| Subject: |
Virtue |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:48:07 -0400 |
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Salvete, Quirites
I would like to introduce something that Quaestrix Patricia and I were talking about at Roman Days. We were just shooting the breeze and lamenting the fact that the e-list sometimes is empty and other times full of less than civilized 'discussion' when we thought that wouldn't it be nice to talk about the Virtues. What they mean, how we each live by them etc.
So without further ado I would like to start the "Virtue of the week".
Pietas: "Dutifulness" More than religious piety; a respect for the natural order socially, politically, and religiously. Includes the ideas of patriotism and devotion to others. <a href="http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/virtues.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/virtues.html</a>
I would like to begin with this one. Often misunderstood or confused with the modern piety. To me Pietas means doing those things necessary to maintain the Pax Deorum, even though they would be difficult or you would rather not. Of course this is a very simple beginning, but I hope it is enough to get a meaningful discussion started.
Valete, Consul Lucius Equitius
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| Subject: |
Re: Report of meeting at Roman Days |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 01:25:43 -0400 |
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Salvete, Quirites
>Roman Days provided an excellent opportunity for those of us involved in
>Nova Roma to gather and discuss our concerns, and work toward
>problem-solving. (It's SO much easier in person than in e-mail!)
L Equitius: And much more fun, also we went to a Seafood resturant the night
before (Sat.)! I had hoped to see other Romani there earlier thus I was at
the site all day Friday. I was happy to see the Legio III Gallica arrive
around noon after having driven from Louisiana only stopping for Gas/Food
(ouch!) and then all but one of them went sightseeing to the capital mall!!!
They came back lator and Merlina showed up so we eat and drank wine and some
of us played Tali (knuckle bones) Friday night.
>
>MEETING OF NOVA ROMAN CITIZENS AND MAGISTRATES
>**Present: >Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus called the meeting to order at 8:55
a.m.
>ITEM:
>I. Proposal to increase the price of the Eagle to either $10 or $12, <SNIP>
>After some discussion, the amount of $12 was agreed on as being a fair
>representation of the costs of providing this most excellent newsletter
>to our Citizens.
>ACTION:
>** Marcus Cassius Julianus moved that we recommend the Senate change the
>subscription rate to $12. Lucius Equitius seconded and the motion PASSED
>unanimously.
>ITEM:
>II. Marcus Minucius Audens sought to establish as Senate policy a proper
>response to proposals submitted to it,
>This appeared to refer to a specific incident, and the resulting
>discussion chiefly involved Audens and Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus.
>ACTION:
>** Cincinnatus pledged to do a better job of communicating with Citizens
>including Audens.
>ITEM:
>III. Audens proposed opening Senate deliberations to (non-voting)
>Magistrates, one Magistrate to report monthly to the Citizens.
>Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus noted that the Tribunes of the Plebs were
>supposed to have the responsibility of reporting Senate actions to the
>Citizenry, but one of our tribunes (Callidus) has resigned and the other
>(Metellus) has chosen not to carry out this part of his duties.
>
L Equitius: The Censor M Cassius informed me of this last week the day
before he left for Roman Days. Since Avidius Tullius Callidius had not
spoken publicly, we decided to give him time to reconsider. However, since
he has not given notice to the citizens who elected him it was left to us.
Under the provisions of the constitution it will be the responsibilty of the
Senate to appoint a replacement.
Article V: The Senate
<a href="http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/constitution.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/constitution.html</a>
9.If any other magistrate should vacate his or her office before the regular
end of the term, the Senate shall appoint a magistrate to fill it through
the end of the term.
>ACTION:
>** Audens polled those present on whether to recommend to the Senate the
>following proposal: All elected magistrates should have access to Senate
>deliberations, but should not have the right to speak. The Consuls should
>choose a Senator or magistrate to report to the Citizenry on a regular
>basis. This proposal PASSED unanimously.
>ITEM:
>IV. Status report on budget
>ACTIONS:
>** Marcus Minucius Audens will send Patricia Cassia a new copy of the
>** Patricia Cassia will report to the Senate and the Quaestors on
>** Marcus Cassius Julianus will report to the Quaestors with accurate .
>** Merlinia Ambrosia will send Audens sample forms from the Society for
>ITEM:
>V. Organizing the Tribes and Comitiae
>After some discussion, it was agreed that this is properly the job of the
>Censors.
>ACTION:
>** Marcus Cassius Julianus and Decius Iunius Palladius will begin
>implementing a system for Tribes and Comitiae.
>ITEM:
>VI. Flavia Minervina Iucundia pointed out that Nova Roma needs to do a
>ACTION:
>** After the Tribes and Comitiae are in place, Marcus Cassius Julianus
>will work with his fellow Censor toward setting up a system of regular
>reports to the Praetors.
>THOUGHTS:
>This meeting was hastily organized, and some Nova Roman Citizens who were
>present at Roman Days could not be there for the entire NR meeting, or
>did not hear about it until the last minute. This I regret, and express
>the hope that we can organize such a meeting ahead of time when planning
>our presence at next year's event.
>It was MUCH easier to work things out in person than in e-mail! I
>recommend that Nova Romans take the opportunity to get to know one
>another whenever feasible. I very much enjoyed meeting Flavia Minervina
>for the first time, and renewing my acquaintance with Cincinnatus,
>Audens, Merlinia Ambrosia and Gallio Velius.
>respectfully submitted,
>Patricia Cassia
L Equitius: Yes, it was a very nice weekend that was FAR too short. I had
hoped that my colleague Consul Decius Iunius and the other Senatores would
be there so that we could do some actual work in person, but personal
responsibilities did not cooperate. Sic vita est.
I did get to meet some of my new gens members and other Nova Romani though.
I hope that we will have another meeting soon. Say didn't the January
Concordia get rescheduled for weather until July?....
Thank You Quaestrix Patricia Cassia for the Report
Valete, Consul L Equitius
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| Subject: |
Re: the comitae. why is this such a problem? |
| From: |
Mike Macnair MikeMacnair@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 05:08:28 -0400 |
|
Salvete omnes,
Cassius wrote:
>Basically, the tribes and comitiae will end direct voting in Nova Roma.
While
>each Citizen will still get to vote within their tribe and Comitia, the
final
>"major" votes will be made by chosen representatives.
>This is one of the many reasons why I've found it odd that so many people
are
>so hotheaded about this issue. They are in fact screaming to somewhat
lessen
>the impact of the individual Citizen within Nova Roma. I myself have been
>rather reluctant to have to install a system where each Citizen's vote
will
>count only within a tribe but not necessarily within the final vote on any
>issue...
This aspect of the NR Constitution is a misunderstanding of the ancient
roman practice, which results from the Constitution's authors conflating
the Comitia Curiata (where permanent "speakers" were used) with the Comitia
Centuriata and Tributa, where there were no such things as "speakers" but
"custodes" who were in modern terminology tellers, and the tribes and
centuries functioned as electoral districts. See Lily Ross Taylor, Roman
Voting Assemblies from the Hannibalic Wars to the Dictatorship of Caesar,
Ann Arbor: U. Mich. Press, 1966, Ch. 3 and pp. 75-80, 88-90.
The point of agitating for the present mistaken (inefficient, and
non-participatory) system of Comitia to be put in place is that without
Comitia conforming to the NR Constitution, we can't amend the Constitution
so as to make the Comitia more Roman, efficient and participatory. Sorting
out the bugs in the Constitution is an early task of the Comitia: it
certainly can't be done without any Comitia.
I look forward to seeing the Censors' proposals. As long as they conform to
the Constitution any flaws can be sorted out by leges to reform them.
Valete,
M. Mucius Scaevola Magister
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| Subject: |
Re: Legionary Brand |
| From: |
greenjacket@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 09:45:34 -0400 |
|
Greetings,
Regarding the branding of military recruits, I have a copy of the
Osprey title The Late Roman Infantryman 236-565 by Simon Macdowall,
illustrated by Gerry Embleton, copyright 1996.
Page 8
"Once accepted, the recruit was given an identity disc and a
certificate of recruitment. There are recorded instances of conscripts
being branded on the hand or arm to identify them and make desertion more
difficult. Desertion was certainly a problem amongst new recruits, and as
a precaution draftees were locked up in prison each night while enroute
to their units."
Colour plate "B" shows a gruop of infantrymen from the early 4th
century. One of them shows what appears to be a black W on the back of
his right hand.
I've seen references to this type of branding in some of the books I
have on the later Roman troops, but couldn't find the exact sections this
morning. Hope that this helps! I'll try to find the other sources over
the next few days.
Tiberius Flavius Saturninus
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| Subject: |
Eagle renewals |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 10:18:43 -0500 (CDT) |
|
>
>From: "Lucius" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>
>
>>** Marcus Cassius Julianus moved that we recommend the Senate change the
>>subscription rate to $12. Lucius Equitius seconded and the motion PASSED
>>unanimously.
Anyone whose subscription is expiring gets a "Don't Be Left Behind" message in your last issue.
(You folks who just renewed for 2 years at the old rate got SUCH a DEAL!)
If you didn't respond to the expiration message, it's now $12 for one year. The horoscope alone is worth it!
By the way, the deadline for the July issue is looming (the 25th of June).
-- Flavia Claudia
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| Subject: |
a Convocation |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 09:23:42 -0700 |
|
Salvete.
So much communication is dependent on seeing those with whom one is speaking that it is no
wonder that the ad hoc get together at the recent Roman Days got so much done. I think it
is time that we start thinking about a Convocation where as many of us who can will be
able to meet together. A Convocation that is separate only Nova Roma. Us getting
together and talking over our hopes, plans and concerns without other activities exerting
their pressure upon us. The site (plant) facilities need not be much, though I'm sure
this part will be elaborated on if this ball is picked up. The overriding concern as I
visualize it is the location, first, and then the timing.
Location is tied to timing so far as climate and weather are concerned. I respectfully
acknowledge and thanks to the Cassii for their hospitality, as well as the amounts of
time, work and care they have given Nova Roma, but not Maine in the Winter. (The thought
chills me.) And most likely not south Florida in the Summer. Yes, I am this confab take
place in the continental United States. The important factor that will help adjust the
cross hairs on the map is the requirement that there be an International Airport serving
the city. Preferably an international airport that can be accessed from Europe, Brazil
and the rest with few if any changing of planes from point of departure to the
Convocation. Another preference would be a location towards the center of the United
States. I think Chicago, St. Louis, Dallas and Denver all have international air
service. Denver's altitude might rule it out for a number of our people.
Okay. The basic sketch comes down to Northern Hemisphere Spring or Fall in the year 2753
a.u.c (2000 c.e.). In, or near, a city in the central U.S. that is serviced by an
international airport.
One reason I say the central U.S. is that it does not favor either coast, so everybody
will have to travel, the effort will add to the meaningfulness of the event. The central
US regions of Nova Roma are thinly populated and those citizens who are there feel not
only isolated from other Nova Romans, they have spoken of being fairly isolated from other
humans. No. I'm not saying anything about Chicago, St. Louis, dallas and Denver, but
about 100 miles outside of the metro area. Avidius used to talk about his home being
super isolated. Of course I could have suggested San Jose, about 40 miles south of me.
An international airport. A hotel that is used to gatherings of "unique" individuals, and
has decent room rates. They also provide roll away beds if you want to stuff your room.
But that could be taken as my favoring myself and I think we need to get into Nova Roma.
So there it is. An idea. I put it forth for you all to do with as you will.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius
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| Subject: |
Re: Report of meeting at Roman Days |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:17:59 EDT |
|
Salvete,
Ack. The latest blowup regarding the tribes and comitia got me completely off
track... I had intended my first posting upon returning to be the
announcement that
Avidius Tullius Callidus, one of our Tribunes of the Plebs, resigned his
Citizenship in Nova Roma. His message came through just before Roman Days, so
I had no time to post this information before leaving:
In a message dated 6/19/99 12:32:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< Callidus resigned his Tribuniate? Why? What about him supervising the law
committee? What is the status of the Tribuinate and what ramifications does
this have to the areas he is working for...and is Callidius still a citizen?
Tullius resigned with no explanation whatsoever. His parting message was very
brief, cancelling his Citizenship and asking that his Gens be removed from
the Nova Roma website. I can only imagine that his resignation was the direct
result of his plan for the Tribes and Centuries not being implemented
immediately and without question.
He would not hear of the fact that we were considering a half-dozen other
plans, most of which were far more easily maintainable than what he had
presented. As far as I am aware, any other work he was doing has left with
him.
As far as the status of the Tribunate, the first chance at this duty falls to
Antonius Graecus, the runner-up in the election. He's being contacted even
now to see if he will stand the rest of the current term. Hopefully this will
be the case... his excellent efforts as Praetor of Luisitania etc. have
proven that he will do a wonderful job if he feels he can handle the
position.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: a Convocation |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:24:28 EDT |
|
In a message dated 6/19/99 12:25:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a> writ--------br>
> So much communication is dependent on seeing those with whom one is
speaking that it is no
wonder that the ad hoc get together at the recent Roman Days got so much
done. I think it
is time that we start thinking about a Convocation where as many of us who
can will be
able to meet together. A Convocation that is separate only Nova Roma. Us
getting
together and talking over our hopes, plans and concerns without other
activities exerting
their pressure upon us. The site (plant) facilities need not be much,
though I'm sure
this part will be elaborated on if this ball is picked up. The overriding
concern as I
visualize it is the location, first, and then the timing.
Location is tied to timing so far as climate and weather are concerned. I
respectfully
acknowledge and thanks to the Cassii for their hospitality, as well as the
amounts of
time, work and care they have given Nova Roma, but not Maine in the Winter.
(The thought
chills me.) And most likely not south Florida in the Summer. Yes, I am
this confab take
place in the continental United States. The important factor that will help
adjust the
cross hairs on the map is the requirement that there be an International
Airport serving
the city. Preferably an international airport that can be accessed from
Europe, Brazil
and the rest with few if any changing of planes from point of departure to
the
Convocation. Another preference would be a location towards the center of
the United
States. I think Chicago, St. Louis, Dallas and Denver all have
international air
service. Denver's altitude might rule it out for a number of our people.
Okay. The basic sketch comes down to Northern Hemisphere Spring or Fall in
the year 2753
a.u.c (2000 c.e.). In, or near, a city in the central U.S. that is serviced
by an
international airport.
One reason I say the central U.S. is that it does not favor either coast, so
everybody
will have to travel, the effort will add to the meaningfulness of the event.
The central
US regions of Nova Roma are thinly populated and those citizens who are
there feel not
only isolated from other Nova Romans, they have spoken of being fairly
isolated from other
humans. No. I'm not saying anything about Chicago, St. Louis, dallas and
Denver, but
about 100 miles outside of the metro area. Avidius used to talk about his
home being
super isolated. Of course I could have suggested San Jose, about 40 miles
south of me.
An international airport. A hotel that is used to gatherings of "unique"
individuals, and
has decent room rates. They also provide roll away beds if you want to
stuff your room.
But that could be taken as my favoring myself and I think we need to get
into Nova Roma.
So there it is. An idea. I put it forth for you all to do with as you will.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius
>>
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| Subject: |
Re: a Convocation |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:36:29 EDT |
|
Salvete,
My apologies for sending a "non-message" to the list. I was trying to reply
to Ericius' thoughts on a convocation, and accidentally hit the send button
before anything even got typed...
In a message dated 6/19/99 12:25:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a> writ--------br>
> So much communication is dependent on seeing those with whom one is
speaking that it is no wonder that the ad hoc get together at the recent
Roman Days got so much done. I think it is time that we start thinking
about a Convocation where as many of us who can will be able to meet
together. A Convocation that is separate only Nova Roma. Us getting
together and talking over our hopes, plans and concerns without other
activities exerting their pressure upon us. >>
The meeting at Roman Days made it amazingly clear how bad a medium E-mail
really is for making group decisions. We got more done in under an hour by
being able to communicate in person than we've been able to do in any *month*
using the list, message boards, etc.
Getting together in person has been one of the largest priorities for Nova
Roma. It is in fact the reason why the Provincia were set up, with Praetors
to help coordinate local "in-person" meetings and events. The more Citizens
we have the easier it will be for the various Provincia to meet, host larger
meetings, etc.
I'd very much like to see a Convocation, a national meeting, of Nova Roma.
It's certainly an idea to be discussed further! Sure, there'd be hurdles to
overcome, such as getting enough folks to find the money and vacation time,
but the end result would benefit Nova Roma greatly. The location of such a
meeting is also something that would need discussing. Ericius was quite right
that neither coast would be a convenient national meeting place... but
there's the difficulty that most of our U.S. Citizens live in coastal areas.
Anyone have further thoughts?
Vale,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: Report of meeting at Roman Days |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 10:41:22 -0700 |
|
Salvete.
I hope Graecus will be willing to step in as rogate Tribunis Plebis. He has shown himself
to be enthusiastic, industrious and committed. I hope it is okay for a member of the
other order to say this. ;-)
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius
Propraetor ad Californiam Provinciam
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| Subject: |
Re: a Convocation |
| From: |
BenBorgo@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:47:16 EDT |
|
In a message dated 6/19/99 10:37:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; writes:
Salve,
<< but
there's the difficulty that most of our U.S. Citizens live in coastal areas.
Anyone have further thoughts?
>>
Just an idea but...how about a quarterly or bi-yearly 'convocation' that has
it's location changed each time. Meeting once in SF(right by me:), and the
next to be held in New York (just examples, any East coast city w/ a major
airport will do, same goes for the West coast) Of course it could also be
moved to the Central US at times, as well as to other locations around the
world, (maybe even Rome) that everyone can agree on. The location should be
based on those who wish to attend, if everyone wishes to attend, some will
have to travel further than others at times. Yes...No?
Respectfully,
Gnaeus Tarquinius Caesar
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| Subject: |
Vacant Tribunate |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:52:24 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete, omnes.
I rise to urge Antonius Gryllus Graecus, Aedilis Plebis, Praetor of
Lusitania Provincia, and former candidate for the office of Tribunus Plebis,
to complete the term of Avidius Tullius Callidus.
I also take this opportunity to express my profound sadness that we have
lost so capable and energetic a citizen as Avidius Tullius Callidus. His
efforts on behalf of our Republic are to be praised rather than disparaged.
He will be greatly missed.
Ave et vale, Avidi Tulli Callide!
May the Gods preverve the Senate and People of Nova Roma.
Valete,
Marcus Martianus Gangalius
Curule Aedilis et Vebsitarius Maximus
At 01:17 PM 6/19/99 EDT, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; wrote:
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------;
>
>Salvete,
>
>Ack. The latest blowup regarding the tribes and comitia got me completely off
>track... I had intended my first posting upon returning to be the
>announcement that
>Avidius Tullius Callidus, one of our Tribunes of the Plebs, resigned his
>Citizenship in Nova Roma. His message came through just before Roman Days, so
>I had no time to post this information before leaving:
>
>In a message dated 6/19/99 12:32:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
><a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------/font>
>
><< Callidus resigned his Tribuniate? Why? What about him supervising the law
> committee? What is the status of the Tribuinate and what ramifications does
> this have to the areas he is working for...and is Callidius still a citizen?
>
>Tullius resigned with no explanation whatsoever. His parting message was very
>brief, cancelling his Citizenship and asking that his Gens be removed from
>the Nova Roma website. I can only imagine that his resignation was the direct
>result of his plan for the Tribes and Centuries not being implemented
>immediately and without question.
>He would not hear of the fact that we were considering a half-dozen other
>plans, most of which were far more easily maintainable than what he had
>presented. As far as I am aware, any other work he was doing has left with
>him.
>
>As far as the status of the Tribunate, the first chance at this duty falls to
>Antonius Graecus, the runner-up in the election. He's being contacted even
>now to see if he will stand the rest of the current term. Hopefully this will
>be the case... his excellent efforts as Praetor of Luisitania etc. have
>proven that he will do a wonderful job if he feels he can handle the
>position.
>
>Valete,
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus
>
>
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| Subject: |
Tribune Plebis |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:10:23 -0400 |
|
Salvete, Quitrites
I had hoped to bring this appointment to the Senate for a vote,
along with the other things that were agreed to at the Roman Days event.
Actually, the Senate has the authority to appoint a replacement. Aedilis
Plebis Antonius Gryllus Graecus has shown himself to be a true leader. He is
however on assignment and will not be available for a short time (I think he
sent a short note to the list last week).
"ART. V sec.9, If any other magistrate should vacate his or her office
before
the regular end of the term, the Senate shall appoint a magistrate to fill
it through the end of the term. "
I had discussed this with the Senatores before Roman Days (a flurry of
emails Thursday) and Consul Decius Iunius, Proconsul Marcus Cassius,
Senatrix Flavia Claudia and myself have all agreed that Antonius Gryllus
would be the best choice (if he wants the job).
Valete, Consul Lucius Equitius
>
>I hope Graecus will be willing to step in as rogate Tribunis Plebis. He
has shown himself to be enthusiastic, industrious and committed. I hope it
is okay for a member of the other order to say this. ;-)
>
>Valete.C. Aelius Ericius
>Propraetor ad Californiam Provinciam
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------;
>
>Salvete,
>
>Ack. The latest blowup regarding the tribes and comitia got me completely
off
>track... I had intended my first posting upon returning to be the
>announcement that Avidius Tullius Callidus, one of our Tribunes of the
Plebs, resigned his Citizenship in Nova Roma. His message came through just
before Roman Days, so I had no time to post this information before leaving:
>Valete, Marcus Cassius Julianus
|
| Subject: |
Re: a Convocation |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:12:47 -0700 |
|
Salvete.
On Tarquinius on Cassius, etc.
> << but
> there's the difficulty that most of our U.S. Citizens live in coastal areas.
> Anyone have further thoughts?
> >>
> Just an idea but...how about a quarterly or bi-yearly 'convocation' that has
> it's location changed each time. Meeting once in SF(right by me:), and the
> next to be held in New York (just examples, any East coast city w/ a major
> airport will do, same goes for the West coast) Of course it could also be
> moved to the Central US at times, as well as to other locations around the
> world, (maybe even Rome) that everyone can agree on. The location should be
> based on those who wish to attend, if everyone wishes to attend, some will
> have to travel further than others at times. Yes...No?
>
> Respectfully,
> Gnaeus Tarquinius Caesar
Yes. It can be said that my idea of location is based on making it mutually inconvenient.
But Nova Roma is not just in the United States. Europe and Brazil each have a large
number
of citizens, and there is at least one Down Under. Also if we have the convocation
bouncing
from one place to another the representation will vary according to the hosting region.
That may cause the issues and proposed solutions to peg according to region too.
Yes, having the convocation in a place that everybody has to travel too will favor those
of you
with larger amounts of disposable income. Well, short of a Nova Roman who is a secret
multi-gazillionaire who will foot the whole bill, that is the way it is. *_I_* might not
be able
to make it to this thing. I know that I'm on the low end of the income bracket of Nova
Romans,
and I'm not talking about students who are poor now but will be raking in the big bucks in
a few years time.
But that is the way the world is. This also touches on why this should Not be a two or
four times a year thing.
Even the citizens who are able to afford plane ticket and hotel room and other expenses
will not be able
to get off the amount of free time that a several times a year convocation calls for.
Maybe I should elucidate on "convocation" a bit (without pulling out Webster's).
Con- with. Vocate, talk. Talk with each other. Work on issues. A working gathering
where we will 'also'
have some fun. I'm not talking about a party convention. Partying will happen, please
Gods!
Gatherings every few months is something that can be done locally (well, May be done...)
with
the rest of the Nova Roman world invited. That is what I see Roman Days as being. In
fact it is hosted
by a non Nova Roman organization. Tarquinius has the idea of Nova Romans "invading North
California Renn Faire,
I think Marius Fimbria has done a Roman gig at a Texas Renn Faire type event. This type
of thing and others of this
type are possibilities, but that isn't really what I mean by a Convocation. Hey,
Quirites, if I was better with
putting words to ides and communication in general, I might not have to sweat the money so
much. =({[;-)
I figure that with a year's worth of notice I can budget my share of the household's
money, and my vacation time
to get to some place in the central US for a weekend work (and fun) session on/with Nova
Roma.
I know there are some citizens who can not do that, unless it is next door. When the
convocation is at
the Nova Roma hotel in Spain in eight years time, I might not be able to swing it, but the
three hundred citizens
in Europe will find it very handy. (there was humor and positive thinking in the
previous)
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius
Propraetor of California Provincia
Pontiff
Paterfamilias of gens Aelia
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| Subject: |
Re: Tribes and Comitiae |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:11:09 EDT |
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In a message dated 6/18/99 6:09:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< Actually, we have had a number of votes without the tribes etc. They were
on amendments
to the constitution. There was no fuss about the Ts&Cs. Maybe those votes
were
technically illegal. It is being said now that we can't amend the
constitution regarding the Ts&Cs until we have the Ts&Cs, so...
Ericius >>
Salvete from SD!
Actually I did bitch if you remember my dear Propraetor, but it was only a
temporary situation. It was not to be repeated. (I was told.)
Valete!
Q. Fabius
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| Subject: |
Re: courtesy to list members |
| From: |
LSergAust@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:36:29 EDT |
|
Patricia Cassia <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a> wrote:
>...It is a courtesy to list members to quote back only a few lines...
>Anything further just wastes bandwidth and annoys digest subscribers...
I can testify that it also annoys non-digest subscribers!
Thank you for mentioning this.
L. Sergius Aust.
cum ballistae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti ballistas habebunt.
(When ballistas are outlawed, only outlaws will have ballistas.)
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| Subject: |
Re: Eagle renewals |
| From: |
"ROBERT WILLIAMSON" robert@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:23:07 -0400 |
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Salvete Omnes: I was wondering if citizens who have not yet subscribed to
the Eagle would be able to order back issues so as to catch up to what we
have missed. I think that some sort of a special offer could be made that
would attract more subscriptions. Has this already been considered? I intend
to subscribe, but would also like to catch up on what I have missed in the
previous issues.
Vale, ... A. Marcellus Cato
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From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 11:18 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Eagle renewals
>From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a>
>
>>
>>From: "Lucius" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>
>>
>>>** Marcus Cassius Julianus moved that we recommend the Senate change the
>>>subscription rate to $12. Lucius Equitius seconded and the motion PASSED
>>>unanimously.
>
>Anyone whose subscription is expiring gets a "Don't Be Left Behind" message
in your last issue.
>(You folks who just renewed for 2 years at the old rate got SUCH a DEAL!)
>If you didn't respond to the expiration message, it's now $12 for one year.
The horoscope alone is worth it!
>
>By the way, the deadline for the July issue is looming (the 25th of June).
>
>-- Flavia Claudia
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| Subject: |
Re: a Convocation |
| From: |
dean6886@--------) |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:38:53 -0500 (CDT) |
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I would also like to add that in certain cercumstances conference
calls can be instituted in place of any e-mail lists for specific
discussions as may be needed within the senate for example. The
10-10-636 plus the area code plus the number lets us talk for 5cents a
minute anywhere in the U.S. Perhaps a small part of a future budget can
go to help defraying the costs of senators and/or any other official who
wishes to buy a good speaker phone with this sort of capability---
anywhere from 25 to 50 percent of the total bill. This could speed
decision making here by leaps and bounds.
Come to think of it how about every time someone has something
derogatory to say to someone on this list they call them up and say it
to them in person instead? I think the tone of some dialogues would be a
bit different.
A convocation would be wonderful but how many people does
everyone think would attend at most considering time and expense? I
think the phone conference idea may be limiting as to large numbers of
people but all in all more effective long-term dollar for dollar and in
personalizing conversations. Even when there is small get togethers of
people it could be enhanced by having others call in during specific
times for a wider conversation. Anyone care to do some comparrison
shopping at office depot or wherever?
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
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| Subject: |
Re: Tribes and Comitiae |
| From: |
"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 19:47:32 -0400 |
|
Salvete Erici et alii
I think that it's too soon to assume that the tribes and centuries will
prove ineffective. Of course, after the tribal/centuriate system will have
been tried, someone could draw up a lex, and submit it to the appropriate
magistrate to vote to amend the constitution to remove the system.
But there's no way that anyone can identify real problems with the system
now, because it does not yet exist.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Friday, June 18, 1999 8:21 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Tribes and Comitiae
:From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
:
:We get the Tribes and Comitiae so that Nova Roma has a legal government in
keeping with
:its constitution, then we have a legal election amending the constitution
so that we can
:have direct voting. Any problem there? What do you think?
:
:Ericius
:
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| Subject: |
Re: Report of meeting at Roman Days |
| From: |
"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 19:58:54 -0400 |
|
Salvete Cassia et alii
Thanks so much for posting that. I'm sorry that I couldn't be there.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
:From: -------- <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a>
:
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| Subject: |
Re: a Convocation |
| From: |
"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:09:59 -0400 |
|
Salvete Marce Cassi et alii
:Anyone have further thoughts?
:
The U.S. East Coast would be closer for citizens living in Europe, and there
are quite a few of them, aren't there?
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
:Vale,
:
:Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: a Convocation |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:21:46 -0700 |
|
Gaius Marius Merullus wrote:
> Salvete Marce Cassi et alii
>
> :Anyone have further thoughts?
> :
> The U.S. East Coast would be closer for citizens living in Europe, and there
> are quite a few of them, aren't there?
I do not think the air fares are that much different for a Dallas flight than for a New
York flight. It's not like they're walking :-) With the Great Circle Route (over the
pole) San Francisco isn't that bad. Alitalia now has direct flights to SFO from Roma. And
Dallas-Fort Worth is actually easier for a European to get a flight into than the Greater
New York Area. ;-) But this something the Nova Romans in Europe should really speak up
about. I hope they do check in on this.
Ericius.
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