Subject: Re: Fwd: Computer Virus Information
From: Pythia kingan@--------
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 22:00:00 -0700


<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------; wrote:

> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;
>
> This is just a chain letter. Jeez are you really that dense?
>

Hey!! Who you callin' dense? Venator is a respected member of Nova
Roma.....how long have you been here?

Pythia





Subject: Re: Fwd: Computer Virus Information
From: Exitil@--------
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:26:37 EDT
<>

<<Also, I would appreciate if you would refrain from attempting an analysis of
my mental state from this, or any other post.>>

Sorry about that Venator, wont happen again.



Subject: Re: Roman Personals Ad From Helena Equitia
From: missmoon@--------
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:05:56 -0500 (CDT)
On 06/03/99 15:06:44 you wrote:
>
>From: Michael Cessna <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=219128020185221198218171228026247222123098100046209130" >clinkerbuilt2@--------</a>
>
> >>
> Salve, amicae...
>
> You intrigue me, my dear. I'm 32, live in Dallas, Tx, and of
>course, am a dyed-in-the-wool Roman.
>
> My main interests are History (everything, not just Roma), military
>science (which, of course, got its start in Rome), and cooking (hey,
>everybody needs a hobby!).
>
> Feel free to email, romantically, or just to chat. I'd be available
>on ICQ, or some such, but I work nights..............
>
I'm all for love and stuff...
but isn't this supposed to be private e-mail? Are personal ads supposed to be on the website or something?

If you guys decide on cybersex, are you gonna do it here? I guess that should boost our membership!

-- Flavia Claudia





Subject: Re: Fwd: Computer Virus Information
From: megas-robinson amgunn@--------
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 00:34:14 -0700
Salve Alexander Novus, (is that correct?)

<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------; wrote:
>
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;
>
> <>
>
> <<Also, I would appreciate if you would refrain from attempting an analysis of
> my mental state from this, or any other post.>>
>
> Sorry about that Venator, wont happen again.
>
Accepted, peace is between us again.

In Amicus - Venator



Subject: Re: Roman Personals Ad From Helena Equitia
From:
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 03:17:41 EDT
In a message dated 6/3/99 10:06:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> wr--------:

<< If you guys decide on cybersex, are you gonna do it here? I guess that
should boost our membership!

-- Flavia Claudia >>

Salvete
I'm with Flavia Claudia here. If ads are placed on the list, they should be
responded to by private e-mail. My mailbox fills up fast enough as it is.
Valete
Q Fabius



Subject: Eagle
From: missmoon@--------
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 02:28:15 -0500 (CDT)
To all you faithful subscribers --
the Eagle is going out a little late this month.
You don't want to miss our first-ever Roman Centerfold!

Flavia Claudia





Subject: Re: Eagle
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:46:26 EDT
In a message dated 6/4/99 3:28:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> wr--------:

<< You don't want to miss our first-ever Roman Centerfold! >>

Who is it? Lucius Cincinnatis? : P~~~

--Dexippus



Subject: Re: My Replies
From: Tinnekke Bebout tinnekke@--------
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 09:23:57 PDT
Pythia

My family has been Polish and Mongolian on my father's side since the 13th
century when the Mongols invaded southern Poland. Many Poles have this
heritage and their blood has been mixed for a long time. Same with the
Spanish in the areas that were under Moorish control. And we won't even
start into the various blendings of Ireland and Scotland. Or England for
that matter... you may be of one nationality.... but I sincerely doubt there
is anyone of one blood. And even that is not always so... what of the
various Jewish immigrants here and there or the displacement that has
happened due to European wars... the homogeneity that he talks about is more
myth than fact.

Vale

Cypria


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Subject: Re: My Replies
From: Tinnekke Bebout tinnekke@--------
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 09:28:55 PDT

>No, you are American.
>
>Ciao
>Renato
And Americans have had diverse religions from the word go... we have never
been homogenous, no matter how hard various factions tried...

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Subject: Re: My Personals Ad
From: Greta Goring gretagoring@--------
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 10:37:12 PDT
Salvete,

Given the recent "concern" about my ad,
I want to make one thing perfectly clear.

Would any Roman man who is seriously
interested in me please respond PRIVATELY
to my private e-mail address?
(It is there for all to see!)

I will NOT carry on a relationship
via the Nova Roma e-mail list.

Valete, Helena Equitia


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Subject: Re: Vestals
From: Tinnekke Bebout tinnekke@--------
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:36:15 PDT
Salve Flavia Claudia

I know I heard from you. I'm talking about hearing back from them since the
last time it was discussed with the Pontifex Maximus. Back when we were
first discussing the restoration of the Vestals, I was one of those who were
stating that keeping to the old ways was going to be a bad idea since it
meant a very limited number of candidates and a large likelihood that
suitable people would not be found who would want to be a Vestal. I haven't
restated it since then, since there seemed to be confusion over what rules
we were supposed to abide by if we wanted to be part of it...the question of
celibacy vs chastity. I was waiting to hear if that had been hashed out
before suggesting anything.
Apparently it has been my mistake to not make my opposition to the entire
idea of restoring the Vestals under rules that to me were a convenience in
Roma Mater that we don't have. The Vestals of Roma Mater were brought in as
pre-pubescent girls. We are talking here of grown women, many of whom have
relationships. It is not the same situation, and we also do not have the
legal status of chattel of our husbands as Roman matrons had. It was an
advantage to have a group with as many responsibilities as the Vestals be
outside the control of husband or father back then. It's not the same
situation and a woman in any situation is her own person (at least I would
hope so) and does not fall under a situation where she is her husband's or
father's property and hence controlled by him.
If we wish to keep the Vestals as a viable group, we need to allow for
modern reality. Others argue that the class division of Rome we have kept is
unnecessary but no one except a scant few are willing to admit that the
celibacy of the Vestals is just as unnecessary.
If anything, since my dedication to Vesta, I have been even more energized
in certain ways. If She wants me to be celibate, she could diminish any
desire I have not to be.

Vale
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Subject: chain letters
From: missmoon@--------
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:47:34 -0500 (CDT)
On 06/03/99 21:08:53 you wrote:
>
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;
>
>This is just a chain letter. Jeez are you really that dense?

This list is usually busy enough as it is.
What we probably don't need is cutesy "have a nice day" chain letters loaded with links to sweetsy
graphics.

Anything informational or historical is welcome. Anything witty is nice (like gens Cassia's Official Anthem
or the Buff Barbarian song). Actual communication between Citizens is interesting. Anything
argumentative is par for the course. But who needs more spam?

-- Flavia Claudia






Subject: Re: Vestals
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:12:32 EDT
In a message dated 6/4/99 3:36:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a> writes:

<< Others argue that the class division of Rome we have kept is
unnecessary but no one except a scant few are willing to admit that the
celibacy of the Vestals is just as unnecessary. >>

I say it's unnecessary! Hell...I offered that perhaps by now Venus and Vesta
had a nice little girl talk about this whole celibacy thing.

--Dexippus

"Where does one go now adays to find a virgin fit for sacrifice?"



Subject: Re: Vestals
From: missmoon@--------
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:13:26 -0500 (CDT)
On 06/04/99 12:36:15 you wrote:
>
>From: Tinnekke Bebout <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a>
>
>Salve Flavia Claudia
>
>I know I heard from you. I'm talking about hearing back from them since the
>last time it was discussed with the Pontifex Maximus. Back when we were
>first discussing the restoration of the Vestals, I was one of those who were
>stating that keeping to the old ways was going to be a bad idea since it
>meant a very limited number of candidates and a large likelihood that
>suitable people would not be found who would want to be a Vestal.

And you were right! Obviously.

I haven't
>restated it since then, since there seemed to be confusion over what rules
>we were supposed to abide by if we wanted to be part of it...the question of
>celibacy vs chastity. I was waiting to hear if that had been hashed out
>before suggesting anything.

Currently, there is no confusion because the charter for the Vestal Order is pretty clear.
It may not be what we want it to be, but it's been accepted by the Pontifices and has been in force for a
while. You have no idea what it took to get THAT far. It was the best compromise we could come up
with, since Germanicus was almost immovable on the subject of preferring to recruit young girls for the
Nova Roma Vestals -- something that probably would have landed us on Page One of the tabloids, even if
the young ladies volunteered on their own to remain celibate until marraige. "Cult Drafting Young Girls for
Pagan Rites!" Historically, he was perfectly accurate. Realistically, I think he was off the mark But we all
compromised on the present charter.

>Apparently it has been my mistake to not make my opposition to the entire
>idea of restoring the Vestals under rules that to me were a convenience in
>Roma Mater that we don't have. The Vestals of Roma Mater were brought in as
>pre-pubescent girls. We are talking here of grown women, many of whom have
>relationships. It is not the same situation, and we also do not have the
>legal status of chattel of our husbands as Roman matrons had. It was an
>advantage to have a group with as many responsibilities as the Vestals be
>outside the control of husband or father back then. It's not the same
>situation and a woman in any situation is her own person (at least I would
>hope so) and does not fall under a situation where she is her husband's or
>father's property and hence controlled by him.

Still, I don't think married women are good candidates for Vestals. The Vestals may not have been
controlled by husbands or fathers, but were controlled by the Pontifex Maximus acting in loco parentis.
Although I must say that I never got any interference from OUR PM, probably because he values his
gonads.

>If we wish to keep the Vestals as a viable group, we need to allow for
>modern reality. Others argue that the class division of Rome we have kept is
>unnecessary but no one except a scant few are willing to admit that the
>celibacy of the Vestals is just as unnecessary.

Yes, and the scant few are the men who made the decision. I'm the only woman in the Senate and the
only woman in the College of Pontifices -- and I'm a non-voting member there. Personally, I have a
problem with men deciding women's issues and women's spirituality. But the historical roots of the Vestals
go to King Numa. (Mostly to keep his daughter away from guys, so the story goes.) That isn't to say that
Numa didn't appropriate an earlier women's cult as a model.

>If anything, since my dedication to Vesta, I have been even more energized
>in certain ways. If She wants me to be celibate, she could diminish any
>desire I have not to be.

Well, that would hardly make it a sacrifice, would it?

-- Claudia





Subject: Religio Romana
From: Exitil@--------
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 17:04:34 EDT
Perhaps we could just separate the religion from the nation? Would encourage
more non-pagans to join and would decrease the change of Nova Roma being
called a cult.



Subject: Re: Vestals
From: missmoon@--------
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:13:02 -0500 (CDT)
On 06/04/99 12:36:15 you wrote:
>
>It is not the same situation, and we also do not have the
>legal status of chattel of our husbands as Roman matrons had. It was an
>advantage to have a group with as many responsibilities as the Vestals be
>outside the control of husband or father back then. It's not the same
>situation and a woman in any situation is her own person (at least I would
>hope so) and does not fall under a situation where she is her husband's or
>father's property and hence controlled by him.

It's not so much a matter of control.
A married woman was supposed to be tending her OWN household's hearth. She could hardly be
expected to tend to the duties of her own house AND the State hearth.

Whereas a Vestal, as an unmarried woman, had no responsibility to tend a family and home, and was
perfectly free to spend her time in service of the State religion. Which is why our current charter refers to
a woman with no husband, no kids at home, and no live-in other -- such a woman is free for service to
the State.

So it kind of comes down to the responsibilities of a woman's own household. If you're responsible for a
household of your own, the assumption is that you are not free to give your undivided attention to the
State "household" because your first duty is -- rightly -- to your own house. Remember the sacred nature
Romans attached to family life.

I know -- women these days have to hold down a job, tend a household, AND take care of the kids. SHE
gets home from work, picks up the kids at day care and starts dinner. HE gets home from work and
watches "the game". (I'm KIDDING, guys! We all know who takes care of the toddlers in a certain Consul's
house...!)

-- Flavia Claudia





Subject: Re: Religio Romana
From: missmoon@--------
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:20:56 -0500 (CDT)
On 06/04/99 17:04:34 you wrote:
>
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;
>
>Perhaps we could just separate the religion from the nation? Would encourage
>more non-pagans to join and would decrease the change of Nova Roma being
>called a cult.

Why would we want to "encourage more non-pagans to join"?
People join if they want to. We don't ask what their religion is. If they don't agree with what's on the web
page as far as religion, they can go elsewhere.

I'm really hoping this is the LAST message we hear from you on this subject. (Yeah, right.) It's obvious that
you have a problem with paganism and Nova Roma, but it's YOUR problem, not ours. We are what we
are, and we've been that way since the inception of Nova Roma.


-- Flavia Claudia





Subject: Re: Roman Personals Ad From Helena Equitia
From: "legate" legate@--------
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 17:58:06 -0400

> I'm all for love and stuff...
> but isn't this supposed to be private e-mail? Are personal ads supposed to
be on the website or something?
>
> If you guys decide on cybersex, are you gonna do it here? I guess that
should boost our membership!
>
> -- Flavia Claudia
>

I have to agree ( I can throw my two cents in now that I am a citizen -
;-) ). I was going to tell the original author of the Personal Ad to show a
little 'Pudicita' as well - no lack of confidence in that ad, sheesh...

Publius Varrus




Subject: virus & density
From: Patrick Dunn saevvs@--------
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 15:17:04 PDT

>
>Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:08:53 EDT
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Computer Virus Information
>
>This is just a chain letter. Jeez are you really that dense?
>
>

As the grumpy and frequently silent Paterfamilias of the gens Gladia, I
assure you that Venetor is quite intelligent.

However, it does remain that this nameless one is right: this is just a
chain letter. There is no such virus; in fact, it's not possible for a
virus to "infect your pointer device" (what's to infect? It's a ball and
some wheels!), or eat all programs but stop after devouring 5 megs. . . I
don't know about you, but I have single programs on my computer several
*times* five megs in size.

The only way to get a virus from your email is if you *download an
executable file!* Keep this in miind, and it will save you from the
annoyance of chain letters forever.

--M. Gladius Saevus


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Subject: Re: Religio Romana
From: "Lucius" vergil@--------
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:26:11 -0400
From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;

Perhaps we could just separate the religion from the nation? Would
encourage
more non-pagans to join and would decrease the change of Nova Roma being
called a cult.


>From: Pythia <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200176234108158116015132190036129" >kingan@--------</a>
>>
>> I'm really hoping this is the LAST message we hear from you on this
subject. (Yeah, right.) It's obvious that
>> you have a problem with paganism and Nova Roma, but it's YOUR problem,
not ours. We are what we
>> are, and we've been that way since the inception of Nova Roma.
>>
>> -- Flavia Claudia
>>
>Thank-you Claudia. Short and to the point! (And much more diplomatic than
I would have been!;-)
>
>Pythia
>
Salvete, Omnes

I think what annoys me most is the person doesn't begin with a
greeting or end with a fair well and there is no name. Just some ill
considered opinion ejaculated.
I wish it would go somewhere else to perfom it's electronic fornication.

Valete, Lucius Equitius, Civis (citizen)




Subject: Re: virus & density
From: Megas-Robinson amgunn@--------
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 18:39:34 -0700
Ave Saevus!

Intelligent, maybe - inattentive, quite abit. Seeing pointing device here
put me in mind of driver files being corrupted, and I thought of the
possibility that one could get infection, like some websites automatically
bounce you to other pages without "web-surfer" input. Ach so, I'm a
computer user, not a computer techie.

Patrick Dunn wrote:
>
> As the grumpy and frequently silent Paterfamilias of the gens Gladia, I
> assure you that Venetor is quite intelligent.
>
> However, it does remain that this nameless one is right: this is just a
> chain letter. There is no such virus; in fact, it's not possible for a
> virus to "infect your pointer device" (what's to infect? It's a ball
> and some wheels!), or eat all programs but stop after devouring 5 megs.
> . . I don't know about you, but I have single programs on my computer
> several *times* five megs in size.
>
> The only way to get a virus from your email is if you *download an
> executable file!* Keep this in miind, and it will save you from the
> annoyance of chain letters forever.
>
> --M. Gladius Saevus

Mille gratias for the informational content. I'm better armed for future
"alerts" from friends.

In Amicus - Venator



Subject: Re: Help Wanted
From: Tinnekke Bebout tinnekke@--------
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 17:03:41 PDT
Salve

Gangalius, I'm so sorry. I know I volunteered to help, but as I told you..(I
hope you got it anyways... days seem to blend right now) I now have a new
job (yay!!!!) which is great since I'm not poor anymore but bad because I'm
now working ridiculous hours while we do a huge upgrade of our system (we're
hiring 300 people and they all nwill need computers and you can imagine what
a tripling of the load will do to what we have) So right now helping won't
happen...by the time i get home I can't look at another computer I have gone
from famine to feast work wise.....If you still need help once this is done
I'll be happy to

Vale
Cypria


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Subject: Re: Religio Romana
From: jmath669642reng@--------)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:37:12 -0400 (EDT)
Hmmmmmmmm!!! Our "friend" just don't get it does he? Religio Romana is
part and parcel of this micronation. It isnt going to be separated, or
trimmed, or put in the background, or any other scheme to hide it from
the view of those who do not understand it.

Folks, I think we have heard all this before, and it sounds like the
same old saw. Some child who does not have the ability to absorb that
he / she is beginning to irritate will continue with this trend, until
action is taken.

Personnally, I am getting a little tired, of this constant questioning
of the NR ideals and ideas. I strongly recommend that if anyone on this
list does not wish to interest themselves in the Religio Romana, that
they leave the subject alone. Continual nipping at the subject is
neither desired, nor tolerated by those who are adherents, Personages
not capable of understanding the simple instructions on the Web Page,
must learn in other ways.

Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!





Subject: Dinners
From: jmath669642reng@--------)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:43:38 -0400 (EDT)
We should also know who prepares the weekday dinners for the family of
Marcus Audens, whose wife works to keep him in the manner to which he
has become accustomed as well as arrange the transportation to and from
strange and exotic placeslike "Southern Maryland!!!" (<Grin>) See you
there Gang!

Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!





Subject: Re: Vestals
From: Tinnekke Bebout tinnekke@--------
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 19:15:24 PDT
Salve Dexi
I know hon that's why I did note that some had agreed, i couldnt remember
who all so I just left it vague...sorry if you think I was including you
with those who didnt say anything...I agree with you, Venus and Vesta need
to have a chat if they haven't already. As i said previously, it seems to me
that they have...Vesta certainly hasn't done anything to kill my libido.
Vale
Cypria


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Subject: Re: Vestals
From: Tinnekke Bebout tinnekke@--------
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 19:24:10 PDT

>Yes, and the scant few are the men who made the decision. I'm the only
>woman in the Senate and the
>only woman in the College of Pontifices -- and I'm a non-voting member
>there. Personally, I have a
>problem with men deciding women's issues and women's spirituality. But the
>historical roots of the Vestals
>go to King Numa. (Mostly to keep his daughter away from guys, so the story
>goes.) That isn't to say that
>Numa didn't appropriate an earlier women's cult as a model.
i agree that I don't like men making decisions about women's spirituality.
>
> >If anything, since my dedication to Vesta, I have been even more
>energized
> >in certain ways. If She wants me to be celibate, she could diminish any
> >desire I have not to be.
>
>Well, that would hardly make it a sacrifice, would it?
Who says it is a sacrifice She wants? Since I self-dedicated, I have asked
Her time and again what she wants from me as part of Her service...that' why
I made the comment about it... if She wanted me to be celibate She could
easily make it known to me by diminishing my drive, even for a day or so
just to get the message across... hasn't happened... I've scryed...I've
asked others to scry...no one is getting that answer... and until I get
it... I'm not doing it...I feel as if the nightly worship I have given Her
has been inspired by Her since I leave it to the moment to do what I do...
it's been very similar every night... I light Her candle first, then I
anoint myself with a special oil I made, cleanse myself with smoke, do an
extemporaneous chant to her (which is starting to have common themes), burn
incense to Her as an offering while asking Her blessing upon Nova Roma, my
family, and myself, chant some more, thank Her for Her blessings and then
put out the candle using my knife blade (I feel that blowing the flame out
is discourteous both to Vesta and to the flame spirit...using the knife
blade lets it channel into a consecrated instrument.)
Vale
Cypria
>
>-- Claudia


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Subject: Citizenship! YES
From: william wheeler wuffa@--------
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 20:10:09 -0700
Salve Romei
Marcus Cornelius Felix sends Greeting to all in Nova Roma
I am now a Citizen



My heart thank you to Marcus Cassius Julianus
Senator, Censor, Proconsul, Pontifex Maximus


Vale




Subject: Re: Citizenship! YES
From: Razenna razenna@--------
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 20:39:06 -0700
Salutations, Felicitations, Congratulations, M. Cornelius Felix!
I pray your time is Nova Roma is rewarding. Feel free to contact me about anything.
I might even be able to be of assistance.

Vale, Quirite.

C. Aelius Ericius
Propraetor of California Provincia
Pontiff
Paterfamilias gens Aelia




Subject: Re: virus & density
From: missmoon@--------
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:07:11 -0500 (CDT)
On 06/04/99 18:39:34 you wrote:
>
>From: Megas-Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
>>
>Mille gratias for the informational content. I'm better armed for future
>"alerts" from friends.

Hey, at least your intentions were good, and you were trying to help everyone out.
Don't apologize for that!

-- Flavia Claudia





Subject: Re: Citizenship! YES
From: Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:11:21 -0700 (PDT)
Salve, Marce Corneli.

Welcome to Nova Roma, and congratulations on becoming a citizen!

Vale,
Marcus Martianus Gangalius
Aedilis Curule et Vebsitarius Maximus


At 08:10 PM 6/4/99 -0700, william wheeler wrote:
>From: w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a>
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>Salve Romei
>Marcus Cornelius Felix sends Greeting to all in Nova Roma
>I am now a Citizen
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>My heart thank you to Marcus Cassius Julianus
>Senator, Censor, Proconsul, Pontifex Maximus
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>Vale
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