| Subject: |
Re: Song - Roman Republican :) |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 6 May 1999 01:14:19 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salivate, omnes!
By popular demand, "Roman Republican" is now featured under Thalia (comedy)
in the Camenaeum!
Valete,
Marcus Martianus Gangalius
At 09:40 PM 5/2/99 EDT, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; wrote:
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------;
>
>Salvete Omnes,
>
>Patricia and I are just back from MithraCon II, and had a wonderful weekend
>studying Mithraism and ancient subjects at the Yale University campus. Great
>fun!
>
>One of the people attending had only known of us through the Nova Roma site.
>She was surprised that we were average people... she'd expected a couple of
>stodgy stiff-necked Republican Romans, all puffed up with virtue and dignitas
>at every moment! ;)
>
>On the way home we began to compose such a character, and naturally had to
>put it to song. Hope this ends up being Nova Roma's answer to "Buff
>Barbarian!"
>
>Roman Republican
>by Marcus Cassius Julianus
>and Patricia Cassia
>
>(sung to the much-abused tune of Gilbert & Sullivan's
>"I am the Very Model of a Modern Major General")
>
>
>I am the very model of a staunch Roman Republican
>I like to read from Cato because things were so much better then
>I uphold all the virtues, except when they're really bugging me
>I think I'm so superior with my Stoic philosophy
>
>My family is patrician, we're descended from a deity
>With pietas and dignitas, but never spontaneity
>We clap politely at the games when gladiators spear their foes
>And when we write a speech it always sounds like one of Cicero's
>
>My first wife I divorced because she wasn't rich enough for me
>My second ran away while I was on campaign in Sicily
>I cast my vote to help a friend and so I've just become engaged
>His lovely teenage daughter will become my wife when she's of age
>
>I've spent my whole life climbing up the Roman cursus honorum
>It's all to do with breeding, doesn't matter if your smart or dumb
>My slaves and clients tell me someday surely I'll be Rome's First Man
>or else I'll bribe the voters to make Consul as a backup plan
>
>I wear my Senate toga with my sandals and my ring of gold
>I don't think anyone should lead unless he's really, really old
>My head is filled with good advice from Stoic sages myriad
>Which makes up for my hair, which disappeared when I was just a lad
>
>I'm always at my happiest when all our legions are deployed
>"Because, O Conscript Fathers, it is Carthage that must be destroyed!"
>I'm a military genius when I'm speaking on the Senate floor
>I went out with the legions once, but they won't have me any more
>
>I built my family fortune up, tax-farming in the colonies
>I raided someone's temple for my statues and my courtyard frieze
>I taxed grain from the provinces and shipped it promptly back to Rome
>To serve bread to the Head Count, because everyone likes peace at home
>
>The food I eat is covered with a pungent salty fishy paste
>It keeps the meat good longer so it doesn't have to go to waste
>We haven't got tomatoes yet; it really makes me want to cry
>'Cause there's nothing more Italian than a pepperoni pizza pie
>
>I offered sacrifice up to the great Triad Capitoline
>and tied a ribbon to my sheep to let the Gods know it was mine
>I also make devotions at my domicile's lararium
>Our household rites are all the same, we never like to vary 'em
>
>I keep my cellar stocked with casks of all the best Falernian wine
>It's just what they expect of you when you live on the Palatine
>When I leave town I'm glad to know that all the roads lead back to Rome
>That way I can get drunk and still be sure that I will make it home
>
>I'm very well acquainted with the Roman leaders various
>I'm pompouser than Pompey and I'm manlier than Marius
>I am the Perfect Roman, with the word, the thought, the deed, the look
>You can find out more about me in Colleen McCullough's next new book
>
>And all my friends and colleagues from the Senate, they are just like me...
>Because of us you can be sure that Rome will live in history!
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Song - Roman Republican :) |
| From: |
Pythia kingan@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 06 May 1999 22:55:34 -0700 |
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<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=174166082206158174112154175101114253071048139" >M--------Rom--------...</--------; wrote:
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=174166082206158174112154175101114253071048139" >M--------Rom--------...</--------;
>
> In a message dated 99-05-05 20:15:20 EDT, you write:
>
> > Salivate, omnes!
> >
> > By popular demand, "Roman Republican" is now featured under Thalia (comedy)
> > in the Camenaeum!
> >
> > Valete,
> > Marcus Martianus Gangalius
>
> Don offers to sing it!! I can turn it into a .wav file or somethin!!!!
OOOH yes please!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Song - Roman Republican :) |
| From: |
MaNPaRoman@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 6 May 1999 00:02:29 EDT |
|
In a message dated 99-05-05 22:50:10 EDT, you write:
> OOOH yes please!!
Pythia -- sometimes I REALLY worry about you!!!
Crys (shakin her head -- I didn't know Pythia was DEAF!! <G>)
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| Subject: |
Re: Possible NR site Java problems... |
| From: |
legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 6 May 1999 06:12:16 -0500 (CDT) |
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Salvete, amici et amicae!
Fannius suggested:
>Why not offer two versions of the site? Perhaps have the index.html
>allow the user a choice? Something as simple as the Nova Roma flag
>centered on the page with two links below it "Java enabled version"
>(or something of the sort) and "Non Java version".
Say, as long as we're thinking of offering people a choice...why not
have options for Framed and un-Framed versions? Many other Web sites
let the visitor decide. This doesn't have to lead to a population
explosion of buttons either...maybe 'No Frames/No Java', 'Frames/No
Java', and 'Gimme Everything You Got!!' [just kidding on that last
title, but you get the idea...] >({|;-)
Speaking of sites (since lots of people have asked), mine's going up
this week, possibly before the weekend. Right now it's very
plain-Jane, not even any live links (I'll try to get a mail-to in there
at least), but there are some small graphics that I made myself. Find
it at
<a href="http://home.swbell.net/~legion6" target="_top" >http://home.swbell.net/~legion6</a>
See ya when you get there...!
---
__________ _<~) __________
<-\\\\@@@@@) /##\ (@@@@@////-> Märia Villarroel <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
<-\\\@@@@(#####@@@@///-> Historical Re-Creationist
<-\\\*##*///-> and Citizen of Rome
o---<<<<||SPQR||>>>>---o Latin lessons, History lectures
///\\\ Role-playing Games, too!
aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends
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| Subject: |
Invitation |
| From: |
MaNPaRoman@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 6 May 1999 09:22:50 EDT |
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Salvete guys!!
If you haven't already (I know a couple of you already have) feel free to
join the Sodalis Pro Infantia ( <a href="http://users.drak.net/familia/sodalis.htm" target="_top" >http://users.drak.net/familia/sodalis.htm</a> )
as soon as you can. Membership is free and I would love to have you all as
proud members. You don't have to be a parent, but it is helpful if you were
someones child at some point <G>.
The page has won 5 awards, which is one more than Nova Roma has won and is up
for 2 more. I must be doing something right <G>.
The page is no longer up for Senatorial consideration. They wanted annual
reports on membership, they wanted membership for only Nova Romans and they
wanted a share of the Sodalis' non-existant profits (I am a lousy
businesswoman -- I'm not selling anything through my Sodalis and I never
will. Any costs will be absorbed through me). I was unwilling to give them
any control over my Sodalis. I removed all references to NR from the pages
of the Sodalis and from my personal page as well (except for a link back to
NR on the link pages). I emailed Cassius, Paliadius and the Censors and have
recieved no reply from any. Then it was hardly a question. I hope that will
not stop you from joining. This is a TRUE club and community, open to
whoever wants to enter. I never cared for exclusive 'Roman Only' clubs. :-(
Will you have any say over the Sodalis?? HADES YES!!! Contribute whatever
your little heart desires. As long as it is in keeping with the subject
matter I will put it on the page. There are so few resources for Ancient
Roman children I need all the help I can get.
So join up!!!!
<a href="http://users.drak.net/familia/sodalis.htm" target="_top" >http://users.drak.net/familia/sodalis.htm</a>
Crys
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| Subject: |
Re: Translation Site |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 6 May 1999 10:55:21 -0400 |
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Salvete Stephane Ulleri et alii
Thanks for pointing this out. I had looked for something like this but
never found it before. I submitted three queries:
"Dog": The site gave me not one but three words: canis, latrator, and
queror (a verb meaning to whine) with concise definitions. Very nice.
"Sovereignty": The site returned imperium, with a few near-synonyms in lieu
of a definition. Not bad, but shows the limitations of a simple dictionary.
"Man loves life": The site returned nothing; it is an online dictionary,
not a translator.
It seems to me that this site is a handy tool for looking up nouns denoting
tangible things. It should be used with caution for anything beyond that.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
>From: Megas-Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
>
>
>Here is a site that will translate things into Latin for you
>
><a href="http://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/Latin/" target="_top" >http://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/Latin/</a>
>
>Not being even close to a scholar of Latin, I can't vouch for the site's
>accuracy, but it seems a good start.
>
>In Amicus - Venator
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Invitation |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 6 May 1999 11:45:48 -0400 |
|
Salvete, Quirites
>
>The page is no longer up for Senatorial consideration.
Lucius Equitius; Sorry to hear this. I have tried to help.
> They wanted annual
>reports on membership, they wanted membership for only Nova Romans and they
>wanted a share of the Sodalis' non-existant profits (I am a lousy
>businesswoman -- I'm not selling anything through my Sodalis and I never
>will. Any costs will be absorbed through me). I was unwilling to give
them
>any control over my Sodalis.
Lucius Equitius; Where did you get this from? I never heard any of this from
the other Senatores. Our only concern was with how you were sole owner and
arbitor over membership, content etc. As far as I am concerned none of the
above is true.
I removed all references to NR from the pages
>of the Sodalis and from my personal page as well (except for a link back to
>NR on the link pages). I emailed Cassius, Paliadius and the Censors and
have
>recieved no reply from any.
Lucius Equitius; Cassius and Palladius ARE the Censores. Did you ever send
anyth--------to Flav--------laud--------lt;a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> or Flav--------Ved--------br>
G--------nicus <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=045202250078193194170218163036129208" >jkbloch@--------</a> or Quintus Ca--------ius M--------lus <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=230063178237146031033082190" >fjga@a...</a>
or even to me (other than what you posted to the list)? I know I replied to
your post on this list and took the time to ask quaestor Venator to send me
a copy of his charter which I sent to you to use as a model.
> Then it was hardly a question. I hope that will
>not stop you from joining. This is a TRUE club and community, open to
>whoever wants to enter. I never cared for exclusive 'Roman Only' clubs.
:-(
>
Lucius Equitius; This is the first I've heard of this restriction.
>Will you have any say over the Sodalis?? HADES YES!!!
Lucius Equitius; Once again the only problem I had with your charter was
that there was no provision for electing the "magna mater", and that is a
dictatorship something which I cannot condone as a Senator. I hope that you
will reconsider your position.
Valete, Consul Lucius Equitius
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| Subject: |
Re: Web site control (was Invitation) |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 6 May 1999 13:23:42 EDT |
|
In a m--------g--------t--------/6/99 8:45:16 AM Pacific Daylight Tim--------lt;a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>
writes:
<< Lucius Equitius; Once again the only problem I had with your charter was
that there was no provision for electing the "magna mater", and that is a
dictatorship something which I cannot condone as a Senator. I hope that you
will reconsider your position.>>
Salvete August Fathers!
If a person has put work in, paid for bandwidth and really "owns" the site,
I'm sure that he or she wants to maintain that control. For the information
of those who have not designed or updated websites, they are a lot of work
and a large time investment. To allow such an investment to have only a
"chance" to be lost to the original designer, would be unacceptable to most
site makers.
I call on the Senate to change the this restriction, and allow our talented
citizens to design their sites without the fear of NOT retaining them. A
Dictatorship in a Republic is not good. Sometimes a dictatorship in running
a website is a necessity.
Vale!
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
The Ares Award |
| From: |
MaNPaRoman@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 6 May 1999 14:10:58 EDT |
|
Salvete all,
I am pleased to announce that the Sodalis Pro Infantia has won the Ares
Award. That is the pages 6th award. I have been busting my hump on this
page for ever it seems. It is wonderful to see that I'm not the only one who
likes the work I have done.
I would like to thank the Sodalis Pater Vado for contributing all that he has
(articles, informaion and graphics!!). He deserves as much credit as I do.
Again, you can view this site at: <a href="http://users.drak.net/familia/sodalis.htm" target="_top" >http://users.drak.net/familia/sodalis.htm</a>
Valete,
Crys
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| Subject: |
Re: Web site control (was Invitation) |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 6 May 1999 15:18:31 EDT |
|
In a message dated 99-05-06 13:24:45 EDT, Q.Fabius writes:
<< Lucius Equitius; Once again the only problem I had with your charter was
that there was no provision for electing the "magna mater", and that is a
dictatorship something which I cannot condone as a Senator. I hope that you
will reconsider your position.>>
Q. Fabius:
>Salvete August Fathers!
If a person has put work in, paid for bandwidth and really "owns" the site,
I'm sure that he or she wants to maintain that control. For the information
of those who have not designed or updated websites, they are a lot of work
and a large time investment. To allow such an investment to have only a
"chance" to be lost to the original designer, would be unacceptable to most
site makers.
Cassius:
This is absolutely so. Anyone who designs and maintains a website should of
course retain total ownership of that site. In this particular case it's not
ownership of a website being discussed; the issue is how Sodaliciums (special
interest clubs "officially" attached to Nova Roma) are to be set up. The
person who has paid for and maintains a Sodalicium site definitely owns the
site and all the information therein - but if the Sodalicium is otherwise to
be a true "club" there should be some division of responsibility.
Q.Fabius:
I call on the Senate to change the this restriction, and allow our talented
citizens to design their sites without the fear of NOT retaining them. A
Dictatorship in a Republic is not good. Sometimes a dictatorship in running
a website is a necessity.
Cassius:
To my knowledge no such restriction exists. Any Citizen may put up a Roman
related website, (so long as they don't use NR copyright items without
permission!) and they of course retain 100% ownership of that site in
perpetuity when they do. However, a website itself is NOT a Sodalicium.
Nova Roma encourages Citizens to start Sodaliciums around their Roman
cultural interests, so that many people may get involved in that particular
aspect of the Roman world. To do this we are trying to ensure that the
Sodaliciums are 'true' clubs rather than one Citizen's organization. That way
everyone has the possibility to participate fully, and there is less
possibility that the Sodalicium itself would fail if something happened to
the founding member. So, a Roman Clothing group would be officially sponsored
if all members have the potential to hold office, but would not be officially
sponsored by NR if the founder does not allow that provision.
In the case of the Sodalicium pro Infantia, I believe the *real* problem is
that negotiations were stopped when the NR website was switched to the new
server. The Senate board didn't carry over, and the Senate had no way to
discuss Chrys' application. I'm sure that the "magna mater" issue could have
been resolved if discussion had been able to continue. It probably wouldn't
have been that difficult to find accord... Chrys would have been Founder and
Webmistress (website owner) of the Sodalicium, and probably it's first
president... and in say, a year there'd be provision for a vote among the
membership. Chrys might be prorogued as president several times, but at least
there'd be provision for her to leave at some point without the Sodalicium
itself collapsing.
Vale,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: Web site control (was Invitation) |
| From: |
MaNPaRoman@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 6 May 1999 15:53:45 EDT |
|
In a message dated 99-05-06 15:19:19 EDT, you write:
> Nova Roma encourages Citizens to start Sodaliciums around their Roman
> cultural interests, so that many people may get involved in that
particular
> aspect of the Roman world. To do this we are trying to ensure that the
> Sodaliciums are 'true' clubs rather than one Citizen's organization. That
> way
> everyone has the possibility to participate fully, and there is less
> possibility that the Sodalicium itself would fail if something happened to
> the founding member. So, a Roman Clothing group would be officially
> sponsored
> if all members have the potential to hold office, but would not be
> officially
> sponsored by NR if the founder does not allow that provision.
>
As it stands there is just me. There is room for a person to get the
address, password and information they would need to access the site should
something happen to me. With my computer problems there really is no other
way. <G> HOWEVER, it is EXTREMLY important to me that I trust who I'm giving
access to a years worth of work to. Would NR just let me have the password
to the website and take the chance on my somehow screwing it up?? Then take
good time fixing my screwup??
> In the case of the Sodalicium pro Infantia, I believe the *real* problem
is
> that negotiations were stopped when the NR website was switched to the new
> server. The Senate board didn't carry over, and the Senate had no way to
> discuss Chrys' application. I'm sure that the "magna mater" issue could
have
>
> been resolved if discussion had been able to continue. It probably
wouldn't
> have been that difficult to find accord... Chrys would have been Founder
and
>
> Webmistress (website owner) of the Sodalicium, and probably it's first
> president... and in say, a year there'd be provision for a vote among the
> membership. Chrys might be prorogued as president several times, but at
> least
> there'd be provision for her to leave at some point without the Sodalicium
> itself collapsing.
>
I'm afraid I never would have gone for it. Every member of the Sodalis Pro
Infantia knows what happens to the website and they all know they have a say.
There is a proposal in front of them now regarding translated lyrics I am
thinking might fit on the site. If anything happened to me there are 2 other
members who know how to get in touch with me and 1 who knows enough about me
to get onto the server if needs must to master the site. But I TRUST these
people. Heck, the people elect some pretty dumb people into office who
happilly run around ruining stuff.
The whole thing stunk of government, which I don't want for this society. I
don't want to have to hold something up forever while the masses make up
their minds. I don't want that for my little Society. It's for CHILDREN --
and they can't vote anyway (so nah!) -- not adults ultimately.
I had another thought, but it has left my little mind already -- so what else
is new.
> Vale,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
Crys (the Bimbo <G>)
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