| Subject: |
Re: Bellow |
| From: |
Pythia kingan@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:57:48 -0700 |
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<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> wrote:
> From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a>
>
> In a 1970 essay, Saul Bellow wrote:
>
> "This society, like decadent Rome, is an amusement society. That is the grim fact. Art cannot and should not
> compete with amusement."
>
> Odd comparison, I thought.
>
yeah....but all too true.....
Pythia
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| Subject: |
Re: the comitiae. A senatoral priority? |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:23:07 +0100 |
|
Salvete
>From: "Lucius" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>
>Consul L Equitius: To be fair, I spoke with Censor Marcus Cassius Iulianus
>on this subject during Roman Days. I had been receiving citizen information
>from the Censores and was working on the Tribes myself to present to the
>Censores (I was very nearly done) for approval. Censor Iulianus has decided
>that he and Palladius will instead do this themselves;
I'm glad that the Censores have been sending you citizen info, for everytime
I ask them for a Census of Provincia Lusitania, they simply do not answer my
emails. Isn't there a database with citizen data? I'm now starting to think
that the Censores have citizen data kept in scrolls, like in ancient Rome
=|. Why this could be historical, I question its efficiency.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Aedilis Plebis et Propraetor Provinciae Lusitaniae
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| Subject: |
Re: the comitiae. A senatoral priority? |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:28:53 -0500 (CDT) |
|
On 06/16/99 10:23:07 you wrote:
>
>From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
>
>I'm glad that the Censores have been sending you citizen info, for everytime
>I ask them for a Census of Provincia Lusitania, they simply do not answer my
>emails. Isn't there a database with citizen data? I'm now starting to think
>that the Censores have citizen data kept in scrolls, like in ancient Rome
>=|. Why this could be historical, I question its efficiency.
You've been sent this information TWICE, Graecus.
There are NO other citizens in Portugal. At least both times that I looked it up for you. There may be
another one by now.
The list is kept in Microsoft Access, a database software, and a copy in Microsoft Excel. Although I have
stopped keeping the citizens database and it is now solely the job of the censors, as it should be.
-- Flavia Claudia
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| Subject: |
Re: the comitiae. A senatoral priority? |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:58:26 +0100 |
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Salve Flavia
>You've been sent this information TWICE, Graecus.
>There are NO other citizens in Portugal. At least both times that I looked
it up for you. There may be
>another one by now.
Gratias ago tibi.
None of those messages arrived. Maybe you sent them to the wrong address...
Please --------k it: <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
-----Original Message-----
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] the comitiae. A senatoral priority?
>From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a>
>
>On 06/16/99 10:23:07 you wrote:
>>
>>From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
>
>>
>>I'm glad that the Censores have been sending you citizen info, for
everytime
>>I ask them for a Census of Provincia Lusitania, they simply do not answer
my
>>emails. Isn't there a database with citizen data? I'm now starting to
think
>>that the Censores have citizen data kept in scrolls, like in ancient Rome
>>=|. Why this could be historical, I question its efficiency.
>
>You've been sent this information TWICE, Graecus.
>There are NO other citizens in Portugal. At least both times that I looked
it up for you. There may be
>another one by now.
>
>The list is kept in Microsoft Access, a database software, and a copy in
Microsoft Excel. Although I have
>stopped keeping the citizens database and it is now solely the job of the
censors, as it should be.
>
>-- Flavia Claudia
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Duties of Nova Roma Magistrates and Citizens |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
|
| Date: |
Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:41:25 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salve, Fellow NR Citizens:
At the Roman Days Event, members of Nova Roma agreed to meet and
consider several items of concern to NR and to determine among us what
could be done about them. We duly met on Sunday morning at the Mansion
and spent an hour (all the time that was allotted) discussig these
items. Concurrence was reached on each of the items on the agenda,
which included the question of Tribes and Centuries. I am not free to
provide NR with the minutes of the meeting as Cassia acted as Secretary,
and still has the notes with her. I will ask that she share that
information with you when she returns.
However, you have all read the response from Consul Cinncinnatus, which
is the response of the Constitution, and I do not doubt that you may be
able to hold your further questions about this meeting until Cassia
returns from vacation.
Let me say, further, that hard talk and accusations will not get this
task done any faster or any more efficiently. If you as individuals or
as a group wish to take some sort of positive action then let me most
respectfully suggest that you make a formal proposal to the Senate
reflecting your desires, require the Senate to review your proposal, and
make a decision yes or no. If the decision is yes then that decision
stands if the decision is no, then request of the Senate what changes
should be made or items added / deleted to gain approval. I understand
your frustrations, as they are mine as well, and I further understand
the looming problems on the horizon of our country in regard to next
years elections, because I too, can see them clearly..
I do not believe that "tabling" any proposal without an explanation to
those citizens "proposing" is a viable act. However, nagging a
magistrate whose imperium does not include the tasks of concern is not
viable either.
I invite all of you to keep frustration and anger out of your messages
on Onelist. If you have something to say that is unkind, critical or
accusitive then say it to the person that you feel that you wish to
communicate with, not the whole lst!!! Remember just because you have
forgotten some negative comment made in the heat of passion, that does
not necessarly mean that your victim has!!!
There are two things working against us in NR, the first is that this
medium is not the best for what we are trying to do. The second is that
most of us have other lives in addition to NR, and only a finite amount
of time to spend on it's organization and improvement. If you spend
that time arguing, complaining and accusing then that much time is lost.
There are also those of us who are very excitablle about NR and
sometimes walk the borderline between a polite response and a suggested
accusation. If that is a familiar characteristic then perhaps you
should review your words before sending them out to the world, I am
always reminded of the old gentleman who told me when I was a very young
man (after a rather stupid display of ignorance) that my public self and
actions reflected my parent's effectiveness in preparing me for the
world. I have never forgotten that.
My last point is a moot one I suppose, but one which I bring to your
attention because I think we all tend to forget this problem. I am a
duly elected magistrate, and yet I have never been approached by any
non-magistrate citizen of the NR membership since my election; to
answer questions, assist them with their concerns, find answers, etc. I
have been approached by fellow magistrates on many occasions asking me
to take on tasks, answer questions, assist them with concerns, find
answers etc. If you as citizens do not use the Magistrates that are
there for you to use, if you choose to correspond directly with the
Consul or senior magistrates only, then you will not get the results
that you desire due to the shortness of time on the part of those
magistrates. I suppose most of our trouble is based on the fact that
most of us are individulists and the Internet makes us more so, but I do
ask that those of you who are dissatisfied with the progress being made
today, understand that due to the shortage of magistrates because no one
stood for election, and at least one who did stand for election and was
elected has chosen not to take his oath means less people to address the
problems of NR.. One citizen has suggested that the Senate make
appointments to fill the remaining slots, but the election process is a
very important one, and the appointees must be qualified and willing to
take their job seriously, as well as be suitable to some kind of
majority of the NR members. . One appointment has been made and that
appointment was a good one. If you think that you have a good idea for
a suggested appointee, then contact your magistrate with the name of
your recommendation and the reasons for that recommendation then let
them work the system for you. I will not guarantee you that you will
get an automatic approval, but I will guarantee that your message gets
to the right person, and that person will respond to you personnally or
through me.
At Roman Days I asked the Praeator of the Southeast Province what her
three largest problems were. She responded by saying she needed to know
how many citizens were in her province, where they were, and how to
contact them. Now I would not be so foolish as to say that those three
problems were the major three problems of all the provinces, but it is a
good bet that those concerns are viable concerns of nearly all the
provincial praeators. How do you stand individually with your
Provincial Praeator? Does he / she know you are there, know where you
are and how to contact you? Does he or she know what you are interested
in, what activities you would be interested in being involved in and
what skills that you would be interested in bringing to NR? Does he or
she know about your health (generally) transportation situation and
other organiztions to which you belong? All of these things, are
important for the Provincial Praetors to organize their areas of
responsibility and begin to lay plans for the ceation of / participation
in provincial or national activities. Or are you relying on someones
else's work for all that??
In closing, I cannot see much difference in Nova Roma and the Unitd
States, in the instance, when former President Kennedy said to the
American people,"Ask not what your country can do for you, but rather
what you can do for your country." I believe that encompasses us all
regardless of political or religious lines. Your Country (Nova Roma)
has already provided you with good friends, most of you with a place to
support and give you peace in your religious beliefs, a a resurgence in
the Religio Romana, a study in the real problems of creating a new
institution / nation, provided you with a wide and great variety of
nformation and data n the Roman World and for those interested, has led
to a detailed investigation of the workings of the Roman Republic and is
currently providing a market place for the purchase or sale of Roman
materials.. All this has the lady "Nova Roma" given to you. My very
good friends and fellow citizens, have you given as much to her??
Vale, Most Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Quaestor
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Military List |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
|
| Date: |
Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:00:34 -0400 (EDT) |
|
At Roman Days the Commander of the 24th Legio commented to me about a
"military list" in NR and the fact that it was not being used much. I
am notaware of any such list and I would be most interested to becaome a
part of any such list existing. If anyone has any information regarding
such, I would much appreciate it.
Secondly, I have been asked about the military aspects of the Sodalicum
Militaria and to what the Sodalitas is devoted to. The original idea
was to develop the ideas of engineering and cartography in the Roman
World both on land and at sea. My purpose in limiting the Sodalitas to
these parameters was simply out of my own lak of detailed information
regarding the legions and the navy. During my peiod here i NR I have
been most fortunate in meeting and enjoying hugely members whose
military knowledge far exceeds my own. However, if there ar some of the
NR citizens that believe that the Sodalicum Miliarum should expand it's
precepts to include general military data, infomation, then I should be
willing to petition the Senate for an expansion of this institution and
if need be the establishment of a "military list" for the discussion of
military information.
Those of you desiring to see such an expansion occur please contact me
and let me know how you feel about such and into what specific areas you
would like to expand. I would expect that anyone interested enough to
see an expansion such as the suggested above would also be willing to
support a military column inthe "Eagle" as well, plus a possible series
of military notebooks (issued annually) for sale similar to Venator's
most excellent "Mead Manual."
Marcus Audens
Sodalicum Militum
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: the comitiae. A senatoral priority? |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:33:51 EDT |
|
Gold Lame toga? Would you go as C-3P-us?
Don
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| Subject: |
Re: roman days |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:10:41 -0700 |
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Salve....Felix....I am at work now...Please at the apartment ring apt 14.
That is the manager....She will let you in if you ask for Apt. 8 or for
Robert Woolwine. :) Vale!
----- Original Message -----
From: w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a>
To: NR list <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 11:02 AM
Subject: [novaroma] roman days
> From: w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a>
>
>
> Salve
> M.C. Felix sends greeting to the Romai
> so how did Roman Days go?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Starting the campaign*
>
>
> "In sententia mea, ad nunc comitiae perfectae esse debent.
> Quid siste Senatus?"
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: roman days |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:11:44 -0700 |
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Salve, I do apologize for that last e-mail...being at work and pressing the
wrong button! LOL Oops....I do apologize... :)
L. Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus
----- Original Message -----
From: w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a>
To: NR list <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 11:02 AM
Subject: [novaroma] roman days
> From: w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a>
>
>
> Salve
> M.C. Felix sends greeting to the Romai
> so how did Roman Days go?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Starting the campaign*
>
>
> "In sententia mea, ad nunc comitiae perfectae esse debent.
> Quid siste Senatus?"
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| Subject: |
Re: P.S. |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:15:22 -0700 |
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But Cassius has stated that he wanted to have the Senate debate this very
issue? So, will the Senate debate or will this be solely in the discretion
of the Censors?
P.S. I am just going by what Cassius told me....thats why I am asking!
L.Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus
----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio Grilo <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] P.S.
> From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
>
> Salvete Consul Luci et omnes
>
> >From your words (and your constitutional evidence) I can conclude that
the
> Senate will not take part on the discussion about the Comitiae, right?
> Then it is up to the Censors to form the centuries. What are we waiting
for?
>
> Valete
>
> AGG
> Aedilis Plebis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lucius <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>
> To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
> Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 5:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] P.S.
>
>
> >From: "Lucius" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>
> >
> >Salvete, Omnes
> >
> >
> >>From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
> >>
> >>In sententia mea, ad nunc comitiae perfectae esse debent.
> >>Quid siste Senatus?
> >>
> >>Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> >
> >
> >>M.C. Felix sends greeting to the Romai
> >>so how did Roman Days go?
> >>
> >The event went very well, the weather was nice but we began to get heavy
> >rain
> >Sunday afternoon. There will be more info and hopefully many pictures
> >coming. I will be taking the film in today to be processed. I hope to
have
> >some good things to post on the website tonight or tomorrow.
> >>*Starting the campaign*
> >
> >>"In sententia mea, ad nunc comitiae perfectae esse debent.
> >>Quid siste Senatus?"
> >
> >
> >If you will read the Nova Roma Constitution, you will see that the Senate
> >has NO responsibility for the forming of the Tribes Or Centuries. Tribes
> >and Centuries are determined by the Censores.
> ><a href="http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/constitution.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/constitution.html</a>
> >
> >Article III: Magistrates
> >Sec.5.Two Censors shall be elected every five years, but may only be
> elected
> >from among those individuals who had formerly held the office of Consul.
> >Each Censor shall have the following powers:
> >2. administer the policies and procedures for attaining Citizenship;
> >3.maintain lists of Citizens and appropriate information concerning them
> >(addresses, etc.)
> >
> >Article IV: The Comitiae and Elections
> >1.The comitia populi is convened by either a Consul or Praetor Urbanis.
> ><snip>It shall be made up of thirty tribes, the composition of which
shall
> >be determined by the Censors, but shall be made up of all Citizens of
Nova
> >Roma, regardless of class...
> >2.The comitia centuriata is convened by a Consul. <snip>It shall be made
up
> >of one hundred and eighteen centuries, the composition of which shall be
> >determined by the Censors, but shall be made up of all Citizens of Nova
> >Roma, regardless of class...
> >3.The comitia plebis is convened by a Tribune of the Plebs. <snip>It
shall
> >be made up of thirty five tribes, the composition of which shall be
> >determined by the Censors, but which shall be made up exclusively of all
> >Citizens from the Plebian class...
> >
> >Valete, Consul L Equitius
> >
> >
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