| Subject: |
Bridging the Danube |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
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| Date: |
Tue, 1 Jun 1999 06:13:24 -0400 (EDT) |
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As soon as the Spring floods had subsided, the legionaries began
building a pontoon bridge. This was the easiest and quickest method of
crossing the Danube. It was also the safest as it could be constucted
section by section working out across the river. The bridge was built
on barges moored to crates of stones which were lowered into the river.
A wooden roadway was then laid from boat to boat. The bridge was
completed in a few days. Everything was now ready for the invasion.
The Dacians lived in the densely wooded Carpathian Mountains, which have
become famous as the home of Dracula in the modern day. Th e Dacians
were strongly influenced by the Greeks and reached a higher level of
civilization than the other so-called barbarian peoples.Under the
dynamic King Burebista, a century and a half earlier, the Dacians had
become the most powerful nation in central Europe, but since his death
the country had been split by Civil War.
Dacian raids were a constant source of irritation to the Romans, but
they had never been considered a serious threat. This changed about
AD80 when the young and ambitious Decebalus came to the throne, intent
on rebuilding the empire of Burebista. The attack across the Danube in
AD85 was his first test of strength with Rome.
Being in the mountains, Dacia was difficult to invade. There was really
only one easy route. This led North for 100 km from Viminacium entering
the mountains at Tapae. So Viminacium became the center of operations
against Dacia. As such it also became the seat of government of the
province (Upper Moesia). Four legions appear to have been stationed in
the area:
--Legion I-Adiutrix;
--Legion II-Adiutrix;
--Legion IIII-Flavia;
--Legion VII-Claudia (Maximus' Legion);
Legion II Adiutrix had recentl been brought from Britain, it had been
stationed at Lincoln.
The are three scenes depicted on these pages, in which you may be
interested:
There is a scene from Trajan's column showing the army of Trajan
crossing the river on two bridges of boats. The second is another scene
showing a river barge being unloaded. This was the type of barge used
for building the bridge of boats. The third is an artist's drawing
(rendering) of the fatigue parties from the Seventh Legion engaged in
the construction of the bridge of boats.
The Roman historian Arrian, writing about AD150, explains how the Romans
built a bridge of boats. Barges were towed out onto the river a short
distance above the point where the bridge was to be built and allowed to
drift down stream backwards. They were controlled by men in rowing
boats who manuvered them into position. The barges were anchored with
pyramid shaped wicker crated full of stones. The spaces between the
barges were bridged with timbers. A roadway of planks was laid on top
of the timbers with railings on either side.
Reference;
The Legionary (The Roma World). Peter Connolly, Oxfod University Press,
1988.
The above is the next chapter of the adventures of Tiberius Claudius
Maximus and his involvement in the Roman Mlitary Campaign against Dacia.
It is meant to be a discussion of sharing between myself and my friend
Haji, who lives in Pannonia. He and I have agreed to exchange
information on the history of the area and his views are very
beneficial, and we have shared much information. The above can also be
used in the Eagle, as the Editor desires. If the editor would like to
have the previous chapters of the book, about the above length, they
are available to Eagle. Anyone in Nova Roma having an interest in the
Dacian Campaign or in the area of Pannonia (next door to Yugoslavia) I
urge you to get into contact with Haji. He has proved himself to be a
good researcher, and fount of knowledge in relation to his country's
ancient history.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
(Fwd) [Circle_Chat] Roman Pagan? {03} |
| From: |
"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:35:12 -0500 |
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Salvete,
I got this question from another list and was wondering if anyone
might be able to answer??
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Subject: [Circle_Chat] Roman Pagan? {03}
Date sent: Mon, 31 May 1999 01:28:26 -0500
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I TRIED to get some info from Nova Roma and they never wrote
back to me.
How does this differ from Stregheria?
)O(
*B*B*
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SKILL is being able to do it with the cherry still attached!
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Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
Virgil
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| Subject: |
Re: (Fwd) [Circle_Chat] Roman Pagan? {03} |
| From: |
"Paul LeCorde" paul_lecorde@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 01 Jun 1999 06:07:50 -0700 |
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>I TRIED to get some info from Nova Roma and they never wrote
>back to me.
>
>How does this differ from Stregheria?
>
I will not claim to be an expert on either subject, but
here are some thoughts on the subject.
Stregheria is a form of Wicca based on the Aradia
tradition of Italy. Nova Roma is a "micronation" trying
to recreate Rome a new to provide a structure on
which to rebuild the old Roman religion (Religio
Romana). On example of the differences between
the two is this...
Wiccan and neopagan traditions generally celebrate
on the Solstices, Equinoxes, and the points in
between; following the Wheel of the Year. The
Nova Roma calendar of celebrations would be the
same as that of ancient Rome.
Cordius Paulus
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| Subject: |
Re: (Fwd) [Circle_Chat] Roman Pagan? {03} |
| From: |
"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:17:26 -0500 |
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On 1 Jun 99, at 6:07, Paul LeCorde wrote:
> Cordius Paulus
NUMA?!?!?!?! Be that YOU??? Looks like it's a small world after
all!! Where did you disappear to???
Crys (mother to Terry and Lapis)
Maius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia Crystallina
Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
Virgil
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| Subject: |
Fw: [novaroma] Roman Classics |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:45:40 -0400 |
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Salvete, Lucius Fannius et alii
Maybe my original post did not make the list, so here goes again...
I believe that there is a proposal to begin by reading Caesar Gallic Wars as
part of forming a Sodalitas Litterarum.
L
CAESAR
3 Volumes
VOLUME I
GALLIC WAR
Translated by H. J. Edwards
Caesar left wonderfully detailed accounts of his strategies and campaigns.
The eight books collected as The Gallic War, reporting on his conquests of
Gaul and two invasions of Britain, form an extraordinary source for military
history and a masterful narrative. Edwards includes a descriptive appendix
on the Roman army.
1917/18th printing/642 pages/7 maps/indexes
ISBN: 0 674 99080 3
Series No. 72
this would be a great book to get from the Loeb Classic Library at
<a href="http://gopher.hup.harvard.edu/Web_Loeb/Loeb.home.page.html" target="_top" >http://gopher.hup.harvard.edu/Web_Loeb/Loeb.home.page.html</a>
these are great because you get both the Latin (or Greek) and english translation on facing pages. These are a little 'pricy' $18 to $20 each, but they are
treasures to be kept and passed down the generations.
These can be ordered from Amazon.com but if you want to help Nova Roma get a
portio-------- the procedes co--------t the webmaster <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=125056250165056031072218066036129208" >webteam@--------</a> to set
it up on the site in the Macellum bookstore. I ordered my copy of Virgil's
Aeneid pt.1(and other books) this way.
Valete, L Equitius Cincinnatus
><< Also, is the Penguin Classics series any good? I've seen a lot of them
on
> amazon.com. >>
>Salve!
>You want Loab translations.
This would be Loeb...
> One page is in the language of the original
>manuscript while the other is in English. Penguin Classics are in English.
>So they are good for starting out, but there is no original language
>translation. Even in the foot notes.
>Vale!
>Q Fabius
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| Subject: |
Re: Bridging the Danube |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:05:27 -0700 |
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Salvete.
I want to thank Audens for this article, and I tender a salute to Haji (Probus?) for the
work within it that Audens points out. I find this item fascinating and would enjoy
seeing more of this work, Minucius Audens. Have you ever thought of turning you extensive
skills to a book? You give a living texture to the facts and details.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius
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| Subject: |
Re: (Fwd) [Circle_Chat] Roman Pagan? {03} |
| From: |
"Paul LeCorde" paul_lecorde@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:18:05 -0700 |
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Salute Crys!
'Tis I. I've been busy with other projects. I'm glad
to see things have worked out well for you. How are
Terry and Lapis?
Vale,
Cordius Paulus
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| Subject: |
Re: Ancient AND Modern Roma |
| From: |
Renato renato@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:02:33 +0200 |
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At 15.05 31/05/99 -0700, you wrote:
>From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
>
>a quote form the Imperial Forums page that Renato sent us:
>
> As Italian nationals and as citizens
> and administrators of Rome, we
> have the mission of preserving and disseminating knowledge
> of these records of the past. But this is not the
>heritage of a
> single city or nation; it is the heritage of mankind.
>
>"The heritage of mankind" Yep! That is what we've been saying for some
time.
Of course, but consider also that it is the speech of a politician who is
selling the product "Roma" to the millions of potential tourists around the
world.
>post scriptum:
>A curiosity prompted question for Sr. Renato. Do the family names of the
>modern natives
>of Rome follow any of the patterns that the family names of some of the
>other geographical
>regions of Italy are said to do? I have always had an interest in names.
>Grazie.
>
But this is common all over Europe, anyway nowadays Rome is a city of 3
millions inhabitants, most of them originates from all Italian provinces,
so if you take the telephone book, you can see names which originates from
all over Italy. Me for istance, I have a mother who is an original Roman,
my father was born here, but his family moved here from the province of
Ferrara .
Ciao
Renato
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| Subject: |
Parthenon |
| From: |
heckifiknow@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:34:21 +0200 |
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Salve,
hear is something I heard on another mailing list:
> THE ORTHODOX PATRIARCH ASKED THE MAYOR OF
>
> ATHENS TO TURN PARTHENON TO A.."CHRISTIAN
>
> MONUMENT" !!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> During his recent visit in Greece, the Ecumenical Patriarch of the
>
> Orthodox Churches Bartholomy, visited among others the
>
> Athenean City Hall where he was honoured by Mr Abramopoulos,
>
> the Mayor of Athens, with the Golden Key of the City. There,
>
> infront of the quorum of the City Council and the press people, the
>
> Ecumenical Patriarch gave a brief speech where among others he
>
> also exhorted the Mayor to include the famous Ancient Temple of
>
> Goddess Athena (known as Parthenon) in the planned large
>
> celebrations of the Orthodox Christians in their year "2000" and to
>
> baptize it "center of Christianity" (..)
>
>
Vale
Lucius Metellus
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| Subject: |
Re: Parthenon |
| From: |
Exitil@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:04:38 EDT |
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Uh I hope not....that would majorly suck....
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| Subject: |
Re: My Replies |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" tinnekke@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 01 Jun 1999 14:45:22 PDT |
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Salvete Omnes
As to Renato's bizarre idea that we should worship based on
ancestry...asnwer me this, Renato, what should I be...I'm Polish, Mongolian,
Abnaki, Cherokee, Irish, Pict, and Belgian.
Valete
Lucina Iunia Cypria
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| Subject: |
Re: My Replies |
| From: |
Exitil@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:11:47 EDT |
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What the heck is the "American religion" then?
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| Subject: |
Re: My Replies |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:16:37 -0700 |
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<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------; wrote:
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;
>
> What the heck is the "American religion" then?
Maybe it is the Religio!
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| Subject: |
Re: Vestalia etc |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" tinnekke@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:16:31 PDT |
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Salve
I will most certainly keep up my devotions and I will see about buying a
camera so I can take a pic of the temple/altar.
Vale
Lucina Iunia Cypria
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| Subject: |
Re: Roman Mythical Beasts |
| From: |
"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:55:11 -0400 |
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Salvete Fimbria et alii
I didn't mean that Romans had no mythical beasts in their folklore, only
that such beasts don't seem to play a huge role in the Religio Romana.
:From: <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
:
:Moravius Vado scripsit...
:
:>To the best of my knowledge as well, there are no mythical
:>beasts or zoomorphic deities in the Religio Romana...
:
:...et Marius Fimbria respondet:
:
:Perhaps not in the formal State Religio, but mythical creatures have
:always been a part of the folklore. As Dexippus has since mentioned,
:fauns and wood-spirits were widely believed-in; harpies attack the
:Trojan refugees in the Aeneid; I believe Horace and Pliny the Elder
:mention werewolves; and I am happy to report that my favorite beastie,
:the Griffin, figures prominently on carved sarcophogi (where it serves
:
Yes that's true. But, in a sort of analogous way, The US at present is
predominantly Christian, at least, it's a safe bet that of all those who
profess some kind of religious faith, the plurality belongs to Christians;
and, there are images of all sorts of imaginary creatures floating around in
US popular culture: vampires, werewolves, Frankenstein, Alien, and on and
on. Yet, it is not true that vampires, werewolves et cetera are important
features of Christianity.
And so, I believe that, while the ancients had stories involving many
mythical beasts, such as those listed by Fimbria and Dexippus, and some
people believed those stories literally, the practice of Religio Romana did
not entail belief in those stories or the mythical beasts in them.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Re: My Replies |
| From: |
"Darth Vilmur; Dark Lord of The Sith" darth_vilmur@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 01 Jun 1999 18:45:26 -0700 |
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look people,
why should we bitch and bicker about our differences over a miniscule argument
started by someone with an honest question. who cares if we are from london or
california or rome or wherever, the people on this list all signed on for the
same reason......we need not spend an eternity trying to explain it to those who
wish to cast stones. renato, i understand that you sir are from the city of rome
and many of (if not all) are not. but we all are westerners which means we are
the cultural heirs to rome.
that as i understand it is what it is all about.
we value the ideals of the ancient romans, and would like to see these ideals
restored as a prominent and valid idea in the modern world.
so if possible, let us leave this behind us and not make this meaningless
argument the defining argument of our newly reformed people...if we choose to
call ourselves (nova) romans, or hellenists, or wide eyed monkey people it
matters very little....
cassius audacia virtus californius
(or for those who wish not to recognize our identity as a restored roman people
Jeremy r.Vilmur)
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| Subject: |
Roman Personals Ad From Helena Equitia |
| From: |
"Greta Goring" gretagoring@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:12:01 PDT |
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Salvete,
I am a new citizen of Nova Roma in the gens Equitia.
I am a 27 year old Single White Roman Woman
living in California.
I am a struggling writer/"artiste".
I've been called "the most beautiful woman"
that people have ever seen.
I am still looking for that Single White Roman Man
to be my husband (& someday a father of Roman children).
I need a man who is Roman through and through,
who is devoted to both the Old Rome and the New Rome,
who loves the Gods, and who lives the Roman Virtues.
Travel/relocation not a problem at all!
If you want to get to know me, e-mail me at:
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=123212192165158072112061186101192165094048139046" >gretagoring@--------</a>
Valete, Helena Equitia Ovidia
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| Subject: |
Re: Parthenon |
| From: |
hadji hadji@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 01 Jun 1999 07:58:44 +0200 |
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Salve Pythia,
>I know a number of Hellenes who would disagree with you about that.
Exsitention of any exceptions just confirm what I have written.
I am speaking about the general mass.
>The church, incidentally, supported the Sultan.
OK, but what is a church? Is it only a patriarch in Constantinopolis, or
it is thousands of regular priests and monachs (many of them had taken
part in the Liberational war directly)?
I could understand possition of the patriarch, as any different opinion
he got, would only call for Turkish anger and the only result would be
termination of the whole church administration and not only in rebelling
Greece, but in the whole state.
>"priests" had a little business... with "Indiana Jones" types?
I agree with you.
>I agree most of these great artifacts belong back home.
I am very happy to hear that from you.
Best wishes
Alexander I.C.P.M.
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| Subject: |
Re: My Replies |
| From: |
hadji hadji@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:17:43 +0200 |
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Salve Cypria,
>My family has been Polish and Mongolian on my father's side since 13th cent. when the Mongolian invaded southern Poland. Many Polies have this heritage...
I would like to ask you if there are any documents, which approve your
Mongolian origin.
I am asking because the Mongols really invade Poland and some other
central and east european countries, but had no settlement to the west
of Volga river, Ural mount. and Cryme penincula (there must be done also
a difference between the Tatars and Mongolians). They only had attacked,
got some slaves and other propeties and return back to east. So, they
have no time to create families. Any antropology features could be
origined from the Turks (remember Turkish wars of Jan Sobieski) or other
elder tribes (Avares), which were settled in the space of southern
Poland, but not necessary Mongols.
Vale
Alexander
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| Subject: |
Re: The Bridges.. |
| From: |
hadji hadji@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:31:41 +0200 |
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Salve Ericius,
Thank you for your reply.
>But the existance of an undamaged bridge can be exploited.
Yes, I agree. Thatswhy we are here.
>that barbarian could not use it to ravage their more peacful neighbours.
Well, I agree it is a Roman view point. But some of the Gallians and
Germans had got a different opinion. What about Ariminius (during the
regn of Tiberius (?)) and Civilus during the civil war in 68-69 AD?
I am considering myself as a Roman, but I cannot help myself to feel
sympathy to these Roman enemies.
Bene vale and thank you again.
Alexander I.C.P. M.
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| Subject: |
The Bridges.. and another member of LEG I OOOPS |
| From: |
hadji hadji@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:58:28 +0200 |
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Salvete Romani,
I am very sorry.
I have forgotten a word in my last message, which change the whole
meaning of it.
Well, I agree it is a Roman view point. But some of the Gallians and
Germans had got a different opinion. What about Ariminius (during the
regn of Tiberius (?)) and Civilus during the civil war in 68-69 AD?
I am considering myself as a Roman, but I cannot help myself NOT to feel
sympathy to these Roman enemies.(So, it means I sypathize with these
persons).
Bene vale and thank you again.
Alexander I.C.P. M.
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