Forum Romanum


Subject:	Pythia's site update
From:	Pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:11:32 -0700

I have added some interesting new links in the religion section of my
site.

Come have a look
<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/ma/signoftheharp/religion.html" target="_top" >http://www.angelfire.com/ma/signoftheharp/religion.html</a>

Best, Pythia


Subject:	Re: Nova Rome at War? was "repost."
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:14:20 +0100

Salvete omnes

Although it seemed a joke to me, this question is a very important one.
I thank Q. F. Maximus for having answered it seriously, I would say in a
military professional way. I have been reading a book of Captain Waine P.
Hughes on Fleet Tactics and the style indeed looked the same.

This is just to say that the nature of war is always changing. We are in the
era of the war of Information. To attack Communications is a way of
hampering Comand&Control or even politic decisions. Nova Roma is a nation
based almost exclusively on communications, and as such that will be the
target chosen by hostile groups of nations. This problem must be thought
seriously and Nova Roma should establish procedures -DOCTRINE- for wartime
scenarios. This menace cannot be overlooked. I think that Q. F. Maximus'
posting is a good start for the development of our defence.

Valete omnes,

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Aedilis Plebis et Propraetor Lusitaniae

-----Original Message-----
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To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Thursday, June 24, 1999 8:31 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Nova Rome at War? was "repost."

>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>
>In a message dated 6/23/99 11:59:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;
>writes:
>
><< Just asking again, what would NR do if someone declared war on it. >>
>
>Salvete!
>Well like everybody else I kind of ignored the question, but as a military
>historian it sort of nagged me. So here I was at 3:00 AM in my research
>library scribbling notes.
>To wit:
>The first question to be asked would be why?
>Wars are fought for three reasons. Extend territory, protect sovereignty,
>and impose ideology.
>What would anyone get for attacking NR? We have no true territory. We are
a
>cybernation. We have no sovereignty to loose, all our provinces are with
us
>voluntarily. If Thule left us tomorrow, there would not be a lot we could
do
>about it.
>So it would be the third option, impose ideology, that would pose the most
>danger to our beloved micronation. Since we are a pagan micronation, lots
of
>people don't like us. That word "pagan" just makes a lot of people see red
>for some reason.
>As an example, at a party of journalists recently, one Christian
>fundamentalist accused Rome of killing Christ. I pointed out that if that
>was true, Rome did the Christians a favor, it got the cult off the
backwater
>of the East, and into spotlight of Rome.
>So assuming that a threat exists, how do they attack us? I suppose the
enemy
>could capture our database, learn where all the members reside and take us
>out 1 by 1. (Hmmm good script idea!)
>No if I was ordered to neutralize NR as threat, I'd start with the most
>important thing to any nation after GNP, communication. There is where we
>are most vulnerable. Take out the web page, and the Roma onelist and we
are
>blind and dumb.
>I have 30 address of NR citizens on my data base. We may be able to
continue
>operations at a reduced rate, but our recruitment would fall off to almost
>nothing. And that right now is the lifeblood of NR. Since we do not
collect
>taxes we have no true GNP except exports, and since the marketplace would
be
>disrupted, that too would cease to function. So the WEB page would be a
key
>target, as well as the personal that could restore it. (I'll bet Martinus
>has sweaty palms right now! <G>)
>Now what would be our response? First off we'd have to determine where the
>threat
>originated from. Then we would have to act. And act we would. We are
>Romans! We don't like being pushed around. We'll push back.
>First how does the Republic function in wartime? If we are using the
ancient
>Republic as an example, the following would probably happen:
>1. The Consuls would summon the Senate.
>This would be through e-mail, presumably all the Magistrates have the
>individual addresses of the Senators. This would take time, but since this
>is a cyberwar, the main objective of the enemy, the WEB site would already
be
>destroyed. So response time would not be so critical. I estimate 48 hours
>before all the Senate would be contacted.
>
>2. The Senate would meet.
>Again this would be through e-mail or perhaps, and I prefer this option,
>through a conference call via the telephone. This would be faster then
>individual e-mails and IMs. Again it is presumed that all the Senators
have
>each other's phone numbers.
>The Senate would have absolute power in this case. We citizens would have
no
>say. The Senatorial mission would be five fold. 1. Assign a Consul to
take
>charge
>and oversee the intelligence arm of Rome to determine the enemy. 2. Assign
a
>Consul to organize the counterattack, to commence once the enemy was
>identified and a casus belli issued. 3. Assign a Quaestor to act as
liaison
>between the Senate and people. This worthy would write dispatches
explaining
>to the populace what is going on. 4. Day to day functions in Rome would be
>turned over to the ranking Praetor Urbanus. 5. Open the doors of the Temple
>to Janius (virtually).
>
>3. The mobilization of Rome's resources.
>
>Thus by 72 hours, (Maybe less) Rome would be in the response phase. Rome's
>brightest minds would be at work attempting to recognize the enemy, and
>repair the damage to Rome's interstructure. Presumably the enemy would
leave
>trojan horses and worm viruses to hamper reconstruction and mobilization.
We
>would have to have virus experts disarm or neutralize them. Meanwhile, the
>Consul in charge of Rome's response with the cyberexperts would be plotting
>the counterattack. This would be the destruction of the enemies website
and
>the planting of our own viruses. (I understand the Praetor of SE province
>has some real nasty ones.)
>Once the enemy was identified and confirmed, a casus belli would be issued,
>ordering the hostile power to back down, and restore the status que, with
>reparations given to Rome. These reparations would be determined by the
>Senate.
>
>4. The Senate issues the Declaration of War.
>
>If the hostile power did not back down, the declaration of war would be
>issued. It's been sometime since I saw the Latin, so I'll paraphrase. "In
as
>much as the people of (insert hostile name here) have been guilty of a
wrong
>against the populace of Rome, and much as the Senate of the populace of
Rome
>have declared and decreed that shall be war with the (hostile name here),
>therefore the Senate and People of Rome declare and make war upon the
people
>of (hostile name here)!
>
>5. The Counterattack.
>After this legitimacy was established Rome would counterattack. The best
>Rome could hope to accomplish is MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction), that
is:
>proving that Rome can disrupt the enemy's communications as efficiently as
>the enemy can disrupt Rome's. Hopefully convinced that they could not
>eliminate Rome, they would withdraw from the conflict.
>
>6. The Aftermath.
>If the enemy requested a cessation of hostilities, first a truce (indutiae)
>would go into effect suspending the war, then a peace commission would be
>organized from ranking magistrates. They would meet (presumably in
>cyberspace) with the ranking hostiles and a peace treaty (feodus) would be
>proposed and details worked out.
>The commission would return, and present their findings to the Senate. The
>Senate in turn would ask for a vote of the comita centuriata, to issue a
>"iussus populi" whether to accept the peace treaty.
>
>Now granted this is all a flight of fancy but consider: Do we know all our
>cyber experts in NR? Can we contact them if some (the gods forbid!) thing
as
>the above scenario was to occur? I'm a member of Martinus' web team as a
>historical writer and architect of the virtual arena, but that all. I know
>to three "experts" in NR. But for the many of us to which the computer is
>our lifeline, I'm sure there are many more. Are they listed? Are they
>registered? Do we have their phone numbers?
>Therefore I leave you with this thought : "Remember Romans. If you desire
>peace, prepare for war."
>
>Velete
>Q. Fabius Maximus
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Subject:	Re: Nova Rome at War? was "repost."
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:16:26 -0700

Antonio Grilo wrote:

...

> I have been reading a book of Captain Waine P.
> Hughes on Fleet Tactics

...Good book. There is a lot of food for thought in it.

C. Aelius Ericius.


Subject:	Roman Maps and Pictures
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:04:08 -0400 (EDT)

NR Citizens;

The maps and pictures that were on display at Roman Days are still
available. If any are interested, if you will provide me an address by
personal E-Mail I will guarantee the address security and send you a
list of that material..

Those who have already given me your address, the list is on the way..

Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Nova Roma at War
From:	Nicolaus Moravius n_moravius@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:41:03 PDT

Quiritibus, plurimam salutem!

Scripsit Q. Fabius Maximus:

>(I understand the Praetor of SE province
>has some real nasty ones.)

-atque:

>I know to three "experts" in NR. But for the many of us to which the
>computer is our lifeline, I'm sure there are many more. Are they listed?
>Are they registered? Do we have their phone numbers?

- et post haec Minervina Iucundia Flavia:

>2. I have 4,423 different viruses to choose from, they do everything from
>killing pixels to making little ambulances race back and forth on your
>screen!

- and this is the kind of thing that begins to frighten the merda out of
meipsum:

(sic Alexandrus Novus):

>4423 viruses.... heh. You make all of them or get some from others?
- Nunc, Quirites, I respectfully suggest that specific details of any
further developments on our defence capability be subjected to the strictest
confidentiality (encryption, password protection and transmission solely on
a "need to know" basis). Seriously. Why should we risk giving away sensitive
information to anyone who happens to be lurking on the Main List?

I should also like to suggest something the erudite Q. Fabius Maximus
omitted from his otherwise excellent contingency plan: the internment of
suspicious aliens at the outbreak of hostilities (purely as a precautionary
measure, you understand, but I think we all know who that could mean).

Valete bene aut pacem aut bellum faciemus,

Vado.

(Quondam operations analyst, HMS CENTURION, 1993-1996)


Subject:	Re: Nova Roma at War (HUMOUR WARNING!!!!)
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:57:27 -0500

On 25 Jun 99, at 7:41, Nicolaus Moravius wrote:

> Seriously. Why should we risk giving away sensitive
> information to anyone who happens to be lurking on the Main List?

Now now, you know all the threats to the State are on the Back
Alley list!!!! The FBI and the CIA and all the acronym organizations
have all the addresses, phone numbers and personal data they
need on them.

Crys (ANYONE WHO TAKES THIS EVEN REMOTELY
SERIOUSLY IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF MEDICATION --- TAKE
A VALIUM OR SOMETHING, OK? -- SHEESH)
Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina

Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
Virgil

ICQ# 38493770
<a href="http://www.liberiorum.com" target="_top" >http://www.liberiorum.com</a>


Subject:	Re: Nova Roma at War (HUMOUR WARNING!!!!)
From:	Exitil@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:04:30 EDT

What is the "back alley" list?? And where do I join it, I searched on
Onelist and didnt see it.


Subject:	The Back Alley Info
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:27:23 -0500

On 25 Jun 99, --------4:04, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------; wrote:

> What is the "back alley" list?? And where do I join it, I searched on
> Onelist and didnt see it.

Your memory fails you. When you asked to join and I asked your
age, you told me you were under 17 (the minimum age to join) and
I told you to let me know when you got to be 17 and we'd give it a
whirl. You will not find the list as it is unlisted and restricted.
Anyone who wants on can be on as long as they are 17 and agree
not to disclose what is shared there with every Tomus, Dickus and
Harrius around. This is because of problems in the past we have
encountered.

The Back Alley is, if you will permit me, like a cyber hangout. Our
members are free to vent, bitch, joke, and speak freely their minds
that which they may not feel comfy posting here. The Back Alley
is not associated in any way shape or form with NR. It is my
creation during one of many alienation periods with NR. Not every
member of the Back Alley is a member of NR.

Some say the Back Alley houses some sort of "Faction". This is
nonsense. I do not do politics. I just saw and reacted to the need
for a, well, maybe a Bathhouse of sorts. <G>

Getting put on and/or getting removed from my list is at the
discretion of the list owner (me). I may or may not warn you of
impending removal, I may or may not bounce it off of the other
members. Membership is completely confidential. I tell no one
who is on the list. I occasionally change the list name for security
purposes. The Back Alley is not exactly a democracy.

At one time I even invited a Senator to view the list archives to
dispel any rumors (it was a bad month for all of us). The Senator
declined, and took my word (which has always been good -- I think)
for the fact that the Back Alley was no threat to NR.

You hon, I would have to bounce you off of the list to see if you are
welcome. But be warned and be good!! I am assuming you have
had that birthday you were telling me about?

Crys
Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina

Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
Virgil

ICQ# 38493770
<a href="http://www.liberiorum.com" target="_top" >http://www.liberiorum.com</a>


Subject:	Re: The Back Alley Info
From:	Exitil@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:33:11 EDT

17?? You must be thinking of someone else. I'm 22.


Subject:	Re: The Back Alley Info
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:38:22 -0500

On 25 Jun 99, --------4:33, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------; wrote:

> 17?? You must be thinking of someone else. I'm 22.

I'll put in your nomination. And learn to sign stuff
already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crys (muttering "Damn kids" <G>)
Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina

Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
Virgil

ICQ# 38493770
<a href="http://www.liberiorum.com" target="_top" >http://www.liberiorum.com</a>


Subject:	Re: The Back Alley Info
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:08:20 EDT

In a message dated 6/25/99 2:27:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
&-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a> writes:

<< Some say the Back Alley houses some sort of "Faction". This is
nonsense. I do not do politics. I just saw and reacted to the need
for a, well, maybe a Bathhouse of sorts. <G> >>

Dexie Loves Bathhouses!!!!!

--Dexippus


Subject:	Personal to Crys -- sorry!
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:13:10 -0500 (CDT)

Sorry for having to use the public e-list for personal stuff....

Crys, your Eagle was returned to me "Undeliverable, Forwarding Address Expired" but it was addressed to
exactly the same address you listed (your new one in Texas). I have no idea what the problem is. Can you
check with your postmaster or something?

THEN when I tried to respond to your e-mail, THAT was returned as undeliverable!

Whoa, I hope we don't need an Augur about this!!

-- Flavia Claudia


Subject:	Re: The Back Alley Info
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:48:43 -0700

<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:

> In a message dated 6/25/99 2:27:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a> writes:
>
> << Some say the Back Alley houses some sort of "Faction". This is
> nonsense. I do not do politics. I just saw and reacted to the need
> for a, well, maybe a Bathhouse of sorts. <G> >>
>
> Dexie Loves Bathhouses!!!!!
>
> --Dexippus

Snicker. Snicker. Chuckle.
They're on the ballot in "The City"* this November.

Ericius

Post Scriptum: Hey, Dex! When are you going to make it to SanFran for the parade. I won't
walk with you, but we could get together for dinner.
--------------------
*"The City" = San Francisco.


Subject:	Re: Nova Roma at War
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:55:00 EDT

<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>

[SNIP]
>- Nunc, Quirites, I respectfully suggest that specific details of any
>further developments on our defence capability be subjected to the strictest
>confidentiality (encryption, password protection and transmission solely on
>a "need to know" basis). Seriously. Why should we risk giving away sensitive
>information to anyone who happens to be lurking on the Main List?
>
>I should also like to suggest something the erudite Q. Fabius Maximus
>omitted from his otherwise excellent contingency plan: the internment of
>suspicious aliens at the outbreak of hostilities (purely as a precautionary
>measure, you understand, but I think we all know who that could mean).
I would heartily second this for other reasons. To make plans to mess up
someone's computer system or Web site, even if done in retaliation,
probably constitutes conspiracy to commit a criminal act, at least in the
USA. I suggest we not plan to do this and instead rely on US law to
respond to any such cyberattack on NR. If you do plan retaliation,
however, it would be wise to do so in private.

As for planning the "internment" of _anybody_, no matter what the
circumstances, that sounds like a Federal crime -- kidnapping, illegal
detention. I suggest you drop that idea as well. If Nova Roma starts
planning criminal activities, the results could be worse than any
cyberattack.

L. Sergius Aust.

certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.

(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)


Subject:	Re: The Back Alley Info
From:	Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:51:29 -0700 (PDT)

Salve, Cwys.

>Anyone who wants on can be on as long as they are 17 and agree
>not to disclose what is shared there with every Tomus, Dickus and
>Harrius around. This is because of problems in the past we have
>encountered.
>
I have a vewy good fwiend in Wome named Biggus Diccus! You have pwoblem
with that? Shut up, Dex!

Vale,
Pontius Pilate
-------------
Tom and Gail Gangale
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
<a href="http://www.jps.net/gangale/homepage.htm" target="_top" >http://www.jps.net/gangale/homepage.htm</a>
Mars Society California
The Martian Time Web Site
The Martian Ministry of Culture
Nova Roma
World GenWeb Calabria
Bunny Hill (and Catsville Too)
The National Primary System
The Art of Darius


Subject:	Re: The Back Alley Info
From:	Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:56:54 -0700 (PDT)

Salve, Dexippe.

>> Dexie Loves Bathhouses!!!!!
>>
>> --Dexippus
>
>Snicker. Snicker. Chuckle.
>They're on the ballot in "The City"* this November.
>
>Ericius
>
>Post Scriptum: Hey, Dex! When are you going to make it to SanFran for the
parade. I won't
>walk with you, but we could get together for dinner.

Hell, Dex, I'LL walk with you! You might have to dress me up, though... I
don't have anything particularly stunning to wear.

Vale,
Martianus
(straight, but not narrow)
-------------
Tom and Gail Gangale
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
<a href="http://www.jps.net/gangale/homepage.htm" target="_top" >http://www.jps.net/gangale/homepage.htm</a>
Mars Society California
The Martian Time Web Site
The Martian Ministry of Culture
Nova Roma
World GenWeb Calabria
Bunny Hill (and Catsville Too)
The National Primary System
The Art of Darius


Subject:	Re: The Back Alley Info
From:	"RCW" alexious@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:04:42 -0700

Cant wait for Dex's response to that one! DEX???? Comments?

L. Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus
----- Original Message -----
From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Cc: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 1999 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] The Back Alley Info

> From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>
> Salve, Cwys.
>
> >Anyone who wants on can be on as long as they are 17 and agree
> >not to disclose what is shared there with every Tomus, Dickus and
> >Harrius around. This is because of problems in the past we have
> >encountered.
> >
> I have a vewy good fwiend in Wome named Biggus Diccus! You have pwoblem
> with that? Shut up, Dex!
>
> Vale,
> Pontius Pilate
> -------------
> Tom and Gail Gangale
> <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
> <a href="http://www.jps.net/gangale/homepage.htm" target="_top" >http://www.jps.net/gangale/homepage.htm</a>
> Mars Society California
> The Martian Time Web Site
> The Martian Ministry of Culture
> Nova Roma
> World GenWeb Calabria
> Bunny Hill (and Catsville Too)
> The National Primary System
> The Art of Darius
>
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Subject:	Sulla and Nocta's computer situation
From:	"RCW" alexious@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:36:06 -0700

Well today I contacted Charter Communications....and hopefully next week we will have cable modem access... :) So hopefully sometime next week Nocta will be online again....Just wanted to drop everyone a note!

Talk to you later.....hopefully when I am not working.....hehehehe.....Vale!

L. Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus


Subject:	Re: Mac game set in Roman Britain
From:
Date:	Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:42:56 -0700

<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------; wrote:

> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;
>
> Eeeeew Macintrash. ::gag::

Gagging you!Sounds like a great idea.