| Subject: |
Re: [RomanBackAlley] About this new Republic |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 1 Jul 1999 19:44:35 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Ciao, paisano! I'll cut you in for a percentage!
A presto!
Marco Martiano Gangale
At 07:07 PM 7/1/99 -0700, Razenna wrote:
>From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
>
>
>
>Gail and Thomas Gangale wrote:
>
>> May the Gods preserve the Senate and People of Rome... whichever Rome.
>
>May the Gods help the People get a piece of the action.
>
>Ericius.
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| Subject: |
Re: [RomanBackAlley] About this new Republic |
| From: |
"RCW" alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 1 Jul 1999 19:46:15 -0700 |
|
Gangalius! is there a way this doesnt need to be sent to 3 differnet mailing
lists? ;)
L. Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus
----- Original Message -----
From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:RomanBackAlley@--------" >RomanBackAlley@--------</a>; <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>;
<a href="mailto:roma_tertia@--------" >roma_tertia@--------</a>
Cc: <a href="mailto:RomanBackAlley@--------" >RomanBackAlley@--------</a>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] [RomanBackAlley] About this new Republic
> From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>
> Ciao, paisano! I'll cut you in for a percentage!
>
> A presto!
>
> Marco Martiano Gangale
>
>
> At 07:07 PM 7/1/99 -0700, Razenna wrote:
> >From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
> >
> >
> >
> >Gail and Thomas Gangale wrote:
> >
> >> May the Gods preserve the Senate and People of Rome... whichever Rome.
> >
> >May the Gods help the People get a piece of the action.
> >
> >Ericius.
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| Subject: |
The Resignation of Patricia Cassia |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:02:26 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete, omnes.
I am saddened by Patricia's announcement as well. This is one of several
regretable casualties in this civil war, but this is the loss that I will
feel the most. Patricia has been a real trooper. She stepped in to manage
the web site when Germanicus bailed out last September, and she carried the
full load until I volunteered to help her in January. While we worked
together to build up the web team beyond just two individuals, she remained
one of the most productive and dependable members of the team. I hope she
will reconsider.
I hope all of us will pull together to put this unfortunate experience past
us. Let us forgive the wrongs we have suffered, and return to the status
quo ante bellum. As Abraham Lincoln said, let us bind up the nation's
wounds, with malice toward none, with charity for all.
May the Gods preserve the Senate and People of Nova Roma.
Valete,
Marcus Martianus Gangalius
Aedilis Curule et Vebsitarius Maximus
Respublica Novae Romae
At 10:55 PM 7/1/99 -0400, Diana/Orbianna wrote:
>From: Diana/Orbianna <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=197212253112056209171056066140114100071048139" >--------er--------@--------</a>
>
>I was just reviewing my Nova Roma mailbox, and this was the last piece of
>mail I received from the list. I believe it was an inevitable precursor.
>How sad...
>
>>From: -------- <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a>
>>
>>When I changed the settings on the list back to their active status, I
>>neglected to note that it would take up to four hours for the change to
>>take effect (according to Onelist). My apologies; the list should be
>>active again by morning.
>>
>>In the meantime, please read the following, which may be forwarded
>>anywhere where it might be of interest:
>>
>>I, Patricia Cassia, Quaestor of Nova Roma, do hereby resign as moderator
>>of the Nova Roma e-mail lists and as co-manager of the Nova Roma Web
>>site. I will continue to be a Citizen, and will continue to serve as
>>Treasurer for the time being. I will not be active on the lists, which
>>will be managed by Marcus Cassius Julianus or his designee.
>>
>>I am making this move because I am disgusted and saddened by the behavior
>>of some members of this organization toward the man I love, a man who has
>>put countless hours into soothing tempers, carrying out projects and
>>planning for the future of Nova Roma.
>>
>>I am disgusted and saddened by the inability of many of the Citizenry to
>>focus on the interest we all share in Rome's history and culture, working
>>instead to create divisions without regard to their own or anyone else's
>>dignitas.
>>
>>And I do not have time to devote to an organization which chews up and
>>spits out anyone who makes the mistake of caring about it. I get all I
>>want of that sort of treatment at work.
>>
>>I do value a few friendships formed through this organization, and those
>>friends are welcome to continue our relationships privately.
>>
>>May Concordia bless you all.
>>
>>Patricia Cassia
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| Subject: |
Re: About this new Republic |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:09:09 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salve, Sulla.
What, you don't like to be kept informed? What kind of barrister are you?
But seriously, now that <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> has been reinstated, I will
delete <a href="mailto:roma_tertia@--------" >roma_tertia@--------</a>.
Vale,
Martianus
At 07:46 PM 7/1/99 -0700, RCW wrote:
>From: "RCW" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
>Gangalius! is there a way this doesnt need to be sent to 3 differnet mailing
>lists? ;)
>
>L. Cornelius Sulla
>Praetor Urbanus
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:RomanBackAlley@--------" >RomanBackAlley@--------</a>; <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>;
><a href="mailto:roma_tertia@--------" >roma_tertia@--------</a>
>Cc: <a href="mailto:RomanBackAlley@--------" >RomanBackAlley@--------</a>
>Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 7:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] [RomanBackAlley] About this new Republic
>
>
>> From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>>
>> Ciao, paisano! I'll cut you in for a percentage!
>>
>> A presto!
>>
>> Marco Martiano Gangale
>>
>>
>> At 07:07 PM 7/1/99 -0700, Razenna wrote:
>> >From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Gail and Thomas Gangale wrote:
>> >
>> >> May the Gods preserve the Senate and People of Rome... whichever Rome.
>> >
>> >May the Gods help the People get a piece of the action.
>> >
>> >Ericius.
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| Subject: |
Re: About this new Republic |
| From: |
Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:23:47 -0700 (PDT) |
|
--- Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a> wrote:
> What, you don't like to be kept informed? What kind of barrister are you?
> But seriously, now that <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> has been reinstated, I will
> delete <a href="mailto:roma_tertia@--------" >roma_tertia@--------</a>.
And you can color me woefully confused.
When did roma_tertia come into play? When did everyone know about it? Why was
it called into play? What happened to Nova Roma?
I'm really confused. Can someone fill me in?
Vale et khaire,
Kyrinia
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| Subject: |
The Restoration of Nova Roma |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:26:51 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete, omnes.
Now that <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> has been restored, I believe that
<a href="mailto:roma_tertia@--------" >roma_tertia@--------</a> no longer serves a useful purpose. I wish to join
with all Novaromani in restoring the status quo ante bellum, and in the
present circumstances, I believe the continued existence of
<a href="mailto:roma_tertia@--------" >roma_tertia@--------</a> could only be viewed as a subversive element. This
is not, nor has it ever been, what I am about. Accordingly, I hereby delete
<a href="mailto:roma_tertia@--------" >roma_tertia@--------</a>. I thank you who have subscribed to this list for
supporting the liberty of the People of Nova Roma.
May the Gods preserve the Senate and People of Nova Roma.
Valete,
Marcus Martianus Gangalius
Aedilis Curule et Vebsitarius Maximus
Respublica Novae Romae
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| Subject: |
Re: About this new Republic |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:31:56 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salve, Kyrinia.
All you missed were a lot of tears. If you weren't there, better not to
live it through tape-delay. Nova Roma is back, and that's what counts.
Please, Quirites, let's move on.
Marcus Martianus Gangalius
Aedilis Curule et Vebsitarius Maximus
At 08:23 PM 7/1/99 -0700, Kyrene Ariadne wrote:
>From: K--------e Ariadne <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200028091056078198169061186140081090177098100046209130" >k--------eariadne@--------</a>
>
>--- Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a> wrote:
>> What, you don't like to be kept informed? What kind of barrister are you?
>> But seriously, now that <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> has been reinstated, I will
>> delete <a href="mailto:roma_tertia@--------" >roma_tertia@--------</a>.
>
>And you can color me woefully confused.
>
>When did roma_tertia come into play? When did everyone know about it? Why was
>it called into play? What happened to Nova Roma?
>
>
>I'm really confused. Can someone fill me in?
>
>
>Vale et khaire,
>
>
>Kyrinia
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
The Restoration of Nova Roma, Continued |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:42:46 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete, omnes.
In the spirit of, and indeed, as concrete steps in, the restoration of the
status quo ante bellum, I have deleted the "Alternative News" site.
Valete,
Marcus Martianus Gangalius
Aedilis Curule et Vebsitarius Maximus
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| Subject: |
Before I move on......... |
| From: |
"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:41:03 -0500 |
|
On 1 Jul 99, at 20:31, Gail and Thomas Gangale wrote:
> Salve, Kyrinia.
>
> All you missed were a lot of tears. If you weren't there, better not to
> live it through tape-delay. Nova Roma is back, and that's what counts.
>
> Please, Quirites, let's move on.
Gee, how many civies were as confused as this one when the list
disappeared without so much as a F-U?
Time for a little venting ........
Yea, I'm still upset over the whole thing. Nova Roma was killed,
then it's back, and so few knew anything about it. May the gods
forbid, but if it ever happens again, I for one hope it will be done
with a great deal more respect than was shown the 'lurker'.
My faith was shaken when Germanicus left and it is once again
shaken. Not in the gods, but in the system. I thought the higher-
ups in Nova Roma cared about me. They showed some respect as
individuals, but not much governmentally (I got plenty of private
emails upon Lapis arrival ... but not a single word typed or spoken
on behalf of the government of Nova Roma. It was pretty
depressing, and it really hurt my feelings let me tell you). I told
myself that the gifts, words and caring given by individuals within
the NR government spoke for all the government. I can be pretty
good at self delusion.
So now what? Please tell me we aren't going back to the way it
was before. I know I was told a little in the chatroom last night, but
that was still speculation.
What about the people who got their citizenship revoked over this
crap? Is all 'normal' again? What about the people who were hurt.
Hopefully no one, mind full of this coup business, got into, say, a
car accident. Shock can be a terrible thing.
I will continue my Sodalis Pro Pax, although so far only 2 people
have shown any interest in it. One of them is 'governmental' but
not in any way involved in the latest go rounds. If nothing else it
will make ME feel good.
I saw my Back Alley turned into almost a liferaft and, quite frankly,
didn't appreciate it one little bit although I was glad there was
SOME vehicle for communication once the 'OFFICIAL list' was
yanked with NO warning to anyone! Maybe if someone had said
something.................
I have a list of people I considered friendly enough to invite to a
wedding reception Don and I were planning for this November
(hopefully). Now I don't even know who I'm friends with and who I'm
NOT friends with. I suppose I'll just see who even acknowledges
the invitation email. If you receive one and don't plan to come to it,
have enough respect to at least tell me F-U so I know one way or
another. Do that much for me, huh?
I will stick with this Nova Roma as I did the last. I will dedicate
myself to the Children and the Pax. As I have ALWAYS done.
Hopefully I will still recognize the place after this 'Civil War'.
Amethystia Iunia Crystallina (NOW I can move on!)
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| Subject: |
Re: Before I move on......... |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:17:34 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salve, Crys.
For the record, Kyrinia e-mailed me privately and I responded to her
privately. Because she inststed, I gave her my version of events, stated
quite clearly that it was *my* version, and also urged her to seek other
versions of events in order to arrive at something close to the truth.
I also take this opportunity to thank you once again, this time in the venue
of the Nova Roma list, for providing the life raft for liberty. You have
done Nova Roma a great service, and you deserve the praise and gratitude of
the Senate and People.
Vale,
Marcus Martianus Gangalius
Aedilis Curule et Vebsitarius Maximus
At 11:41 PM 7/1/99 -0500, Don and Crys Meaker wrote:
>From: "Don and Crys Meaker" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a>
>
>On 1 Jul 99, at 20:31, Gail and Thomas Gangale wrote:
>
>> Salve, Kyrinia.
>>
>> All you missed were a lot of tears. If you weren't there, better not to
>> live it through tape-delay. Nova Roma is back, and that's what counts.
>>
>> Please, Quirites, let's move on.
>
>Gee, how many civies were as confused as this one when the list
>disappeared without so much as a F-U?
>
>Time for a little venting ........
>
>Yea, I'm still upset over the whole thing. Nova Roma was killed,
>then it's back, and so few knew anything about it. May the gods
>forbid, but if it ever happens again, I for one hope it will be done
>with a great deal more respect than was shown the 'lurker'.
>
>My faith was shaken when Germanicus left and it is once again
>shaken. Not in the gods, but in the system. I thought the higher-
>ups in Nova Roma cared about me. They showed some respect as
>individuals, but not much governmentally (I got plenty of private
>emails upon Lapis arrival ... but not a single word typed or spoken
>on behalf of the government of Nova Roma. It was pretty
>depressing, and it really hurt my feelings let me tell you). I told
>myself that the gifts, words and caring given by individuals within
>the NR government spoke for all the government. I can be pretty
>good at self delusion.
>
>So now what? Please tell me we aren't going back to the way it
>was before. I know I was told a little in the chatroom last night, but
>that was still speculation.
>
>What about the people who got their citizenship revoked over this
>crap? Is all 'normal' again? What about the people who were hurt.
>Hopefully no one, mind full of this coup business, got into, say, a
>car accident. Shock can be a terrible thing.
>
>I will continue my Sodalis Pro Pax, although so far only 2 people
>have shown any interest in it. One of them is 'governmental' but
>not in any way involved in the latest go rounds. If nothing else it
>will make ME feel good.
>
>I saw my Back Alley turned into almost a liferaft and, quite frankly,
>didn't appreciate it one little bit although I was glad there was
>SOME vehicle for communication once the 'OFFICIAL list' was
>yanked with NO warning to anyone! Maybe if someone had said
>something.................
>
>I have a list of people I considered friendly enough to invite to a
>wedding reception Don and I were planning for this November
>(hopefully). Now I don't even know who I'm friends with and who I'm
>NOT friends with. I suppose I'll just see who even acknowledges
>the invitation email. If you receive one and don't plan to come to it,
>have enough respect to at least tell me F-U so I know one way or
>another. Do that much for me, huh?
>
>I will stick with this Nova Roma as I did the last. I will dedicate
>myself to the Children and the Pax. As I have ALWAYS done.
>
>Hopefully I will still recognize the place after this 'Civil War'.
>
>Amethystia Iunia Crystallina (NOW I can move on!)
>Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina
>
>Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach
the ways of peace.
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| Subject: |
NR |
| From: |
william wheeler wuffa@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:31:53 +0100 |
|
Salve
Re war?
as I have been getting the list everday I did not see a war.
we were talking about how to make Nova Roma a better rome etc..
it looked like we were getting somewhere.
then all thiss WTFO
?
Vale
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| Subject: |
[Fwd: [britannia] Digest Number 39] |
| From: |
william wheeler wuffa@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:42:19 +0100 |
|
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> 1. Re: Nova Roma Crisis
> From: <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=219128113182248132130232066026192239248105163214013123152150172" >claudius--------llus@--------</a>
> 2. Re: [RomanBackAlley] About this new Republic
> From: Mike Ma--------r <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a>
> 3. Re: a Quorum of the Senate has declared an Interregnum
> From: "Keith Seddon" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=051242203132237135180082190036" >K.H.S@--------</a>
> 4. Re: Nova Roma Crisis
> From: "Keith Seddon" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=051242203132237135180082190036" >K.H.S@--------</a>
> 5. Re: Nova Roma Crisis
> From: Mike Ma--------r <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a>
> 6. Re: a Quorum of the Senate has declared an Interregnum
> From: hadji <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=180166080058082135090082190036" >hadji@--------</a>
>
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> _______________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
> Date: 1 Jul 1999 13:33:04 -0000
> From: <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=219128113182248132130232066026192239248105163214013123152150172" >claudius--------llus@--------</a>
> Subject: Re: Nova Roma Crisis
>
> Salvete omnes
>
> This sort of petulant nonsense is precisely the sort of thing it was so important to have a properly constituted and functioning government for in the first place. Yes, Nova Roma _should_ be bigger than any handful of members, but as long as a concentrated clique of originating members held all the key positions there was always a danger of the I'm-taking-my-ball-and-going-home syndrome occurring.
>
> Now that we have been excreted upon from a great height, the important question is what the sane, sensible majority of NR's 300 members can do about it. As a primary plan I would suggest all current holders of imperium should try to contact each other as soon as possible (using the e-mail info on the NR website, before somebody pulls the plug completely) to organise a united and co-ordinated call for the return NR government. Mass e-mails from the general populace may be counter-productive at this stage.
>
> As a worst-case plan, perhaps someone more versed in copyright law than I could comment on the viability of carrying on Nova Roma as a UK-based entity. Name and flag may be registered in the US -- what about here?
>
> Nova Roma's political experiment is not a failure (as argued on the website), it is merely incomplete. If those in authority do not have the staying power to finish the job they started, then they should stand aside and let it be continued by those whom their original dream and vision have attracted to the organisation.
>
> May the gods of Rome see the ship of state to a safe harbour!
>
> Nigellus
>
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> _______________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:51:48 -0400
> From: Mike Ma--------r <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a>
> Subject: Re: [RomanBackAlley] About this new Republic
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> For the information of Britannia citizens, I forward Martianus' message of earlier today.
> It refers to some wild talk which has been flying round the Back Alley elist about setting up
> a "Roma Tertia" or "Respublica Romana" to replace the shut-down Nova Roma constitution - in my
> view as well as Martianus' this is premature, as the crisis has only been going on for about 48 hours and
> no serious attempt had been made to negotiate a withdrawal of Cassius' drastic actions. Martianus'
> message, implying that negotiations are in progress, is, I think, the best news since this
> business started.
>
> Valete,
>
> M. Mucius Scaevola Magister
>
> -------------Forwarded Message-----------------
>
> From: INTERNET:<a href="mailto:RomanBackAlley@--------" >RomanBackAlley@--------</a>, INTERNET:<a href="mailto:RomanBackAlley@--------" >RomanBackAlley@--------</a>
> To: [unknown], INTERNET:<a href="mailto:RomanBackAlley@--------" >RomanBackAlley@--------</a>
>
> Date: 7/1/99 3:11 PM
>
> RE: Re: [RomanBackAlley] About this new Republic
>
>
> From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>
> Salvete, Quirites.
>
> I have been in communication with Cincinnatus this morning. He tells me
> that Palladius is trying to get Cassius to reverse his decision. Thus
> launching a third republic seems to be a bit premature. However, it is good
> to know that there is support for the idea.
>
> As for forming "splinter groups", I have zero intention of doing that. I am
> Aedilis Curule, and I follow the duly elected Consules. If, in their
> judgement, a new republic is necessary, I will gladly join them. If they
> succeed in salvaging Nova Roma, I will even more gladly return to my
> Constitutional duties.
>
> May the Gods preserve the Senate and People of Rome... whichever Rome.
>
> Valete,
> Marcus Martianus Gangalius
> Aedilis Curule et Vebsitarius Maximus
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> From: "Keith Seddon" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=051242203132237135180082190036" >K.H.S@--------</a>
> Subject: Re: a Quorum of the Senate has declared an Interregnum
>
> Does this explain why, having ticked the boxes on the Onelist site to
> subscribe to the NovaRoma list, I haven't received anything?
>
> (I have an inkling of what is going on, as I was getting the digest
> version. Just my luck, that when I use the Onelist thing for the first time
> ever to make a change, someone 'does something' to the list.)
>
> If our parent government has ceased to function -- temporarily, hopefully
> -- ought we to consider forming our own emergency government for Britannia?
> Or have we got instructions on how to cope for the interim?
>
> Live with honour,
>
> L. Gellius Severus
>
> ----------
> > From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
> > To: <a href="mailto:britannia@--------" >britannia@--------</a>
> > Subject: [britannia] a Quorum of the Senate has declared an Interregnum
> > Date: 1 July 1999 2.38.am
> >
> > From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
> >
> > It is on the website front page.
> >
> > They have suspended the government.
> >
> > C. Aelius Ericius.
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> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 19:27:08 +0100
> From: "Keith Seddon" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=051242203132237135180082190036" >K.H.S@--------</a>
> Subject: Re: Nova Roma Crisis
>
> Claudius Nigellus wrote:
> _______________________
>
> As a worst-case plan, perhaps someone more versed in copyright law than I
> could comment on the viability of carrying on Nova Roma as a UK-based
> entity. Name and flag may be registered in the US -- what about here?
> _______________________
>
> I know something about copyright law, & pretty much it is just common
> sense.
>
> If we wanted to continue with a Neo Nova Roma based here, we would not be
> able to use the Nova Roma web pages without permission. As they are
> excellent pages, and as surely their authors would wish Nova Roma to
> survive the current crisis, they may give us permission to use the pages on
> a new website put together by one of us British Romans.
>
> If we cannot get permission to use the pages, maybe we could make our own?
> Even the most simple and elementary pages would do to start with.
>
> As I understand it, there is no reason why we cannot use the Nova Roma
> name, tho any flags and slogans (are there any?) could not be used without
> permission from the copyright owner (usually the creator -- not Zeus you
> understand, the person who dreamed them up...).
>
> The archives are FULL of lovely Roman images. Are there any in any DOVER
> books? --they have loads of copyright-free books, and I'm sure someone can
> muster up a scanner -- or find free stuff on the Net.
>
> What REALLY COUNTS is the inspiration that Roman culture and values can
> give to the individual making their way in this strange
> Godforsaken world we find at the start of the new millennium. There always
> have been crises, and there always will be, even in Nova Roma. So let's
> take a wider perspective.
>
> Live with honour,
>
> L. Gellius Severus
>
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> _______________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:52:07 -0400
> From: Mike Ma--------r <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a>
> Subject: Re: Nova Roma Crisis
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> Claudius Nigellus wrote:
> _______________________
>
> >><snip>As a worst-case plan, perhaps someone more versed in copyright law
> than I
> >>could comment on the viability of carrying on Nova Roma as a UK-based
> >>entity. Name and flag may be registered in the US -- what about here?
> _______________________
>
> L. Gellius Severus responded
>
> ><snip>If we cannot get permission to use the pages, maybe we could make
> our own?
> >Even the most simple and elementary pages would do to start with.<snip>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> I refrain from advising on the copyright or any legal issue connected with
> the Board of Directors' of the NR Corp. of NH, US,'s decision to close down
> the political side of NR, in the hope that Palladius, Cassius and
> Cincinnatus will between them negotiate a settlement. I think that too much
> public thought about the legalities is capable of producing obstacles in
> the way of calm negotiation.
>
> For the same reason, I think Britanni should wait a at least few days
> before embarking on trying to create a substitute for NR or its Web Pages.
> Hopefully we will get out of this mess! Meanwhile, Martianus has
> established some provisional information links, and I extract (for those
> who haven't had it) from one of his recent cirular emails:
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Martianus writes:
>
> >To join <a href="mailto:roma_tertia@--------" >roma_tertia@--------</a>, go to <a href="http://www.--------/" target="_top" >http://www.--------/</a> and search
> >for roma_tertia. But as I indicated earlier, forming a new organization
> may
> >be premature. Right now, <a href="mailto:RomanBackAlley@--------" >RomanBackAlley@--------</a> is doing a wonderful
> >job of filling the information gap (THANK YOU, CRYS!), but I understand
> that
> >Crys's list is by invitation only, and she may want to keep it that way.
> My
> >idea was to create a new *open* list that anyone could join.
>
> >Meanwile, I have established an alternative web site at
> ><a href="http://members.xoom.com/mars_ultor/novaroma/news.htm" target="_top" >http://members.xoom.com/mars_ultor/novaroma/news.htm</a>, to provide news on
> the
> >crisis and the guide the citizens of Nova Roma to both
> ><a href="mailto:RomanBackAlley@--------" >RomanBackAlley@--------</a> and <a href="mailto:roma_tertia@--------" >roma_tertia@--------</a>.
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Valete,
>
> M. Mucius Scaevola Magister
>
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> _______________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:31:51 +0200
> From: hadji <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=180166080058082135090082190036" >hadji@--------</a>
> Subject: Re: a Quorum of the Senate has declared an Interregnum
>
> Salvete Britannici,
>
> What have happend in NR is really pity,and put me in quite difficult
> situation. I do not know what exactly happend and do not want to judge
> what is right as threre are in the both sides friends, whom I respect.
> Thatswhy I think is better to go on an own way moreover I always
> understand NR as a discussion club and NR authorities (magistrates) as
> formal one (a kind of game).
> I suppose in the same possition are many of NR citizens.
> So, I would like to propose you to salute our honored praetor as
> Augusta. Principate as a form of government has many possitive aspects,
> so lets try to use them . All the Panonnici I have discussed about
> (Josephus Aurelianus Panonnicus, Andrea Minucia Qvadica and Natalia
> Minucia Bactrica) have agreed with such a solution. I hope Aemilius
> Iul. Ceas. Pius from Gallia and Marcus Valerius Corvinus from Sarmatia
> will join too. If I will get the address of our citizen from Moesia
> Superior (Yugoslavia) it will be not so big problem to enlarge the
> republic (in its principal government form) in that direction.
>
> In any case I will always stay with our honored praetor and respect her
> decisions.
>
> Respectfully
>
> Alexander Iul. Caes. Probus Mac.
>
> Keith Seddon wrote:
> >
>
> > If our parent government has ceased to function -- temporarily, hopefully
> > -- ought we to consider forming our own emergency government for Britannia?
> > Or have we got instructions on how to cope for the interim?
> >
> > Live with honour,
> >
> > L. Gellius Severus
> >
>
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> _______________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: |
I hate to have to say this |
| From: |
william wheeler wuffa@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:58:41 +0100 |
|
Salve
I think I NEED to remind a lot of people of
#1some people have did in some time past formed a CORPORATION
called Nova Roma in the USA , they said this was for nontax stuff
#2 in USA law the members of that CORP'S board of directors
are the ones who are in complete control of NOVA ROMA as far as the LAW
goes.
#3 if they want too they can sue us ALL,
#4 I did not know about this here war,but if the people who started the
corp say can so none of us are in NR as far as the US law would say.
#5 my phone # is 503-234-7133 call anytime about NR stuff ,no toll calls
thanx
#6 I have send the Britannaia list to all other lists so the
North Am , and The UK can still talk to the other
#7 in this time WE all need to THINK AND TALK TO SAVE NOVA ROMA.
Vale
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