Forum Romanum


Subject:	Re: Fait Accompli
From:	Decius Iunius Palladius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 03:08:43 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132233234213056031213038109248147208071048" >Donme--------@--------</--------; wrote:

> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132233234213056031213038109248147208071048" >Donme--------@--------</--------;
>
> Well, I am afraid that we are very impulsive.
>
> Crys and I were married last night. Our plans for a ceremony on Father's day
> weekend were not working out because one of our children was not available.
> We decided that the most important thing was that we were present. The
> ceremony took place at 11PM on 10 June, on our patio, under a clear sky with
> stars. We winged the vows and spoke from our hearts. A grasshopper flitted
> in, announcing the presence and approval of the Gods. Then we did all the
> paper work, nice and legal. The bride wore purple, and the groom was
> resplendent in denim. We are now awaiting for our rings to arrive in the
> mail, and we will have a second ceremony to consecrate them.

May the Gods bless the impulsive! You both have my blessing. Take care of
each other.

Affectionately,

Palladius

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Non scholae sed vitae discimus.

Seneca

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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.


Subject:	Re: Salvete omnes!
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:27:51 +0100

Salve Vopisca

In fact I had already found your site and have sent you email about Nova
Roma.

Vale

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Aedilis Plebis et Propraetor Lusitaniae

-----Original Message-----
From: Joan Lansberry and Julia Ca-------- <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=123166235078158198015102190036129" >gallae@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 4:09 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Salvete omnes!

>From: Joan Lansberry and Julia Ca-------- <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=123166235078158198015102190036129" >gallae@--------</a>
>
>By way of introduction, I am VOPISCA IVLIA GALLA,
><<a href="http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/julia.htm" target="_top" >http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/julia.htm</a>> new to the sodality of Nova
>Roma, but since childhood, an ardent lover of Roman civilization, history,
>and culture. I am deeply honored to walk in your presence and share in this
>timely rebirth of the venerable genius (iuno) of Roma. Gaius Iulius
>Iulianus met with us about four years ago in Tucson, shortly before we
>moved to Casa Grande. We had lost contact in the interim, so I was thrilled
>to discover the NR website two weeks ago! Though I naturally feel close
>ties with Gens Iulia <<a href="http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/nrgiulia.htm" target="_top" >http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/nrgiulia.htm</a>> the
>Pontifex Maximus has suggested that I petition to fill the niche of the
><i>Battakes</i> of Cybele's Gallae
><http:/www.azstarnet.com/~gallae/images.htm> in Rome, appropriate to the
>special history of my family <<a href="http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/index.htm" target="_top" >http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/index.htm</a>.>
>I've already had the pleasure of meeting a few of the Cives in the Forum
>Romanum chat and delighting in your comments on this list.
><<a href="http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/nrlinks.htm" target="_top" >http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/nrlinks.htm</a>> is a page of links and
>books on Via Romana which I hope to continually expand and improve as a
>shared resource.
>
>* BENE VALE IN PACE DEORVM ET IN AMORE MATRIS MAGNAE DINDYMENE *
>
> Soror vestra, IVLIA
>
> * * *
>Colloquy: <<a href="http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/colloquy.htm" target="_top" >http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/colloquy.htm</a>>
>Joan's "A Tale Told With Time":
><<a href="http://www.azstarnet.com/~gallae/jurnndex.htm" target="_top" >http://www.azstarnet.com/~gallae/jurnndex.htm</a>>
>Julia: <<a href="http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/julia.htm" target="_top" >http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/julia.htm</a>>
>Joan's "Out On a Limb":<<a href="http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/joanalll.html" target="_top" >http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/joanalll.html</a>>
>
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Subject:	P.S.
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:29:03 +0100

In sententia mea, ad nunc comitiae perfectae esse debent.
Quid siste Senatus?

Antonius Gryllus Graecus


Subject:	Bellow
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:41:01 -0500 (CDT)

In a 1970 essay, Saul Bellow wrote:

"This society, like decadent Rome, is an amusement society. That is the grim fact. Art cannot and should not
compete with amusement."

Odd comparison, I thought.

-- Flavia Claudia


Subject:	Hercules
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:51:27 -0500 (CDT)

Quite by accident, I assure you, I watched the cartoon TV show "Disney's Hercules" this morning while
getting dressed. It was actually kinda cute. Hercules was attending a festival called "Titan-Smitin' Day" which
commemorates Zeus' overcoming the Titans. They had "Hurl the Thunderbolt" games, Chariot ferris wheels,
the Aegean Adventure Boat Ride, and the Haunted Forum spook house.

If I had little kids, I guess I'd rather have them watching this than some of that other cartoon junk. Might get
the kiddies interested in reading the real stories.

-- Flavia Claudia


Subject:	Re: P.S.
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:36:06 -0400

Salvete, Omnes

>From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
>
>In sententia mea, ad nunc comitiae perfectae esse debent.
>Quid siste Senatus?
>
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus

>M.C. Felix sends greeting to the Romai
>so how did Roman Days go?
>
The event went very well, the weather was nice but we began to get heavy
rain
Sunday afternoon. There will be more info and hopefully many pictures
coming. I will be taking the film in today to be processed. I hope to have
some good things to post on the website tonight or tomorrow.
>*Starting the campaign*

>"In sententia mea, ad nunc comitiae perfectae esse debent.
>Quid siste Senatus?"

If you will read the Nova Roma Constitution, you will see that the Senate
has NO responsibility for the forming of the Tribes Or Centuries. Tribes
and Centuries are determined by the Censores.
<a href="http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/constitution.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/constitution.html</a>

Article III: Magistrates
Sec.5.Two Censors shall be elected every five years, but may only be elected
from among those individuals who had formerly held the office of Consul.
Each Censor shall have the following powers:
2. administer the policies and procedures for attaining Citizenship;
3.maintain lists of Citizens and appropriate information concerning them
(addresses, etc.)

Article IV: The Comitiae and Elections
1.The comitia populi is convened by either a Consul or Praetor Urbanis.
<snip>It shall be made up of thirty tribes, the composition of which shall
be determined by the Censors, but shall be made up of all Citizens of Nova
Roma, regardless of class...
2.The comitia centuriata is convened by a Consul. <snip>It shall be made up
of one hundred and eighteen centuries, the composition of which shall be
determined by the Censors, but shall be made up of all Citizens of Nova
Roma, regardless of class...
3.The comitia plebis is convened by a Tribune of the Plebs. <snip>It shall
be made up of thirty five tribes, the composition of which shall be
determined by the Censors, but which shall be made up exclusively of all
Citizens from the Plebian class...

Valete, Consul L Equitius


Subject:	Re: I Am Here!
From:	Tinnekke Bebout tinnekke@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:04:35 PDT

Salve Nocta
Welcome to the US. I hope you'll be very happy here.
Vale
Cypria

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Subject:	Re: Patriarch
From:	Nicolaus Moravius n_moravius@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:09:08 PDT

Salvete!

Gratias ago to Propraetor Graecus for forwarding this...

>-----Original Message-----
>From: aias olympiodoros <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=243176113112067135170082190036" >aias1@--------</a>
>To: amg <amg>
>Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:43 PM
>Subject: Re: Patriarch

> Dear Antonio
>
> The patriarch of Constantinople is the summit of the orthodox
>christian world, something like the pope of Rome, only he has seniority
>over the pope.

- What?! 'Primus inter pares'?! How many Pontifices Maximes can one religion
have?! ;-P

>What he exactly said is that the Acropolis of Athens should become >the
>symbole of the nation, because Paul gave a discourse before >the Athenians
>at the Areios Pagos.

- I'm confused, here. The Areios Pagos (Areopagus) is not the Acropolis, any
more than the Palatinum is the Capitolium. It seems a very tenuous reason to
me, to make one sacred hill a focus of national identity because something
happened on another hill next to it ):-(.

>The christians are terrified at the possibility that the traditional
> >Hellenic religious movement will manifest itself at the Olympics of
> >2004, and that we may ask to get our temples back.

- If a Christian organisation, purporting to follow the precepts of a
teacher who reportedly said: 'My kingdom is not of this world', feels it
needs to invest its political, worldly aspirations in a pagan religious
artefact, it must be in a very bad way indeed. No doubt some Orthodox
believers are feeling embarrassed by the Patriarch's expressed intentions,
though. Well, whatever... the Patriarch (and pagans) may propose, but
surely Pallas will dispose?

Valete bene in pace deorum,

Vado.


Subject:	OT: Internet Hoaxes, some info
From:	Megas-Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:58:18 -0700

Avate Omnes!

Rumor was running around that the USPS wanted to try and get the US Congress
to let them set a charge on e-mails. This was sent by a friend who gets an
Internet rumor control newsletter. Thought it might be of interest.

Vale - Venator

> ... the info ... on proposed charge for e-mail and the supposed "Bill
> 602P." The bill does not exist. Nor does Rep. Tony Schnell (R).
> I have sent you a bill finder. Just type in the number and see!
> I have sent you the list of all members of both houses.
> Last, the hard working, under paid attorney Mr. Stepp,
Venii: source named in -hoax-
> might do better if he got a phone, just a thought!
> When I printed this e-mail to do the search I found an address for the
> law firm that Mr. Stepp works for. After being unable to find them on
> the web...and not wanting to leave it to that, as businesses often are
> hard to nail down ...I called information in Vienna, Va. and guess
> what? No listing!
>
> So, for what it is worth, my take on is: Not only did someone make it
> up but they went to great lengths to protect themselves from using a
> name in congress or in the phone book. Somebody did their homework!
>
> All things being equal...I would say this is a very elaborate joke!
> Funny but, I'm not laughing. Jan
> **************************
> <a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.html" target="_top" >http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.html</a>
> Click here: THOMAS -- U.S. Congress on the Internet
> <a href="http://clerkweb.house.gov/mbrcmtee/members/mbrsstate/uolmfram.htm" target="_top" >http://clerkweb.house.gov/mbrcmtee/members/mbrsstate/uolmfram.htm</a>
> Members' List (by state), Member & Committee Information,
> Office of the Clerk
> <a href="http://www.senate.gov/" target="_top" >http://www.senate.gov/</a>
> U.S. Senate
> Editor's Note: Thanks Jan and net searchers for cracking this urban
> legend.
> While you were working on the story the following arrived from
> About.com
>
> U.S. POSTAL TAX ON EMAIL?
> How to be an Internet prankster: take a known email hoax
> from another country, polish it up and add localized details
> for the appearance of authenticity, and send it out to
> everyone you know. It doesn't take a genius...
> <a href="http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blemtax2.htm" target="_top" >http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blemtax2.htm</a>
>


Subject:	Re: P.S.
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:58:23 EDT

In a message dated 6/15/99 12:53:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< The event went very well, the weather was nice but we began to get heavy
rain
Sunday afternoon. >>

That's keeping in with the tradition! I for one remember the spontaneous
Thunder Storm (aka manifestation of Jove) during Roman Days last year!

--Dexippus


Subject:	Re: P.S.
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:27:52 +0100

Salvete Consul Luci et omnes


Subject:	the comitiae. A senatoral priority?
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:07:55 EDT

From your words (and your constitutional evidence) I can conclude that the
Senate will not take part on the discussion about the Comitiae, right?
Then it is up to the Censors to form the centuries. What are we waiting for?
>>
Salvete!
I have to agree with the esteemed Propraetor. What exactly are we waiting
for? Based the requests coming to me for info on my gens, from prospective
civvies, Roma is expanding. Interest is growing, yet we hear that Senate is
powerless to induce the Censors to take the simple step to determine who will
be where. And the fact that one of our Censors is also a Consul and a member
of the Senate has nothing to do with this? I think not. Perhaps the Senate
should get involved. If the system is not working all ready, perhaps it is
time for a change. We citizens understand that because of Roman Days, the
Senate has been preoccupied. And this is understandable. It was important
that Nova Roma put its best foot forward at the festa, so to speak. However
Roman Days are now over. Now it is back to business.
And the most important part of the agenda has to be the comitiae. So when,
honored Fathers, when? All of Nova Roma wishes to know.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus, Paterfamilias

"In sententia mea, ad nunc comitiae perfectae esse debent.
Quid siste Senatus? "


Subject:	Re: P.S.
From:	Thomas Gangale TGangale@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:49:56 -0700

Mark you how slowly pass the centuries!

Martianus

-----Original Message-----
From: Lucius [mailto:<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 7:36 AM
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Subject: Re: [novaroma] P.S.

From: "Lucius" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>

Salvete, Omnes

>From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
>
>In sententia mea, ad nunc comitiae perfectae esse debent.
>Quid siste Senatus?
>
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus

>M.C. Felix sends greeting to the Romai
>so how did Roman Days go?
>
The event went very well, the weather was nice but we began to get heavy
rain
Sunday afternoon. There will be more info and hopefully many pictures
coming. I will be taking the film in today to be processed. I hope to have
some good things to post on the website tonight or tomorrow.
>*Starting the campaign*

>"In sententia mea, ad nunc comitiae perfectae esse debent.
>Quid siste Senatus?"

If you will read the Nova Roma Constitution, you will see that the Senate
has NO responsibility for the forming of the Tribes Or Centuries. Tribes
and Centuries are determined by the Censores.
<a href="http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/constitution.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/constitution.html</a>

Article III: Magistrates
Sec.5.Two Censors shall be elected every five years, but may only be elected
from among those individuals who had formerly held the office of Consul.
Each Censor shall have the following powers:
2. administer the policies and procedures for attaining Citizenship;
3.maintain lists of Citizens and appropriate information concerning them
(addresses, etc.)

Article IV: The Comitiae and Elections
1.The comitia populi is convened by either a Consul or Praetor Urbanis.
<snip>It shall be made up of thirty tribes, the composition of which shall
be determined by the Censors, but shall be made up of all Citizens of Nova
Roma, regardless of class...
2.The comitia centuriata is convened by a Consul. <snip>It shall be made up
of one hundred and eighteen centuries, the composition of which shall be
determined by the Censors, but shall be made up of all Citizens of Nova
Roma, regardless of class...
3.The comitia plebis is convened by a Tribune of the Plebs. <snip>It shall
be made up of thirty five tribes, the composition of which shall be
determined by the Censors, but which shall be made up exclusively of all
Citizens from the Plebian class...

Valete, Consul L Equitius

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Subject:	Re: P.S.
From:	Thomas Gangale TGangale@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:59:38 -0700

Since Roma is the Eternal City,
How shall our Nova Roma rival her,
Save to be the city where time stands still?

Martianus

-----Original Message-----
From: Lucius [mailto:<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 7:36 AM
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Subject: Re: [novaroma] P.S.

From: "Lucius" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>

Salvete, Omnes

>From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
>
>In sententia mea, ad nunc comitiae perfectae esse debent.
>Quid siste Senatus?
>
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus

>M.C. Felix sends greeting to the Romai
>so how did Roman Days go?
>
The event went very well, the weather was nice but we began to get heavy
rain
Sunday afternoon. There will be more info and hopefully many pictures
coming. I will be taking the film in today to be processed. I hope to have
some good things to post on the website tonight or tomorrow.
>*Starting the campaign*

>"In sententia mea, ad nunc comitiae perfectae esse debent.
>Quid siste Senatus?"

If you will read the Nova Roma Constitution, you will see that the Senate
has NO responsibility for the forming of the Tribes Or Centuries. Tribes
and Centuries are determined by the Censores.
<a href="http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/constitution.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/constitution.html</a>

Article III: Magistrates
Sec.5.Two Censors shall be elected every five years, but may only be elected
from among those individuals who had formerly held the office of Consul.
Each Censor shall have the following powers:
2. administer the policies and procedures for attaining Citizenship;
3.maintain lists of Citizens and appropriate information concerning them
(addresses, etc.)

Article IV: The Comitiae and Elections
1.The comitia populi is convened by either a Consul or Praetor Urbanis.
<snip>It shall be made up of thirty tribes, the composition of which shall
be determined by the Censors, but shall be made up of all Citizens of Nova
Roma, regardless of class...
2.The comitia centuriata is convened by a Consul. <snip>It shall be made up
of one hundred and eighteen centuries, the composition of which shall be
determined by the Censors, but shall be made up of all Citizens of Nova
Roma, regardless of class...
3.The comitia plebis is convened by a Tribune of the Plebs. <snip>It shall
be made up of thirty five tribes, the composition of which shall be
determined by the Censors, but which shall be made up exclusively of all
Citizens from the Plebian class...

Valete, Consul L Equitius

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Subject:	the comitiae. A senatoral priority?
From:	Mike Macnair MikeMacnair@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:02:08 -0400

Salvete Omnes,

If the Censors don't organise the tribes and centuries then (as a matter of
the modern anglo-american law of corporations and inincorporated
associations) the task devolves on the next most senior officers, i.e.
magistrates, i.e. the consuls (and so, I suppose, on down until someone is
willing to act; but I would hope that one at least of the consuls would be
willing to act, because I guess anything Sulla and I did in default of the
consuls acting would be controversial ...). It's analogous to a corporation
or other meeting president who refuses to call a poll.

Alternatively, the Senate could decide to treat the failure of the Censors
to act as a resignation and appoint temporary Censors under Article V, s 9
of the Constitution. This would probably be the better option. A
corporation president who refused to organize voting would certainly be
treated as ipso facto resigning.

Valete,
M. Mucius Scaevola Magister


Subject:	Re: the comitiae. A senatoral priority?
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:25:26 -0400

Salvete, Quirites et alii
>
> From your words (and your constitutional evidence) I can conclude that the
> Senate will not take part on the discussion about the Comitiae, right?

Consul L Equitius: Correct

> Then it is up to the Censors to form the centuries. What are we waiting
for?

Consul L Equitius: For those who have not been citizens for the last year, I
have been asking the same thing. Many of the cives who have been citizens
from the start or soon after will remember that I have been calling for the
forming of the Comitiae. As Praetor Urbanus last year, I had called for a
vote by the Comitia Populi only to be told that it did not exist, I have
been calling for them since then.

>Salvete!
>I have to agree with the esteemed Propraetor. What exactly are we waiting
>for?

Consul L Equitius: The job has become bigger every time a new citizens is
added, but the Tribes should have been started with the First citizen.

>Based the requests coming to me for info on my gens, from prospective
>civvies, Roma is expanding. Interest is growing, yet we hear that Senate
is
>powerless to induce the Censors to take the simple step to determine who
will
>be where. And the fact that one of our Censors is also a Consul and a
member
>of the Senate has nothing to do with this? I think not.

Consul L Equitius: Last year the was a small uproar because the Senate took
control to hold elections outside of the constitution. Now are we to do
still more outside the Constitution? Let the Censores do their job.

>Perhaps the Senate should get involved. If the system is not working all
ready, >perhaps it is time for a change.

Consul L Equitius: How can we change something the does not yet exist?

>We citizens understand that because of Roman Days, the
>Senate has been preoccupied. And this is understandable. It was important
>that Nova Roma put its best foot forward at the festa, so to speak.
However
>Roman Days are now over. Now it is back to business.
>And the most important part of the agenda has to be the comitiae. So when,
>honored Fathers, when? All of Nova Roma wishes to know.
>Valete, Q. Fabius Maximus, Paterfamilias

Consul L Equitius: To be fair, I spoke with Censor Marcus Cassius Iulianus
on this subject during Roman Days. I had been receiving citizen information
from the Censores and was working on the Tribes myself to present to the
Censores (I was very nearly done) for approval. Censor Iulianus has decided
that he and Palladius will instead do this themselves; however he and
Quaestorix Patricia Cassia will be on vacation for the next week (10 days
from last Friday). No one will be more glad than I to see the Comitiae
formed. I have been thus far unable to use my Consulship for the first 6
months to bring legislation to the people, this has been very frustrating.

Valete, Consul Lucius Equitius


Subject:	Re: the comitiae. A senatoral priority?
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:53:50 EDT

In a message dated 6/15/99 4:24:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a> writes:

<< but I would hope that one at least of the consuls would be
willing to act, because I guess anything Sulla and I did in default of the
consuls acting would be controversial ...). >>

Well...getting away from the controversy and debate...

What did everyone wear at Roman Days? I still have yet to piece together a
fine Gold Lame Toga and Tunic for such an occassion. And this High Priest of
Fashion is curious as to what the trendy Romans in Maryland were wearing.

Did Lucius show off those legs? <<evil grin>>

--Dexippus


Subject:	A question of Latin
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:56:26 EDT

Do any Latin buffs know a latin word that is derogatory of "homosexual" or
"gay"?

Please respond to me in private as this shouldn't be made a big topic for
this list.

And before anyone gets their panties in an uproar over this...it is for
historical reasons!...and remember just who it is that is asking! : )

--Dexippus
Divus Maximus Extremus


Subject:	Re: the comitiae. A senatoral priority?
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:14:09 -0400

Salvete,
>
>Well...getting away from the controversy and debate...
>
>What did everyone wear at Roman Days? I still have yet to piece together a
>fine Gold Lame Toga and Tunic for such an occassion. And this High Priest
of
>Fashion is curious as to what the trendy Romans in Maryland were wearing.
>
Lucius E: I'll be going to pick up the pictures that were taken with my
camera in a few...so you will be able to see for yourself. (I hope they turn
out, Cassius told me he took about a doz. himself with my camera)

>Did Lucius show off those legs? <<evil grin>>
>--Dexippus

Lucius E: Yes I did, and the lovely ladies that were there last year cooking
were there again this year. We did drink some wine after the public left,
and some of us Miles stayed up late drinking and playing Tali, commonly
known today as Knucklebones.

Valete, L Equitius


Subject:	Re: the comitiae. A senatoral priority?
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:48:32 -0700

Salvete, Quirites!

There is much snipping of the original posts.

Lucius wrote:

> From: "Lucius" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>
>
> Salvete, Quirites et alii
> >
> > From your words (and your constitutional evidence) I can conclude that the
> > Senate will not take part on the discussion about the Comitiae, right?
>
> Consul L Equitius: Correct
>
> > Then it is up to the Censors to form the centuries. What are we waiting
> for?
>
> Consul L Equitius: For those who have not been citizens for the last year, I
> have been asking the same thing. Many of the cives who have been citizens
> from the start or soon after will remember that I have been calling for the
> forming of the Comitiae. As Praetor Urbanus last year, I had called for a
> vote by the Comitia Populi only to be told that it did not exist, I have
> been calling for them since then.

Ericius: I remember Equitius. I also remember that while votes on amendments were being
conducted by the then consuls an attempt by you to have a proposal voted on was slapped
down because the mechanism was not in place, and you were less than happy. I will also
state that I know you have been calling for the comitiae to be set up. It seems to be
general that we want the mechanisms set up, and we are all doing our best to be patient.
We are also seeing the whole thing continue to drag on from one marking time to another.
If the comitiae and tribes aren't in place by August there will probably some real frayed
nerves as the Election comes hull up over the horizon.

[much more snipping]

> Consul L Equitius: To be fair, I spoke with Censor Marcus Cassius Iulianus
> on this subject during Roman Days. I had been receiving citizen information
> from the Censores and was working on the Tribes myself to present to the
> Censores (I was very nearly done) for approval. Censor Iulianus has decided
> that he and Palladius will instead do this themselves; however he and
> Quaestorix Patricia Cassia will be on vacation for the next week (10 days
> from last Friday). No one will be more glad than I to see the Comitiae
> formed. I have been thus far unable to use my Consulship for the first 6
> months to bring legislation to the people, this has been very frustrating.

Lucius Equitius, I know how frustrating this six moths has been for you on this score. I
remember you saying that this is something you wanted done right off, and you said it
again in your message that I am replying to. Then you found out that it was not something
that was under your imperium -- someone else's venue under the Nova Roma Constitution.
Please keep in mind that we are all feeling the same thing on this matter. No matter how
much we each want it to be done up with a bow on it, the job is not one that is ours to
do. So we seem to be champing at our respective bits. And waiting.

for Nova Roma

Valete.

C. Aelius Ericius
Propraetor of California Provincia
Pontiff
Paterfamilias of gens Aelia