Subject:	Re: Brazilian Membership
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:49:34 +0100

Salvete amice Horati Attice et omnes

>So, if we could minimize that second barrier, i.e. the language, we would
>have more active members in Provincia Brasiliensis. Well, how? Primo, it
is
>necessary to have in mind that every brazilian that is inscribed at NR
knows
>English ( of course in different levels, very well or macaronic). It is
fast
>impossible to find a brasilian user of Internet that cannot understand some
>Englisch. The problem is that, when the just inscribed citizen lurks on
the
>list or such they can't understand very much of what is being discussed
>there. Allthough from time to time some debate of general interest arises,
>most of the messages contains jokes, and certain subjects (to be silent
>about the north american slang) that are related to an specific comunity,
>the English speaker comunity. So if we could select points of general
>interest (obviously, a conception to be discussed), form a digest,
>translate it and send to the members in PBra, we could have an answer (even
>if a "stop this posting" one).
Well, in fact I'm not sure on how to evaluate this point... You know that to
build a digest takes time... To translate it takes even more time, and
discussions have their proper temporal context. We would risk that this hard
work would become in fact useless.

>The second thing is to create a Provincia in Brazil. There is any actually.
>And here my mea culpa: we have to build institutions, relationships and
>bridges (help Minuci!) between ourselves, so that more and more citizens
>leave the silence and come to the public life, so dear to us Romans. I
can't
>do this alone, but if assisted I could
>try. Some of my projects are (or were): create a lusophone list for Brasil
>and Portugal; build a page for Nova Roma in Brasil, with much information
>about our beliefs (that would be very atractive!). But I don't know
ANYTHING
>about page making and nor have the time to learn it. As for the lusophone
>list , I would ask my friend Antonius Gryllus to expose his valuation about
>the idea.
I think that this is the most important: presence on the Internet. Even
today I have received an email from a person congratulating me for the
Lusitania Web site, and he may become one more citizen. The Web is an
important way for getting new people.
Of course, not everyone has Web expertise, but we have a Web team which can
help precisely on those situations, receiving the content from governors (or
other citizens) and just putting that content on the Web. I think that a
Provincia Brasilia Web page would be a very important (and promising) step.

Valete

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Aedilis Plebis et Propraetor Lusitaniae

Subject:	List Nuisence (Alex Novus)
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:46:16 -0400 (EDT)

OKAY!!! I think that sufficient!!! I get quite enough inconsiderate
self-centered crying children in restaurants and other public places. I
do not under any circumstances desire nor feel the need to put up with
such on this list.

It is obvious that this individual does not know how to deal with
serious adults, nor has he / she had a modicum of proper training from
the parents in being a part of such a faceless society. Insulting
member's belongings and statements are neither desired nor to be
tolerated on this list in my estimation. I call upon the List Moderator
to take positive action to rid the list of ths annoyance again..

Marcus Minucius Audens
Quaestor

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Vacation
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:15:25 EDT

Just to let everyone know...

I'll be on vacation from June 30 - July 6 and may not be able to check my
e-mail. So any posts requiring or soliciting a response from me may not be
answered for a while.

Thanks all.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: The Back Alley Info
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:16:48 EDT

In a message dated 6/26/99 11:50:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< t's not that Dex. I just don't want to cramp your style. Why should you
spend the prime
time with some gimpy, old, fat, straight guy with tickley beard. >>

Don't worry about cramping my style! We'll dress you up and you'll look
fabulous!

--Dexippus

Subject:	Infantile Behavior on the List
From:	Thomas Gangale TGangale@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:14:34 -0700

>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;
>
>Bla bla bla bla bla...

Hard to believe you're 22. My son used to say things like this when he was
seven months old.

Martianus

Subject:	Re: Vacation
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:03:16 -0500

On 28 Jun 99, --------:15, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:

> I'll be on vacation from June 30 - July 6

That's funny -- I hear Mayor Daley is going on vacation around this
time too ....... hmmmmmmmm ...... Dex and Richard Daley? Why
not? And he has all the civies in Chicago thinkin it's because of
the problems surrounding the Taste <G>.

Enjoy France Dexie hon!!!!!!! <G>

Crys (thinks Dex could do a LOT better than Daley!!)


Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina

Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
Virgil

ICQ# 38493770
<a href="http://www.liberiorum.com" target="_top" >http://www.liberiorum.com</a>

Subject:	Re: Vacation
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:20:15 -0400

Ave

>Just to let everyone know...
>I'll be on vacation from June 30 - July 6 and <snip>Thanks all.--Dexippus


Drive carefully and arrive home safe.
Vale, L Equitius

Subject:	Announcments
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:02:14 -0400

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Subject:	welcome
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:13:13 -0500 (CDT)

I want to welcome Graecus as Trib Pleb. Graecus is one of our hardest-working Citizens, and is always
generous in sharing his considerable knowledge with other Cives. It will be a pleasure working with him!

And welcome to the Magistrates in the Senate. (About time, I say!)

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: Vacation
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:30:14 EDT

Oh Sweetie, I can do a lot better than Daley!

But hey, France would be nice.

But alas, I'm going to Grand Rapids, MI to visit a few friends. My one
friend, Rick, has terminal cancer and things aren't looking to good so this
may be the last time I see him. I'm going to be staying with him since he
needs someone to take care of him. Friends have been taking turns keeping
him company, and getting him through the day-to-day. So I've taken on this
responsibility for the next week. So it's not all "vacation" but at least
it's out of the office and in the company of a good friend.

He's in good spirits so it won't be all sobbing and crying over his
condition. He tells me he just wants to spend a lot of time on the beach of
Lake Michigan and visiting friends, etc. But he hasn't been able to pay his
electricty or phone bill so that's why I will be out of touch for the week.
I may be able to sign onto my account from another friend's house but I don't
want to promise that.

So...with all that...Dexie will be back by July 6. So y'all better behave!

--Dexippus

In a message dated 6/28/99 10:03:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
&-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a> writes:

<< That's funny -- I hear Mayor Daley is going on vacation around this
time too ....... hmmmmmmmm ...... Dex and Richard Daley? Why
not? And he has all the civies in Chicago thinkin it's because of
the problems surrounding the Taste <G>.

Enjoy France Dexie hon!!!!!!! <G>

Crys (thinks Dex could do a LOT better than Daley!!)
>>

Subject:	Oath of office of Antonius Gryllus Graecus as Tribunus Plebis
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:45:32 +0100

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Subject:	Re: Oath of office of Antonius Gryllus Graecus as Tribunus Plebis
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:48:02 +0100

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Subject:	Oath of office of Antonius Gryllus Graecus as Tribunus Plebis
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:57:13 +0100

Salvete cives

The delay on the formation of the Comitia Populi, one of the main electoral
promises, has been causing instability and brought suspicion over Nova Roma
institutions. One of the main reasons for this delay has been the
disagreement on how to distribute citizens among tribes and centuries, which
is needed for the correct summoning of the Comitia according to the
Constitution. As Censor Cassius has already explained, the main disagreement
was between Tribunus Plebis Avidius Tullius Callidus and the
Censores/Senate. As a consequence of this disagreement, Tribunus Plebis
Avidius Tullius Callidus has quited both his office and citizenship, leaving
the plebeians with no Tribunus, as Avidius Tullius' coleague has disappeared
since the very beginning of his office. In order to end this instability and
provide for the correct and constitutional work of our institutions until
the next elections, I, Antonius Gryllus Graecus, Aedilis Plebis, have
accepted to occupy the office of Tribunus Plebis by senatorial appointment.
One of the proposals for the formation of tribes and centuries was from
Praetor Urbanus Sulla and myself, and we have considered it as
constitutional and simple. As the Censores agree with that proposal, there
shall be now no reason for postponing the creation of the Comitia, as I take
compromise of not to veto this proposal of formation of tribes and centuries
which is going to be implemented by the Censores.
I also state that the acceptance of this new office won't make me forget my
other duties as Aedilis Plebis and Propraetor Provinciae Lusitaniae.

I, Antonius Gryllus Graecus do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of
Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the
Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Antonius Gryllus Graecus swear to do honor
to the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the
Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Antonius Gryllus Graecus further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Tribunus Plebis to the best of my
abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Tribunus Plebis and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.

The Gods of Rome be with you.

Roma aeterna est! Ave res publica! Ave Roma!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Tribunus Plebis




-----Original Message-----
From: Lucius <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Monday, June 28, 1999 4:01 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Announcments


Salvete, Quirites

I take pleasure in announcing the following items passed by Senatus
Consulta.

Join me in congratulating Aedilis Plebis Antonius Gryllus Graecus for his
appointment to
Tribunus Plebis, Congratulations! Antonius Gryllus has been a hard working
magistrate and citizen and I'm sure he will work hard to see that Nova Roma
grows and prospers.

The Senate voted to allow all magistrates holding elected positions to have
a seat in the Senate. They will Not have a vote and they may Not speak
(post) without either being sponsored by a Senator or recognized by a
Consul.
Welcome to the Magistrates!

Valete, Consul Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus

Subject:	Re: Announcments
From:	Thomas Gangale TGangale@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:40:23 -0700

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Subject:	Re: Oath of office ...
From:	legion6@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:46:35 -0500 (CDT)

> Please forgive me... I wanted to save this and sent it incomplete....
> I'll soon send my complete statement =)

And when you do...can we get you to leave off the HTML coding on the
tail end? (That goes for our esteemed Consul too.)

Thank you from those of us who own computer-Bears of Very Little
Brain...! (That's from Winnie-the-Pooh, btw.)

-- L Marius Fimbria

Subject:	Re: Brazilian Membership
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:01:29 -0400 (EDT)

In regards to the topic of Brazilian Membership, I have accomplished
part of my original goal already in re-starting a dialogue with members
of that group.

I would like to respond to the points of both Titus Horatius Atticus and
.Antonius Gryillus Graecus in their postings in response to the subject
topic".

I agree with your assessmens of the informed non-english speaker in NR.
It is further logical to accept your evaluation that the several
Brazilian Members are knowledgeable in English (to differeing degrees)
and are available on net with at least on operating knowledge of the
Internet workings.

Using these above as givens I agree that the primary problem is the
interest in what is being transmitted over the list. This is why a few
of the Nova Romans have been providing information messages on their
interests. However more could be done.

I am not sure that a full blown digest is necessary, but rather a series
of topics / ideas of particular interest to Brazilians, who are not
involved with the chit-chat emanating from the U.S. We could start with
the presently established areas of interest within Nova Roma or with
ideas for how to effectively bring forward propositions to the Senate.
There is the possibility of establishing a Brazilian Onelist that would
chit-chat about things in the Southern American Continent, which could
be brought onto the NR List by the List Modrator.

I strongly agree that for the foreseeable future that presence on the
Internet is the most important aspect of a continuing dialogue with NR
members around the world. Another idea which may have merit is to
convert the NR Web Page to Portuguese for the benefit of those who speak
that language.

The Provincia in Brazil is really in place, but at the present time does
not have a Praetor appointed. A request to the Consuls for
consideration as the Praetor to the Province of Brazilia would be a
start. However, any registered NR Citizen of any province has the right
and ability to make internal arrangements for mutually agreeable facets
of NR, List of topics about which to talk and / or research,
establishing, institutions relationships and bridges. I cannot imagine
how I could be of assistance to you in these efforts, but I am willig
to do what I can, because of my admiration for your countries from my
father's, my wife's and last my own views of your language common
countries (Brazil, Portugal, Azores and Madeira).

May I suggest the following, as a set of first activities, that each
member of the Brazilian NR Province send a message (short or long) to
both yourself and to me letting us know how they would like to establish
the above and what their ideas are about participating on the NR net.

I have been promised shortly, by the Honorable Censor Cassius that he
will be able to provide E-Mail information to the Praetors of any
province who asks, so that information should be forthcoming in a short
time (hopefully). It is within the Provincial Praetor's authority to
make appointments of Legates to over see the areas or regions of the
province that roughly follow state boundaries.

So, being in agreement with both you and Propraetor Graecus I thik that
our first efforts should concerntrate on bringing the NR members in
Brazil back on line so that we may get some feed-back in regards to
their needs, desires and ideas

Note to Antonius Gryllus Graecus:

My Most Sincere Congratulations are forwarded to you on your recent
appointment to the ffice of Tribune of the People. Your hard work for
Nova Roma in the past, and your obvious interest in the promotion of a
strong Nova Roma o the future certainly fits you for the task ahead. I
look forward to working closely withyou.

Marcus Audens

Note to other overseas provinces:

My purpose in selecting the Brazilians in writing my introductory letter
of encouragement was primarily based on getting to know them better and
because I know that they have a great potential for strength in NR.
However, I think that the items discussed between myself A. Gaecus, and
T. Atticus could aply to any Provice within or without the boundaies of
the U.S. I would welcome such an outpouring from any one of our
provinces who are feeling a bit left out because of different cultural,
regional or nationalistic needs.

Marcus Audens

Note to all Praetors, Pro-Praetors, Consuls and Proconsuls of Provinces:

I invite your comments and ideas on this post in regards to your ideas
for helping to implement the internal provisional strucure of Brazilia

Marcus Audens

Note to all NR members in the province of Brazilia:

I am greatly interested in your ideas, thoughts, needs, and desires in
relation to the topic of this posting. I ask you most kindly to please
contact me and I further ask most respectfully that you not take refuge
in not being fluent in English before responding. I am told that all of
you have at least two languages, while I have but one, and I do not do
well in that one (<Grin>)

Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Oath of office of Antonius Gryllus Graecus
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:13:40 EDT

In a message dated 6/28/99 8:36:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> writes:

<< The Senate voted to allow all magistrates holding elected positions to
have a seat in the Senate. They will Not have a vote and they may Not speak
(post) without either being sponsored by a Senator or recognized by a Consul.
Welcome to the Magistrates! >>
Salvete Honored Fathers!
At last a ray of hope and sanity begins to break through the dark clouds of
NR inaction.
How long will this backbencher status last for appointees? And what about
the comittees?
Valete!
Q. Fabius Maximus.

Subject:	Re: Announcments
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:29:28 -0400

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Subject:	Re: Infantile Behavior on the List
From:	"Rusticus" moman@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:54:09 -0400

----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=101224113185229031138038203206129208071" >TGangale@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 9:14 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Infantile Behavior on the List


> >From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;
> >
> >Bla bla bla bla bla...
>
> Hard to believe you're 22. My son used to say things like this when he
was
> seven months old.
>
> Martianus

Goo Goo Goo Goo... Gah...

Rusticus

Subject:	Re: Infantile Behavior on the List
From:	Thomas Gangale TGangale@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:00:16 -0700

From: "Rus--------s" &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=029233014237078135050082190036" &g--------man@--------&l--------&g--------r>
>Goo Goo Goo Goo... Gah...

Gratias tibi. Hopefully Alexander will understand your translation.

Martianus

Subject:	Backbenchers was Oath of office of Antonius Gryllus Graecus
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:02:25 -0400

Salvete Fabi et alii




>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>
><< The Senate voted to allow all magistrates holding elected positions to
>have a seat in the Senate. They will Not have a vote and they may Not speak
>(post) without either being sponsored by a Senator or recognized by a
Consul.


>At last a ray of hope and sanity begins to break through the dark clouds of
>NR inaction.
>How long will this backbencher status last for appointees

My interpretation of the announcement was that appointed magistrates don't
get any seat at all, in the back or otherwise. And the elected magistrates
admitted under this ruling cannot vote.

But hey, it's a vast improvement, isn't it? It means that the bulk of the
magistrates will know what is going on in the Senate, and can work in a more
concerted fashion actually to move us somewhere. And, not the smallest
consideration, our government will now be much more like Cassical Rome's, I
think.

I'm grateful for this development.

>Valete!
>Q. Fabius Maximus.
>
Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Re: Infantile Behavior on the List
From:	Exitil@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:35:53 EDT

<< Hard to believe you're 22. My son used to say things like this when he was
seven months old. >>

Sheesh what is this, kick Exitil's ass day? Again please give specific
examples.

Subject:	Re: List Nuisence (Alex Novus)
From:	Exitil@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:35:01 EDT

Uh can you please give me some specific examples please.

<<OKAY!!! I think that sufficient!!! I get quite enough inconsiderate
self-centered crying children in restaurants and other public places. I
do not under any circumstances desire nor feel the need to put up with
such on this list.

It is obvious that this individual does not know how to deal with
serious adults, nor has he / she had a modicum of proper training from
the parents in being a part of such a faceless society. Insulting
member's belongings and statements are neither desired nor to be
tolerated on this list in my estimation. I call upon the List Moderator
to take positive action to rid the list of ths annoyance again..>>

Subject:	Re: Infantile Behavior on the List
From:	Exitil@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:38:04 EDT

<< Goo Goo Goo Goo... Gah... >>

Oh. Thanks for explaining. Now I get it.

Subject:	Re: Backbenchers
From:	Thomas Gangale TGangale@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:36:23 -0700

>From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
>My interpretation of the announcement was that appointed magistrates don't
>get any seat at all, in the back or otherwise. And the elected magistrates
>admitted under this ruling cannot vote.
>
>But hey, it's a vast improvement, isn't it? It means that the bulk of the
>magistrates will know what is going on in the Senate, and can work in a
more
>concerted fashion actually to move us somewhere. And, not the smallest
>consideration, our government will now be much more like Cassical Rome's, I
>think.
>
And no more need for black bag jobs, eh Aquaporta? The thrill is gone.

Martianus

Subject:	New to the list - Laundry in Public
From:	"Kevin Martin" kxmart7@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:43:19 -0600

Ave,

Just joined your list after seeing your organization's website. I was
hoping to get some good leads on Roman source material. I have a few
fellows thinking to form a legion living history group. I also was
hoping for some discussions on Roman thought and philosophy.

Subject:	Omnilingua
From:	Thomas Gangale TGangale@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:40:32 -0700

> Salvete, omnes.
>
> This is an ambitious idea, but I would like to have the Nova Roma web site
> translated into as many languages as possible in order to give the site,
> and by extension Nova Roma as a whole, universal appeal.
>
> Obviously, the main page is the top priority, since that's what people see
> first.
>
> In the past, there were efforts to translate the Constitution into German,
> Latin, and Italian. I make a general appeal to get these projects
> completed. Our Declaration should also be translated. As the core
> documents of our Republic, these both deserve high priority.
>
> On the next level of priority are the main pages of the more important
> sections of the site: Collis Capitolinus, Pantheon, Via Romana.
>
> The fourth level of priority consists of the main pages of the remaining
> sections: Camenaeum, Campus Martius, Forum Romanum, Macellum, Pinotheca.
> Fortunately, most of these are easy to do, since they contain short
> passages of text along with long lists of links.
>
> These figures were posted last week:
>
> > Australia-9; Brazilia-24; Britannia-28; Canada-6; Italia-14;
> Lusitania-3;
> > Mexico-1
> > Slovakia-2; Spain-1; Thule-6; Yugoslavia-1
>
> So how about it, Quirites? What stops us from having a web site in
> Portuguese, Italian, Swedish... hell, even Australian? Any volunteers?
>
> Vale,
> Marcus Martianus Gangalius
> Aedilis Curule et Vebsitarius Maximus
>

Subject:	Re: Backbenchers
From:	legion6@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:13:20 -0500 (CDT)

On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=101224113185229031138038203206129208071" >TGangale@--------</a> wrote:
> And no more need for black bag jobs, eh Aquaporta? The thrill is
> gone.
>
> Martianus

That was *completely* unnecessary, Gangale...and if the Senate had had
its collective head screwed on straight, your dead-horse 'scandal'
would not have happened in the first place. The indignity of an
elected Magistrate of Nova Roma having to take such measures in order
to obtain the information that should have been his by right of his
office...and the repeated and merciless public baiting that Magistrate
has been subjected to ever since; these were and are Wrong Things that
are now, hopefully, being corrected.

I wish to hear no more such 'barbs' hurled in that particular
direction.

Let us now pause to consider the Roman virtues of Gravitas and
Clementia...
---
__________ _<~) __________
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<-\\\@@@@(#####@@@@///-> Historical Re-Creationist
<-\\\*##*///-> and Citizen of Rome
o---<<<<||SPQR||>>>>---o Latin lessons, History lectures
///\\\ Role-playing Games, too!

aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends

Subject:	Re: New to the list - Laundry in Public
From:	Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:17:00 -0700 (PDT)

Salve, Ponte Flavi.

Please be patient... it can get a lot worse than this!

Meanwhile, welcome to Nova Roma. Don't eat the figs.

Vale,
Martianus


At 02:43 PM 6/28/99 -0600, Kevin Martin wrote:
>From: "Kevin Martin" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200082014237127134249218228036129208" >kxmart7@--------</a>
>
>Ave,
>
>Just joined your list after seeing your organization's website. I was
>hoping to get some good leads on Roman source material. I have a few
>fellows thinking to form a legion living history group. I also was
>hoping for some discussions on Roman thought and philosophy.
>
>>From the messages I have this afternoon, I seem to have happened upon a
>Forum squabble.
>
>As a newcomer, I'm going to overstep my auctoritas, and recommed that
>the people squabbling recall their own dignitas.
>
>That said. Ave! I think Nova Roma has some very cool things going and I
>hope to hear and be a part of interesting discussion on this list.
>
>Vale,
>
>Pontius Flavius Silva
>
>
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Subject:	Re: Backbenchers
From:	Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:19:46 -0700 (PDT)

Salve, Lucia Maria.

I cordially invite your attention to <a href="http://www.senseofhumor.org" target="_top" >http://www.senseofhumor.org</a>. They may
be able to help you. Then you can joke about this as Sulla and I have on
several occasions.

Vale,
Martianus


At 04:13 PM 6/28/99 -0500, <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> wrote:
>From: <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
>
>On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=101224113185229031138038203206129208071" >TGangale@--------</a> wrote:
>> And no more need for black bag jobs, eh Aquaporta? The thrill is
>> gone.
>>
>> Martianus
>
>That was *completely* unnecessary, Gangale...and if the Senate had had
>its collective head screwed on straight, your dead-horse 'scandal'
>would not have happened in the first place. The indignity of an
>elected Magistrate of Nova Roma having to take such measures in order
>to obtain the information that should have been his by right of his
>office...and the repeated and merciless public baiting that Magistrate
>has been subjected to ever since; these were and are Wrong Things that
>are now, hopefully, being corrected.
>
>I wish to hear no more such 'barbs' hurled in that particular
>direction.
>
>Let us now pause to consider the Roman virtues of Gravitas and
>Clementia...
>---
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Subject:	Re: Backbenchers
From:	legion6@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:42:36 -0500 (CDT)

(And there you have it, Quirites...proof that even Marius goes off
half-cocked from time to time. Tug on choke-chain graciously
accepted...I'm back at heel now!) >({|;-)

> I cordially invite your attention to <a href="http://www.senseofhumor.org" target="_top" >http://www.senseofhumor.org</a>.
> ...Then you can joke about this as Sulla and I have on several
> occasions.
>
>Vale,
>Martianus

>>> And no more need for black bag jobs, eh Aquaporta? The thrill is
>>> gone.
>>>
>>> Martianus
>>
>>That was *completely* unnecessary, Gangale...

--- (Marius Fimbria bein' a Silly)

Subject:	Pax
From:	Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:59:35 -0700 (PDT)

Pax, Lucia! On to Kosovo, Northern Ireland, Kashmir, the Middle East,
Kurdistan, East Timor....

Martianus


At 05:42 PM 6/28/99 -0500, <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> wrote:
>From: <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
>
>(And there you have it, Quirites...proof that even Marius goes off
>half-cocked from time to time. Tug on choke-chain graciously
>accepted...I'm back at heel now!) >({|;-)
>
>> I cordially invite your attention to <a href="http://www.senseofhumor.org" target="_top" >http://www.senseofhumor.org</a>.
>> ...Then you can joke about this as Sulla and I have on several
>> occasions.
>>
>>Vale,
>>Martianus
>
>>>> And no more need for black bag jobs, eh Aquaporta? The thrill is
>>>> gone.
>>>>
>>>> Martianus
>>>
>>>That was *completely* unnecessary, Gangale...
>
>--- (Marius Fimbria bein' a Silly)
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Subject:	Re: Announcments
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:21:18 -0700

Salve, Equitius!

Does this include Provincial Governors?

C. Aelius Ericius
Propraetor of California Provincia

Lucius wrote:

> Salvete, Quirites The Senate voted to allow all magistrates holding elected positions
> to have a seat in the Senate. They will Not have a vote and they may Not speak (post)
> without either being sponsored by a Senator or recognized by a Consul.Welcome to the
> [Curia Hostilia] Magistrates! Valete, Consul Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus

Subject:	Re: Announcments
From:	Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:32:32 -0700 (PDT)

Salve, Erici.

The Senatus Consulta does not apply to provincial governors. It applies to
"all magistrates holding elected positions". Provincial governorships are
appointed positions.

Maybe next time....

Vale,
Martianus


At 04:21 PM 6/28/99 -0700, Razenna wrote:
>Salve, Equitius!
>
>Does this include Provincial Governors?
>
>C. Aelius Ericius
>Propraetor of California Provincia
>
>Lucius wrote:
>
>> Salvete, Quirites The Senate voted to allow all magistrates holding
elected positions
>> to have a seat in the Senate. They will Not have a vote and they may Not
speak (post)
>> without either being sponsored by a Senator or recognized by a
Consul.Welcome to the
>> [Curia Hostilia] Magistrates! Valete, Consul Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
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>
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>
><P>C. Aelius Ericius
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>
><P>Lucius wrote:
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Subject:	Active membership
From:	Daniel Dreesbach dreesbach@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:04:01 -0700 (PDT)

How does one become active?

Daniel Dreesbach

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Subject:	Re: don't eat the figs
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:35:30 -0500 (CDT)

On 06/28/99 15:17:00 you wrote:
>
>From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>
>Salve, Ponte Flavi.
>
>Please be patient... it can get a lot worse than this!
>
>Meanwhile, welcome to Nova Roma. Don't eat the figs.
>
No,no, no, Marcus....
you only avoid the figs when you have dinner with the Claudii.
Shoot, nobody ever drops in for home-cooking any more....

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: Backbenchers
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:41:45 -0500 (CDT)

On 06/28/99 13:36:23 you wrote:
>
>
>>
>And no more need for black bag jobs, eh Aquaporta? The thrill is gone.
>
>Martianus

Yeah, when I heard that the U.S. Senate had been hacked, I thought, "Huh! They ain't so hot -- WE got
hacked first!!"

Good thing that our Praetor Urbanis has a sense of humor.

-- FC

Subject:	Re: Active membership
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:29:30 -0400 (EDT)

Go to the Web Page, and select your Roman Name. Once that is done, fill
out the application that you find there and send it to one of the
Censores. You should also message the Consul (Cinncinnatus) just so he
knows what is going on. It will take a while to register you and place
you in a Gens or place your gens on the list, which ever way you wish.
Once you are registered then you are an active member. There are no
dues or taxes, but the is a subscription to a very nice newsletter
called the Eagle that you may wish o consider. If you need further
information or help, you may call upon me, or anyone else on the list to
assist you. We hope you will join us!!!

Marcus Minucius Audens
Quaestor

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Active membership
From:	"Rusticus" moman@--------
Date:	Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:47:29 -0400

----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel Dreesbach <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114212192056099202169102046248100208071048" >dreesbach@--------</a>
To: Nova Roma <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 9:04 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Active membership


> From: Daniel Dreesbach <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114212192056099202169102046248100208071048" >dreesbach@--------</a>
>
> How does one become active?
>
> Daniel Dreesbach

Hmm... By eating a lot of PEZ, perhaps?

Rusticus