| Subject: |
Re: a Convocation |
| From: |
heckifiknow@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:50:07 +0200 |
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Salve,
as another European I have to fully agree to what Claudius Nigellus
said.
Though living on the wrong side of the Rhine in former free Germania ;-)
As a student , travelling to the US would just for a weekend is nearly
impossible. ( of course I would love to meet my fellow citizens and it
would certainly be much fun)
Vale
Lucius Metellus
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| Subject: |
Role of the Citizen (LONG; was: the comitae.) |
| From: |
legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:47:11 -0500 (CDT) |
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Salvete omnes...
I am responding to Cassius' post of the 18th; some references may be
dated, and I ask that no one take offense if I do not mention something
of theirs that was written since...
Our esteemed Proconsul and Censor wrote:
>Basically, the tribes and comitiae will end direct voting in Nova
>Roma...[snippage]...This is one of the many reasons why I've found it
>odd that so many people are so hotheaded about this issue. They are in
>fact screaming to somewhat lessen the impact of the individual Citizen
>within Nova Roma.
The establishment of the Comitiae could only lessen the impact of the
individual Citizen if the individual Citizen had any. In the current
Administration I have not found this to be the case. Whereas, within
weeks of my acceptance into NR, I was privileged to take part in the
amendment of the Constitution by a direct e-mail vote, nothing like
that has happened since last August. The Senate does not present
proposed leges to us; we do not vote directly on affairs of state; we
do not exercise any function analagous to that of the Comitiae at all.
Indeed, as strongly highlighted by the recent dispute over the Web
site, it's become apparent that there is quite a bit of confusion
regarding the duties and role of the ordinary Citizen in the scheme of
things. One Quaestor's words summarize what could be called 'the party
line':
> ...if you feel that you must have further information, then get it
> from those who serve you and at least look at all sides of it before
> you criticize...[snip]...You have elected two good men as Consuls...
> Why will you not believe it, and if you don't believe it why do you
> not call upon us to answer your questions. It is my understanding
> that this is the way things are set up.
In practice it has seldom worked out that way. Questions and comments
from concerned Citizens--and even some Magistrates--have often found
much less than a warm welcome or a simple, informational response. Our
Senate in particular has been seen as secretive, unresponsive, and at
times downright hostile in its dealings with the Citizenry. Even those
of us who want to trust to the best intentions of the Administration
have rubbed up against what could easily be taken for a siege
mentality.
I will include excerpts from the Web-team debate to show what we're up
against without the Comitiae or some other way of being heard. Each of
these touches in some way on what the speaker feels to be the proper
relationship between Citizen and Magistrate. I have left off the names
from the quotes in most cases, indicating only the offices held; my
intent here is to focus attention on a phenomenon, not on the
individuals whose responses illustrate it:
[a Senator]
> ...every time we try to do something concrete, we get sidetracked
> with all these stupid issues that have to do with who's getting their
> delicate little feelings hurt, or who just likes to make showy
> speeches.
[a Quaestor]
> ...it is the Magistrate who must absorb that data, work it down to a
> final set of decisions, balance what is best for NR, and within his/
> her imperium make that decision. That is not an easy thing to do, it
> is infinately harder when you have citizens who only have their
> opinions and little else questioning your every move from a refuge...
> [snip]...In addition to the consistant work load required, one
> must put up with second guessing and constant explanation to those
> for whom one has supposedly been acting...
I have always thought it my duty as a concerned Citizen to take part in
public debate on the issues of the day; to present ideas when I have
them; to tell the government when I think it's doing the wrong
thing--or the right one; and to accept any final decisions made as
being that leg of the course for the ship of state. However, this is
exactly the sort of activity that has evoked the resentment expressed
in these statements. The sum conclusion of that particular debate
seemed to be that it is the duty of a Nova Roman Citizen to sit down,
shut up, and eat one's veggies. I want very much not to believe this.
However, I am not the only one here who has noticed this:
[an ordinary Citizen]
> It's sometimes hard to state one's opinion, or even state a fact,
> without being perceived as being critical.
And it is not only the just-plain-Quirite whose participation is
affected. I was most surprised (and not a little dismayed) to read
this post from Cassius Censor in response to another Senator, also
quoted:
[Cassius]
> As a Citizen, Senator, and Censor of Nova Roma, I have many opinions
> and things to say in the NR government. Germanicus is a Senator and
> also has opinions and things to contribute. If someone writes to
> either of us about an issue, we reply as Senators or whatever.
[the other Senator]
>> When Cassius and Germanicus give their opinions, many citizens
>> regard them not as opinions from knowledgeable fellow citizens, but
>> as pronouncements from on high: it places an impossible burden on
>> them, and does no good for the form of government we've chosen to
>> follow.
[Cassius]
> I'm not unaware of this idea...[snip]...the only solution would seem
> to be for both Germanicus or myself to never speak at ALL, either in
> the Senate, or on the Email list, by personal letters, or in the live
> chat.
For the record, I personally have never met a Citizen who regarded
anything said by either of our Founders as having any more weight--or
any less!--than the testimony of any other Citizen who has been
consulted as a 'resident expert'. I keep seeing my name mentioned in
requests for info on military and historical topics; why should someone
hesitate to ask Cassius or Germanicus about a constitutional matter?
Yet for this I have been accused of wanting to do an end-run around the
system, or disrupt it altogether; and, as we can see, Cassius himself
felt the only way to keep the critics happy would have been to severely
limit his participation.
I, for one, am glad he decided not to do this. However, many
Citizens--myself included--have felt stymied and frustrated by what
passes for the political process here. There are reasons why I have
not been heard from on anything of real import in over three months; I
have sat down, shut up, and eaten my veggies to see if things worked
any better that way. Other Cives have not been so patient, and have
either withdrawn their contributions or left us altogether. Here are
some perspectives on the effect this atmosphere (a virtual gag-order)
has had on the Web-site issue and thus, in microcosm, on the Republic:
[a Quaestor]
> ...give serious thought to a hot-headed message and what it will do
> to our nation. At the very least it will rip the fabric of what we
> are all trying to build, and at worst, as in the past has cost
> valuable citizens and only the Gods know how many unfulfilled
> opportunities.
Somehow it was missed by certain Magistrates that they, too, must
consider before posting a hot-headed message; that their doing so, even
more than a just-plain-Citizen doing so, can also rip the fabric and
deny us opportunities.
[an ordinary Citizen]
> I hope no one frustrated him [Germanicus] into NOT wanting to
> maintain the site...
I think we did, Quirite; I think we did... I think this attitude has
frustrated a lot of people into not wanting to do a lot of things, and
it's Nova Roma's loss.
Respectfully, regretfully....
---
__________ _<~) __________
<-\\\\@@@@@) /##\ (@@@@@////-> Märia Villarroel <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
<-\\\@@@@(#####@@@@///-> Historical Re-Creationist
<-\\\*##*///-> and Citizen of Rome
o---<<<<||SPQR||>>>>---o Latin lessons, History lectures
///\\\ Role-playing Games, too!
aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends
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| Subject: |
Re: Convocation |
| From: |
legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:32:10 -0500 (CDT) |
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Salvete, onmes...
>Marcus Minucius Audens rises in Forum to address the topic of
>Convocation:
> I really think until such time as NR can develop funding to assist in
> such large member convocations in a central place, that localized
> meetings, if a Senate quorum can be garnered, will do wonders for NR.
And Marius Fimbria replies: And how many Senators are going to be
available for a regional gathering anywhere west of the District of
Columbia?
Quoth Cassius Censor:
> Getting together in person has been one of the largest priorities for
> Nova Roma. It is in fact the reason why the Provincia were set up,
> with Praetors to help coordinate local "in-person" meetings and
> events.
Texas and the Southwest Provincia have neither a Praetor nor any
Senators. How, then, would a regional meeting in the Southwest
Province be able to have any effect at all?
> Those who for whatever reason cannot make a convocation could simply
> write to a friend / colleague who will be willing to assist and ask
> that their ideas be brought forward and assign a proxy vote.. With
> planning, this idea could apply to the Senators as well..
Proxies for Senators? A Senator to designate someone to represent the
central admin. at a regional meeting? Could work, if I understand it
correctly...but you still wouldn't have anything like a quorum.
> This is the way business in all of my wide-spread activities are
> handled and it seems to answer well, within my world at least.
Perhaps if someone could explain the concept to me, it might be the
answer to my requirements also.
>...if anyone sees flaws in this plan, I would much appreciate
>him / her taking the time to point them out.
And so have I dropped the pebble; we'll see which way the water
ripples!
Yours under the Eagles,
---
__________ _<~) __________
<-\\\\@@@@@) /##\ (@@@@@////-> Märia Villarroel <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
<-\\\@@@@(#####@@@@///-> Historical Re-Creationist
<-\\\*##*///-> and Citizen of Rome
o---<<<<||SPQR||>>>>---o Latin lessons, History lectures
///\\\ Role-playing Games, too!
aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends
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| Subject: |
Re: Convocation (REPOST) |
| From: |
legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:36:20 -0500 (CDT) |
|
(My apologies for the first edition; I forgot to correctly attribute
the last few quotes:)
Salvete, onmes...
>Marcus Minucius Audens rises in Forum to address the topic of
>Convocation:
> I really think until such time as NR can develop funding to assist in
> such large member convocations in a central place, that localized
> meetings, if a Senate quorum can be garnered, will do wonders for NR.
And Marius Fimbria replies: And how many Senators are going to be
available for a regional gathering anywhere west of the District of
Columbia?
Quoth Cassius Censor:
> Getting together in person has been one of the largest priorities for
> Nova Roma. It is in fact the reason why the Provincia were set up,
> with Praetors to help coordinate local "in-person" meetings and
> events.
Texas and the Southwest Provincia have neither a Praetor nor any
Senators. How, then, would a regional meeting in the Southwest
Province be able to have any effect at all?
Minucius Audens writes:
> Those who for whatever reason cannot make a convocation could simply
> write to a friend / colleague who will be willing to assist and ask
> that their ideas be brought forward and assign a proxy vote.. With
> planning, this idea could apply to the Senators as well..
Proxies for Senators? A Senator to designate someone to represent the
central admin. at a regional meeting? Could work, if I understand it
correctly...but you still wouldn't have anything like a quorum.
Audens again:
> This is the way business in all of my wide-spread activities are
> handled and it seems to answer well, within my world at least.
Perhaps if someone could explain the concept to me, it might be the
answer to my requirements also...
...and thus Audens:
>...if anyone sees flaws in this plan, I would much appreciate
>him / her taking the time to point them out.
And so have I dropped the pebble; we'll see which way the water
ripples!
Yours under the Eagles,
---
__________ _<~) __________
<-\\\\@@@@@) /##\ (@@@@@////-> Märia Villarroel <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
<-\\\@@@@(#####@@@@///-> Historical Re-Creationist
<-\\\*##*///-> and Citizen of Rome
o---<<<<||SPQR||>>>>---o Latin lessons, History lectures
///\\\ Role-playing Games, too!
aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends
---
__________ _<~) __________
<-\\\\@@@@@) /##\ (@@@@@////-> Mria Villarroel <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
<-\\\@@@@(#####@@@@///-> Historical Re-Creationist
<-\\\*##*///-> and Citizen of Rome
o---<<<<||SPQR||>>>>---o Latin lessons, History lectures
///\\\ Role-playing Games, too!
aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends
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| Subject: |
Nova Roma Grand Convocation |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:17:26 -0400 (EDT) |
|
I like your idea extremely and think it well worth planning for. The
flight across the Atlantic will be diddiult for me, but I suppose I
could take a bottle of "Pink Gin" with me for solace (<Grin>).
The following is in no way a stab at one upsmanship, but just to let you
know that I personnally do have some grounding in the antiquities:
--I have visited Rome on three different occasions and visited most of
the more well-known Roman ruins and structures;
--I have gone to the top of Mts. Etna and Vesuvius and walked the crater
trail in both;
--I have visited Pompeii and taken extensive tours of the ruined city;
--I lived for two years in Spain and have visited most of the Roman
Ruins there (two of my parchment drawings that are for sale through
Nova Roma are of Roman Bridges in Spain);
--I have visited the city of Mycenae and the ancient Roman structures
still standing on the island of Crete;
--I have visted the city of Naples and the Roman Ruins there;
--I have visted North Africa and seen the Roman Fortress ruins far out
in the desert;
--I have visted many of the Roman works in France and have seen and
wondered at the Pont Du Gard;
--I have visited England and Scotland eight times and never fail to
include at least one Roman Site in each visit. I have in company with
my wife visited every site and museum along Hadrian's Wall and most of
the sites along the Antonine Wall in Scotland.
--I have visted the Island Of Rhodes, Pieareus and Athens Greece;;
-- I have visited the Roman Ruins in Ismir, Turkey, and Alexandria,
Egypt;
--I have been attentive to the Roman Ruins in Sicily, and have briefly
visited the island of Minorca. and have spent a week in Amsterdam.
I believe that the above qualifies me for an opinion regarding Nova
Roman future dictates and policy. As I have said, I like your idea
extremely and will post my support of it to the Onelist.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Convocation |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:18:52 EDT |
|
In a message dated 6/21/1999 5:32:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> write--------r>
<< From: <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
Salvete, onmes...
>Marcus Minucius Audens rises in Forum to address the topic of
>Convocation:
> I really think until such time as NR can develop funding to assist in
> such large member convocations in a central place, that localized
> meetings, if a Senate quorum can be garnered, will do wonders for NR.
And Marius Fimbria replies: And how many Senators are going to be
available for a regional gathering anywhere west of the District of
Columbia?
Cassius:
Never mind Senators... what about Citizens? We've got a lot of Provincial
territory out there that's completely unoccupied as yet. I'd certainly be
willing to take a major trip to attend a convocation, but only if there were
going to be more than say, ten other Nova Romans in attendance.
Quoth Cassius Censor:
> Getting together in person has been one of the largest priorities for
> Nova Roma. It is in fact the reason why the Provincia were set up,
> with Praetors to help coordinate local "in-person" meetings and
> events.
Fimbria:
Texas and the Southwest Provincia have neither a Praetor nor any
Senators. How, then, would a regional meeting in the Southwest
Province be able to have any effect at all?
Texas has no Praetor because no one there has been willing to do the job, (or
take the oath required to do the job). That situation itself ought to be
worked with before anyone starts getting upset about whether or not there is
little early to be upset about whether or not a Senator lives in the state.
> Those who for whatever reason cannot make a convocation could simply
> write to a friend / colleague who will be willing to assist and ask
> that their ideas be brought forward and assign a proxy vote.. With
> planning, this idea could apply to the Senators as well..
Fimbria:
Proxies for Senators? A Senator to designate someone to represent the
central admin. at a regional meeting? Could work, if I understand it
correctly...but you still wouldn't have anything like a quorum.
Cassius:
Its entirely possible that the first few convocations wouldn't have a quorum
for Senate decisions. However, they *would* be a way for Citizens to meet
face to face, and get to know each other as something besides an opposing
argument on the other side of a computer screen. ;)
Vale,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: Grand Convocation |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:20:40 -0400 (EDT) |
|
My friend, it seems that I have been in th minority all my life and it
is one of my unforntunate hallmarks (Grin).
I understand what you say and have just dispatched a message to my good
friend who is the ProPraetor of California, explaining to him that I
expect the Praetors of the other provinces to do the same or similar
actions that I am doing for the purpose of getting NR people together.
Your idea of a Grand Convocation in Europe (Rome-at least the first
time) is a great one, but I would also like to gather some support here
at home for a "Roman Days" event in my neck of the woods and get a
chance to talk about your idea seriously, to see what "all" of us could
do in the area of organizing such.
If you had a similar convocation in England, and if it were at all
possible, then I would be glad to attend that one as well. In the
minority, oh yes sir!!! However, like most other folks, I can only do
what I can do, and again like other folks that is usually tied up in
many ways with where I live. I have seen no similar offers to mine on
the net recently, except the meeting in the NE and then in Maryland. I
was inspired by those activities and felt that I could offer something
on my own to help those who could come to meet and do something
constructive for NR. If my friends in Brazil want to do the same, then
if possiible I would be happy to attend there. Of course you have only
my word for that, but I guess you must start somewhere..
I am most selfishly eager to see the "Iron Gates" of the Danube River
too, and to meet my friends in Pannonia, and to cruise the Danube and
the Rhine and try to locate those places where bridges were placed by
Rome, when the area becomes stable again. There is no-one there who
currently is a Praetor but the Citizens are quite active and seem like
very good people.
I think that we agree in principle, and I do not feel that I am one of
the "old hands" at all. I view myself as a newcomer to Nova Roma
because I am a student of Rome and not a believer of the Religio. I can
respect the Gods and do so, but I must abstain from anything further.
Thus in my own mind I will be the perrenial "newcomer.."
Thank you for your most kind post, and your ideas are as good as
anyone's. Don't worry about sticking your head above the parapet and
getting shot at. I have already received two hostile posts this
morning, and it only stings for a little while (<Grin>). I intend to
recommend to the Consuls that an agenda item to put before Nova Roma and
recommend to be placed on the agenda of all future provincial
convocations for the consideration of a Grand Convocation in Rome at
some time in the future.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens.
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Convocation |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:29:16 -0400 |
|
Salvete,
We just had a meeting at Roman Days. This event was planned for a
year, right on the heels of last years Roman Days, so there was plenty of
time to make arrangements. YET only a few of Nova Romani showed up.
Propraetrix Minervina Iucundia took the time and expense to fly from St.
Petersburg/Tampa Fl. The Cassii drove from Maine and Audens drove from Conn.
(actually a long drives to the DC area). I had hoped to have at least a
Quorum of the Senate so that we could have votes in person. You could say I
was disappointed in that regard.
I think that for the time being we should consider a well attended
regonal/Povincial meeting a great sucess. As for having a meeting in Roma or
anywhere in Europe I would love to go. I lived in Italy and have been to
many of the same places Audens catalogued, I still have a valid passport and
as retired navy I can get a military flight for very little. However, I
would need to be assured that it would be worth my time and money to make an
intercontinental flight to hold a meeting that for the time being could be
held within a few hours drive from my home.
Valete, Lucius Equitius
For your information
Australia-9; Brazilia-24; Britannia-28; Canada-6; Italia-14; Lusitania-3;
Mexico-1
Slovakia-2; Spain-1; Thule-6; Yugoslavia-1
Total-95
Nova Roma Total-289
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------;
><< From: <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
> >Marcus Minucius Audens rises in Forum to address the topic of
> >Convocation:
> > I really think until such time as NR can develop funding to assist in
> > such large member convocations in a central place, that localized
> > meetings, if a Senate quorum can be garnered, will do wonders for NR.
> And Marius Fimbria replies: And how many Senators are going to be
> available for a regional gathering anywhere west of the District of
> Columbia?
>Cassius:Never mind Senators... what about Citizens? >
>Quoth Cassius Censor:
>> Getting together in person has been one of the largest priorities for
> > Nova Roma. It is in fact the reason why the Provincia were set up,
Fimbria:
> Texas and the Southwest Provincia have neither a Praetor nor any
> Senators.
>Texas has no Praetor because no one there has been willing to do the job,
(or
>take the oath required to do the job).
>Cassius:
>Its entirely possible that the first few convocations wouldn't have a
quorum
>for Senate decisions.
>Vale, Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: Tribes and Comitiae |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:49:01 EDT |
|
In a message dated 6/18/99 8:24:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< We get the Tribes and Comitiae so that Nova Roma has a legal government in
keeping with
its constitution, then we have a legal election amending the constitution so
that we can
have direct voting. Any problem there? What do you think? >>
I can support that. Unless the tribes and centuries would prohibit such an
amendment being passed in order to keep voting power in the hands of a group.
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: a Convocation |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:05:04 EDT |
|
In a message dated 6/19/99 1:37:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=137166066112082162090021200165114237071048139" >Cassius622@--------</a> writes:
<< but
there's the difficulty that most of our U.S. Citizens live in coastal areas.
Anyone have further thoughts?
>>
Why can't it travel each year to a different location? Thus if someone can't
make it to Chicago one year, New York next year may work better...or San
Francisco the following year...or where-ever.
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Convocation (REPOST) |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:23:40 -0400 (EDT) |
|
As you say you have dropped the pebble, and the rings will circulate
evenly as they always do unless some large obstruction is placed in
their way. Your post has two concerns that I can decypher, but no
clear-cut questions, so I will attempt to answer as well as I can. In
regard to the Senator Proxies:
--This is a suggeston and appears nowhere in the Constitution. In all
of the organiations that I belong to when a vote comes up, and someone
can not be there he / she provides a written form outlining his / her
wishes and designating a fellow member to cast the vote by proxy. In
the case of Senator Proxies (if such a thing was seen to have value to
NR) it would be an attempt to get a quorum of Senators available, in
that way, to a Regional Convocation. It was agreed by all who attended
the Maryland Convocation / Meeting that such would have been useful as
our face to face meeting was so positive. The forms are available for
review and adaptation to NR if they are desired. I hope that answers
that question. If not let me know and I will try again.
--I believe that Censor and Senator Cassius has answered your question
about Senator attendance west of Washington D.C.. I echo his sentiments
that Senators are not the thrust of these meetings (they are of course
most welcome to attend) but the convocations are not about them
necessarily but about NR.
--I believe that your question regarding the Southwest Province has also
been answered by Censor and Senator Cassius. In any event it would have
been necessary for me to go to a Senator or a Consul in order to answer
that question, since that is a situation over which I have no control.
I have made my recommendations previously in that area, of which you are
well aware, and I have no further input to that subject.
--At the Maryland Meeting we had two Senators and would have had three
had not a last minute work requirement been forced on one of their
number. Since there are five Senators currently listed in NR if we had
had one proxy present at the meeting we would have had a quorum or at
least a majority.
Although this next is really off topic, it is meant in a kindly and
informative way. There is no requirement for the Praetor of a Province
to solely be responsible for organizing a convocation within a province.
Any citizen can make those arrangements. You are an officialy appointed
Military Tribune of Nova Roma and that office alone, in my estimation,
would entitle you to set up a meeting / convocation in your area, or in
conjuction with our excellent Praetor of the South East with whom you
mentioned you had been working. That would be, it seems to me an
achievable goal, and worth a great deal to the organization of NR, just
as your recruiting efforts in your province have been. The Propraetor
of the West Coast may also be willing to work with you in setting up a
convocatin of the two provinces with the meeting set in a central
location.. .
I hope that I have answered your questions to your satisfaction. If I
have not managed that, remember that I am not a very good politician,
but I would be more than willing to try again, as I value your comments
and ideas..
Respectfully; and With Friendship;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: a Convocation |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:11:11 -0400 (EDT) |
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I like the idea of a Grand Convocation in Rome (or other European Roman
attraction) every 3 to 5 years, with an annual Provincial Convocation
from each of the provinces. Not everybody could go to all of them, but
some ought to be able to go to some of them. If any indvidual provnce
does not have sufficient citizens, then perhaps two or more provinces
could get together and put on a Multi-Convocation. It certainly is not
the answer of the world, but the point is to get our people together, as
best we can, and I seriously doubt that there is any one solution
because of the distances and time that are involved.
The real problem here is to muster our resources in the areas where
there is a good chance of putting on a convocation, selecting a time and
place for the best possible attendance and do it.
Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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Role of the Citizen--Addendum (*short*) |
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legion6@-------- |
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Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:19:29 -0500 (CDT) |
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Salvete iterum, and my apologies...
It would seem that, as long as my initial post on this subject was, I
still managed to submit it unfinished. My original intent was to ask
the question, 'What is the proper role of the ordinary Citizen in Nova
Roman public life?'; to quote excerpts from an example of debate by way
of demonstrating why there *was* a question; and then to encourage
consideration of the question in this forum. I seem to have done all
of the above except to actually ask the question...!
Please accept this as a clarification of purpose, and I am sorry for
any undue confusion or disturbance that may have been caused by the
incomplete state of the original post.
-- Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends
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Re: Role of the Citizen--Addendum (*short*) |
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jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:31:22 -0400 (EDT) |
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Question: What is the role of a Nova Roman citizen in public life???
Answer: Hmmmmm!! This is an question that has almost as many answers
as there are citizens, due to the amount of time that he / she can allot
to the organization, how much he or she knows about the organization and
the topic(s) that the organizatio is built around:
--Vote, always cast your vote for the officer candidates, and make some
effort to define the best candidate for each position;
--Run for office if you have the time, and are a person who feels they
can think on their feet, and provide services to others;
--Volunteer for needed organization work to be done based on your
allotted time and expertise;
--Volunteer your ideas for a better organzation in a smooth and
non-controversial way. Remember that virtually every point that you
bring up will have its defender(s) and while most members are looking
for a way to improve the organization, sometimes personal creations die
hard;
--Look at the possibilties of putting on event in your area, or serve on
a committee for that purpose;
--Keep in regular contact with your elected representative, remembering
that if you choose a Consul, Censor or Senator they will, in all
likelyhood, be very busy. If you receive no reply within a few days
send the message again and number the repeat. If that still doesn't
work send your message to another magistrate whom you have faith in and
maintain a record.
--Make your questions clear and as specific as possible. Remember that
general questions cover a lot of ground not to mention opinions and are
difficult to sum up;
--Join or develop a committee for a set of special interests or develop
a Sodalist for your particular favorite aspect of Roman Culture.
Consider joining an existing Sodalist and taking on a project with the
Sodalist Leader's concurrence;
--Consider joining the other lists that are offered
for a variety of information;
--Consider the Romano Religio as it is the basis of Nova Roma and
deserves the research and study of it's rich history or the involvement
of your inner self if you are so inclined;
--Read the Constitution and the NR Web page thoroughly, and re-read it
perodically. Consider participating in the Bulletin Board, Chat Room,
or on list;
--Attend planned activities as you may, and when you cannot send a
message wishing those that can well and ask if there is any way that you
can help;
--Speak out with praise at an individual or action even if you are not
sure to what extent it is praiseworhty.
--Hold your temper and comments that could be construed as critical
until the information has at least been confirmed by another source.
Read your words to yourself, and put yourself in the place of the
recipient. If you don't like what is being said, don't send it; Find
another way to say it.
--Remember that like you others make honest mistakes. Some are realized
and others are not. Be gentle with your fellow members;
--Remember that like you, others even the officers have a finite amount
of time to spend with the organization;
--Be foremost about the organization to which you belong, and be proud
enough of it to spread the word. Once spread don't be militant about
it, we are not looking for numbers at the expense of quality.
As a last item I share with you the rules of writing that were given to
me as a very junior Naval Warrant Officer, I have used them as my
guidelines since 1967 and wish that I had had them far earlier in my
life:
RULES FOR GOOD WRITING
--Think before you write and know exactly what you want to say;
--Consider who your readers are, what they want and what they need to
know;
--Write only what needs to be said and nothing more;
--Write everything that needs to be said and nothing less;
--State the message in as few words as possible without sacrificing
clarity;
--Keep sentences under control, short simple and direct (I need more
practice on this one--Grin):
--Use words common to all readers (if you must use latin put an english
translation by it so others may enjoy your wit and insight);:
--Carefully weigh the advisability of using any emotionally loaded
phrasings (you may forgert it later, but you my be sure that the
recipient will remember it long after you have forgotten);
--If the message is important or complicated have another person read
it, and ask them questions about the content to insure that the
information is transmitted as intended;
--Reread your message before sending not only for typing errors but also
with an eye as to the impression it will make and the reaction it will
illicit;
--When you have accomplished all these actions, be satisfied with what
you have written and send it out.
My dear sir, these are my best attempt tonight. I am sure that my
colleagues and fellow citizens all have their own favorite
requirement(s) that I have forgotten, simply because your question
really has no compact answer. I hope these few ideas will suffice at
least to get you started, and please remember that most of these are
still in the idea stage and not chipped in stone anywhere, and further
they are my ideas,and not everyone's
Vale, My Valued Trbune;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Role of the Citizen--Addendum (*short*) |
| From: |
"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:54:18 -0400 |
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Salvete Marce Minuci et alii
Two things that I would like to add to your excellent list:
Enjoy Nova Roma
I think that our micronation will flourish if we strive to enjoy it (and
each other's company, in whatever form and frequency we have it). If we can
maintain an atmosphere of mutual respect and positivity, more people may be
inclined to join, stay and contribute.
Study Roma
and practice its elements in life to the fullest of your ability. As Cassia
and Cincinnatus have indicated, none of us would suffer from an attempt to
examine the virtues and try to incorporate them into daily life.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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