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Re: The After Life |
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"Paul LeCorde" paul_lecorde@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 06 Jun 1999 00:18:00 -0700 |
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There were various beliefs about afterlife in ancient
Rome. The general view was that the afterlife is gray
and dull. That's why the souls of the dead were called
Shades. The description given by Flavia Claudia is
very good. If I may add this...
the spirit that guides the dead to the Underworld is
the god Mercury (Hermes Psychopompus). And the
customary coin is made of bronze. (Bronze coins are
hard to find nowadays too.) The bronze coin was the AS,
wasn't it. If the dead person had no payment, s/he had
to wander around the shore of the Styx for 100 years
before Charon would ferry them across to the other
side.
Beyond that, the Epicureans tended to believe that
death was the end and there was nothing more. The
Neo-Platonists and Pythagoreans believed in
reincarnation and that if one could live 3 virtuous
lives, he would live in the Elysian Fields forever.
Some Stoics seemed to follow the former view and some
the latter.
For a good description of the Roman view of the
afterlife you could check out chapter 4 of the Aeneid
about 3/4 in beginning with...
And now Aeneas saw at the remote vale-head
A hidden grove and woodland-rustling spinneys,
And saw the River Lethe as it flowed
By these abodes of peace. And round about it
Hovered the souls of countless tribes and peoples
Like bees in the fields of a fine summertide....
Vale,
Cordius Paulus
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coin, an
>obolus, will have been placed in your former body's mouth to pay Charon (although an aurus gets you a
>better seat in the boat, some believed). This payment was not representative of money so much as of the
>relationship between god and man, acknowledging your debt to the gods and their protection and
>guidance to you.
>
>On the other side of Styx, you will pass Cerberus, the three-headed watchdog belonging to Father Dis,
>god of the Underworld. Cerberus will be friendly -- he only becomes UNfriendly when shades try to get
>OUT of the Underworld unauthorized.
>
>You will go before the three judges, Minos, Rhadamanthos and Aeacus, who will ask you to account for
>your life. After you've made your accounting, you will be given the water of the River Lethe, the river of
>forgetfulness and one of five Rivers in the Underworld, which makes you forget your past life. You will be
>sent to the Elysian Fields (a version of paradise) if you've been a warrior or hero; The Plain of Asphodel, if
>you've been a good citizen, where you will continue to l
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| Subject: |
Re: The After Life |
| From: |
"Paul LeCorde" paul_lecorde@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 06 Jun 1999 00:23:07 -0700 |
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Salute!
There were various beliefs about afterlife in ancient Rome. The general
view was that the afterlife is gray and dull. That's why the souls of
the dead were called Shades. The description given by Flavia Claudia
is very good. If I may add this...
the spirit that guides the dead to the Underworld is
the god Mercury (Hermes Psychopompus). And the customary coin is made of
Bronze. (Bronze coins are hard to find nowadays too.) If the dead person
had no payment, s/he had to wander around the shore of the Styx for 100
years before Charon would ferry them across to the other side.
Beyond that, the Epicureans tended to believe that death was the end and
there was nothing more. The Neo-Platonists and Pythagoreans believed in
reincarnation and that if one could live 3 virtuous lives, he would live
in the Elysian Fields forever. Some Stoics seemed to follow the former
view and some the latter.
For a good description of the Roman view of the afterlife you could check out
chapter 4 of the Aeneid about 3/4 in beginning with...
And now Aeneas saw at the remote vale-head
A hidden grove and woodland-rustling spinneys,
And saw the RIver Lethe as it flowed
By these abodes of peace. And round about it
Hovered the souls of countless tribes and peoples
Like bees in the fields of a fine summertide....
Vale,
Cordius Paulus
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| Subject: |
Re: A wedding announcement |
| From: |
"Paul LeCorde" paul_lecorde@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 06 Jun 1999 00:30:35 -0700 |
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Congratulations Crys!
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| Subject: |
Re: A wedding announcement |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 6 Jun 1999 07:23:46 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salvete, Maius Cornelius Mamertinus et Amethystia Iunia Crystallina.
Gratulationes! May the Gods smile upon your union!
Vale,
Marcus Martianus Gangalius et Gaia Martiana Gangalia
At 11:36 PM 6/5/99 -0500, Don and Crys Meaker wrote:
>From: "Don and Crys Meaker" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a>
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>Salvete,
>
>Although many of you already know, or suspected, I am finally
>announcing publicly that the wedding of Gaius Cornelius
>Mamertinus and myself will be held on 18 June 1999.
>
>So many of you know what my life has been the last year or better.
> I am now happier than I have been in my life. I have my Miracle
>(Terry) my Gift (Lapis) and my Reward (Don). I never thought I
>would ever be this happy.
>
>Crys (and Don)
>Maius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia Crystallina
>
>Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach
the ways of peace.
>Virgil
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| Subject: |
Re: A wedding announcement |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:36:58 EDT |
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Salvete Omnes,
At the risk of posting merely a "me too" letter, I also extend warm
congratulations and fondest wishes toward Maius Cornelius Mamertinus and
Amethystia Iunia Crystallina!
May their life together be blessed by mutual respect and affection, and by
the Gods of Rome! :)
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: The After Life |
| From: |
"Paul LeCorde" paul_lecorde@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 06 Jun 1999 09:01:02 -0700 |
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Sorry for posting the same message twice. I had
some connection problems last night and didn't
realize the first post actuallly went.
Also the quote to read from the Aeneid is from
chapter VI (6) not IV (4). Sorry again.
>For a good description of the Roman view of the afterlife you could check out
>chapter 4 of the Aeneid about 3/4 in beginning with...
>
>And now Aeneas saw at the remote vale-head
>A hidden grove and woodland-rustling spinneys,
>And saw the RIver Lethe as it flowed
>By these abodes of peace. And round about it
>Hovered the souls of countless tribes and peoples
>Like bees in the fields of a fine summertide....
Vale,
Cordius Paulus
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| Subject: |
Re: The After Life |
| From: |
"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:24:48 -0400 |
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Salvete Claudia et alii
Thanks for that fascinating summary.
About 99% of this picture sounds to me like it was borrowed from the Greeks.
Now, I understand that a lot of the Religio Romana was borrowed from the
Greeks, but far from all of it; the gods and goddesses of the Religio
Romana, I thought, were already worshipped in Latium as faceless spirits
before there was significant contact with Greeks.
Was there any concept of an afterlife before the Greek influence entered the
picture?
Also, by Cicero's time, how many people, do you think, believed in the
Elysian Fields, Cerberus and other elements of the afterlife as you've
described it?
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
:From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a>
:
::Ooh,ooh! I can answer this one! Dis Pater is one of my patron gods...
:
:When you die ("you" being a good Roman of the Religion persuasion), you are
escorted to the River Styx
:Dis, while he is God of the Underworld, is NOT the God of Death. He does
not decide who lives and
:dies. Instead, this is determined by the Three Fates. However, Dis does
dispatch the god of death, Mors
:or Thanatos, to do his duty. He also has some connection with Morpheus, god
of dreams.
:
:Interestingly, Dis Pater is the only god with no name. He is known by the
name of his kingdom: Hades,
:Pluto, or Dis, all of which refer to the secret riches of the earth.
:
:-- Flavia Claudia
:
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| Subject: |
Re: religiosity survey |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 06 Jun 1999 23:28:33 -0700 |
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Avete Omnes!
This person is doing a (hopefully) minimally biased survey on individual
"religiosity." I took the suvey, which consisits of 100 questions. The
surveyer expresses that her site does not take any information except that
which is actually given. (in re: no "cookies!")
In Amicus - Venator
>
> This is the researcher's e-mail
> <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=051212020112175132172098085091130151177005057196000130152150" >Kristina_DeNeve@--------</a>
> This is the survey URL
> <a href="http://Diogenes.Baylor.edu/Internet_Phase1" target="_top" >http://Diogenes.Baylor.edu/Internet_Phase1</a>
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