Subject:	Resignation
From:	Pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Mon, 05 Jul 1999 21:38:49 -0700

I regrettably inform those I have grown close to in Nova Roma that I am
resigning my membership immediately.

Pythia

Subject:	Re: A Statement
From:	Mike Ma--------r <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a>
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 05:31:17 -0400

Salvete, omnes!

Germanicus' first statement as Dictator begins well but ends badly.

The decision to proscribe L. Equitius Cincinnatus is within the powers of
the Dictator, but is a seriously unwise exercise of those powers for three
reasons.

(1) The decision to expel a citizen should only in the rarest cases be
taken without a trial.
(a) Expulsions without due process are a threat to and cause
insecurity among other Citizens (who's next? - as Martianus observed).
(b) They also inevitably rest on disputable facts. Only a few days
ago Flavia Claudia was arguing that L. Equitius had allowed himself to be
used as a front-man by a triumvirate of QFM, Sulla and Martianus. A couple
of days before that, the BoD/ Senate issued an expulsion order against me,
but not against L. Equitius. Now, Germanicus' story is that L. Equitius is
guilty of persuading the magistrates to organise elections in December
before the Comitia were ready. This story has immediately been disputed by
Martianus. The idea of trials is to settle factual (and normative) disputes
in an authoritative way. Expulsion by a Dictator doesn't do that.

(2) It is a common error of governments and political and religious leaders
to believe that dissent is caused by troublemakers and if we could only get
rid of the troublemakers all would be well. Hence the operations of the
British army in Boston, Mass. in the early 1770s. In this case (as (1)(b)
above) the leadership has been in considerable doubt as to who exactly the
troublemaker/s is or are.
The reality is that dissent is caused by disagreement about what to
do. "Getting rid of the troublemakers" merely changes the form of this
disagreement and shifts the methods by which disagreement surfaces from
republican ones to those of a court, i.e. intrigue within the ruling
circle, as in the old USSR.
I do not of course mean to compare Germanicus directly either to
Lord North and Gage, or to Lenin. NR is a voluntary organisation. The
expelled suffer no more than annoyance, inconvenience, and possible
defamation.
However, the idea that expelling someone is a good START to putting
NR back on its feet is a foolish piece of political unrealism.

(3) Germanicus says that he was appointed Dictator because he wasn't
involved in the earlier stage of the crisis (i.e. is unbiassed). The
decision to expel L. Equitius as a first step seems to suggest that he's
made his mind up on the merits already and on one side of the dispute.
On this basis anyone else who disagreed with the failure of the
Censors to act and with the illegal (both in NR and municipal law)
proceedings of the Board of Directors is entitled to doubt whether
Germanicus will give them a fair hearing.
If Germanicus has evidence to support his charges against L.
Equitius he should present it in public, so that Citizens can make their
own minds up. Otherwise, he should consider retracting this premature
expulsion.

Valete,

M. Mucius Scaevola Magister

Subject:	Re: My conclusions..
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:34:22 +0100

Salvete omnes

>From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>OH, WHAT A WHITEWASH! I want to know who was on the grassy knoll!
You are right, Gangalius. Some innocent people have their names associated
with the 'coup'.
After June 16th, the only people who corresponded about the impeachment of
the Censores were:
- Consul Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
- Questor Marcus Minucius Audens
- Praetor Saevola Magister

None of them sugested to take control of the Web site. The intention was to
scare the Censores and force them to implement the Comitia immediately. So,
it was not a real 'coup'.
Names like Gangalius, Sulla, Fabius Maximus are occasionally referred, but
have no active part on the impeachment attempt.

Valete

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Tribunus Plebis et coetera

Subject:	Fwd: [imbas-list] In the Absence of Heroes (Short Essay)
From:	Djester6@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 06:42:08 EDT

hey everyone, this is from my celtic reconstructionist, but somehow i feel it
proper to share this at this time.

Slan!
Ryan

Subject:	Re: Resignation
From:	Ira Adams iadams@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 05:50:08 -0500

>From: Pythia <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200176234108158116015132190036129" >kingan@--------</a>
>
>I regrettably inform those I have grown close to in Nova Roma that I am
>resigning my membership immediately.
>
>Pythia

In reviewing old messages, trying to sort out how we got to this point, I
ran across this from Gaius Marius Merullus:

>The only
>scenarios in which such voluntary policing wont work involve usurpations of
>power by some senators and/or magistrates, which will implode Nova Roma
>rapidly. The whole issue will then become moot, as we'll all go our
>separate ways quickly I'm sure.

Prophetic words?

I hope not.

Vale,

L. Sergius Aust.



sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.

(I think some people in togas are plotting against me.)

Subject:	Re: Appointment of Pro Tempore Magistrates
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:58:45 +0100

Salvete

Firstly I want to state that I completely disagree with the decision of the
Senate of appointing a Dictator... Nevertheless, as a Roman magistrate, I
respect that decision.
As to the decisions of our Dictator, I disagree with the following.


>Tribunus Plebis: Quintus Caecilius Metellus
>Tribunus Plebis: (vacant)
Is Metellus still alive? I didn't know that! I have been appointed Tribunus
by the Senate. I (or another active citizen) should fill this position until
the ellections, otherwise there is no Tribunus Plebis for Metellus is not an
active citizen of NR anymore.

>2) Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus, who has demonstrated a willingness to
>subvert and ignore the Constitution to achieve his desired ends, and as
such
>represents a grave threat to the State, is hereby removed from membership
in
>the Senate, his Citizenship is hereby revoked, and he is hereby banned from
>re-applying for Citizenship for a period of ten years.
This is totally unfair! Have you read the 'conspiracy' letters? You can
accuse Cincinnatus of being a bad politician, but he is not a traitor. I
would agree with him being removed from Consulship... But not as a
citizen!!!!

Valete

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Aedilis Plebis et coetera

Subject:	I'm tired of resignations
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:07:51 +0100

Salvete omnes

This cannot keep like this.

Either one is a Roman or one is not a Roman.

When a person accepts a magistracy and then resigns, it means that the
preson finds impossible to keep doing his/her job as a magistrate. That is
acceptable.

When a person resigns citizenship, it means that the person does not feel to
be a Roman anymore. That is not acceptable, for if one does not feel to be a
Roman anymore it means he/she never felt to be a Roman.

I deplore all those who quit citizenship, abandoning our Res Publica during
its most difficult moments.
Please resign magistracy, not citizenship, otherwise I will not even
consider your motives.

Valete omnes

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Aedilis Plebis et Propraetor Lusitaniae

Subject:	Re: A Statement
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:43:07 -0500

On 5 Jul 99, at 5:31, Mike Macnair wrote:

> If Germanicus has evidence to support his charges against L.
> Equitius he should present it in public, so that Citizens can make their
> own minds up. Otherwise, he should consider retracting this premature
> expulsion.
>
> Valete,
>
> M. Mucius Scaevola Magister

Seems they don't do much of anything in PUBLIC. We would
appear to be peons that do not deserve to be informed of what our
betters do. Seems this is for our own good.

Crys
Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina

"As for the
rest, it is my opinion that Cincinnatus must be restored!"

Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
Virgil

ICQ# 38493770
<a href="http://www.liberiorum.com" target="_top" >http://www.liberiorum.com</a>

Subject:	My application and other Priesthoods
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:13:49 -0500

On 4 Jul 99, at 18:07, Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:

>
> Also, in my researches, I understand that a group of non-elected
> magisterial/priestly aides known collectively as "apparitores". They would
> function as scribes, attendents, lictors, etc. I think there could be a
> definite place for such a group in Nova Roma, and I was wondering if there
> would be any interest amongst the Citizenry in filling such positions? At
> this stage, I'd like to just take an informal poll; if you think you might
> be interested in participating in the business of government (and other
> ceremonial duties), I'd like to know.
>
> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Dictator, Senator, and co-Founder

Salvete,

Perhaps what Nova Roma needs is a few LESS lessons in civics
and a few less offices and officers and MORE Priests (NOT priestly
aids, scribes, etc).

I applied long ago (oh, I would put it at a year and a half or better)
for the Iunonis Templique Sacerdotes. First the application was
lost, so I never heard back. THEN I reapplied and was told that it
was impossible to get to any of the Priestly applications because
the "Faction" was keeping Cassius hopping and so he couldn't
spare the time for appointments to Priesthoods (NO these are not
his words. I do have the emails, if anyone wants to see them. No
matter what, I cannot say that Cassius doesn't care about the
Religio, as he seems to me to be very passionate about it).

My Qualifications are:

I have been Pagan for 17 1/2 years. This is no passing fad for me.

I have been Ordained (legit and have the papers to prove it) for 2
years.I do not know how many of the Priests we have are actually
ordained, or if this is a requirement for a Priesthood or not.
However, being legally ordained, I DO have the ability to perform
legal marriages (and have already presided over the first Nova
Roman Wedding).

My Patron Deities are Juno, Jupiter and Minerva. If I am not
suitable for the Iunonis Templique Sacerdotes then I would like to
know where it is I may serve the gods best.

I am a SAHM (Stay At Home Matron). Basically this means that,
if nothing else, I have plenty of time to dedicate. I wondered about
this for a while, but I have since consulted with my husband and he
feels that there would be no interference between my Priesthood
and the children.

It seems to me that perhaps part of the problem may be that the
gods, seeing so many Priesthoods go unfilled, are a little upset.
Perhaps one of the FIRST things that should be done is get some
priests communicating with the gods. Upset gods are good to
precious few.

I have been supportive of Nova Roma. While I know some do not
like the idea of the Back Alley, it WAS one of, to my knowledge 2
or 3 veins of communication when the main list, the "phone lines"
to Nova Roma were cut last Wednesday.

Please consider this my third application. I understand that the
Dictator has imperium. Is there any reason why the Dictator
cannot appoint a Priest or two while appointing so many people to
offices? Surely we do not wish to further offend the gods.

Amethystia Iunia Crystallina

Subject:	Addendum to Pro Tempore Magistrate Appointments
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:33:40 -0400

Salvete, Omnes!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus is hereby appointed to the position of Tribune of
the Plebs. The state of the records I'm working with is appalling; I
apologize in advance for any other unintentional lapses that I have made or
will make.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator

Subject:	Re: Question
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:00:44 -0400

Salve,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:

> Salve Omnes...
>
> Dictator Germanicus, I have a question for you. Since you have
> decreed that the Elections were invalid becuase of the voting.....are
> the previous Senatus Consulta null and void becuase they were
> done the very same way? As a governmental magistrate I am
> curious. If you recall during this very debate that was one of the
> questions I asked you? Because the voting was done the very
> same way. i.e. one person one vote. Your invalidating the elections
> opens up some serious questions regarding the past Senatus
> Consultas and their force of law.

The elections were invalidated because the Constitution mandated that
elections of magistrates take place in a prescribed manner, with voting done
according to tribe and century. Since this was not done in last year's
elections, they were Unconstitutional and therefore invalid.

(I would remind Sulla that most of the results of those illegal elections
were made legal by my action appointing magistrates pro tempore yesterday.
Almost to a man, they followed the results of the elections.)

The question of Senatus Consulta is entirely different. The Constitution
specifically states (Article V, Section 5) that Senatus Consulta are passed
by a vote of the majority.

Thus, we have two different systems in place for two different arms of the
government. The Comitiae vote in groups, the Senators vote as individuals.
Just because one type of voting was done incorrectly and then later
overturned does not mean that the other type of voting was also incorrect.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator

Subject:	Re: Reply to Germanicus' request
From:	AC1917@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:14:55 EDT

Salve, Flavius Vedius Germanicus!
Although I am a new Nova Roman citizen, and due to my location
(Chicago) have not been able to participate in any events/activities; I am
deeply disturbed by the present crisis and the very real possibility that
Nova Roma could be destroyed. Therefore, I respond to your call for the
creation of magisterial/priestly aides.
I would like to help our Res Publica in any way I can. I offer my
services in any capacity the Senate and people deem useful. I hope that the
present crisis will be over quickly and that Nova Roma continue to grow and
spread her message.
Vale,
Camillus Severus Antoninus
(Alfonso Casal)

Subject:	Re: Question
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:46:53 -0400

Salvete,
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:
>
>> Salve Omnes...
>>
>> Dictator Germanicus, I have a question for you. Since you have
>> decreed that the Elections were invalid becuase of the voting.....>
>The elections were invalidated because the Constitution mandated that
>elections of magistrates take place in a prescribed manner, with voting
done
>according to tribe and century. Since this was not done in last year's
>elections, they were Unconstitutional and therefore invalid.
>

AND STILL NO TRIBES! Germanicus, weren't YOU responsible for that LAST YEAR
when you were Censor before you Resigned (the first time, there are other
instances of you quiting, aren't there Germanicus)?

I advised you and Cassius to put off the elections last (your assertion that
they were held at my insistance is another Lie), but the Senate insisted and
M Cassius held them.

The other lies being that you were not informed of Senate votes and that I
had access to the Senate, It was shut down when Cassius changed the codes
and website. These are just from the past couple of days.
>
>The question of Senatus Consulta is entirely different. The Constitution
>specifically states (Article V, Section 5) that Senatus Consulta are passed
>by a vote of the majority.
>
I maiantain that a Consul can legally veto the the other Consul from
bringing a vote
before the Senate or a Comitia. Thus Germanicus was never even brought
before the Senate for consideration. But hey, what does that matter, I'm not
in their clique. It's their website and they can do whatever they want,
obviously.

>Vale,Flavius Vedius Germanicus,

Someone who has never publicly taken the Oath of Office nor held an elected
office, only those appointed by his clique. Come to mention it, the Senate
now is the same as it was in the beginning and once again Germanicus is
Dictator.
IT's their bat and ball!

Valete, L Equitius

Subject:	Re: Addendum to Pro Tempore Magistrate Appointments
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:50:49 -0400

Salvete, Omnes!
>
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus is hereby appointed to the position of Tribune of
>the Plebs. The state of the records I'm working with is appalling;

Well, duh! Maybe now you can understand why there was an indictment being
considered against the Censores! Wait till you see the citizens list!

Valete, Lucius Equitius

>I apologize in advance for any other unintentional lapses that I have made
or
>will make.
>
>Vale,
>Flavius Vedius Germanicus,

Subject:	Appointment of Iunonis Templique Sacerdotes (was Re: [novaroma] My application and other Priesthoods)
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:00:49 -0400

Salvete,

Amethystia Iunia Crystallina wrote:

> I applied long ago (oh, I would put it at a year and a half or better)
> for the Iunonis Templique Sacerdotes. First the application was

<snip>

> My Qualifications are:

<Outstanding qualifications snipped>

> It seems to me that perhaps part of the problem may be that the
> gods, seeing so many Priesthoods go unfilled, are a little upset.
> Perhaps one of the FIRST things that should be done is get some
> priests communicating with the gods. Upset gods are good to
> precious few.

Now here we get to the crux of the matter. I wholeheartedly agree with
Crystallina on this; our State can not function without the imprimatur of
the Gods behind us. The sacred and political were inseparable during the
first Republic. We should not allow these vital posts to go unfilled, and I
believe that bringing the Religio Romana back into a vital role in Nova Roma
is essential to the continued welfare of the state.

As legally-appointed Dictator, charged with taking whatever steps I feel
necessary to end the current crisis and prevent its re-occurance, and
believing that the honoring of the Gods of Rome is essential to the
preservation of harmony within the State, I hereby appoint Amethystia Iunia
Crystallina Iunonis Templique Sacerdotes.

In private consultation with her on the matter, the following has also been
agreed; that she shall see to the establishment and maintenance of a Temple
of Iuno, first on a temporary basis and eventually as a dedicated facility.
Also linked with this appointment is the charge to delve into research
concerning the historical temples and worship of Iuno, in order to render
due and proper honor to the Mother of the Gods.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator

Subject:	Oath
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:05:55 -0400

Salve,

Micha--------op--------lt;a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>) wrot--------r>
> Someone who has never publicly taken the Oath of Office...

Apart from the rest of his post, Mr. Cope does raise a point.

"I, Flavius Vedius Germanicus, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor
of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the
Senate of Nova Roma.

"As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Flavius Vedius Germanicus, swear to do
honor to the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue
the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

"I, Flavius Vedius Germanicus, further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Dictator to the best of my abilities.

"On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Dictator and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto."

(Signed)

Flavius Vedius Germanicus

And to close the issue of any technicalities, I hereby revalidate any
actions I have taken as Dictator prior to the swearing of this oath.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator

Subject:	Oath of Office of Antonius Gryllus Graecus
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:09:34 +0100

I, Antonius Gryllus Graecus do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of
Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the
Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Antonius Gryllus Graecus swear to do honor
to the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the
Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Antonius Gryllus Graecus further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the offices of Aedilis Plebis, Tribunus Plebis and
Propraetor Provinciae Lusitaniae to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
positions of Aedilis Plebis, Tribunus Plebis and Propraetor Provinciae
Lusitaniae and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities
attendant thereto.

Antonius Gryllus Graecus

Subject:	Tribes
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:29:54 -0400

Salvete Omnes!

I have excellent news. The formation of the Tribes, upon which the
functioning of the Comitiae Populi and Plebis are based.

(Note that specific details regarding the functioning of all of the
Assemblies will be changing to bring them more in line with the historical
Roman Republican assemblies, but the tribes are still vital.)

Historically, the 34 tribes (4 Urban and 30 Rural) were originally
geographically based. As more territory was acquired and new citizens
brought into play, the tribes lost much of their geocentricity, although
certain tribes would still be favored in certain provinces. There seemed to
be no hard and fast rules that applied.

The division of the tribes into urban and rural was a means by which
freedmen could essentially be disenfranchised by lumping them all together
in the urban tribes (more people in fewer tribes means each vote is worth
less).

In the new system, the tribes will start out based on the place of residence
of each citizen. As we progress, new citizens will be added to tribes not
based on locale, but rather with an eye towards keeping the numbers in each
tribe roughly equal. Thus, tribes will have a preponderance of citizens from
one location, but will have newer citizens from other locations as well.

The four urban tribes will be reserved for those citizens who fail to vote
in a magisterial election. That is, if you fail to vote next December, you
will subsequently be relegated to an urban tribe. Should you vote the next
year, you will be re-located back to a rural tribe. Thus, our "dead wood"
will segregate itself.

In starting out the tribes, I have tried to keep the numbers roughly equal,
around 9 or 10. However, in some cases this was simply not practical, and
some tribes will be starting out slightly larger or smaller than the others.
Rest assured, as new citizens come in, they will be added to the tribes in
such a way as to even out the sizes.

Once the Centuries are complete, I'll be sending out private emails to
everyone confirming to which tribe and century they belong. In the meantime,
here is a general outline of the allocation of the tribes (thanks to Decius
Iunius Palladius for his initial work with the tribes which formed the basis
for this plan, and bear in mind that there is still a question with the
tribe names that is still pending):

Tribe I, Palatina: Magni Laci (Great Lakes OH non-Toledo/Fairborn/Freemont
portion)
Tribe II, Esqulina: Brazilia (portion at random)
Tribe III, Collina: Nova Britannia (New England MA portion)
Tribe IV, Horatia: Australia, Asia Orientalis (East Asia), Asia Centralis
(Russia)
Tribe V, Quirina: Mediatlantica (Mid-Atlantic VA MD portion)
Tribe VI, Cornelia: Magni Laci (Great Lakes OH Toledo/Fairborn/Freemont
portion)
Tribe VII, Sabatina: Thule (Scandinavia), Mexico, Arabia
Tribe VIII, Aemilia: Mediatlantica (Mid-Atlantic NY DE portion)
Tribe IX, Aniensis: Magni Laci (Great Lakes IN MI MN portion)
Tribe X, Falerna: Brazilia (Sao Paulo portion)
Tribe XI, Camillia: Britannia (random portion)
Tribe XII, Galeria: Mediatlantica (Mid-Atlantic PA portion)
Tribe XIII, Pomptina: Italia
Tribe XIV, Claudia: Magni Laci (Great Lakes WI MO portion)
Tribe XV, Velina: America Austrorientalis (Southeast America MS NC SC TN WV
portion)
Tribe XVI, Arnensis: Slovakia, Yugoslavia
Tribe XVII, Menenia: America Austroccidentalis (SW America TX-San Antonio AZ
portion)
Tribe XVIII, Papiria: America Boreoccidentalis (Northwest America), America
Medioccidentalis Superior (Upper-Midwest US)
Tribe IXX, Suburana: Brazilia (random portion)
Tribe XX, Poblilia: America Austroccidentalis (SW America NM OK portion),
California (random portion)
Tribe XXI, Pollia: Germania (Germany, The Netherlands, & Austria)
Tribe XXII, Maecia: America Austrorientalis (Southeast America FL GA KY
portion)
Tribe XXIII, Pupinia: Nova Britannia (New England non-MA portion)
Tribe XXIV, Romilia: Magni Laci (Great Lakes IL IA portion)
Tribe XXV, Scaptia: America Austroccidentalis (SW America TX-non-San Antonio
portion)
Tribe XXVI, Stellatina: Lusitania, Hispania, Gaul
Tribe XXVII, Teretina: California (random portion)
Tribe XXVIII, Voturia: Britannia (random portion), Canada Orientalis (E.
Canada)
Tribe XXIX, Sergia: California (random portion)
Tribe XXX, Tromentina: Mediatlantica (Mid-Atlantic NJ portion)

If you have a specific question about what tribe you belong to, please email
me privately or (ideally) wait for the mass emailing to go out. If I missed
any portions of provinces, that's because I am still waiting to get some
as-yet-unprocessed citizenship applications; you _will_ be assigned to a
tribe.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator

Subject:	Re: Tribes
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:41:54 +0100

Salve Germanice

The Constitution says:

The comitia populi is convened by either a Consul or Praetor Urbanis. Its
functions are to vote upon those laws that are be presented to it for
consideration by a Consul; elect the Curule Aediles and Quaestors;
participate in certain religious rites; ceremonially invest magistrates of
Quaestor rank or above with Imperium to formally ratify the magisterial
appointments of the Senate; and approve or disapprove the recommendations of
the Censors to elevate Plebian gentes to Patrician status. It shall be made
up of thirty tribes, the composition of which shall be determined by the
Censors, but shall be made up of all Citizens of Nova Roma, regardless of
class. Each tribe shall elect one of its members to speak for it in those
matters that shall be refered to the comitia populi; such speakers shall be
appointed for life.
The comitia centuriata is convened by a Consul. Its functions are to vote
upon those laws that are presented to it for consideration by a Consul;
elect Consuls, Praetores Urbanii, and Censors; and act as a court of final
appeal in cases of civil and criminal law. It shall be made up of one
hundred and eighteen centuries, the composition of which shall be determined
by the Censors, but shall be made up of all Citizens of Nova Roma,
regardless of class. Each century shall elect one of its members to speak
for it in those matters that shall be refered to the comitia centuriata;
such speakers shall be appointed until the comitia is released by a Consul.
The comitia plebis is convened by a Tribune of the Plebs. Its functions are
to vote upon those laws that are presented to it for consideration by a
Tribune of the Plebs; elect Tribunes of the Plebs and Plebian Aediles; and
hear trials of civil and criminal cases according to the leges Novae Romae,
as administered by the Quaestors. It shall be made up of thirty five tribes,
the composition of which shall be determined by the Censors, but which shall
be made up exclusively of all Citizens from the Plebian class. Each tribe
shall elect one of its members to speak for it in those matters that shall
be refered to the comitia plebis; such speakers shall be appointed until the
comitia is released by a Tribune of the Plebs.

As we can see, each assembly has a different set of tribes, and in some
Comitia, only citizens of a certain class may vote. How will this be
implemented?

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Tribunus Plebis et coetera

Subject:	Re: Fw: Agenda from Roman Days Votes
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:43:07 EDT

In a message dated 07/04/1999 9:14:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< For those who wish a Dictator, be careful what you wish for.
>>

I echo this!

--Dexippus

Subject:	Restore Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus!
From:	Greta Goring gretagoring@--------
Date:	Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:08:52 PDT

Salvete,

At the urging of another supporter of Lucius Equitius,
I am moved to post this message.

I have been in Nova Roma for only a few months and thus
I am not a political heavyweight; I am a "freshman" to boot.
However, I am proud to say that, as yet, I have not run from
the current crisis and I have been closely observing the very
tense politcal (or was it non-political?) situation.
I know very little of whatever "secret maneuvers" were taking
place on the part on anyone. I can only speak of what I know
of Lucius as a man, as a citizen and as a Roman.

I still cannot say what moved me to join his gens. However,
I can honestly say that at the time I did not know that he WAS
Consul this year. (Although it was easy to see his dedication,
enthusiasm and active participation in Nova Roma.) It is to be
noted, and much to his credit I might add, that in his private
coorespondence with me at the beginning he never once referred
to himself as Consul or even as a Senator. He merely said that
he was Priest of Mars. He took time from his many responsibil-
ities as Consul to listen and try to help me with some personal
problems as well as ask to see some of my literary work.

Throughout all our communication, I found him to be a man of
integrity and the Roman virtues, not to mention that he seems
to have Rome flowing in his very blood. It should be obvious to
everyone how so very competent, thorough and efficient he WAS
in his capacity as Consul. I will not believe that he was part
of any "plot." I am sure that any actions taken in regard to the Censores
(re: the Comitiae problem) were motivated only by a
desire to further strengthen the New Rome and its establishments,
not out of personal spite.

I think that this "dictatorship" will be very sorry one day soon
if "they" do not restore a man of Lucius' ability and commitment.

["As for the rest, it is my opinion that Cincinnatus be restored!"]

Valete, Helena Equitia Ovidia

Subject:	Re: I'm tired of resignations
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:09:08 EDT

In a message dated 07/05/1999 7:09:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> writes:

<< When a person resigns citizenship, it means that the person does not feel
to
be a Roman anymore. That is not acceptable, for if one does not feel to be a
Roman anymore it means he/she never felt to be a Roman. >>

I would disagree. Leaving NR is not equivalent of denying one's "Roman-ess".
We were ROMANS long before NR came into existence. We voluntarily chose to
join and become Nova-Romans. We will be ROMANS long after NR.

If one feels the actions, policies, and decisions of the Nova Roma
Magistrates are no longer serving their interests, he/she should do what is
right in his/her heart. If that means leaving NR then that is what must be
done. I am not encouraging anyone to leave NR, but let's not place a guilt
trip on those who may be considering doing so because of the childishness and
ego-mania that is plaguing our micro-nation.

For their is nothing more ROMAN than following one's own heart!

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: My application and other Priesthoods
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:12:26 EDT

In a message dated 07/05/1999 10:13:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
&-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a> writes:

<< Perhaps what Nova Roma needs is a few LESS lessons in civics
and a few less offices and officers and MORE Priests (NOT priestly
aids, scribes, etc). >>

Subject:	Re: I'm tired of resignations
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:21:40 +0100

Salve Dexippe et omnes

>I would disagree. Leaving NR is not equivalent of denying one's
"Roman-ess".
> We were ROMANS long before NR came into existence. We voluntarily chose
to
>join and become Nova-Romans. We will be ROMANS long after NR.
True. But someone who submits an application for Nova Roman citizenship is
recognising NR as the heir of Roma.

Roma has seen good and bad days. Political struggle was the word of the day.
The same is happenning in NR. Does that mean that NR is not Roma? No! It
means that we are a nation and NR is a state in everything similar with
other nations and states, including the ancient Roma.

Valete

Antonius Gryllus Graecus

Subject:	Re: Tribes
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:33:22 -0400

Salve,

Antonius Gryllus Graecus wrote:

<snip>

> As we can see, each assembly has a different set of tribes, and in some
> Comitia, only citizens of a certain class may vote. How will this be
> implemented?

This was an error in the original Constitution, and will be corrected soon;
there was only one set of tribes historically. At the risk of getting ahead
of myself (right now I'm involved in putting together the centuries), the
rough outline of my intended changes (and remember that this is not a
finished concept, as I'm in consultation with a number of people about it)
is:

The Comitia Populi, whose activities are purely ceremonial, will consist
only of 30 lictores curiati appointed for the task.

The Comitia Centuriata will enact laws; elect consuls, praetors, and
censors; and will vote according to centuries.

The Comitia Plebis Tributa will enact laws; elect tribunes of the plebs and
plebian aediles; and will vote according to tribes (with only non-patricians
allowed to vote).

The Comitia Populi Tributa will enact laws; elect quaestors, curule aediles,
and military tribunes; and will vote according to tribes (with everyone
allowed to vote).

As with everything, input on this is welcome.

Oh, and the following got cut off my last email:

Tribe XXXI, Voltinia: Mediatlantica (Mid-Atlantic PA portion)

Hope that clarifies things a tad.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator

Subject:	Senate Appointments
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:18:00 -0400

Salvete Omnes,

I firmly believe that one of the most vital institutions in Nova Roma has
suffered from both a paucity of members and a lack of hard and fast rules to
regulate debate and voting.

To take the second point first, does anyone have any experience with
parliamentary groups in an on-line setting? I'm collecting examples of how
it's done by others for application in our own situation.

Secondly, as legally appointed Dictator of Nova Roma, I hereby appoint the
following individuals to the Senate, should they consent to so serve (at the
very least, our higher magistrates should be included in its ranks):

* Lucius Cornelius Sulla (currently praetor urbanis)
* Marcus Mucius Scaevola Magister (currently praetor urbanis)
* Minervina Iucundia Flavia (currently propraetor, America Austrorientalis
Provincia)
* Quinta Claudia Lucentia Aprica (currently propraetor, Britannia Provincia)
* Caius Aelius Ericius (currently propraetor, California Provincia)
* Gaius Triumphius Cicero (currently propraetor, Canada Orientalis
Provincia)
* Primus Fabius Cunctator (currently praetor, Italia Provincia)
* Gaius Drusus Domitianus (currently praetor, Laci Magni Provincia)
* Antonius Gryllus Graecus (currently propraetor, Lusitania Provincia)
* Magnus Hadrianus Ingmarius Cogitatus Thuleus (currrently Propraetor, Thule
Provincia)

In the interest of staving off chaos, I hereby direct the Senate to forego
the conduct of any business until such time as a suitable set of rules for
debate and voting can be established. That will hopefully happen within the
next few days.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator

Subject:	Citizenship of Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
From:
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:16:06 EDT

Salvete,

I would just like to remind everyone that Lucius Equitius has the right to
appeal to the Comitia Centuriata on the matter of his revoked citizenship, as
defined by article II section 4 of the constitution. From the looks of
things, he would most likly be reinstated as a private citizen, but we will
only find out once the Dictator has formed the Comitiae. I will reiterate
that we will not like ALL of the dictator's decisions, but that he has been
appointed for the good of Nova Roma. As our Tribune of the People stated, you
may not like the idea of a Dictator, but is it not your duty as a citizen to
stand by him, and his decisions? I would also like to remind everyone that if
the Dictator does cause any damage to our Republic (which at the moment I'm
doubting), article III section 9 of the Constitution states: " After his/her
term of office has expired, the actions of the Dictator will be subject to
review and final permanent approval by the Senate and Citizens of Nova Roma."
Again, the Dictator can, in the end, do us NO HARM, only good. I encourage
everyone to offer Germanicus constructive information and advice, rather than
critisizing him.

Valete,
Gnaeus Tarquinius Caesar
Paterfamilias gens Tarquinia
Promotor Fidei

Subject:	Re: Senate Appointments
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:29:58 +0100

Salvete


-----Original Message-----
From: Flavius Vedius Germa--------s <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 7:16 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Senate Appointments


>From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> >
>Salvete Omnes,
>
>Secondly, as legally appointed Dictator of Nova Roma, I hereby appoint the
>following individuals to the Senate, should they consent to so serve (at
the
>very least, our higher magistrates should be included in its ranks):
>
>* Antonius Gryllus Graecus (currently propraetor, Lusitania Provincia)
>
>Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
>Dictator
I, Antonius Gryllus Graecus accept the proposal of being Senator of Nova
Roma.

Valete

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Tribunus Plebis et coetera

Subject:	Ludi Romani pro Concordia et Dictator Germanicus
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:34:38 +0100

Salvete omnes

I, Antonius Gryllus Graecus, Aedilis Plebis hereby announce that
Gladiatorial Games shall be held tomorrow in honour of Concordia and the
recently appointed Dictator Flavius Vedius Germanicus.
I appeal to the people of Nova Roma to present all the support he deserves
in this difficult period, and assist to the Games.
The Games shall be held at Noon PDT 3 EDT at the Arena:
<a href="http://venus.beseen.com/chat/rooms/d/439123" target="_top" >http://venus.beseen.com/chat/rooms/d/439123</a>

Ave Roma!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Aedilis Plebis

Subject:	Re: I'm tired of resignations
From:	Marius Fimbria legion6@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:07:12 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete omnes:

> We were ROMANS long before NR came into existence. We voluntarily
> chose to join and become Nova-Romans. We will be ROMANS long after
> NR.

Finally, something Dex and I can agree on! >({|:-)

But seriously, folks: There's a reason it was called 'Citizenshhip'
when we joined, and not 'membership' or something like. You can be a
'member' of a club; and you can resign such 'membership'...but
Citizenship is of a nation, and who ever heard of resigning one's
Citizenship? Before Nova Roma, that is...which everyone insists is a
nation, but which gets treated more like a club; maybe if we did like
every other nation on the earth and had people sworn in as Citizens at
a ceremony of some kind, they would begin to appreciate the gravity of
the decision.

You may, if you feel you must, *renounce* your Citizenship. But this
'resigning' jazz is bullcrap.

> For their is nothing more ROMAN than following one's own heart!

Na, Dexippe, this is where some of us have missed a beat:

-- There is nothing more Roman than following one's DUTY.

Yours under the Eagles...
---
__________ _<~) __________
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<-\\\*##*///-> and Citizen of Rome
o---<<<<||SPQR||>>>>---o Latin lessons, History lectures
///\\\ Role-playing Games, too!

aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends

Subject:	Re: My application and other Priesthoods
From:	Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:36:23 -0700 (PDT)

-- Don and Crys Meaker &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a> wrote:
> Perhaps what Nova Roma needs is a few LESS lessons in civics
> and a few less offices and officers and MORE Priests (NOT priestly
> aids, scribes, etc).
[...]
> Please consider this my third application. I understand that the
> Dictator has imperium. Is there any reason why the Dictator
> cannot appoint a Priest or two while appointing so many people to
> offices? Surely we do not wish to further offend the gods.

I'd like to apply as well. What are the qualifications?


-Kyrene



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Subject:	Re: Senate Appointments
From:	greenjacket@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:27:17 -0400

On Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:18:00 -0400 "Flavius Vedius Germanicus"
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> writes:
>To take the second point first, does anyone have any experience with
>parliamentary groups in an on-line setting? I'm collecting examples of
>how
>it's done by others for application in our own situation.

Greetings,
As the Assisant Adiminstrator for the Church of All Worlds we have
set up a system for on-line Board of Director meetings and Board
workings. I can give a short overview here and fill in more detail later
if needed.
The BoD meetings are set in a chat room with only the BoD members
able to speak. Others may be in the chat room but are only able to view
the goings on. When there is a person with buissness before the BoD they
are then given permission to speak and their icon on the screen is
switched to spesk mode for the time needed. There is a person assigned to
keep track of who is to speak in what order, sort of a virtual talking
stick.
This is the boiled down version of the meetings. Workings are
generally done via e-mail and a 72 hour deadline for the final vote on a
subject. Use of this keeps the meetings flowing and in full public view.
This system has worked for some time and does it well, as we have
BoD members from across the US as well as Australia with the Church
centered here in Toledo.
I hope that I have been of service.
Tiberius Flavius Saturninus

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Subject:	Re: I'm tired of resignations
From:	Exitil@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:37:50 EDT

<< When a person resigns citizenship, it means that the person does not feel
to
be a Roman anymore. That is not acceptable, for if one does not feel to be a
Roman anymore it means he/she never felt to be a Roman. >>

Perhaps the people leaving feel that they were never Roman in the first place
because the organization isnt Rome and that is becoming even more apparent
with all this squabbling?

Subject:	Venator Resurgans!
From:	Steven Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Mon, 05 Jul 1999 15:27:15 -0700

Salus et Fortuna Omnes!!!

WOW!!! I go away for a couple of weeks and...

Primus: My trip into the Theodish Heartland was very instructive and
energizing. I would trust these people to house-sit while my wife and I
were away. They have been at the work of re-awakening the pre Christian
Anglo-Saxon ways for over 30 years. They do a fine job, religiously and
socially. I am getting feedback that as the first Asatruar invited to
attend one of their religious celebrations in many years, I proved a worthy
guest, who is welcome to re-visit.

Secondus: Talk about growing pains! Almost 500 messages in my e-mail
backlog, with getting the lists as digests! I am not concerned about what
led up to the current situation, save as an object lesson in how NOT to do
things. But to grow, you stumble and hurt yourself (and others) sometimes.
I hope that on further reflection resignations and other leave-taking will
be reconsidered. I have seen very few words written here which did not
reflect Romaness (save Festus and his offspring). We all want to help -Roma
Resurgans-, unfortunately: 100 Romans = 1349 opinions and methods.

Tertius: I don't abandon my commitments, however rough the road. Just my
way.

I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the Honor
of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the People and
Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator swear to do
Honor to the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue
the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Quaestor Pro Tempore to the best of my
abilities.

On my Honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman People and by Their Will and Favor, do I accept the
position of Quaestor Pro Tempore and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities thereto.

Quartus: I shall, if the Office of the Dictator approves, keep the Sodalis
pro Coquus et Coqueror as a part of Nova Roma. Under that, the Mead Manual
is still available. Any moneys which I had heretofore dedicated as a
donative for the future of Nova Roma shall be held in escrow until such time
as we have a good plan for the future. (US$5 donation plus US$3 postage =
US$8, e-mail for details on ordering.)

Quintus: To all those with whom I have had private conversation over the
past year (Hej! This month is my One Year Anniversary of being a
Citizen!!!), It's been ugly recently, harsh words have been too often
expressed, feelings have been hurt... But, we have had Joyful moments: the
birth of Lapis (congrats Crystallina on entering the Roman Priesthood),
Noct'a coming to join Sulla, gladness at Germanicus returning, new Cives
entering the New City, Sodalities formed, ethereal friendships made (for how
can we be as but shadows to each other, no matter how clever and courteous
our words on screen may be if we can not hear one another's voice, see one
another's eyes, clasp one another's hand?)... We are all Roman (well one or
two of us are half-Roman), isn't it worth some heartache if we can forge a
community? Should the monuments we leave our posterity be made of sand or
bronze? The drudge work of digging the footings and laying the foundation
stones is dirty, tiring and thankless. In our fatigue, let us remember
-Roma Resurgans- and continue to work through the pain and tears.

mea sententia

In Amicus et Fidelis - Venator -Res Publica Roma Resurgans-

Subject:	Tribes
From:	Mike Macnair MikeMacnair@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:58:17 -0400

Salvete omnes,

Congratulations are due from all Citizens to Germanicus and Palladius for
organising the allocation of Citizens to the Tribes, the key to Nova Roma's
proper functioning as a Republic under its Constitution!


Now that the main bone of contention in the recent crisis is so rapidly got
out of the way, hopefully we can go on to more constructive work.

In this line, congratulations are also due for the appointment of
Crystallina as priestess of Juno - both to Crystallina, and to Germanicus
for an excellent appointment.

Still a niggle, though. If the tribes could be sorted out so quickly - why
was it necessary or appropriate for Germanicus to proscribe L. Equitius?

Valete,

M. Mucius Scaevola Magister

Subject:	Sodalita
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:38:39 -0400

Salve,

> From: Steven Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
>
> Quartus: I shall, if the Office of the Dictator approves, keep the
Sodalis
> pro Coquus et Coqueror as a part of Nova Roma. Under that, the Mead
Manual
> is still available. Any moneys which I had heretofore dedicated as a
> donative for the future of Nova Roma shall be held in escrow until such
time
> as we have a good plan for the future. (US$5 donation plus US$3 postage =
> US$8, e-mail for details on ordering.)

Absolutely; the status of both the Sodalitas pro Coquus et Coqueror and the
Sodalitas Militarium remains unchanged.

(And on a personal note, having myself received a copy of said mead-making
manual, may I heartily recommend it to anyone interested in the art. It is a
terrific, clear, and concise instruction manual; well done Venator!!)

Also, as the legally appointed Dictator of Nova Roma, I would like to take
this opportunity to declare the Sodalitas Pro Infantia (currently under the
direction of Amethystia Iunia Crystallina) as an officially sponsored
Sodalicum. It is a valuable resource, and deserves the patronage of the
State.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator

Subject:	Re: I'm tired of resignations
From:	Joan Lansberry or Julia Cachia gallae@--------
Date:	Mon, 05 Jul 1999 14:37:34 -0700

Salve!
Antonius Gryllus Gracus has written well:
>....someone who submits an application for Nova Roman citizenship is
recognising NR as the heir of Roma. Roma has seen good and bad days.
Political struggle was the word of the day. The same is happening in NR.
Does that mean that NR is not Roma? No! It means that we are a nation and
NR is a state in everything similar with other nations and states,
including the ancient Roma.

V Iulia Galla, possibly to be known in coming days as Iulia Menenia Galla,
comments in emphatic agreement: It seems that many things have been said in
haste and the heat of anger. Yes, it's a crisis for Nova Roma, but with
patience, the calm of reason, and the favor of the Ancient Gods, the crisis
will indeed pass. This community will be closer for those who endure, and
much closer to realizing the hope and love which guided us all here. Of
course I've said a thing which is idealistic! And, as a very new citizen, I
beg you all to hold on to your ideals, renew your hope in them rather than
bail out when vision is most needed. Even a cautious "wait and see" outlook
can suffice to give matters a chance at successful resolution. I certainly
will give Germanicus ample trust and time to steer us to calmer seas and
opportunity to reconstruct in accord with that largely shared vision.
Valete omnes!

Iulia

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Joan's "A Tale Told With Time":
<<a href="http://www.azstarnet.com/~gallae/jurnndex.htm" target="_top" >http://www.azstarnet.com/~gallae/jurnndex.htm</a>>
Julia: <<a href="http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/julia.htm" target="_top" >http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/julia.htm</a>>
Joan's "Out On a Limb":<<a href="http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/joanalll.html" target="_top" >http://www.casagrande.com/~gallae/joanalll.html</a>>

Subject:	Additional Appointments
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:45:57 -0400

Salvete Omnes!

As the legally-appointed Dictator of Nova Roma, I would like to announce the
following appointments:

Marcus Martianus Gangalius (currently serving as Curule Aedile) is hereby
appointed to membership in the Senate.

Marcus Cornelius Felix is hereby appointed to the position of Quaestor,
specifically in the role of assisting me with various tasks, and in a role
to be determined by the Senate after the duration of my term as Dictator.
(Please note that this is not the same as his being made Master of Horse.)

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator

Subject:	Re: Tribes
From:	Annik Boyer pythie@--------
Date:	Mon, 05 Jul 1999 17:53:53 -0400

>If you have a specific question about what tribe you belong to, please email
>me privately or (ideally) wait for the mass emailing to go out. If I missed
>any portions of provinces, that's because I am still waiting to get some
>as-yet-unprocessed citizenship applications; you _will_ be assigned to a
>tribe.
>
>Valete,
>
>Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
>Dictator
>
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I am happy to meet you.
I have a question about what gens and tribe I am in. I had asked before at
least twice and nobody responded to my question.
I had suscribed myself as Pythie Atalante Odyssei if I am not mistaken and
I had, after that asked to be in the gens Odyssei and as I already said,
nobody responded to me or confirm me that.

I hope you can do something or give me a sign or something about that.

Pythie Odyssei Atalante (or something like that, I am all mixed up since I
had the citizenship)


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Atalante la Pythie
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Subject:	Re: Tribes
From:	Annik Boyer pythie@--------
Date:	Mon, 05 Jul 1999 18:00:18 -0400

Sorry everyones, my previous e-mail was intented to be a personal e-mail

Pythie Odyssei Atalante


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Subject:	Re: Tribe XVIII, Papiria: America Boreoccidentalis (Northwest America),
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:38:28 -0400

Salve,

> From: w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a>
>
> Salve
> so Flavius Vedius Germanicus
> if you have Civii lists with you are there ANY other Civii
> in Tribe XVIII, Papiria: America Boreoccidentalis (Northwest America),
> other then MOI? and or Any civii out here in the PNW
> now that we are a Tribe lets get to know each other.

Actually, Tribus XVIII Papiria is made up both of Cives in Northwest America
and the Upper-Midwest. Each of the tribes has around 10 members; some
slightly more, some slightly less.

> Not that I mind but as you have set this up
> some Genii ( Cornelius, all the genii starting with the Letter E etc..)
> same to have a lot of Tribei that they will OWN out right and

Hmmm... the tribes are formed irrespective of the gentes (except for the
gentes that happen to be geographically closely knit). They're purely
geographically-based. Or am I not understanding what you're asking?

> I would guess vote as ONE
> I would think you would want to have a genii only in one tribe
> other then give a few Genii a lot of the tribe
> I am talking about this now before the seting of the tribe become a
> thing of just a few genii and other genii locked out of the voteing
> and no I do not know how to fix it other then the way you are doing it.

I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're asking here. Some of the
gentes are spread all around the world, and thus would be spread throughout
a number of tribes. Some (such as gens Vedia, for example), are only located
in one place. Plus, remember, this only applies to the initial placement of
tribes; as new members are brought into different gentes, they'll be placed
in tribes with an eye towards keeping the tribe sizes equal, rather than
gens affiliation.

Hope this clarifies things.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator

Subject:	Re: Tribes
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:09:47 EDT

In a message dated 7/5/99 5:00:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a> writes:

<< Congratulations are due from all Citizens to Germanicus and Palladius for
organising the allocation of Citizens to the Tribes, the key to Nova Roma's
proper functioning as a Republic under its Constitution!

Congratulations are due to Germanicus only for POSTING the tribes. The work
for the Tribes was complete before the interregnum by Decius Iunius Palladius
and myself.

> Now that the main bone of contention in the recent crisis is so rapidly got
out of the way, hopefully we can go on to more constructive work.

This is certainly the issue that's had the most attention, but there have in
fact been several issues that have needed changing. Since the "pre
Interregnum" Senate was completely moribound, and no real vote had taken
place for something like five months, it's almost certainly that more
constructive work will be done from here on in.

> In this line, congratulations are also due for the appointment of
Crystallina as priestess of Juno - both to Crystallina, and to Germanicus
for an excellent appointment.

AVE to Crystallina, I am certain she will do much honor to the position!

>Still a niggle, though. If the tribes could be sorted out so quickly - why
was it necessary or appropriate for Germanicus to proscribe L. Equitius?

I won't presume to answer for Flavius Vedius Germanicus on this issue. One of
the joys of Dictatorship is having to cut a "gordion knot" of issues in the
most direct way possible...

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

Subject:	Metellus
From:	"RCW" alexious@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:14:16 -0700

Salvete Quirites and so-called 'non-quirites' alike!

This is Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia using Lucius Cornelius Sulla's
account (just so ye know).

Not having had email access for a while, I have been hearing all the news
from Sulla, so I have had no chance to read it first hand and put in my own
comments.

Not having had time to read it all and form my own opinions upon the matters
yet, I shall not comment upon it yet.

I do, however, agree that Metellus has not actively been a citizen for a
while.

I remember a few months ago, when a few people were trying to get a hold of
him, he appeared on AOL IM and I tried to speak to him, he made his excuses
and logged off.

I believe that there should be a set time limit on the oath taking.
With exceptions (eg for illness) set by the censores.

Well that's all til I can get online

Valete

Noct'a

Subject:	Re: Question
From:	"RCW" alexious@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:36:07 -0700

Thank you for the clarafication Germanicus.

L. Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus
-----Original Message-----
From: Flavius Vedius Germa--------s <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Question


>From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> >
>Salve,
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:
>
>> Salve Omnes...
>>
>> Dictator Germanicus, I have a question for you. Since you have
>> decreed that the Elections were invalid becuase of the voting.....are
>> the previous Senatus Consulta null and void becuase they were
>> done the very same way? As a governmental magistrate I am
>> curious. If you recall during this very debate that was one of the
>> questions I asked you? Because the voting was done the very
>> same way. i.e. one person one vote. Your invalidating the elections
>> opens up some serious questions regarding the past Senatus
>> Consultas and their force of law.
>
>The elections were invalidated because the Constitution mandated that
>elections of magistrates take place in a prescribed manner, with voting
done
>according to tribe and century. Since this was not done in last year's
>elections, they were Unconstitutional and therefore invalid.
>
>(I would remind Sulla that most of the results of those illegal elections
>were made legal by my action appointing magistrates pro tempore yesterday.
>Almost to a man, they followed the results of the elections.)
>
>The question of Senatus Consulta is entirely different. The Constitution
>specifically states (Article V, Section 5) that Senatus Consulta are passed
>by a vote of the majority.
>
>Thus, we have two different systems in place for two different arms of the
>government. The Comitiae vote in groups, the Senators vote as individuals.
>Just because one type of voting was done incorrectly and then later
>overturned does not mean that the other type of voting was also incorrect.
>
>Vale,
>
>Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
>Dictator
>
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Subject:	Vestial?
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:59:30 -0500

On 5 Jul 99, at 12:36, Kyrene Ariadne wrote:

> I'd like to apply as well. What are the qualifications?
>
>
> -Kyrene

If you would pardon my interference, aren't you the one who seems
so very qualified to possibly be a vestial?

I am not saying I would not like others to join me in my particular
Temple, but we NEED a vestial (and how) and I always thought you
would be excellent in the position (no pun intended <G>).

Crystallina
Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina

"As for the
rest, it is my opinion that Cincinnatus must be restored!"

Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
Virgil

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Subject:	Re: Tribes
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:02:25 -0500

On 5 Jul 99, at 16:58, Mike Macnair wrote:

> In this line, congratulations are also due for the appointment of
> Crystallina as priestess of Juno - both to Crystallina, and to Germanicus
> for an excellent appointment.

Thank you dear. I have returned home with the beginnings of a
physical, temporary alter. I will work on setting it and perhaps
some sort of online temple during the week. I am researching Juno
more than ever before, and will post all I find as soon as I can.

I'm working on it guys.

Amethystia Iunia Crystallina -- Priestess to Juno

PS -- any preferences to a title?
Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina

"As for the
rest, it is my opinion that Cincinnatus must be restored!"

Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
Virgil

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Subject:	ROFLMAO!!!!
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:11:40 -0500

Salvete,

I must admit that I NEVER thought I would see the day that I would
SMILE at any email that came from Germanicus!! The gods MUST
know what they are doing <G>!

I must come out and say that I am (so far -- I just can't seem to
burn the bridge) impressed with the job Germanicus is doing to
bring this insanity to an end. When I spoke with him about the
Priesthood and the Sodalis, he promised that he would get to it
ASAP. Well, I expected that to be, say, 6 months from now if
ever. His announcement of the priesthood was in my mailbox
before I could log off!!!!!

Frightenly like prompt. :::::shudder::::::::

I then came home and found out that Sulla had been appointed to
the Senate. To make a long story short, I screamed to my
husband to come and read it to me as I KNEW I read it wrong!!!

Frightenly like ---- HADES, that one was just plain frightening!! <G>

So far so good Germanicus.

Crys
Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina

"As for the
rest, it is my opinion that Cincinnatus must be restored!"

Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
Virgil

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Subject:	Oath??
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:12:43 -0500

Salvete,

Do I have to make and take an oath to the Priesthood? If I do I will
take and post it as soon as I can!

Crystallina
Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina

"As for the
rest, it is my opinion that Cincinnatus must be restored!"

Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
Virgil

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Subject:	Disenfranchisemnet of Cincinnatus and Tribe XII or XXXI ?
From:	"LegionXXIV" legionxxiv@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 20:05:50 -0400

VICESIMA - QUARTA
LEGIO XXIV - MEDIA - ATLANTIA

* PROVINCIA PENNSYLVANIA *
* MEDIA - ATLANTICA * AMERICIA *

Defending the Frontiers of Ancient Rome
in the Mid - Atlantic Province
of North America


July 5,
1999
Year of Rome 2752

Ave et Salutatio... Germanicus
NovaRomani All

Hello and Greetings from Gallio Velius Marsallas,
Praefectus, Legio XXIV-Media-Atlantica;
Tribune Militaris, NovaRoma Gens Velia
aka George W. Metz
13 Post Run Newtown Square, PA 19073-3014
<a h--------"/post/nova--------?p--------ctID=034056178009193116001195151189114012071048139" >legionXXIV@--------</a> 610-363-4982
<a href="http://www.legionXXIV.org" target="_top" >http://www.legionXXIV.org</a>

This is my first entrance into the politics of NovaRoma,
as far I can recall.
I was taken back by the disenfranchisement of Cincinnatus.
He seemed to be, at least from my viewpoint, among the
more level-headed responders to the "list" and one I could
turn to for clarification of the often muddled politics of
NovaRoma. N.R. has become strangled by inaction,
indecision and procrastination by its elected and/or
appointed administrators. Cincinnatus had offered to
assist me in getting through this apparent morass.
If he over-stepped his powers it was probably an attempt
to move things off dead-center for the betterment of our
Micro-Nation. What was done to Cincinnatus, without a
hearing on the charges lodged against him, seems to
have been more akin to personnal revenge than as a
corrective action.
The decision of the Dictator may have to stand for now;
but after the Dictator's allotted term of service, I for one
would support an appeal for the restoration of
Cincinnatus, at the least, to citizenship in NovaRoma.

Which Tribe ?
The Dictator has assigned Mediatlantia (PA portion)
to Tribe XII and Tribe XXXI. Which is correct?
If both Tribes are to be assigned, which Tribe does
Legion XXIV MA, Eastern PA, owe allegiance to?

Some of us may not be happy with the latest happenings
in NovaRoma; but at least, things do seem to be getting
sorted out. . . I Hope.


As always I remain;

Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Rei Pubicae
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic


Gallio / George


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Subject:	Acceptance
From:	pallasathene@--------
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:34:34 -0400 (EDT)

> Secondly, as legally appointed Dictator of Nova Roma, I hereby appoint the
> following individuals to the Senate, should they consent to so serve (at the
> very least, our higher magistrates should be included in its ranks):

> * Minervina Iucundia Flavia (currently propraetor, America Austrorientalis

Salvete, Quirites!

I am quite flattered and honored by this appointment! I humbly accept and vow to serve Nova Roma to the best of my ability.

Studiose,

Minervina Iucundia Flavia
Post-Pre-propraetrix and....Senatrix

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Subject:	Re: I'm tired of resignations
From:
Date:	Mon, 05 Jul 1999 18:48:59 -0700

From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>

Salvete omnes

This cannot keep like this.

Either one is a Roman or one is not a Roman.

When a person accepts a magistracy and then resigns, it means that the
person finds impossible to keep doing his/her job as a magistrate. That is
acceptable.

When a person resigns citizenship, it means that the person does not feel to
be a Roman anymore. That is not acceptable, for if one does not feel to be a
Roman anymore it means he/she never felt to be a Roman.

I deplore all those who quit citizenship, abandoning our Res Publica during
its most difficult moments.
Please resign magistracy, not citizenship, otherwise I will not even
consider your motives.

Valete omnes

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Aedilis Plebis et Propraetor Lusitaniae

Dear Graecus, Fellow Romans!

I have read this before, that resigning from Nova Roma show that one is not "Roman". We
were Roman before Nova Roma was conceived. Participating in NR is part of our Romanness,
and can enhance it as well as extend our Romanness further. We have had people leave who
have not done so over "hot" issues (though they might have thought their own reasons to be
"hot"). They are probably still carried on the citizens list. The fine, educated lady
who wrote the piece on Stoicism has not been heard from since. She was not heard from
much even at that time. She was a Roman who did not want to play "organization". We must
keep a perspective. As much as what is going on might be gut wrenching, it does not
define one's being. Peoplewithout depth have not stayed long around Nova Roma, and
probably not gone deeply into Roma. Neither is a field for shallow people.

It is always good to consider the motives, as well as the reasons, that people take
drastic measures. And resigning from something that one has put a great deal of love and
toil into is a drastic measure. Those around them can learn about their
environment, and perhaps how to adapt it, or adapt to it. Learning during the course of
life is how one survives and grows.

Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius
Propraetor of California Provincia
Pontiff

Subject:	Re: Vestial?
From:	K--------e Ariadne <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200028091056078198169061186140081090177098100046209130" >k--------eariadne@--------</a>
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:13:30 -0700 (PDT)

--- Don and Crys Meaker &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a> wrote:
> On 5 Jul 99, at 12:36, Kyrene Ariadne wrote:
> > I'd like to apply as well. What are the qualifications?
> If you would pardon my interference, aren't you the one who seems
> so very qualified to possibly be a vestial?

LOL Yes indeedy :)

> I am not saying I would not like others to join me in my particular
> Temple, but we NEED a vestial (and how) and I always thought you
> would be excellent in the position (no pun intended <G>).

ROFL!! :) :)

You can't be both? Or would that be too much?

Do send me more info...




-Kyrene




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Subject:	All these flippin resignations
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a>
Date:	Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:45:45 -0500

On 6 Jul 99, at 10:00, danat wrote:

>
> Unfortunately I agree with Pythia. I live in a democratic macronation and
> I have no intention of obeying a dictatorial micronation.This nation has
> been subverted from what I have read on this list by several people who
> don't even believe in the Religio. It's Constantine all over again. Please
> accept this as a renouncing of my citizenship.
>
> Marcus Arcadius Pius

I don't know if you know Pythia or not, but the way I understood it
when she told me why she did it, it had nothing to do with there
being a dictator. I was under the impression she had a problem
with WHO the dictator WAS.

I never thought this was 100% a democratic micronation. I was a
bit nervous when I heard that Germanicus had been made Dictator,
but he has done more in the last day than the old Senate had done
in 6 months! Now, I don't know if you know ME or not, but if you
do you know that I am not in the habit of complimenting
Germanicus for anything. We have had, shall we say, a rocky
relationship <G>.

The Religio? sigh You don't have to believe in the Religio to be a
member of this nation. I still don't know if that is right or wrong, but
I think it was the neglect OF the Religio BY those who allegedly
believed in the gods. Go figger.

Renounce away. I think we just might be getting somewhere and
I'm not movin (then I promised myself LONG ago that they'd have to
THROW me out ... or I'd make them wish they could <G> ... and
ask just about anybody, I can make people turn the loveliest
shades of Imperial Purple <G>).

Amethystia Iunia Crystallina

Subject:	Re: Oath??
From:
Date:	Mon, 05 Jul 1999 19:54:28 -0700

Salve Crystalina Sacerdota Iunonis.

I can't give a bedrock answer to your question. I do not remember any of the Pontiff or flamen
oath taking. The Oath we have is crafted to magistrates, and religious positions have been
considered to "not quite" be magistrates. If you wanted to do some pretty poem talking to Iuno
I know I'd like to read it. Uh, yeah, I'd consider it official too. The Oath wouldn't nix
anything and it would cover just about every nit-pickers base too.

C. Aelius Ericius
Pontiff
Paterfamilias of gens Aelia
(Patron deities of gens Aelia being Iove Pater, Iuno Regina, Menerva forti deae,
Neptunus Magister Maris, Diana Venatrix, Mercurius Fortunatus)



> From: "Don and Crys Meaker" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a>
>
> Salvete,
>
> Do I have to make and take an oath to the Priesthood? If I do I will
> take and post it as soon as I can!
>
> Crystallina
> Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina
>
> "As for the
> rest, it is my opinion that Cincinnatus must be restored!"
>
> Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
> Virgil
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Subject:	Re: Venator Resurgans!
From:	Steven Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
Date:	Mon, 05 Jul 1999 22:21:38 -0700

Ave Marco Decio:

I take it this means my post made it to the list... I didn't get an echo to
my account.
>
<-------- size=-1 color="#008000">> From: Marco Guasti <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230212192112185190015225190036129" >--------co@--------</a>
>
> Salve Venator,
> Could you please inform me what are the pro Coqus et Proqueror sodalicia,
>
Venii: The Sodalis pro Coquus et Coqueror is a society within Nova Roma for
those who love good food, good drink, good conversation and the study,
preparation and enjoyment thereof. The Sodalis was confirmed by the Senate
in February. I haven't done much lately due to intermitant computer and job
problems, plus other concerns.
>
> and if I don't ask too much, where is the Theodish Heartland.
>
Venii: This refers to my trip as the invited guest of the Winlandish Rice of
Theodish Geliefa (American Kingdom of Tribal Belief). These good people are
studiously re-creating the beliefs, religion and culture of the pre
Christian Anglo-Saxons and related Germanic Tribes. Their name for
themselves (Theodish) comes from the idea that our ancestors did not have
formal names for thir religions. When asked, it is supposed, one of them
would answer "My Faith, my belief, my people's belief, my tribes faith..."
I was there (Watertown, New York, U.S.A.) for Litha, Midsumersmaessdaeg or
Midsummerday celebration, their equivalent to the Summer Solstice. I was
very impressed with their dedication to the Gods and each other. The
Theodish religion is now over 30 years old, so they must be doing something
right. They are a bit different than most of the other Germanic and Nordic
groups in North America as their social structure does include a Sacral
Kingship.

>
> Thanks
> Marco Decio Golia
>
> Italian and Romanian writing from Provincia Dacia Romania
> of roman italian citzenship since birth in Pistoia (Tuscany)
> of roman religion since the age of 16
> of roman romanian citzenship since last year
> for the moment just on the e-mail list of Nova Roma because of the
> constitutional crisis, hopefully a future citzen.
>
I am always glad to be of service.

In Amicus et Fidelis - Venator

American with many different European ancestors.