does if its a normal club.
What
>>makes an NR club different?
>
>Lucius Equitius: That the members have the right of citizens to select all
>leaders within the clubs, vote on rules, who and how membership is
>determined, etc.
>
>> While I understand the Senate has to check
>>content of NR clubs since it reflects on NR's good name, which the Senate
>>protects, are you seriously suggesting that all NR clubs must be overseen
>by
>>the Senate, so that any changes made to the club's site must be approved
by
>>the Senate?
>
> Nope, Like I said, I would be happy to sponsor the Sodalitas once the
>issue of how the "Magna Mater" is choosen is addressed. I'll remind you we
>have already approved two Sodalitates and there didn't seen to be half the
>debate over those as there is over this one. Nor is the Senate involved
with
>the internal workings of either of the others. However, the Senate does
have
>the power to set policy and in keeping with republican (Roman not modern)
>values citizens, members of clubs should have some say in how the club is
>run and who runs it (nothing would say they cannot vote Crys "magna mater"
>every time it comes up if they want) etc.
>
>Vale, Consul Lucius Equitius
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma Flyers |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 1 May 1999 12:48:02 -0400 |
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Salvete, Quirites
please excuse the consolidation of several posts into this one
message.
>From: "Gaius Marius Merullus" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>Salvete Marce Minuci et alii
>From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (MMA)
>
>MMA-There is an excellent NR flier available from Cassius, that is very
well
>done, and has been and can be used for advertising for NR.
>GMM-Should we contact Iulianus to get copies?
>
>MMA-There are
>two fliers that I have put together that were passed out at the San
>Francisco Event and I believe a couple of others also designed and
>distributed fliers for NR.
>
>GMM-Did the Senate or consuls ever approve any of those flyers? Luci
>Equiti, any senators listening: do we need to get approval of a flyer
>before making it into an ad to be printed somewhere, for instance in a
>college newspaper?
>
L Equitius; I don't see why it would be so difficult to send a copy to us to
have a look at before it is produced. I am no computer expert but I have
scanned and sent many pictures that are now on the Nova Roma website. I have
also scanned documents to send to my insurance co. etc. so I know this is
easily done.
From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
In regards to the flyer for the Celebrate History. Q.Fabius Maximus and I
wrote it, we did not submit it to the Censors or Senate. We paid for it out
of our own funds. We do have copies of it, as a matter of fact I have the
copy of it that Q.Fabius scanned for me. If you would like it, please
e-mail
me off the list and I would be more than happy to send it to you.
L.Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus
L Equitius: I suppose Sulla that you did not even bother to check with your
Praetor Californiae C Aelius Ericius either. Just because you 'paid' for it,
that does not
give you the authority to represent Nova Roma any way you please. Once again
you take action first then seek permission/approval after the fact. Perhaps
if you put as much effort into working with the Senate and other magistrates
as you do in subverting them, things would run smoother for all. So instead
of you sending it to us for guidance we must write to you asking 'may we see
it, please?'
From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
In a message dated 5/1/99 12:08:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114056113185089095081021203102129208071" >dean6886@--------</a> --------es:
<< Why would the Senate or any other
governing body yet to be invented wish to be bogged down even further
with something like this. I think it would be ridiculous in many ways to
have to get the slightest format change to fit an individual
circumstance go through the lengthy process of Senate approval each and
every time. For a change, can't we make something this simple actually
simple? >>
Lucius Equitius; Why would it be so difficult to send a doc. to the Senate
or Consules for approval? The Senate has approved two Sodalitates this year,
appointed a Curule Aedile, changed the names of provincies, changed
webservers and websites and have considered many other things as well.
Actually, there have been very few things not approved by the Senate. There
is still the matter of a tax proposal but the Senate has decided to wait
until there is a budget to see weather we we need a tax before we even
consider what to do if anything about a tax.
Salve Gaius Drusus Domitianus.
No wiser words were ever spoken. The 6 hundred flyers I gave away at
Celebrate History were simple. Since the event pertained to the battle of
Cremonia, there was an invitation to join the NR family from the Praetor
Urbanus, a short history of the Roman Imperial army, and e-mail addresses
and
NR websites. Artwork consisted of Vexilums Cohors standards and maps of the
city of Rome. I really liked the last piece of art. It showed legionaries
building a road in a desolate area. I titled it, "Rome bringing
civilization
to the world." It sums up Rome very well.
Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus
Lucius Equitius; Since there were 600 flyers given away would it be too much
trouble for us to see one? I'm sure it is very nice perhaps you would send
an attachment to the Magistrates and we could use it at Roman Days.
From: Mike Ma--------r <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a>
G. Drusus Domitianus wrote:
>Actually, shouldn't the juristiction of all Nova Roma flyers and
>advertisement go through our Censors?
The Censors' job is to take the Census - of citizens, i.e. to maintain
citizen lists, approve gens names and set up the tribes and centurise for
the Comitia - and of persons eligible to be Senators; the latter task
entails the consideration of moral standing, and this in turn makes it
suitable for the Censors to do the enforcement of morals. Hence the modern
use of "censor" for someone who cuts stuff out of the press, the movies,
etc. But our Constitution does not make our Censors censors in the modern
sense. It does give them plenty else to do (and we're still waiting for the
Comitia!)
Lucius Equitius; Except for the following...
"ART.III sec.5.Two Censors shall be elected every five years, but may only
be elected from among those individuals who had formerly held the office of
Consul. Each Censor shall have the following powers:
6.enforce any Senatus consultum regarding the maintenance of moral
standards."
....of which none have been voted upon nor are being contemplated.
Publicity surely belongs in the responsibilities of either (a) the Consuls
(foreign affairs and external relations) or (b) the Aediles (maintenance of
the forum and marketplaces etc; public notices) or (c) a quaestor tasked
with this responsibility ...
M. Mucius Scaevola Magister
Lucius Equitius: Thank you Praetor Urbanus M Mucius! This is a very good
interpretation of how Nova Roma should work in this instance. Let us try to
use the system we have in place otherwise we are degenerating into annarchy.
Valete, Consul Lucius Equitius
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| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma Flyers |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 01 May 1999 09:46:26 -0700 |
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Salvete, Quirites! C. Aelius Ericius, Propraetor of California Provincia greets you.
Two of the four flyers at the Celebrate History Convention in South San Francisco were my
handiwork. One was a rendering of the Declaratio Religio Romana, written by M. Cassius
Iulianus. I squeezed onto one sheet of paper, both sides, and added a graphic (cut and
paste the old fashioned way with scissors and rubber cement - then photocopy several
hundred times). The other piece of my work was a simple broadside type sheet. A this is
us, check-us-out type thing - 25 words or less. These were not approved by anybody but
me. I had run these flyers by a number of our magistrates. No one said, "No". Vedius
told me that Cassius was very fond of the Declaratio, but I did not change any words, I
just formatted it to fit the paper. That was about a year ago when I was doing a mailing
to bookstores. The broadside is from last November when I "went to college" and hit the
bulletin boards. I sent the broadside to some of our folk to see if there were any
objections. All I got back were suggestions for additional flyers. I decided that was as
good as a yes. I also decided that as long as I was honorable and faithful to Nova Roma,
and didn't throw in any freelancing, it was up to me. My flyers must have been fairly
staid since I do not know of their attracting any new members -- of course they did not
have a line that said, "Mention Ericius and get a I sestertia discount." I've attached
the Netscape copy of the broadside to this message, the final version has a Roman army
tent and signa on the top to dress the thing up..
Of these two flyers the Declaratio "sold out"! Part way through the second day of the
history convention I took the last two copies and taped them to the table for reference.
The broadsides also went well. The trifold flyer that Cassius made was no slaggard. The
main thing about the Declaratio going like hot cakes [love clichés! No?] was that I
expected the re-enactors present to pick up on the other flyers, not the religious one.
No complaints here.
What I would do with any new flyers that I make would be to follow the above pattern.
Send a copy to the Senior Magistrates, Consuls and Censors. If it is unacceptable you can
be sure you will hear about it. Sulla and Fabius sent me a draft copy of their flyer. My
response was in two parts (as I analyze it now), acceptability and editorial critique. On
the second I basically told them that their style was their business -- Go for it.
In these types of activities the person(s) doing the work Must have the freedom to do
their job. If everything has to be reviewed for approval nothing will get done. Last
year (August?) Dexippus made up some flyers to hand out at a Festa Italiana. There was no
review of that flyer, there was much praise for Dexippus using his initiative, and moxie.
The flyer Cassius made is a classy job. The Fabius-Sulla flyer is packed with
information. I like to think of mine as being straight forward, like a gladius. If you
do make u pa flyer and submit it for opinions, expect to get a lot of editorial opinion.
If there is something truly wrong with what it says, you Will hear about it. (and send me
a copy, I've been told my prurient interest is sadly underdeveloped)
Valete, Quirites! Remember Bona Dea and the Lares Praestites on this their day.
C. Aelius Ericius
Propraetor ad Californiam Provinciam
Pontiff.
Paterfamilias gens Aelia
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