Forum Romanum


Subject:	Re: Posted in the forum: A Gladiatorial Challange
From:
Date:	Fri, 7 May 1999 02:35:01 EDT

Citizens!

The Gladiator Aureus Saltator, 22 kills a retiarius, has returned here for
three days. He demands a match. Who should we send against him?

Below are the Republic's challengers

Marcus Secator. 12 fights 7 kills
Flavis Secator. 7 fights 2 Kills
Lupus Thracian. 4 fights 4 Kills
Voluminos Hopomachus 20 fights 10 kills

Indicate your choice, then at 12 Noon PDT (3 PM EDT) on Sat. come
to the Arena if you dare! Watch the peoples' choice in action.
Then see how long he lasts!!
Pubius Caro Lanista


Subject:	Re: Web site control (was Invitation)
From:	Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@--------
Date:	Fri, 7 May 1999 02:40:43 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 6 M--------999 <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------; wrote:

> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>
> In a m--------g--------t--------/6/99 8:45:16 AM Pacific Daylight Tim--------lt;a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>
> writes:

> << Lucius Equitius; Once again the only problem I had with your charter was
> that there was no provision for electing the "magna mater", and that is a
> dictatorship something which I cannot condone as a Senator. I hope that you
> will reconsider your position.>>
> Salvete August Fathers!

Salve Q. Fabii!

> If a person has put work in, paid for bandwidth and really "owns" the site,
> I'm sure that he or she wants to maintain that control. For the information
> of those who have not designed or updated websites, they are a lot of work
> and a large time investment. To allow such an investment to have only a
> "chance" to be lost to the original designer, would be unacceptable to most
> site makers.

Of course, as you know, no one was talking about the ownership of the
website. We were talking about having a provision in the charter of a
sodalis that allowed for the election of officers. The original charter
that Crys presented had no officers at all, it was set up as a corporation
with her as the sole owner. With revisions, it started to look more like a
club or fellowship and less like a forum for, by, and of one person. I'm
sure that something could have been worked out in the charter of the group
that the website could have remained in her hands, subject to some
oversight by the rest of the group even when she stepped down as leader.

> I call on the Senate to change the this restriction, and allow our talented
> citizens to design their sites without the fear of NOT retaining them. A
> Dictatorship in a Republic is not good. Sometimes a dictatorship in running
> a website is a necessity.

If all the Sod. pro Infant. was to be was a mere website then I would
agree. However, if other people than Crys were going participate, then
they should be allowed to participate fully. I know that I would not join
something that professed itself to be a fellowship but was really the
sole property of the owner. At some point the baby has to be allowed to
walk on its own. (yes I know, boo, hiss, bad pun) Perhaps what Crys had in
mind was more of an informational website without any other members. That
would have been fine but it would not have been a sodalis.

It's ironic. Usually the senate it seems is accused of being oligarchs and
now we are taken to task for insisting that a sodalis associated with Nova
Roma be more democratic and let its members be allowed to participate
fully in it. This is really the only oversight that the senate
has over a group--its creation. After it is formed it is on its own.

If Nova Roma had stayed the sole property of its founders, there would be
no room for it to grow. The elected officials, myself and Lucius Equitius
the senior of them for this year, run the show, website and all, for
better or worse. The trust was passed on to us and we intend to pass it
on, stronger we hope and with a fully functional government (yes with
comitiae and all), to whomever of you is elected to replace us. If this
can be done in Nova Roma, it certainly can be done in a sodalis.

In service to Rome,

Decius Iunius Palladius, Consul

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Non scholae sed vitae discimus.

Seneca

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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.


Subject:	Re: Web site control (was Invitation)
From:	Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@--------
Date:	Fri, 7 May 1999 03:17:56 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 6 M--------999 <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=174166082206158174112154175101114253071048139" >M--------Rom--------...</--------; wrote:

> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=174166082206158174112154175101114253071048139" >M--------Rom--------...</--------;
>
> In a message dated 99-05-06 15:19:19 EDT, you write:

Salve A. Iunia Crystillina!

> > possibility that the Sodalicium itself would fail if something happened to
> > the founding member. So, a Roman Clothing group would be officially
> > sponsored
> > if all members have the potential to hold office, but would not be
> > officially
> > sponsored by NR if the founder does not allow that provision.
> >
>
> As it stands there is just me. There is room for a person to get the
> address, password and information they would need to access the site should
> something happen to me. With my computer problems there really is no other
> way. <G> HOWEVER, it is EXTREMLY important to me that I trust who I'm giving
> access to a years worth of work to. Would NR just let me have the password
> to the website and take the chance on my somehow screwing it up?? Then take
> good time fixing my screwup??

If you were elected or appointed to a position of responsibility, then the
answer is yes. That is the nature of the game.

> > Webmistress (website owner) of the Sodalicium, and probably it's first
> > president... and in say, a year there'd be provision for a vote among the
> > membership. Chrys might be prorogued as president several times, but at
> > least
> > there'd be provision for her to leave at some point without the Sodalicium
> > itself collapsing.

> I'm afraid I never would have gone for it. Every member of the Sodalis Pro
> Infantia knows what happens to the website and they all know they have a say.
> There is a proposal in front of them now regarding translated lyrics I am
> thinking might fit on the site. If anything happened to me there are 2 other
> members who know how to get in touch with me and 1 who knows enough about me
> to get onto the server if needs must to master the site. But I TRUST these
> people. Heck, the people elect some pretty dumb people into office who
> happilly run around ruining stuff.

That's the risk you run when you are part of a community. One cannot
control everything at all times. You have to trust people and the system
put into place.

> The whole thing stunk of government, which I don't want for this society.

Somewhat of a contradiction isn't it? Society without governance? I
hate to point it out to you but the society as you formed it had a
government--*you.* So it indeed stunk of government to me as well...

> I
> don't want to have to hold something up forever while the masses make up
> their minds. I don't want that for my little Society. It's for CHILDREN --
> and they can't vote anyway (so nah!) -- not adults ultimately.

I thought this group was for parents as well and not just children.
So, the pace of this group will be too fast to consult the masses within
it who will have rushed to join to not have a say in how it is run?
(forgive my run-on sentence) Like many among fortune's favorites, I think
that you are not giving people enough credit for being able to participate
wisely and make good choices.

I better end here. It will make too many people nervous to continue to see
a consul defend democratic principles. :)

Decius Iunius Palladius, Consul

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Non scholae sed vitae discimus.

Seneca

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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.


Subject:	Roman Games, this Saturday
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Fri, 7 May 1999 16:57:36 +0100

Salvete cives

I, Antonius Gryllus Graecus, Aedilis Plebis am not able to preside at the
Games this Saturday, at 12 Noon PDT (3 PM EDT).
Quintus Fabius Maximus, honoured citizen of Nova Roma shall preside the
Games this Saturday in my place. Although he has no magistracy his work
setting up the Games is enough to make him deserve the honour.
I have chosen Voluminos Hopomachus to fight Aureus Saltator, for the
triumphs of both promise a very stubborn combat:

- Aureus Saltator, 22 kills, a retiarius (net and trident)
- Voluminos Hopomachus 20 fights 10 kills

Hope you enjoy the fight.

... And don't forget.. The Arena is located at:
<a href="http://venus.beseen.com/chat/rooms/d/439123" target="_top" >http://venus.beseen.com/chat/rooms/d/439123</a>

Valete omnes
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Aedilis Plebis


Subject:	Re: WITCHCRAFT
From:	Megas-Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Fri, 07 May 1999 20:01:01 -0500

Avete Omnes!

Here's a site which may be of interest to the Religio or even Strega)
practitioners out there. This seems to be the whole book in on-line format.

> C.G. Leland's "ETRUSCAN ROMAN REMAINS" in Popular Tradition,
> W / facsimilies of all graphic materials
> <a href="http://www.blackcrescent.com/gEtru_P02a.html" target="_top" >http://www.blackcrescent.com/gEtru_P02a.html</a>

In Amicus - Venator


Subject:	Advertising in college papers - is it happening?
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 7 May 1999 21:46:19 -0400

Salvete

A week or so ago, someone said that they knew of a couple of colleges in the
Midwest US that probably had papers that would print NR advertisements. Is
that person still subscribed to this list?

If so, do you know the names/telephone numbers to call to find out how to do
this and how much it would cost?

Please post to the list or feel free to send me a private e-mail if you want
help.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus