Subject:	Re: Resignation
From:	"danat" danat@--------
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:00:20 +0930

Unfortunately I agree with Pythia. I live in a democratic macronation and I
have no intention of obeying a dictatorial micronation.This nation has been
subverted from what I have read on this list by several people who don't
even believe in the Religio. It's Constantine all over again. Please accept
this as a renouncing of my citizenship.

Marcus Arcadius Pius

----- Original Message -----
From: Pythia <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200176234108158116015132190036129" >kingan@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 2:08 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Resignation


> From: Pythia <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200176234108158116015132190036129" >kingan@--------</a>
>
> I regrettably inform those I have grown close to in Nova Roma that I am
> resigning my membership immediately.
>
> Pythia
>
>
>

Subject:	Re: Venator Resurgans!
From:	Marco Guasti <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230212192112185190015225190036129" >--------co@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 06 Jul 1999 05:11:59 +0300

Salve Venator,
Could you please inform me what are the pro Coqus et
Proqueror sodalicia, and if I don' ask too much, where is the Theodish
Heartland.

Thanks
Marco Decio Golia

Italian and Romanian writing from Provincia Dacia Romania
of roman italian citzenship since birth in Pistoia (Tuscany)
of roman religion since the age of 16
of roman romanian citzenship since last year
for the moment just on the e-mail list of Nova Roma because of the
constitutional crisis, hopefully a future citzen.

Subject:	Ludi Romani pro Concordia et Dictator Germanicus (Posted in the Forum)
From:
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 05:29:31 EDT

To all citizens
The Games shall be held at Noon PDT 2 CDT 3 EDT at the Arena:
<a href="http://venus.beseen.com/chat/rooms/d/439123" target="_top" >http://venus.beseen.com/chat/rooms/d/439123</a>
The opponents will be Silo the Bruttian, 12 fights 5 wins
vrs Piso the Umbrian 8 fights 7 wins.
It should be a good fight. Hopefully the Dictator will attended.

Subject:	Open Letter to Censores, Dictator, and Cives
From:	Patrick Dunn saevvs@--------
Date:	Tue, 06 Jul 1999 05:35:36 PDT

Look upon the rolls of your nation's founders. My name is there, a noble
gens. I eagerly watched Nova Roma grow, and found joy in it.

But now I feel no more joy in being a Nova Roman. It is my duty to ask the
gods' blessings on Nova Roma: how can I, when I am no longer sure that Nova
Roma deserves those blessings? The words "nationi novae romae universae"
stick in my throat.

I renounce my citizenship to Nova Roma, effective at noon today Chicago
time. I have set my house in order, and the gens Gladia still endures.

I intended a long letter, but can think of little more to say. I no longer
feel joy in being a citizen of Nova Roma, and withdraw to pursue other
goals.

Odi et amo, quare id faciem, fortasse requiris.
Nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior.

--M. Gladius Saevus

Subject:	Pennsylvania Tribes (was Re: [novaroma] Disenfranchisemnet of Cincinnatus and Tribe XII or XXXI ?)
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:49:21 -0400

Salve,

> F-------- "LegionXXIV" <a h--------"/post/nova--------?p--------ctID=034056178009193116062046186246114012071048139" >legionxxiv@--------</a>
>
> The Dictator has assigned Mediatlantia (PA portion)
> to Tribe XII and Tribe XXXI. Which is correct?
> If both Tribes are to be assigned, which Tribe does
> Legion XXIV MA, Eastern PA, owe allegiance to?

Since there were so many cives located in Pennsylvania, it wouldn't have
been fair to lump them all together in a single tribe (remember, more people
per tribe = less influence per vote). Cives in Pennsylvania will be divided
between the two. (I'm sorry that I don't know which tribe you will
specifically be in, as I'm at work and don't have access to all my files at
the moment.)

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator

Subject:	Re: I'm tired of resignations
From:	Tinnekke Bebout tinnekke@--------
Date:	Tue, 06 Jul 1999 16:33:12 GMT

Avete Omnes


>From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
>
>Salvete omnes
>
>This cannot keep like this.
>
>Either one is a Roman or one is not a Roman.
>
>When a person accepts a magistracy and then resigns, it means that the
>preson finds impossible to keep doing his/her job as a magistrate. That is
>acceptable.
>
>When a person resigns citizenship, it means that the person does not feel
>to
>be a Roman anymore. That is not acceptable, for if one does not feel to be
>a
>Roman anymore it means he/she never felt to be a Roman.
>
>I deplore all those who quit citizenship, abandoning our Res Publica during
>its most difficult moments.
>Please resign magistracy, not citizenship, otherwise I will not even
>consider your motives.
I add my voice to that of the honorable Gryllus. This is not the time to be
abandoning the Republic. If you do not choose to continue in a magistracy,
fine and well, but to disavow one's citizenship - espeically at a time like
this? I don't have words to describe how these actions strike me. I will
remain part of the Republic and be here as support while this trying time is
worked through and with the Blessings of Vesta brought to a harmonious
solution.

Valete

Lucina Iunia Cypria

Subject:	Re: I'm tired of resignations
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:38:50 +0100

Salve

Thank you for the support.. Not to me, but to NR.

Vale

Antonius Gryllus Graecus

-----Original Message-----
From: Tinnekke Bebout <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] I'm tired of resignations


>From: Tinnekke Bebout <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a>
>
>Avete Omnes
>
>
>I add my voice to that of the honorable Gryllus. This is not the time to be
>abandoning the Republic. If you do not choose to continue in a magistracy,
>fine and well, but to disavow one's citizenship - espeically at a time like
>this? I don't have words to describe how these actions strike me. I will
>remain part of the Republic and be here as support while this trying time
is
>worked through and with the Blessings of Vesta brought to a harmonious
>solution.
>
>Valete
>
>Lucina Iunia Cypria
>
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Subject:	Re: Open Letter to Censores, Dictator, and Cives
From:	Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@--------
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:34:31 -0700 (PDT)

--- Patrick Dunn <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166192084017233015199190036129" >saevvs@--------</a> wrote:
> I renounce my citizenship to Nova Roma, effective at noon today Chicago
> time. I have set my house in order, and the gens Gladia still endures.

As a member of your gens, I will miss you... I just joined this organization
and I'm woefully confused as to what is going on, but I understand why people
feel the way that they do.




Vale et khairete,

Andrea Gladia Kyrinia


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Subject:	Ludi Romani: room change
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:52:58 +0100

Salvete omnes

Room change!!!!!


The Games shall be helt at:
<a href="http://venus.beseen.com/chat/rooms/u/440638/Login.html" target="_top" >http://venus.beseen.com/chat/rooms/u/440638/Login.html</a>

The hour is the same:
Noon PDT 2 CDT 3 EDT

Valete

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Aedilis Plebis

Subject:	Re: Ludi Romani pro Concordia et Dictator Germanicus (Posted in th...
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:51:18 EDT

In --------ss--------d-------- 7/6/1999 2:29:56 AM P--------ic D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
writes:

To all citizens
The Games shall be held at Noon PDT 2 CDT 3 EDT at the Arena:
<a href="http://venus.beseen.com/chat/rooms/u/440638/Login.html" target="_top" >http://venus.beseen.com/chat/rooms/u/440638/Login.html</a>
Please make a note of it.

Subject:	Re: I'm tired of resignations
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:48:08 EDT

In a m--------g--------t--------/5/99 8:48:58 PM EST, <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< I deplore all those who quit citizenship, abandoning our Res Publica during
its most difficult moments.
Please resign magistracy, not citizenship, otherwise I will not even
consider your motives.
>>

But Graecus, everyone must make their own decisions based upon their own
beliefs and ideas. If you consider them to be un-Roman, never-Roman, or
whatever, I'm sure they don't care. That's why they're all leaving in the
first place because NR has become in their minds a finger-pointing,
ego-mania, "I hold the ropes", oligarchy. THIS IS NOT ROMAN! Be true to
your heart...this is Roman.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: I'm tired of resignations
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:36:15 EDT

In a me--------e dated 7/5/99 2:07:28 PM EST, <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> write--------r>
<< Before Nova Roma, that is...which everyone insists is a
nation, but which gets treated more like a club; maybe if we did like
every other nation on the earth and had people sworn in as Citizens at
a ceremony of some kind, they would begin to appreciate the gravity of
the decision. >>

And there holds the problem. For NR has been treated as a "club" more so
than a nation for far too long. And one can quit a club regardless of
whatever you call it.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Sodalita
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:38:38 EDT

I--------message dated 7/5/99 4:37:05 PM EST, <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> writes:

<< Also, as the legally appointed Dictator of Nova Roma, I would like to take
this opportunity to declare the Sodalitas Pro Infantia (currently under the
direction of Amethystia Iunia Crystallina) as an officially sponsored
Sodalicum. It is a valuable resource, and deserves the patronage of the
State. >>

Finally...a good move!

--Dexippus

Subject:	Speech given at today's Ludi Romani
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:09:45 -0400

Salvete, omnes!

I thought everyone would want to see the speech I gave at the introduction
of today's Ludi Romani, held today under the auspices of Antonius Gryllus
Graecus, in honor of Apollo and Concordia:

"As we honor the Goddess Concordia this day, I cannot help but be swept up
in the radiance of Her presence. Her spirit must truly move among us, among
all the Citizens of Nova Roma, if we are to overcome those troubles which
have recently befallen our fair Republic. And it is in the spirit of
Concordia that I wish to speak on the subject of the former Consul,
Cincinnatus.

"While I stand by my opinion of Cincinnatus as a politician, I am not deaf
to the cries of his supporters and friends, many of whom have contacted me
on his behalf. In the spirit of compromise and cooperation embodied by the
great Goddess Concordia, I hereby decree that Cincinnatus may indeed once
again be enlisted as a Citizen of our fair Republic, and I shall personally
reinstall him in his sacred office of Flamen Martiales, on the sole proviso
that he neither seek nor serve in political office, including the Senate,
until 2,754 AUC (March of 2001), roughly a year and a half from now.

"It is my sincere hope that he shall accept my offer in the spirit of
concord and compromise in which it is made, and offer him my word that no
ill-will shall be shown by myself to him; let there be a clean slate between
us."

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator

Subject:	Speech made at Ludi Romani
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:58:35 -0400

Salvete omnes!

(Apologies if this appears on the list twice; I thought I had sent it
earlier, but it never seemed to show up.)

I made the following speech at the opening of the Ludi Romani today, held by
Antonius Gryllus Graecus in honor of Apollo and Concordia. I thought it
important that everyone have a chance to read it:

"Salvete! As we honor the Goddess Concordia this day, I cannot help but be
swept up in the radiance of Her presence. Her spirit must truly move among
us, among all the Citizens of Nova Roma, if we are to overcome those
troubles which have recently befallen our fair Republic. And it is in the
spirit of Concordia that I wish to speak on the subject of the former
Consul, Cincinnatus.

"While I stand by my opinion of Cincinnatus as a politician, I am not deaf
to the cries of his supporters and friends, many of whom have contacted me
on his behalf. In the spirit of compromise and cooperation embodied by the
great Goddess Concordia, I hereby decree that Cincinnatus may indeed once
again be enlisted as a Citizen of our fair Republic, and I shall personally
reinstall him in his sacred office of Flamen Martiales, on the sole proviso
that he neither seek nor serve in political office, including the Senate,
until 2,754 AUC (March of 2001), roughly a year and a half from now.

"It is my sincere hope that he shall accept my offer in the spirit of
concord and compromise in which it is made, and offer him my word that no
ill-will shall be shown by myself to him; let there be a clean slate between
us."

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator

Subject:	Oath
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Tue, 06 Jul 1999 17:48:45 -0700

I, Caius Aelius Ericius do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to
act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Caius Aelius Ericius swear to do honor to the Gods and
Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
private life.

I, Caius Aelius Ericius further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of
the office of Senator of Nova Roma to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of
the Roman people and by their
will and favor, do I accept the position of Senator of Nova Roma and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Caius Aelius Ericius

Subject:	Re: I'm tired of resignations & Sodalis
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@--------
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:32:04 -0500

On 6 Jul 99, --------7:48, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:

> That's why they're all leaving in the
> first place because NR has become in their minds a finger-pointing,
> ego-mania, "I hold the ropes", oligarchy. THIS IS NOT ROMAN! Be true to
> your heart...this is Roman.

I agree. But there are some things that are FINALLY being done,
thanks to Germanicus (did *I* say that <G>). My Sodalis found it's
way out of the red tape, I finally got my Priesthood (I wasn't really
even prepared, as I fully expected to be blown off at least a month,
but I managed to get most of it together --- I'll email when I have a
clue what's going on). The Senate has a larger body, and it has
some variety to it for a change!

GODS!! Who'd a thunk I'D be doin all THIS?? <G>

Maybe if folks would sit on their hands a couple of weeks and then
decided whether or not they want out ....... I was thinking of
resigning my citizenship too, ESPECIALLY when I found out about
the dictator thing. But I held myself in check and calmed down.
So far so good ... HECK I've already mentioned that Germanicus
has done more in the last couple of days than the old Senate
managed to do in the last 6 months or better!!!!!!!

Crys (all this Pro-Germanicus stuff is givin me a headache <G>)

Amethystia Iunia Crystallina -- Iunonis Templique Sacerdotes

Subject:	Oath of Office
From:	pallasathene@--------
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:30:35 -0400 (EDT)

I, Minervina Iucundia Flavia, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to
act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Minervina Iucundia Flavia, swear to do honor to the Gods and
Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
private life.

I, Minervina Iucundia Flavia, further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of
the office of Senator of Nova Roma to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of
the Roman people and by their
will and favor, do I accept the position of Senator of Nova Roma and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.




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Subject:	Roman Army Sandles
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Tue, 06 Jul 1999 18:34:39 -0700

Does anybody have any experience with this place?

<a href="http://www.plpower.com/~osprey/romansandals/page7.html" target="_top" >http://www.plpower.com/~osprey/romansandals/page7.html</a>

I've queried them about this and that, and they sound okay. They are willing to make
custom caligae for my huge feet. There is a 30 day return policy. All this sounds good.
I'd like to see the work. Short of that, I'd like to hear from someone who knows about
Osprey Trading Company and their work.

Just thought I'd ask.

Subject:	Re: Roman Army Sandles
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:45:19 -0400 (EDT)

Roman Army Sandals;

The best source of information would hopefully be IXth Legio Hispana or
the XXth Legio. The XXIVth Legio may also have a handle on that
information. If you wish I will contact Matthew Amt (XXth Legio) and
the Commander of the XXIVth Legio, if you will contact the IXth.

I would like to know as well.

Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Roman Army Sandles
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Tue, 06 Jul 1999 19:12:06 -0700

Thank you, Audens. I forget who it was that posted this link to the list originally, nor
am I sure why this one looked good to me in the first place. One thing is that the
website gave me more to go on than the caligae makers that I have seen mentioned on list
before. A website, and a photo of the product is more than a name, an address and a price
tag. But, as is evident, I would like that comment from someone who has seen the
product. Like any of the legions you have mentioned. LOL. Yes! Of course I'm ready for
another round of procrastination.

Vale.
Ericius

Subject:	Re: Roman Army Sandles
From:	"Publius Phillipus Varrus" legate@--------
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:19:46 -0400

I've got a fellow who is a SCA leather worker ready to have a crack at a
pair of caligae from patterns supplied to me by Legio XX at a very
reasonable price ( pretty much cost ). I'll post the results of the
experiment when I have them...

Publius Phillipus Varrus

----- Original Message -----
From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Roman Army Sandles


> From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
>
> Thank you, Audens. I forget who it was that posted this link to the list
originally, nor
> am I sure why this one looked good to me in the first place. One thing is
that the
> website gave me more to go on than the caligae makers that I have seen
mentioned on list
> before. A website, and a photo of the product is more than a name, an
address and a price
> tag. But, as is evident, I would like that comment from someone who has
seen the
> product. Like any of the legions you have mentioned. LOL. Yes! Of
course I'm ready for
> another round of procrastination.

Subject:	Re: Senate Appointments
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:25:48 -0500 (CDT)

Salve,

In brief, I accept this appointment as a Senator of
Nova Roma and wish to thank Flavius Vedius Germanicus for his
endorsement.

Gaius Drusus Domitianus

Subject:	Re: Oath of Office
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:36:23 -0500 (CDT)

I, Gaius Drusus Domitianus, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold
the honor of Nova Roma, and to always act in the best interests of the
people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I Gaius Drusus Domitianus, swear to
do honor to the Gods and Godessess of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I Gaius Drusus Domitianus, further swear to fulfill the obligations
and responsibilities of the office of Senator of Nova Roma to the best
of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Godesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Senator of Nova Roma and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


Vale,

Gaius Drusus Domitianus

Subject:	[Fwd: statement from priesthood serving military Pagans]
From:	william wheeler wuffa@--------
Date:	Tue, 06 Jul 1999 20:44:29 +0100

Meducia wrote:

> Official Release from
> The Priestess Coordinator for the Isis Invicta Military Mission
> Serving within US and NATO Armed Forces
> Temple of Isis, California USA
>
> July 4, 1999
>
> We are saddened and heartbroken over the recent attacks against Pagan and
> Wiccan services held on United States military installations. It is our hope
> that our American government can pull through this rash of defamation and
> religious discrimination.
>
> Representative Bob Barr and Senator Strom Thurmond have asked the Department of
> Defense to halt all religious services to members of the Pagan/Wiccan faith.
> This affects our organization personally as we support members of our clergy
> who perform services for the benefit of U.S. Army soldiers.
>
> This is not just a religious issue though. It is also an issue of assembly.
> The First Amendment of the Constitution states that Congress shall make no law
> respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
> thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of
> the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress
> of grievances.
>
> It's not just a Pagan-Wiccan issue either. In a recent letter, Sen.Thurmond
> tells the Pentagon that if they don't act to remove Wicca and Shamanism and
> "satanic rituals" that "he is prepared to push legislation that will restrict
> religious accommodation by the military." He also goes on to say that pagan
> rituals "threaten the social fabric of the military". "In the rush to
> accommodate every possible fringe group, the convictions of God-fearing
> Americans who have sustained and defended our nation throughout history are
> being trampled upon." In his actions against Pagans, he may hinder the rights
> of everyone.
>
> As we wait horrified for the submittal of the legislation, we question what it
> will say. Will it take away our right to worship our beloved Goddess, or will
> it limit how we perform our worship celebrations? Will our fellowships be
> broken, forcing us to gather in secret hiding places? Will they ban Santeria
> next or will they possibly go after the Hindus? What about the practices of
> Christian snake-handlers or the spirit-dealing Pentecostals? Will Catholics
> and Jews still be allowed to light candles at prayer?
>
> We are reminded of so many sad chapters in religious history. Religious
> conquest is nothing new. Every ancient temple shows from fire, looting or
> bloodshed. Modern temples are suffering as well today. Look at the news over
> the last five years and you will see it here on our own American soil. We
> don't want these crimes of religious hatred to happen again; not to Christians,
> not to Muslims, not to Jews and not to us. Prevention starts with simple
> respect for others and their beliefs.
>
> But how can respect start in the homes and hearts of Americans when the
> government cannot set the example of tolerance and understanding? How can
> people be expected to obey anti-discrimination laws when their government is
> the biggest offender?
>
> We have been so grateful for the support that has been given to us from the
> various chaplain offices worldwide. They have permitted us to assemble in
> military facilities, give support to Pagan patients in military hospitals and
> reach out to Pagans in military confinement facilities. We admire their
> courage to uphold the First Amendment for a religion not their own. This is
> the example that should be set.
>
> We ask everyone to protest these acts of hate and to petition our government
> officials to maintain the current laws. The American people and the military
> that serves them should not be subject to the personal whims of government
> officials. That is tyranny.
>
> In service to our country, our soldiers, their families and our veterans,
>
> Rev. Rona J. Coomer-Russell
> Retired disabled veteran of the U.S. Army
> Former Designated Faith Group Leader in the U.S. Army
> ***********************************************
>
> The Isis Invicta Military Mission was founded by the Rev. Ian MacWatt as a
> priest of The Temple of Isis in Geyserville California. The Mission's main
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Subject:	Re: Roman Army Sandals
From:	Marius Fimbria legion6@--------
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:45:11 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete omnes!

I got my caligae from Uilliam an Tarbh, mka Bill Stephenson, of
Riverside, Calif. They were the first pair he'd ever made, from a
pattern I found in one of the Osprey Men-at-Arms series (I'm pretty
sure it was 'The Roman Army from Caesar to Trajan'...[checks]...yup,
page 13). They looked so impressive that, before he'd finished mine,
he'd garnered orders for six more pairs...and now there is a photo of
*MY* Caligae in his 'catalogue' (more of a photo album-cum-portfolio
that he takes with him to shows and events).

The boots have held up extremely well. I have been running around in
them for six years, on terrain ranging from stony desert to Texas
autumn mud-bog, and it was only after five that I began to seriously
think about having them re-soled. Bill has since retired his day job
to become a full-time leatherworker, and the caligae are among his most
popular products. He can make them with either the traditional leather
soles and hobnails, or (if your gal just wants a pair to wear around
the office) with a more modern--and comfortable!--rubber sole.

His contact info:
William Stephenson Leather Crafts
2881 Molly Street
Riverside, CA 92506-4316
(909) 784-5202
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=020176235078082031072218175036129208" >Uilli--------...</--------;

Yours under the Eagles,

--- Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends

Subject:	Caligae Help from Legion XXIV
From:	"George Metz" gwmetz@--------
Date:	Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:53:54 -0400

VICESIMA - QUARTA
LEGIO XXIV - MEDIA - ATLANTIA

* PROVINCIA PENNSYLVANIA *
* MEDIA - ATLANTICA * AMERICIA *

Defending the Frontiers of Ancient Rome
in the Mid - Atlantic Province
of North America


July 6, 1999
Year of Rome 2752

Ave et Salutatio... Ravenna

Hello and Greetings from Gallio Velius Marsallas,
Praefectus, Legio XXIV-Media-Atlantica;
Tribune Militaris, NovaRoma Gens Velia
aka George W. Metz
13 Post Run Newtown Square, PA 19073-3014
<a h--------"/post/nova--------?p--------ctID=034056178009193116001195151189114012071048139" >legionXXIV@--------</a> 610-363-4982
<a href="http://www.legionXXIV.org" target="_top" >http://www.legionXXIV.org</a>


I make my own caligae. They are not difficult to make,
but can be tedious.

Here is the data from my webpage, based on Legio XX's
data by Matthew Amt.

CALIGAE These heavy sandals are the classic Roman army boot. Numerous
examples have been found at first-century sites. Patterns and materials
are available, and construction is fairly simple. The upper is cut from a
single piece of 4 to 6-ounce leather, well-oiled or waxed to prevent decay.
Paste a copy of your patterns to the backside of the leather for the uppers
and then cut out the pattern with a sharp knife, razor blade and/or
scissors. The glued paper pattern can be later soaked off in warm water.
The sole is 1/2" to 3/4" thick and is made of several thick layers, with the
upper sandwiched between the top two. The layers are held together with
hobnails: lay them on an anvil or flat piece of steel, and drive the nails
into the sole so that the points go through the innermost layer and bend
over as they hit the steel. Cover the clenched points with an insole of
thin leather, securing it in place with a few stitches. Complete the shoe by
sewing up the heel seam with a butted or overlapped seam. The domed iron
hobnails should be about 1/4" to 1/2" in diameter. The heads need not be
perfect hemispheres --irregular, flatter, or more conical shapes are
acceptable. World War I or II-style hobnails will work, or "Antique Nails"
from some hardware stores. Upholstery tacks are not durable enough.
Proper hobnails are available from the Commander. Before cutting good
leather, make a working mock-up out of heavy cloth. DO NOT MAKE THE SOLES
TOO WIDE - trace your foot and cut the soles narrower by 1/4" on each side.
Make the tabs extra long and the slits shorter than necessary, and adjust
them later.

LEGION XXIV HAS HOBNAILS !

As a result of successful campaigns and victories over the enemies of Rome;
the Legion XXIV Quartermaster has secured a supply of Hobnails aka Moore
#196 Decorative Nails. These durable nails (not furniture tacks) are
dispensed in boxes of 144, enough to outfit one pair of caligae; for
$9.00 per box, postpaid. Send payment to George Metz - 13 Post
un - Newtown Squa--------PA - 19073-3014. <a h--------"/post/nova--------?p--------ctID=034056178009193116062046186246114012071048139" >legionxxiv@--------</a>
610-353-4982

Hope this helps. I have no experience or knowledge of the caligae
made by others, except by Matt Amt. Matt or myself can supply
you with patterns, if you wish.

As always I remain;


Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Rei Pubicae
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic


Gallio / George


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Subject:	Provinciae in Europa
From:	hadji hadji@--------
Date:	Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:13:45 +0200

Salvete Romani,

I would like to reply to the new map of european provinces on the NR web
site.
1. I can not see there some important ancient Roman provinces which
more or less exactely have their modern equvalents. I mean NORICUM,
RAETIA, both MOESIAE, MACEDONIA and ILLYRICUM. Probably far away from
Europe it seems to be the same, but I think we may respect the real
historical bourders of the provinces. Simply, because Swiss is not
Pannonia, perdominant part of Austria is not Pannonia too, FYRM is not
Thrace, Albanians would always prefer to be called Illyrians than
Dalmatians (modern meaning so close to Croatians), Slovenians are not
Italians, Russians are not asians, Czech lands were never in Panonias
too, but they have the nice ancient name of Boiohaeum (Bohemia), etc
etc.
2. I think it is not correct to establish provinces Transgermania and
Transdacia as Polish, Whiterussians and balthic people (Lithuania,
Latvia and Estonia) are not German (is it one more new attept to
germanize them - the last one was 55 years ago?) and even in the ancient
times these lands were not inhabited by Germans. They have their own
ancient names, so why not to use them?
The same is valid with the Ukrainians in "Transdacia". So, Transdacia
could be modern Moldova, but Ukraine??? I wonder if potencial ukrainians
would agree to be part of Dacian (Roumanian) province.
3. If Russia will be Asia Centralis, what a name will be suitable for
real Central Asian republics as (from Kazachstan, Uzbekistane,
Kirgizstan etc.). I am sure that Sarmatia was more suitable name for
Russia and Scythia for Ukraine.

Meanwhile, I wonder if someone have consulted with NR citizens from
these lands about the name of the provinces.

Valete

Alex. Iul.Caes.Probus Macedonicus

P.S. I would like to announce that I have established a list for east
european NR citizens (and not only) and wellcome everyone who is
interested to join in.The list is named VizantiaNR and is possibly to
find it through onelist-search. Communicating language is free, so you
can write in whatever language you want (it is another question if
somebody would be able to reply, of course) and east-european languages
are especially encouraged.
And one more kindly request: as personal offensives became a common
practise on NR list I would be very thankful for replies with such a
content to be -------- me per--------lly on <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=180166080058082135090082190036" >hadji@--------</a>.
Thank you, my dear and polite NRs!