| Subject: |
Re: Convocation |
| From: |
heckifiknow@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:09:59 +0200 |
|
Salve Lucius,
the idea of a convocation in Europe or at an elswhere more central place
for all, is that it would give nonamerican citizens the oportunity to
join in and get in personal contact to others. As long as the meetings
will take place in the US Nova Roma will be in danger to become a
American-only thing.
P.S. What about Germany, Netherlands ,etc? How many members do we have
there?
Vale
Lucius Metellus
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| Subject: |
Re: Role of the Citizen--Addendum (*short*) |
| From: |
legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:03:49 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Salvete, omnes...
Hmmm....maybe I should focus the question a bit. Several Cives have
posted some excellent suggestions as to 'What is there for a
just-plain-Citizen to DO?'; I'm sure this information will be
invaluable to the newbies, and even to some of us relative long-timers
who could use the reminder of just how varied our options are here.
But the question I asked was, 'What is the proper role
(duties/expectations) of the ordinary Nova Roman Citizen in *public
life*?' i.e., the nation's political affairs? I asked this from a
background that has (as documented in my lengthier post) given me the
odd and queasy feeling that Citizen input is not exactly a welcome
thing here nowadays. I may be wrong (I hope I'm wrong!); I am willing
to be convinced otherwise; and the good way to do it would be to get
feedback from Citizens, including those who happen to be Magistrates,
on the following:
What is the proper and acceptable way for a common Citizen to:
-- Present an idea?
-- Propose a change?
-- Ask a question?
-- Lodge a complaint?
Who does s/he contact initially, and if the matter cannot be decided or
is not satisfactorily resolved at that level, how high up the chain may
s/he climb?
Perhaps someone knowledgeable in these things could present a
comparison of what the process would be before and after the
establishment of the Comitiae?
I'm thinking discussion of this might also be helpful to our
Magistrates in clarifying the boundaries of their respective
offices...there comes a time when you can't do any more for the
petitioner than you already have, and must hand him/her off to the next
higher level; alternatively, this may show those near the top where and
to whom it would be okay to delegate.
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| Subject: |
Re: Convocation |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:52:21 -0400 |
|
Salvete L Metellus
>Salve Lucius,>
>
Since you posted this to the list I will answer the list; however,
If you wish to ask me, address only me.
>the idea of a convocation in Europe or at an elswhere more central place
>for all,
Well since we have so many Cives in Brazil, perhaps we should all go to the
Azores or Cape Verde. Then there are the citizens in Australia, humm...
Hawaii maybe?
>is that it would give nonamerican citizens the oportunity to
>join in and get in personal contact to others. As long as the meetings
>will take place in the US Nova Roma will be in danger to become a
>American-only thing.
>
There have been meetings in Europe sponsored by Gens Claudia Lucentia. Of
course I understand the implications of having the any meeting in the United
States.
>
>P.S. What about Germany, Netherlands ,etc? How many members do we have
>there?
&g--------le, Lucius Me--------us &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=180056219163082131036067066024166165018048139046" &g--------ckifiknow@--------&l--------&g--------fon--------r>
>
I sent this to the list yesterday! As for Germany or the Netherlands they
are in most cases closer to Britannia than Maine is to Maryland.
" I think that for the time being we should consider a well attended
regonal/Povincial meeting a great sucess. As for having a meeting in Roma or
anywhere in Europe I would love to go. I lived in Italy and have been to
many of the same places Audens catalogued, I still have a valid passport and
as retired navy I can get a military flight for very little. However, I
would need to be assured that it would be worth my time and money to make an
intercontinental flight to hold a meeting that for the time being could be
held within a few hours drive from my home.
Valete, Lucius Equitius
For your information
Australia-9; Brazilia-24; Britannia-28; Canada-6; Italia-14; Lusitania-3;
Mexico-1
Slovakia-2; Spain-1; Thule-6; Yugoslavia-1
Total-95
Nova Roma Total-289"
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| Subject: |
Re: Role of the Citizen |
| From: |
Thomas Gangale TGangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:17:54 -0700 |
|
Salvete, omnes.
>Australia-9; Brazilia-24; Britannia-28; Canada-6; Italia-14; Lusitania-3;
>Mexico-1
>Slovakia-2; Spain-1; Thule-6; Yugoslavia-1
How is it, that with 24 Cives, Brazilia has no Praetor? And what about
Australia? C'mon, mates!
Valete,
Martianus
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| Subject: |
Grand Convocation / Regional (Provincial) Convocation |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:26:20 -0400 (EDT) |
|
I have posted to the net my feelings regarding the subjects and I
support the Consul fully in encouraging Provincial Convocations within
one's province. The idea is a sound one both from the standpoint of
strengthening NR and from the standpoint of sharing friendships.
I suppose someone will say, oh here comes Marcus Audens with his current
"political line", but it seems to make sense. think that I fully
understand the desire of other nations to host a Grand Convocation, and
I have nothing against that.
However, like many of us, I do not have access to unlimited funds or
unlimited time. Then it stands to reason that we should try to do with
what we have, rather than what we wish we had. If the citizens in Great
Britain can put together a Grand Convocation, I don;t think anyone will
object. If they do put on such, I will do my best to attend, but I
would like to know that I am not going to Great Britain to meet three or
four members and have a meeting and make some suggestions to the Senate.
Been there and done that.
If, however, Provincial Convocations are held in separate provinces and
adverised on the net, then if I can go I will (may not get to Australia
in my lifetime-money / time-not desire!!!), if I can't it is not really
a loss, because I belong to another province. I am sure everyone
understands this, so why don't the Provincial Praetors and Ciizens get
together, make up a committee,and draw up a straw man calendar for the
provinces and submit them for consideration (not permission) and then go
about making it happen.
I have volunteered my home and the facilities of my town for such but
because of the location on the Eastern Seaboard, little notice will be
taken of it. I do not feel that way about any of you, and this is not a
one-upsmanship / political play of any kind. I would really like to get
to meet all who could come and strenghen NR through face-to-face working
together. If there isany possibility of your approval and vsitation
then I would be glad to go ahead. If you feel that this is a poliical
play to "cut out" the people f other countries, then you make the
arrangements and I will (if at all possible) visit you. It would be
much easier anyway to dazzle my friends with my personnality and wisdom,
rather than put on such a show.
My last comment is that although we have about 50 people in countries
other than the U.S. I never get a chance to talk with them. I talk
regularly with a gentleman in Eastern Europe who speaks very good
english, but even if I had to buy a language dictionary, he would be a
lot of fun to talk with and well worth the effort. I would defnately
lke to hear from these people even if they don't speak English (or
American!!). It would be fun I think to puzzle out what was being said.
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Role of the Citizen--Addendum (*short*) |
| From: |
Exitil@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:16:32 EDT |
|
Yes, this information would be VERY helpful...and also a list of WHAT can be
changed.
<<What is the proper and acceptable way for a common Citizen to:
-- Present an idea?
-- Propose a change?
-- Ask a question?
-- Lodge a complaint?
Who does s/he contact initially, and if the matter cannot be decided or
is not satisfactorily resolved at that level, how high up the chain may
s/he climb?>>
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| Subject: |
Dividing up the country |
| From: |
"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:51:58 -0500 |
|
Salvete,
I try to stay out of this as much as I can, since I am probably not
the best organized civie around here.
What about 2 con-sie-who-sie-whatsits? One in the East (ie
America, Canada, Puerto Rico -- wherever) and one in the West
(Paris, London, some place in India?).
Basically we ("we" being my family) can't really go anywhere,
unless we plan well ahead and decide which we're going to do ..
travel with all 5 kids, travel with the '2nd shift' or travel with no one
under the age of 21. Am I willing to travel anywhere with the kids
right now? Sure, but not very far. US, Canada, tiny trips off the
continent (that means Cuba and Puerto Rico (and I refuse to be
happy if I do it) or some place in South America). I'd go faster if I
could stay in the neighborhood. Heck I would have gone to Roman
Days if I had remembered it before it had been over 2 days <G>.
Personally I think the "Trying to turn NR into the USNR" is silly (on
a good day). Good thing this isn't any sort of democracy, then
majority might rule. THEN WHAT?? It would probably stay in the
country with the most citizens of Nova Roma (That's Africa right
now, isn't it?). ::::gasp:::shudder:::
Crys (out of this sillyness and waiting for the next wave)
Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina
Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
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| Subject: |
Re: Convocation |
| From: |
heckifiknow@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:27:02 +0200 |
|
Salve Lucius,
perhaps I didnīt express myself correctly.
What I meant with "what about Germany , Netherlands" was that I thought
you might have information on the number of members in those countries,
not there aproximite distance to other places.
I would just like to know how many citizens are in my surounding, so
that I probably get in contact with them.
I donīt know how up to date the list of active gentes on the NR website
is. I am member for some month now and though I aplied as a new gens I
canīt see my name on the list.
Thatīs all :-)
Vale
Lucius Metellus
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| Subject: |
Nameless One |
| From: |
Exitil@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:38:36 EDT |
|
Sorry about not putting the name...
Alex Novus, trained monkey.
|
| Subject: |
Sovereign Nation |
| From: |
Exitil@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:37:22 EDT |
|
Since NR is a sovereign nation, what would it do if someone declared war
against it? Just curious. Sounds like a dumb question I know but I really
am interested in the answer.
|
| Subject: |
Nova Roma arithmetic |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:10:06 -0700 |
|
Just doing the arithmetic
Lucius wrote:
> For your information
> Australia-9; Brazilia-24; Britannia-28; Canada-6; Italia-14; Lusitania-3;
> Mexico-1
> Slovakia-2; Spain-1; Thule-6; Yugoslavia-1
> Total-95
> Nova Roma Total-289"
Nova Rom total: 289
Non-U.S. citizens 95
Which gives 194 Nova Roma citizens who live in the U.S.
It is not really meticrelevant that not all of that 194 are not U.S. citizens since were
are assumed to be discussing traveling from one's place of residence.
C. Aelius Ericius
Propraetor of California Provincia.
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| Subject: |
Re: Role of the Citizen--Addendum (*short*) |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:39:55 -0400 (EDT) |
|
As always your additions and suggestions are right to the point. Thanks
for the additions and be sure that I have added them to my list as soon
as I read them. Excellent thought
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Sovereign Nation |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:52:57 -0500 (CDT) |
|
On 06/22/99 16:37:22 you wrote:
>
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;
>
>Since NR is a sovereign nation, what would it do if someone declared war
>against it? Just curious. Sounds like a dumb question I know but I really
>am interested in the answer.
Sure you are.
We'd probably just send them a digest of your old posts...
-- Flavia Claudia
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| Subject: |
Re: Sovereign Nation |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:59:06 -0700 (PDT) |
|
We'd send you out there with a sword and shield.
Martianus
At 04:37 PM 6/22/99 EDT, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------; wrote:
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;
>
>Since NR is a sovereign nation, what would it do if someone declared war
>against it? Just curious. Sounds like a dumb question I know but I really
>am interested in the answer.
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| Subject: |
Re: Role of the Citizen--Addendum (*short*) |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:33:41 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Hmmmm! I thought that I answered this set of questions in a previous
post. Perhaps if I put it another way (Think Think Think).
I have it! I will give you an example of what I do and maybe that will
help. As most of the list will realize after just a few months there is
no Complaint Desk, BennieSugg. Box or Suggestion Drop in Nova Roma at
this time, and hopefully they are not needed. Here's what I do when I
join an organization. I usually listen more than I talk until I believe
I understand what is going on. Subscribe to the newsletter, submit
material to the newsletter, join organizations that interest me within
the organization or create one, Mak apoint to attend meetings or
activities if at all possible and if I can't notify someone and ask if
there is anything you can help with. Choose a project and get it
approved and then work on it. Depending on my time available I will run
for office if there is a need, and take the responsibility for learning
my seniors job whoever that may be. During that period, I like to
pinpoint people who think like I do and who seem to have the same
general goals that I do. This is I believe, the key to my strategy. In
doing this I hue closely to the Rules of Writing that I shared with
everyone, and in a fairly short period of time, I should have identifed
what things are all about and who has similar goals. During this period
I am usually trying to learn the ropes and so I do not concentrate so
much on finding fault.
Having completed my first phase, we come to the first of your questions:
--Ask a question--
I ask one of my new friends and usually they can answer me or direct me
to someone with the answer. If the question has to do with the
Constitution then I read the constitution;
--Lodge a complaint--
I ask one of my friends to evaluate my complaint (this is what I would
do, as I have not had the opportunity to complain about anything in Nova
Roma yet) and suggest a person to direct it to. I have recommended
about 15 times that this person should be a Jr. Magistrate as that is
the task of that individual. Allow the Magistrate to do his / her job.
If you get no response in a reasonable period of time (remember this is
just part of anyone's life and work, family, illness and vacation play
apart of most members of NR) then contact the Consuls. However, if you
are contacting a consul about something that he / she has already made a
decision upon, unless there is new information or data, leave it alone
(see suggest a change)!!!
--Suggest a change--
Get a couple of your friends and form a committee. Write the suggestion
/ proposed change in a formal and polite way, and once the members of
the committee have concurred send it to the Consul for review. The
Consul (either one) will review the proposal to determine if it does not
interfere with an existing rule or if the suggestion needs to be changed
to insure that the Senate passes such. Before you get excited about
that, tha's what we elected the consuls for. They have a working
relatonship with the Senate, and can often make suggestions that will
help you. The Consul helped me this way, and I suppose he will help any
other member as well.
Since none of this is chipped in stone, and since we are all friends
here, and since we are not angry, frustrated, upset, suspicious or
discontented (after all this is a volunteer organization) and you have
not savaged any of your friends verbally,or in writing then you ought to
get along pretty well and find the answers to your needs.
If I have misconstrued some area of responsibility in this message of
explanation, I would appreciate an update, since so far this procedure
has worked for me very wel.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Sovereign Nation |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:36:34 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Hey Martianus!!
Give the kid a javelin too!! It's only fair, but make it a little one,
as the sesterces are a little tight this month!!!!!
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Sovereign Nation |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:46:56 -0700 |
|
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> wrote:
> >From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;
> >
> >Since NR is a sovereign nation, what would it do if someone declared war
> >against it? Just curious. Sounds like a dumb question I know but I really
> >am interested in the answer.
>
> Sure you are.
> We'd probably just send them a digest of your old posts...
>
> -- Flavia Claudia
Oh! GODS! No, Flavia Claudia! If that didn't break the Inter-Micronational Agreement on
Humanitarian Conduct of War they would draft a law to forbid it.
Ericius
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| Subject: |
Re: Sovereign Nation |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:08:40 -0400 (EDT) |
|
My Brave Ericius;
I concur in your last most heartily. A punishment like that to the
enemy whoever that may be, would be worse that the dum-dum bullet and
the three edged bayonet all rolled together. After all we must follow
some measure of prudence even though we be under attack!!!!!!!!!
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Sovereign Nation |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:25:24 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Bravo, Flavia Claudia!
Point well taken! Sending Exitil out as ballista fodder would be a terrible
waste!
Your idea DEFINITELY has countervalue credibility! I've always adhered to
Sun Tzu's maxim that he conquers who prepares for battle so completely that
its outcome is foreordained. This was also the underlying strategy
philosophy of the Pax Romana: "If you want peace, prepare for war." Or as
the modern saying has it, "Peace through superior firepower." All of these
express the idea of deterrance.
Let's gather up the posts from Exitil, Engflan, and some of the others, and
issue a press release advising all the other governments on Earth that we
have such awesome power at our disposal. We can even translate them into
Latin, thereby giving us undisputed superiority in weapons of mass
declension. What better strategic deterrent capability could we ever devise?
Vale,
Martianus
At 07:52 PM 6/22/99 -0500, <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> wrote:
>From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a>
>
>On 06/22/99 16:37:22 you wrote:
>>
>>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;
>>
>>Since NR is a sovereign nation, what would it do if someone declared war
>>against it? Just curious. Sounds like a dumb question I know but I really
>>am interested in the answer.
>
>Sure you are.
>We'd probably just send them a digest of your old posts...
>
>-- Flavia Claudia
>
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| Subject: |
Provincial Sub-lists; Re: Brazilia |
| From: |
hadji hadji@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:09:34 +0200 |
|
Salvete Romani,
This is a kind of reply to the letter of our Brazilian citizen.
I absolutely agree with him.Few weeks ago I strated a campaign for
creating a NR sub-list for eastern Europe (like this one for Britannia
province). My first step was to ask for permission and assistment the
e-mail address of the webteam. The answer is enclosed below.
My second step was to ask personally citizens who are directly in the
web team. Probably I am too impatient, but today I was looking for the
e-mail address of the list manager Ms Flavia and when I did not find it
and have read the letter from Brazilia decided to write this.
I kindly ask all persons, who could help me to contact me at
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=180166080058082135090082190036" >hadji@--------</a>.
Multas gratias
Valete
Alex.Iul.Caes.Probus Mac.
> > <Salvete,
I would like to ask you for an approval (and help) to create another NR
sub-onelist like Britannia list is. The new list would have the same
aims as Britannia list have (the same text could be used with the small
addition that comunicative languages would be not specified), but for
the regio of eastern Europe and would unificate members from the Eastern
Europe. It could be named "Orbis Romanus Orientalis", but personally I
would prefere the name "Bizantine circle", as this name exactly
describes the specifics of the regio.
Thank you and I am looking for your answer.
Valete
Alex. Iulius Caesar Probus Mac.
> > The answer was:
> >
> > >>post Web team
> > po--------o Web team <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=230166020078056154033082190036244253132113238196077130152150" >failed....hadji@--------</a> i--------t
> > a subscriber>
> >
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