| Subject: |
Fwd: Re: [britannia] Fwd: Roman Lane Discipline |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 18 May 1999 00:50:18 PDT |
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Salvete Quirites!
Forwarded for comment <G>:
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132100020254093198016200200028114253071048139" >DTibbe2926@--------</--------;
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:britannia@--------" >britannia@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:britannia@--------" >britannia@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: [britannia] Fwd: Roman Lane Discipline
>Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:49:25 EDT
>
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132100020254093198016200200028114253071048139" >DTibbe2926@--------</--------;
>
>In a message dated 5/5/99 06:22:28 GMT Daylight Time,
><a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>
>writes:
>
><< >There was a piece on the Today programme a few months ago in which
>some
> > >archaeologist claimed to have found evidence that the Romans drove on
>the
> > >left. >>
>
>I've been told this by a local amateur archaeologist who has done extensive
>work on the Roman roads of north Wales (or Gogledd Cymru as they say
>locally). On an uphill stretch from a ford, there was a 'passing point' on
>the right which suggested that traffic travelling on the left had priority.
>
>Could it be that the Brits do drive on the correct side of the road? ;-)
>
>Publius
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| Subject: |
[Fwd: Ancient History Newsletter] |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 18 May 1999 00:54:33 -0700 |
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Here is the next installment of links...I hope you enjoy them.
L.Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus
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| Subject: |
Roman War Machine on History Channel |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 18 May 1999 10:22:09 -0400 |
|
Salvete Omnes
For those who have access to cable television, the History Channel is
showing "The Roman War Machine" all this week, 9:00 p.m. and 1:00 a.m. EST.
I watched the first segment last night. While I think that it suffered from
of the same problems as did the "Power and Glory" series from a few weeks
back, especially the difficulty of covering so much history in so little
time, I think that this segment was good. One reason is the series' focus
on the evolution of the Roman military, vs. "Power and Glory"'s attempt to
look at the whole of Roman history.
Anyone who has read even a little about the Roman army will probably not see
anything "new" here, but, I enjoyed watching it very much, if only because
of the re-enactors featured. Especially nice were the comments from
re-enactors, with a head-on, in-your-face camera angle, on how the shield
could be used as an offensive weapon and the stabbing action with which the
gladius was employed.
I have a few questions:
1. These re-enactors had British accents, and I gather that the segment was
filmed in Britain. Has anyone in Nova Roma, Claudia Aprica maybe, had any
contact with this legion?
2. Toward the end of the segment, the topic was Caesar's campaigns in Gaul.
The re-enactors depicted intermittently during this part were wearing
segmented plate armor, which became standard some 100 years or more later;
I noticed this inaccuracy (understandable due to the relative scarcity of
re-enactors of different periods I guess) and then wondered too about the
shields. The rectangular shield became standard during the early
Principate; is it probable that, of the legions under Caesar in Gaul, some
carried oval scuta, and others rectangular shields? Also, were the
rectangular shields called scuta too?
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Re: Roman War Machine on History Channel |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 18 May 1999 10:05:15 -0500 (CDT) |
|
>
>From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
>
>1. These re-enactors had British accents, and I gather that the segment was
>filmed in Britain. Has anyone in Nova Roma, Claudia Aprica maybe, had any
>contact with this legion?
Probably the Ermine St. Guard, the best-known of the Brit re-enators. They've been in a lot of
documentaries.
-- Flavia Claudia
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| Subject: |
Re: Roman Shields was Roman War Machine on History Channel |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Tue, 18 May 1999 12:26:40 EDT |
|
n a message dated 5/18/99 7:31:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> writes:
<< I noticed this inaccuracy (understandable due to the relative scarcity of
re-enactors of different periods I guess) and then wondered too about the
shields. The rectangular shield became standard during the early
Principate; is it probable that, of the legions under Caesar in Gaul, some
carried oval scuta, and others rectangular shields? Also, were the
rectangular shields called scuta too?>>
Salve Gaius Marius Merullus!
Since the scutum was word for the original warped oval shield, the tile
shaped one was originally this old scutum with the tops shorn off to save
weight. Therefore the old name was retained. This was done during Augustus
reorganization of Legiones circa 27 BCE. Later the oval sides were
straightened.
The Aux, replaced their parma (small round shields) and went to a straight
oval which was called the clipeus. Then by the third century CE the clipeus
replaced the scutum and was retained within the Empire until the Byzantines
designed the kite in the 900s.
In answer to your Caesar question no, the legiones under Caesar had the
warped oval scutum.
Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus
Unemployed Roman Miltary Historian.
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| Subject: |
Questions |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Tue, 18 May 1999 12:41:55 EDT |
|
Question 1: If a Nova Roma citizen is in charge of a province, is it allowed
for them to own land or build things in the name of Nova Roma?
Question 2: Is it possible at any future time for the constitution or other
aspects of Nova Roma government to be altered (just curious). Thank
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| Subject: |
Fw: ARCHPORT: conferencia e call for papers |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 18 May 1999 20:31:40 +0100 |
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-----Original Message-----
From: Lucia Afonso <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034075014237152132015199190036129" >lumapi@--------</a>
To: <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243212219122152190218057203043129208071" >ar--------rt@--------</a> <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243212219122152190218057203043129208071" >ar--------rt@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 8:11 PM
Subject: ARCHPORT: conferencia e call for papers
>From: Armin Schmidt <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=100242224098042192036223031248053208071048" >A.Schmidt@--------</a>
>Reply-To: Armin Schmidt <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=100242224098042192036223031248053208071048" >A.Schmidt@--------</a>
>To: <a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=243064066249158153138218072036129208" >ads-all@--------</a>, Arch-DE <a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=100212219122013191073218141036129208" >Arch-DE@c...</a>,
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>CC: Fassbinder Joerg <a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=051151248153067213024218072036129208" >KL91101@--------</a>
>Subject: Third International Conference on Archaeological Prospection
>Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:36:10 -0400 (EDT)
>
>++ Apologies for Cross-posting ++
>
>Third International Conference on Archaeological Prospection
>9.-11. September 1999, Munich, Germany
>
>Final Call For Papers
>---------------------
>Closing date for the submission of abstracts is 31 May 1999!
>
>Conference Announcement
>-----------------------
>The Third International Conference on Archaeological Prospection will
>be held in Munich, Germany in September 1999. The conference will be
>organized and hosted by the Bayerisches Landesamt f|r Denkmalpflege
>in collaboration with the European Geophysical Society (EGS).
>
>The meeting will focus on recent work in all aspects of archaeological
>prospection including aerial archaeology and remote sensing. Topics
>presented should be of broad interest to archaeologists as well as to
>geophysicists and specialists working in technical fields. Contributions
>from practitioners in these fields are welcome.
>
>The conference programme will include invited papers, oral
>presentations and poster sessions.
>
>The conference venue is located in the only Renaissance building in
>Munich, the "Alte M|nze" (Old Mint of the Royal Family) in the center
>of Munich.
>
>Further information and submittal instructions for abstracts can be found
>on the conference Web pages at
><a href="http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/archsci/depart/conferen/archp99" target="_top" >http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/archsci/depart/conferen/archp99</a>
>
>Address for Correspondence
>--------------------------
>Dr. J. Fassbinder
>Dept. of Archaeological Prospection & Aerial Archaeology
>Bayer. Landesamt fur Denkmalpflege
>Postfach 10 02 03
>D-80076 Munich
>Germany
>Fax +49 - 89 - 21143000
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| Subject: |
Re: Questions |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Tue, 18 May 1999 15:38:08 EDT |
|
No need to respond to those questions. I had an auto-aol set from a month
time ago that sent the mail (I had changed my PC clock back a little so my
shareware Paintshop wouldnt expire and just changed it back to normal).
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| Subject: |
Nova Roman Government |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Tue, 18 May 1999 16:54:39 EDT |
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I have seen many discussions about the altering of the constitution and
government and happened to get an idea, and therefore I humbly and
respectfully submit this idea to the Senate and people of Nova Roma for the
solving of the government problem and possibly the class problem. Please
email back with comments.
Basically the system would work with a panel of Consuls [from latin "to
consult"]. Each citizen of Nova Roma could either choose to follow one of
these Consuls or to become a Consul themselves. The Consulate would be like
the Senate. Each person that followed a Consul would give them more "vote
points". Vote points would be determined by a citizen's Virtues. For
information about this see the bottom of this message. People like the
co-founders of NR would have a higher vote point due to Industria (hard work)
since they are the founders of NR after all. This would help solve the
problem of their placement among the other magistrates. The benefits for
following a Consul are that a person wouldnt have to take part in the votes
(which will doubtless take up time) and they dont have to get involved in
politics (ie. finding out about all the things that are going on with taxes,
relations with other micronations, etc.). The benefits to being your own
Consul is that your vote directly counts (though a single person voting will
be less because they wont have as many vote points as a Consul with ten or
twenty people following them) incase your Consul doesnt have the same opinion
on a certain matter. But of course, Consuls are only for legislative matters.
The executive matters would be handled by the Praetors [from latin "to
lead"]. The Praetors would, within the legislations of the Consuls (and
possibly needing their direct approval for some things) make decisions
regarding Nova Roma. Praetors would be elected every 5 years and are to the
Consuls like the Consuls are to the people. Because the name Praetor is
already used to describe a governor of a province, perhaps use Praetor
Maximus/Praetor Minor to help differentiate.
How does this apply to the class system? Perhaps the Consuls could be the
Patricians [from latin "father"]. But of course thats not a necessity for
the government system, its just a possibility.
VOTE POINTS:
For virtues, a citizen would be awarded vote points.
Auctoritas - experience (time in Nova Roma perhaps? After one year they get
a vote point for this.)
Comitas, Clementia, Dignitas, Honestas, Frugalitas, Humanitas, Pietas,
Prudentia, Salubritas, Veritas, Severitas - honor, wisdom (by commiting a
crime the vote point would go away for a span of time determined by the
severity of the crime)
Firmitas, Industria - hard work (higher amount of vote points the more you do
for Nova Roma)
Thanks for taking the time to read this whole thing, I know it was LONG.
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