Forum Romanum


Subject:	Re: Lecture
From:	"LegionXXIV" legionxxiv@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 00:05:12 -0400

Audens, my lecture was not directed to you alone,
but to many citizens in NovaRoma in general.

Welcome back

Gallio / George


Subject:	Re: My Post
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 00:34:49 EDT

In a message dated 7/7/1999 8:37:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------es:

<< What would you have me do? You are probably correct in your assumption
that I am stubborn, bull-headed and intractable. I prefer to refer to
it as honor. I took something away from others, it is only right that I
should lose something as well. That is a philosophy that I have which
goes along with the other distubing aspects of my nature. If there is
anything that I may do specifically for you as one in my positon may
carry out, I would be very pleased to do so..<<

Salve Marcus Minucius Audens:
I think that is one thing that we all admire about you here in Rome, your
honor and your dignatis. Don't change. Make us be more like you!
Vale!
Q. Fabius


Subject:	Re: My Post
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 00:41:27 -0400 (EDT)

Q.Fabius Maximus;

What a very nice comment to make. Hmmmm al over asudden there seems to
be a lot of pollen in the air here inside the house. Thank you for your
thoughtful comment.

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Res Publica
From:	"Rusticus" moman@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 01:12:07 -0400

----- Original Message -----
From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>; <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=061075178237127219036038109140053040239230044198209130152" >sugarpierabbit@u...</a>
Cc: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:15 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Res Publica

> From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>
> Salve, Germanicus, et salvete, Quirites.
>
> Germanicus, I remain opposed to your expulsion of Lucius Equitius
> Cincinnatus, and I remain committed to his FULL restoration.

Macte, puer, sic itur ad astra... That was a very stirring
'Pro Cincinnato' oration, Marce Gangali... Well done!

I, too, have always held an admiration for the beleaguered
but dutiful Consul, Lucius Cincinnatus. Yes, I am no longer
a Nova Roman citizen, I know, and I can barely keep pace
with changes that occur even over a relatively sedate interval.
However, in such a time of disastrous upheavals and overthrows
within the state, I cannot choose but to mingle the much-faded
strength of my voice with that of Gangalius', whose sentiment
should soon be recited upon the lips of all: Let Lucius Cincinnatus
be restored!

I thought just days ago that all was finished here. Now it
gladdens me to see Nova Roma in a calmer state, one more
permissive of reason and deliberation. But you ought to ask,
however: to whom are you indebted for the return of sanity?
Is it to a reckless wielder of unconstitutional measures, or to
yourselves and the resilience native to Roman hearts and minds?
And who was it that stopped the breach through which so many
long-time citizens have poured out? Did Germanicus, or did
you, the citizens, by your refusing to be swept along amid the
rout? It is highly doubtful that Germanicus' assumption of
power did anything but hasten to the gates those that had
begun to pack; still more doubtful that your deliverance is,
or will ever be, owing to Germanicus, who seems only to
have lent tinder to the enflamed panic of the Roman citizenry,
by his abrupt seizure of power, by his decision to expel the
legitimate Consul, Cincinnatus, unattainted and untried. Had
I still been a citizen, it would have shaken me to see how
Germanicus would permit such a true Roman to fall into
the out-going tide of citizenry, like a leaf into a rushing brook!
Yet it grieves me more to think what a fine company might
have seen him on his way: Pythia, Saevus, Claudia; each
irreplaceable... and each gone since the rightful government
was dissolved.

But now it appears that poor Lucius is not to be an expatriate
but is rather to remain too much a patriot. Therefore, show
him that 'pius' is still a laudable word in the Roman lexicon.
Demand that Cincinnatus be returned to his own, that his
dignity may be restored!

My regards and prayers that this be taken kindly,

Rusticus


Subject:	Some Thoughts.
From:	Steven Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:23:03 -0700

Avete Omnes, Salus et Fortuna;

These words are my first impressions on a number of recent topics.

Primus: Cincinatus - His friends have been most eloquent and vehement in
stating their views. He has been most moderate in his postings. I should
like to counsel a short moratorium on public postings about Lucius Equitius
and his status in Nova Roma, a week maybe? Let private communication
continue between he and the Dictator, as I feel they might be doing. The
two principals must come to terms, nothing we say can really influence the
outcome, save, perhaps, entrench the "Cabal" idea. I do like Cincinatus
(anyone with chainmail making info is OK in my book). Let it rest for the
time being.

Secondus: Religio - I am a child of my Holy Ones. They are part and parcel
of my being. Each day I acknowledge them and try to live a worthy life as I
think would make my Unseen Parents take pride in me. The Roman Religion is
more formal than mine own Asatru, I hail the Sun and Wind, Sky and Earth
each morning, I pour a libation to the honor of the Mighty Ones of the
North, the Spirits, and the Ancestors each day. I keep the main Holy Days
with a little more formality, and give formal sacrifice to UllR of the Bow
at the start of each hunting season. I believe that the Olympians exist,
that they are cousins to mine own Holy Ones, within the broader
Indo-European family of deities. (In subtext: I do believe that the God of
the Christians exists. I ask only that they do me the same courtesy.) I am
a Citizen of Nova Roma because, in spite of the historical animus between
our cultural ancestors, I want a re-awakening of the Religio Roman to not
only survive, but THRIVE. The more heathens and pagans, the better. I also
hope that Nova Roma can continue to be the refuge that Christians such as
Lucius Marius Fimbria need. I am proud to call him Comespiritu, for while
our Gods and Religious practices may be different, we share (I think) the
same basic Faith. Grab on to the Religio, with both hands! Read the
available documents! Study the archaeology! Stand Tall! Be proud to have
Romanitas! The Religio must be as air, food and water to the nourishment of
your body. Proclaim your pride in the Olympians!

Tertius: The Dictatorship and politics - (I've been out of the loop, so to
speak, for the past month or so. I have had limited e-capability.) I
believe I understand the mechanism by which this clause of the Constitution
was invoked. Germanicus has addressed issues with which Citizens had
contention. Germanicus is a co-religionist of mine and I believe he has the
same attitude towards Nova Roma that I possess, as evidenced in Secondus.

Quartius: Heat Generation - Folks, we could not fill all the offices last
"election." The same few people out of the 250 or cives have offered ideas
and effort for the Res Publica. Burn out happens, ugly things get said,
people's feelings get hurt, and it isn't recognizable by the man in the
mirror sometimes. I know, I have been the man in the mirror. I had more
people in an SCA chapter than Nova Roma lists as Cives. The politics there
make those here look like kids on a playground. I have been a pagan/heathen
for the better part of 3 decades and have seen "Witch Wars" which make the
NR "List War" look like a high school class president campaign. As in Primus
above, 'Ta Havath' let be...

Quintus: The Future - I am selfish. I want Nova Roma to succeed and grow
as a forum to honor my maternal Ancestors. I shall still offer the balance
of the copies of the Mead manual I designated as a Nova Roma fundraiser (64
copies in my possession, several more with Cassius). Email me privately for
details, and please let me know that you are inquiring as a Cive (I do have
another edition as an Odinic Rite fundraiser).

Nuff said...

If anyone reading this is in northern Illinois and surrounding areas, e-mail
me, I'd like to arrange a get-to-gether later this year (September?). I
have a college classmate who works at Chicago's Field Museum, perhaps we can
get a group rate.

In Amicus et Fidelis - Venator Duospiritae


Subject:	concerning WARNING #2
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:15:36 EDT

In a message dated 7/7/1999 11:28:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a> wr--------:

<< including QFM >>
Salve!
If you are talking about Quintus Fabius Maximus, Paterfamilias Gens Fabii
I haven't attacked anybody on the Nova Roma onelist recently. I ran the
games Monday and spoke to several citizens, but I didn't attack anybody with
words. I noticed and agreed with Venator, that everybody should wait and see
what will happen here at Nova Roma. We should "not waste time with
bickering," to quote our Curule Aedile. The moratorium on personal attacks
on this onelist is acceptable to me.
Vale
Q. Fabius


Subject:	Re: concerning WARNING #2
From:	JusticeCMO@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:32:21 EDT

Salve,

I find it most appealing that the animosity be removed from this list (and
perhaps the hearts of those so engaged). That is a goal I believe we should
strive for at all times, but especially during this time frame. As others
have said, the Religio Romana is an integral part of Nova Roma and we should
all strive to focus our attentions on the Gods and Goddesses (particularly
Apollo ::grin::) at this time.

Or, to paraphrase a motto of another organization I belong to...we should ALL
strive to be "part of the solution, not part of the problem."

Pax
Priscilla Vedia Serena


Subject:	Re: WARNING #2
From:	"Rusticus" moman@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:57:10 -0400

----- Original Message -----
From: w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a>
To: NR list <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 6:35 PM
Subject: [novaroma] WARNING #2

> If it doenst I feel I will have to take the most Roman step of litigation
> to make these actions stop from disrupting the healing process

Personally, I praise the new Pontifex's bold initiative to rid the list of
disruptive communications. And how perceptive of him it is to have
identified and begun the removal of the single most disruptive element
contained within the posts sent to this list: punctuation.

Friends, when will you all stop using typographical delinations of
grammatical thought-units and simply allow the nation to heal? I
mean, for the love of god, man, stop it now!

Rusticus


Subject:	Re: Some Thoughts.
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:01:00 -0500

On 7 Jul 99, at 22:32, Kyrene Ariadne wrote:

> I'd love to see more of the Religio, and learn more about the Roman end of
> religion.... I know it through the Hellenic part, but there are many
> differences that I'm only beginning to learn about... I hope to learn more
> here. I'm apparently being pushed--no, SHOVED--towards Roman religion.
> :> I guess that Apollo likes me there... along with Dionysos/Bacchus,
> Hermes/Mercurius.... ;)

Ummm, BTW, it helps if you have some knowledge of the Religio in
securing a Priesthood. <G>

I am researching my tushie off, but have resorted to meditation that
Iuno may tell me what she wants done.

Amethystia Iunia Crystallina -- Iunonis Templique Sacerdotes


Subject:	Pompous Little Toad
From:	Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 04:51:27 -0700 (PDT)

Salve, Pompous Little Toad!

First of all, persuant to Article III, Section 6, Paragraph 2 of the
Constitution of Nova Roma, I, an Aedilis Curule, veto the "lex" proclaimed
by you, a Quaestor. But of course, your "lex" is illegal in any case.

Secondly, I was quoting someone else's profanity, and that is a matter of
historical record. You deal with it!

Third, I am exercising my right of freedom of speech under the First
Amendment on the Constitution of the United States of America, a document I
hold in far higher esteem than any other ever written. I view my devotion
to that document as the highest virtue, certainly one that is well beyond
your comprehension.

Vale,
Marcus Martianus Gangalius
Aedilis Curule et Vebsitarius Maximus

At 11:35 PM 7/7/99 +0100, william wheeler wrote:
>From: w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a>
>
>Since I have been appointed Pontifex, I feel it is my religious duty to
>compel some of our citizens, given the holidays that we are celebrating
>to
>reflect and ponder the virtues that Nova Roma. The ancient Republic was
>
>modeled on these virtues and our Modern Republic should be modeled on
>these
>same virtues. All of this conflict must cease.
>
>I, based on my authority as a religious officer I want this hostility
>and
>unvirtuous behavior to cease. If it doenst I feel I will have to take
>the
>most Roman step of litigation to make these actions stop from disrupting
>the
>healing process of Nova Roma.
>
>I Declare this LEX
>starting NOON EST JULY the 8th till the games for APOLLO are OVER
>or the 21st of JULY till then there will be PAX!
>all Partys to this Conflict will will STOP posting to the LIST about.
>YOU someone to yell at I will hear you on my phone (503-234-7133)
>or in EMAIL.
>ALSO I am working on it and need to talk to all about as I DO NOT KNOW
>what,how,when,why
>( not that I care) then I will look at it all and say in any count( not
>that we have one yet) what i think BUT FOR NOW PAX
>THATS 2!
>I want this to work out but this unvirtuous behavior will CEASE
>( ie if for the next 2 week you can not something nice send it to me
>BEFORE
>you send it to the list)
>This goes for You too Sulla, QFM ,
>
>thank you all for the LOVE you ahow NR
>now THINK ABOUT APOLLO
>Vale
>
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Subject:	The Temple To Iuno
From:	mater@--------
Date:	Thu, 08 Jul 1999 09:32:53 -0400 (EDT)

Salvete

I created an online Forum on Delphi. It's called "The Temple of Iuno".
We'll be using this as our online Temple of Iuno.

With the message board, you can view discussion folders quickly in the left-hand column and read up to 20 messages at a time. You can even attach files (such as pictures and programs) directly to messages -- just like e-mail. It's fast, easy, and efficient.

As Iunonis Templique Sacerdotes, I control the specific features of the Forum. The other options include real-time Chat, announcements, and custom web pages.

I've chosen to make this Forum public so anyone on Delphi can participate, so feel free to tell your friends.

The best way into my Forum is at the following URL: <a href="http://www.delphi.com/iuno" target="_top" >http://www.delphi.com/iuno</a>

There are thousands of Forums on Delphi. You can use the personalized "My Delphi" feature at <a href="http://my.delphi.com" target="_top" >http://my.delphi.com</a> to keep track of new messages in this Forum and any others you may enjoy.

In order to provide personalized services and access control, you'll need to go through a quick registration if you've never used Delphi before. It only takes a minute and it's free!
I'm eager to hear comments and suggestions. Let's get the conversation started!

Vale,

Amethystia Iunia Crystallina -- Iunonis Templique Sacerdotes


Subject:	Re: WARNING #2
From:
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:58:15 EDT

In a message dated 7/8/99 2:28:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a> wr--------:

<< I Declare this LEX
starting NOON EST JULY the 8th till the games for APOLLO are OVER
or the 21st of JULY till then there will be PAX!
all Partys to this Conflict will will STOP posting to the LIST about. >>

First..you don't have the authority to do so (that is litigate what people
can or can not say on this list).

Second...is that your solution to a problem? Shut everyone up?

I guess this is a DICTATORSHIP now!

--Dexippus


Subject:	Justice For Cinncinnatus
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:02:10 -0400 (EDT)

Salvete; Magistrate M. Cornelius Felix;

I trust that you do not attempt to instruct or contol the correspondence
to and from Nova Roma, as I do not believe you have either the authority
nor the wisdom for that task.

It is nice to know that you are celebrating a day of prayer and feasting
for your favorite, However, I wonder what Apollo would say to the
dishonoring of a Roman gentleman which has proven his ability and his
strength for NR.

Perhaps Apollo's minions are able to ignore such, but my God's will not
allow me that luxery. They say to me, "revel and be merry when the work
is done, and all worthy may join in!!!"

"Do not get in my way"!!! Hmmmmm, now you sound like a Centurion, and
not a peaceful reveler or a Magistrate of Rome who is sworn to uphold
the rights of NR Citizens.. I do not use foul langage, have not used
foul language, will not use foul language on this net. If you have made
an error of not identifying me properly, I pass this comment but,
otherwise your post is offensive in it's reference to a behavior that is
not of my using. I suspect that you forget certain basic identification
criteria must be met when using this net. I would much appreciate your
doing so in the future. I also suggest that you not make statements
that sound like threats, about which you have no control. It reflects
an incomplete thought pattern.

Nor is it necessary M.Cornelius Felix to use Capitol letters to
re-inforce your words. It is a child''s toy. Choose your words
carefully and the emphasis that you desire will come through, otherwise
no amount of window dressing will make a silk purse out of a sow's ear..

Lastly this is the network for Nova Roma correspondence. I understad
there is a religio net or two around. If what is said here offends you
may I respectfully suggest that you direct your attention to them for
the term of your celebrations.

Vale Magistrate M. Cornelius Felix;
Very Respectfully and Sincerely;
Marcus Municius Audens.

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Justice For Cinncinnatus
From:
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:04:46 EDT

In a message dated 7/8/99 10:02:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------es:

<< Perhaps Apollo's minions are able to ignore such, but my God's will not
allow me that luxery. They say to me, "revel and be merry when the work
is done, and all worthy may join in!!!" >>

Uh...no...As a devotee of Apollo Luciferus I will surely say that He is not
one to ask that his followers sit idly by while a great wrong is done!

--Dexippus
LONG LIVE THE LIGHT!


Subject:	Re: WARNING #2
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a>
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:10:43 -0500

On 7 Jul 99, at 23:35, william wheeler wrote:

> I Declare this LEX
> starting NOON EST JULY the 8th till the games for APOLLO are OVER
> or the 21st of JULY till then there will be PAX!
> all Partys to this Conflict will will STOP posting to the LIST about. YOU
> someone to yell at I will hear you on my phone (503-234-7133) or in EMAIL.
> ALSO I am working on it and need to talk to all about as I DO NOT KNOW
> what,how,when,why ( not that I care) then I will look at it all and say in
> any count( not that we have one yet) what i think BUT FOR NOW PAX THATS 2!
> I want this to work out but this unvirtuous behavior will CEASE ( ie if
> for the next 2 week you can not something nice send it to me BEFORE you
> send it to the list)

Good luck! Personally, while I would love to see Pax, I think that
people will say what they want and take their chances with their
own god or gods.

People around here don't always react well to having much of
anything shoved down their throats. I didn't realize you had the
power to remove people from this mailing list. YIKES!

I sure hope this isn't being done with Germanicus' blessing ........

Amethystia Iunia Crystallina -- Iunonis Templique Sacerdotes


Subject:	Re: WARNING #2
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a>
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:10:43 -0500


Subject:	Re: WARNING #2
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:26:43 +0100

Salvete

>I sure hope this isn't being done with Germanicus' blessing ........
I think it is not.This is an individual statement from Magistrate M.
Cornelius Felix, although I think his intentions were just to stop the
climate of hostilities that are patent on the mailing list.
I think that people are starting to blame Germanicus of everything, and that
is unfair. Dictatorship is not tirany. It's a way to solve crisis.

Now, the constitution says the following:

>After his or her term of office has expired, the actions of the Dictator
will be subject to review and >final permanent approval by the Senate and
Citizens of Nova Roma.
This means that you will have the opportunity to judge Germanicus' work
after his term of office, including revoking the decision of banning
Cincinnatus from Consulship.
Can't you just wait for the end of his office?

Germanicus is trying to stop the climate of oligarchy that NR has been
living. Many of those who left NR in face of Dictatorship were in fact
passive Dictators before the crisis. The Senate has been extended. The
ellected magistrates were kept with a few exceptions. This means that
Germanicus has no desire to disrespect the public opinion, and that
senatorial decisions will be from now on the result of more discussion, of
the though of more people.
Can't you just wait for the end of his office?

Valete

Antonius Gryllus Graecus


Subject:	Warning?????
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:27:46 -0400 (EDT)

Salve, M.Cornelius Felix, Pontiff;

It is nice to know that you believe that the entire population of Rome
and her provinces were nice to each other during Apollo's Celebration
Days. I believe in the Irish Little People too, but it does not effect
us here. You started this inelegant discussion and have made a
challange to which any Roman would draw his sword. I now tell you this,
that although I hold your gods with respect, their minions must get a
lesson in that area themselves.

So let me not give you a warning, but rather a promise. If you persist
in this course of action which does not lend itself to our primary
method of communication, then you may at your convenience sharpen your
litigation tools as you will need them

I would remind you of several messages on the net which have been crying
for assistance to apply to the Religio Pontiffs to enter the religio and
it was a non-pagan who had to take the time to direct the individual,
after 10-12 appeals on the net. If you must "fix" something, fix your
house. If you do not know what to do, talk with our Augur, as he has a
lot of good ideas. You should also have a very long discussion with the
Pontiff Maximus, who in all probability understands the relationship of
the Roman Religio to the rights of Romans. If you have not done these
things, as a Pontiff you have neglected your duties, promises, and Oath.
I strongly suggest that you put aside your military attitude and tend to
the duties for which you swore diligence. I sincerely hope that it is
not for popularity and force that you applied for the position you now
hold, but rather piety, and dignas. So far your baser instincts bely
your stated purpose...

Vale, M Cornelius Felix, Pontiff;
Very Respectfully and Sincerely;
Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: WARNING #2
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a>
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:33:45 -0500

On 8 Jul 99, at 15:26, Antonio Grilo wrote:

> Can't you just wait for the end of his office?
>
> Valete
>
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus

Mother on the Mount Graecus, calm down!!!

While I have hardly been his most outspoken supporter, I am not
against Germanicus. All I did was ask a question. That IS OK
with you isn't it.

AICrys (gettin ready to get all heated up again)
Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina

Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
Virgil

ICQ# 38493770
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Subject:	Re: WARNING #2
From:
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:36:42 EDT

In a message dated 7/8/99 10:26:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> writes:

<< Dictatorship is not tirany. It's a way to solve crisis. >>

But Dictatorship can lead to Tyrany. History repeats itself...even in
micro-nations.

--Dexippus


Subject:	Re: WARNING #2
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:38:23 +0100

LOL

I am always calm... Just imagined I was making a speech on the streets. =)

Valete
AGG

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From: Don and Crys Meaker &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] WARNING #2

From: "Don and Crys Meaker" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a>

On 8 Jul 99, at 15:26, Antonio Grilo wrote:

> Can't you just wait for the end of his office?
>
> Valete
>
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus

Mother on the Mount Graecus, calm down!!!

While I have hardly been his most outspoken supporter, I am not
against Germanicus. All I did was ask a question. That IS OK
with you isn't it.

AICrys (gettin ready to get all heated up again)
Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina

Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach
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Subject:	new Title
From:	w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 08 Jul 1999 07:58:59 +0100

slave

I will take the oath for toad .
What do I do ? :-)

sorry all I am just trying to fix NR that I have come to LOVE VERY MUCH
I am FINDING very dear Friends THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR LOVE OF NOVA ROMA
and I still do not have Cincinnatus 3 or eaddy
if someone will FRWD this to him
I am at # 503-234-7133
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I am M.Cornelius Felix ( people THINK ABOUT what MY name is)


Subject:	Re: Religio Nova Roma
From:	Tinnekke Bebout <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 08 Jul 1999 14:59:30 GMT

Salvete Dexippius et Omnes

I read what the honored augur said and I have to agree with him 100%.
Te laudo, Dexippius. Other than the recent appointment of Crystallina as
Sacerdote of Iuno and the addition of one Pontiff to the collegium, Nova
Roma has been much more about politics than the Religio. Personally, the
Religio is what drew me here, and it is the part of Nova Roma that gets my
devotion and energy. I have been researching the practices of Roma Mater
concerning the orders of Iuno and Diana since I was Curule Aedile shortly
after Nova Roma was founded. I am no longer Aedile, but I continue in my
work as it is and has been a labor of love. Unfortunately, I am having to
restart my work as my notes were lost when my hard drive died. I will gladly
give Crystallina any knowledge of Iuno and Her rites that I can find.

I'll quit my soapbox for now, as Dexippius is far more eloquent than I.

Valete

Lucina Iunia Cypria


Subject:	Latin or English?
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:09:52 -0400

Salvete Omnes!

I would like to take an informal poll to see what folks think about the use
of Latin titles in the Constitution. Since a part of my mandate as Dictator
includes fixing those parts of the Constitution which don't work and which
led to the governmental breakdown in the first place, I'm having to rewrite
some things.

My question is, do people prefer the use of the original Latin titles for
offices and institutions in our Constitution, or their modern English
equivalents?

For example, would it be easier for people to read about the Urban Praetors,
treasury, and Equestrian Order; or the Praetores Urbanii, aerarium, and Ordo
Equester?

The actual text of the Constitution would still be in English (although a
full Latin translation would be a nice thing to have eventually); this would
just be for the titles of offices and other institutions.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator


Subject:	Re: Religio Nova Roma
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a>
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:10:56 -0500

On 8 Jul 99, at 14:59, Tinnekke Bebout wrote:

> I read what the honored augur said and I have to agree with him 100%. Te
> laudo, Dexippius. Other than the recent appointment of Crystallina as
> Sacerdote of Iuno and the addition of one Pontiff to the collegium, Nova
> Roma has been much more about politics than the Religio

True enough and quite sad. Maybe the Priests can get together
and work WITH the Politicians?

Crystallina ... (I KNEW I would find the Title sooner or later --
thanks sis!!!!!) -- Sacerdote of Iuno <G>
Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina

Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
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Subject:	Re: Latin or English?
From:
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:10:43 EDT

In a message dated 7/8/99 11:08:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> writes:

<< I would like to take an informal poll to see what folks think about the use
of Latin titles in the Constitution. Since a part of my mandate as Dictator
includes fixing those parts of the Constitution which don't work and which
led to the governmental breakdown in the first place, I'm having to rewrite
some things.
>>

Why not both. This way those of us not familiar with Latin can learn.

--Dexippus


Subject:	Re: Latin or English?
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a>
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:13:20 -0500

On 8 Jul 99, at 11:09, Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:

> For example, would it be easier for people to read about the Urban
> Praetors, treasury, and Equestrian Order; or the Praetores Urbanii,
> aerarium, and Ordo Equester?

<G> 'Sall still Greek to me!!!!!!

Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina

Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
Virgil

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Subject:	Re: Latin or English?
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:13:46 +0100

I'm for Latin!

Valete

Antonius Gryllus Graecus

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From: Flavius Vedius Germa--------s <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>
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Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 4:08 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Latin or English?

>From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> >
>Salvete Omnes!
>
>I would like to take an informal poll to see what folks think about the use
>of Latin titles in the Constitution. Since a part of my mandate as Dictator
>includes fixing those parts of the Constitution which don't work and which
>led to the governmental breakdown in the first place, I'm having to rewrite
>some things.
>
>My question is, do people prefer the use of the original Latin titles for
>offices and institutions in our Constitution, or their modern English
>equivalents?
>
>For example, would it be easier for people to read about the Urban
Praetors,
>treasury, and Equestrian Order; or the Praetores Urbanii, aerarium, and
Ordo
>Equester?
>
>The actual text of the Constitution would still be in English (although a
>full Latin translation would be a nice thing to have eventually); this
would
>just be for the titles of offices and other institutions.
>
>Vale,
>
>Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
>Dictator
>
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Subject:	Rights of a Roman
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:18:27 -0400 (EDT)

Citizens of Nova Roma;

I advance the point that I have the right to make it quite clear to the
Dictator Germanicus my feelings at any time or on any topic, despite how
many others elect to do the same. That task has been done, and it was a
very difficult one for me. I do not oppose Germanicus, but I do
disagree. May I not voice that disagreement on this net.???

Now one of the Dictator's Pontiffs attempts to illegally control the
network and someone says that the Dictator is not responsible. Well,
you should be a little more worldly. When a Dictator takes power he is
responsible for all that goes on under his authority. Even while he
sleeps the action of his appointees reflect directly upon him. He is
never free of that problem while he is in office. He can cut through
contovery, he can select appointees, and he can unplug stopped passages
with the wave of his hand, but he cannot ever as long as he holds office
duck the responsibility of what his officers say and do, for the simple
reason that there is no appeal except to him. I am sure that Dictator
Germanicus understands this. Unfortunately there appears to be a few
appointees who do not. If you doubt the above I refer you to any
Captain of any Naval Vessel in the World. If his ship runs aground
while he is asleep, who's fault is it?? You guessed it dear, new
Captain comin' up!!

My last comment refers to dealing with Pax and Justice. It is fairly
easy to shout Pax, Pax at any cost when you have nothing to lose. It is
fairly easy to convince yourself that the accused has probably done
something to deserve his punishmet, and sweep the matter under the rug.
It is easy to shout Wait, Wait we can deal with this later, while a
man's Dignas and Honor are on the block. Have you been there? Have you
felt the agony of injustice? Have you been torn from your elected
position when you know in your heart that your actions were the best for
Nova Roma? Walk a mlile in those shoes before you ask of those who have
endured such, to be quiet so you can party. Our owm Augur who is a
close follower of Apollo has indicated that he does not think Apollo
would sit by in this siuation either. What action he would take, I know
not, but I know this; My respect is valuable to Apollo and every other
Roman Diety in the Pantheon, and if I approach any one of them with
respect and honor on the behalf of injustice, I do not doubt their
response. I am not a Pontiff nor a member of the Religio, but the small
and insignificant amount of study that I have devoted to the gods
indicate that they have a close relation to my own in that they wish us
to "do the job first and then celebrate.".
In addition the fact that a non-pagan must approach the Gods of Rome to
right an obvious wrong, when the followers of that god have not,, must
be strongly considered.

I have made my points and I will now abide by Dictator Germanicus'
government and appointees, until such tiime as they stop takng the best
steps for Nova Roma or begin to infringe further on the rights of
Romans, and then I will speak out again.

Lastly to those who speak of healing and Pax. The liberties gained by
Romans were not gained by healing and Pax, there were gained by the
sword, and held by a stern but fair system of laws and government. We
in Nova Roma have foresworn the sword as we have our liberties intact.
Through Pax and healing those liberties for some and finally for all may
well be lost if the effort and cry for justiceis not maintained.

Vale, Citizens of Nova Roma;
Very Respectfully and Sincerely'
Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Latin or English?
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:30:22 -0400 (EDT)

Salve, Dictator Germanicus;

Sir; in response to your request for input, I respectfully suggest that
both are valuable. Since the Constitution is written in English let the
latin words therein also be written in English, however, place the Latin
words and names next to the key word in parnthesis.

It is my belief that we should strive to make the Constitution as clear
and readable as possible, and yet retain the beauty and magesty of the
Latin language to the extent possible.both for the joy of our members,
and for the opportunity to learn latin more easily.

I thank you sir, for this opportunity to comment and be of some small
assistance to you.

Vale, Dictator Germanicus
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Templum Primum
From:	Tinnekke Bebout tinnekke@--------
Date:	Thu, 08 Jul 1999 15:37:52 GMT

Salve Crystallina

Thank you for making that.

Vale

Cypria


Subject:	yes you have thatright
From:	william wheeler wuffa@--------
Date:	Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:48:47 +0100

it was not as Queastor I did it
but YES YOU have that right to Veto it
I will say no more on it.
I LAY DOWN MY OFFICE OF QUEATOR


Subject:	Re: Templum Primum
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:42:18 -0500

On 8 Jul 99, at 15:37, Tinnekke Bebout wrote:

> Salve Crystallina
>
> Thank you for making that.
>
> Vale
>
> Cypria

<G> Anytime. Maybe this is one way to Pax? I don't always
subscribe to online rituals, but .......

Crys
Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina

Roman, let this be your care, your art: To beat down the proud, and teach the ways of peace.
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Subject:	Re: Latin or English?
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:43:35 EDT

In a message dated 7/8/1999 8:08:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> writes:
>> My question is, do people prefer the use of the original Latin titles for
offices and institutions in our Constitution, or their modern English
equivalents? >>
Salve Flavius Vedius!
I think both. Since the Document is basically in English, the offices should
be the same. However there is no reason why the Latin terms cannot be put in
Italics or (parentheses)
Vale
Q Fabius.


Subject:	Re: Latin or English?
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:44:58 EDT

In a message dated 7/8/1999 8:08:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> writes:

<< would like to take an informal poll to see what folks think about the use
of Latin titles in the Constitution. Since a part of my mandate as Dictator
includes fixing those parts of the Constitution which don't work and which
led to the governmental breakdown in the first place, I'm having to rewrite
some things.
>>

Salve,

I very strongly ask that Latin titles be used. They lend an air of dignity
and are also one of the few ways that Nova Roma has been able to continue the
forms of ancient traditions. To take on a title in Latin is to in some small
way be able to continue an ancient office... to be one person in a long line
of others who have held such office from antiquity. To take on an
"equivalent" title in English can only seem to be an acceptance of a
completely new sort of position.

If Nova Roma is truly a continuance of the ancient Roman system, we should
make good use of all the ancient things that we can. Keeping ancient titles
has already proven to be helpful rather than harmful - since most Nova Roman
Citizens are well versed in history the traditional forms are more familiar
and "comfortable" than anything else could possibly be.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


Subject:	my time
From:	william wheeler wuffa@--------
Date:	Thu, 08 Jul 1999 09:08:03 +0100

zI need to go offline for 12 hours starting noon est till midnight est
* Real Life stuff*
But will take anyphone calls people want to give
I aam sorry I was just trying to help NR
Vale and LOVE


Subject:	Re: Concerning the Religio
From:	Tinnekke Bebout tinnekke@--------
Date:	Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:20:24 GMT

Salve Kyrinia
Well if it counts for anything, in an email I was sending to the pontiffs
about some other stuff, I put in a plug for you. Hope it helps, you seem
like you'd do a great job.

Vale
Cypria


Subject:	Re: WARNING #2
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:19:29 EDT

Salvete Omnes,

Although Marcus Cornelius Felix has only been newly appointed a member of the
Pontificial college, I must say that his goal for PAX in honor of Apollo is
admirable. I support his effort completely.

It is perfectly reasonable that many among us have strong emotions these
days, and to want to express them to all Citizens. It's easy to forget that
Nova Roma itself is still reeling from the recent shocks, and is incredibly
fragile right now. Venting anger for all to hear is a little like attacking a
prizefighter with a baseball bat - AFTER he's already fought a title bout and
can barely stand on his own feet! There can be no hope if the blows just keep
coming without end. If any of us want Nova Roma to survive it can't hurt to
give everyone a little breathing room.

There will be PLENTY of time to argue, complain, and just plain release
emotion in the coming weeks. For the moment let us rest - and enjoy some of
what is good and beneficial within Roman culture and civilization. Let there
be a temporary Peace in honor of the Games of Apollo, God of Music, Prophecy
and Art.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

M P--------ic D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; writes:

<< << I Declare this LEX
starting NOON EST JULY the 8th till the games for APOLLO are OVER
or the 21st of JULY till then there will be PAX!
all Partys to this Conflict will will STOP posting to the LIST about. >>

First..you don't have the authority to do so (that is litigate what people
can or can not say on this list).

Second...is that your solution to a problem? Shut everyone up?

I guess this is a DICTATORSHIP now!

--Dexippus >>


Subject:	Re: Latin or English?
From:	Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:47:05 -0700 (PDT)

As the incredibly Latin-impaired person on this list (it was my second choice
for languages to study back in public school, but I got my first choice which
was French--sorry! :> ), I'd appreciate having both Latin and English. Not
only would it help others like myself, but we could *learn* Latin that way.

I'm busy learning Greek and Irish; I guess I'm adding Latin to that too, huh?
;)

-Andrea Gladia "I love langauges" Kyrinia

--- Antonio Grilo <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> wrote:
> I'm for Latin!

> >From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> > >Salvete Omnes!
> >I would like to take an informal poll to see what folks think about the use
> >of Latin titles in the Constitution. Since a part of my mandate as Dictator
> >includes fixing those parts of the Constitution which don't work and which
> >led to the governmental breakdown in the first place, I'm having to rewrite
> >some things.

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Subject:	Re: Latin or English?
From:	Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:47:11 -0700 (PDT)

--- Don and Crys Meaker &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a> wrote:
> > For example, would it be easier for people to read about the Urban
> > Praetors, treasury, and Equestrian Order; or the Praetores Urbanii,
> > aerarium, and Ordo Equester?
> <G> 'Sall still Greek to me!!!!!!

LOL

If it were Greek, I might stand a chance at understanding it. ;)

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Subject:	Address to the Senate: Let the law do its work.
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:45:29 EDT

Salvete Honored Dictator, and the Conscript Fathers (I can finally use this
title as we have Plebs sitting on the Senate.)

While certain vocals members of NR cry for justice, rightly or wrongly, why
doesn't
the Senate (with the permission of the Dictator, of course) began an
investigation into Lucius Equitius' involvement in the huge misunderstanding
last Wed. If he acted in misplaced zeal, but for the good of Nova Roma, he
should be cleared of all wrong doing. If he acted to gain personal power,
then he should be punished.
Flavius Vedius is right in not restating him, just because his clients and
kin ask for it.
Because that would show that the mob rules Rome, and as Muncis Audens so
eloquently pointed out, we exist due to Law. Also if the elections were
illegal as Flavius Vedius indicated, to what office can he be restored to?
So let the Law work. The people have spoken. Now let the Senate do its
work! Let our Conscript Fathers discover if Lucius Equitius is guilty under
our Law of any wrong doing. Since much of the Senate is composed of Lucius
Equitius' friends and supporters, it should be a fair tribunal. It is the
only fair way to proceed at this point.
Valete
Q. Fabius
(To all you touchy magistrates out there. This was not an attack on anyone.
I'm trying to be fair to all sides.)


Subject:	A New Citizen
From:	SDmtwi@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:48:59 EDT

Salvete,
The gens Labiena is one member larger. Our first child, Prima
Labiena Iulia, was born at 4:30 AM on Wednesday (Nonas Iulius) after a
picture perfect three-hour labor. For those who like vital statistics, she
weighs almost 9 lbs., and is a little over 21" tall (statuesque, like her
mother). Both she and my wife, Appia Claudia Labieni, are doing extremely
well. We're all very happy about her arrival - especially her grandparents,
who are positively ecstatic. I'm especially pleased that the Gods chose to
give our daughter to us on such an auspicious day, dedicated as it is to Iuno
and women in general.

Valete,
T Labienus Fortunatus


Subject:	Re: Justice For Cinncinnatus
From:	Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:59:23 -0700 (PDT)

--- <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:
> << Perhaps Apollo's minions are able to ignore such, but my God's will not
> allow me that luxery. They say to me, "revel and be merry when the work
> is done, and all worthy may join in!!!" >>
> Uh...no...As a devotee of Apollo Luciferus I will surely say that He is not
> one to ask that his followers sit idly by while a great wrong is done!
> --Dexippus
> LONG LIVE THE LIGHT!

Beautiful Apollo. How does He put up with us? All I can picture is Him
shaking His head in affectionate amusement.

I guess I'm seeing the soft side of matters though, huh? :)

Valete et khairete,

-Andrea Gladia Kyrinia

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Subject:	Re: Justice For Cinncinnatus
From:	Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:01:11 -0700 (PDT)

--- James Mathe--------lt;a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------e:
> Perhaps Apollo's minions are able to ignore such, but my God's will not
> allow me that luxery. They say to me, "revel and be merry when the work
> is done, and all worthy may join in!!!"

As a devotee to dear Apollo, have you seen the sculpture of Him in the frieze
of the battle between the Lapiths and the Centaurs?

He *does* get involved in these matters. :> And He has a way of making His
voice heard.

Valete et khairete,

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Subject:	Re: A New Citizen
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:59:57 -0400

Salvete,

> The gens Labiena is one member larger. Our first child, Prima
>Labiena Iulia, was born at 4:30 AM on Wednesday (Nonas Iulius) after a
>picture perfect three-hour labor. For those who like vital statistics, she
>weighs almost 9 lbs., and is a little over 21" tall (statuesque, like her
>mother). Both she and my wife, Appia Claudia Labieni, are doing extremely
>well. We're all very happy about her arrival - especially her
grandparents,
>who are positively ecstatic. I'm especially pleased that the Gods chose to
>give our daughter to us on such an auspicious day, dedicated as it is to
Iuno
>and women in general.
>
>Valete,
>T Labienus Fortunatus

Gratulari tibi ago! Vitam Longam et Bonam Fortunam ei volo.

Valete, L Equitius


Subject:	Re: Some Thoughts.
From:	Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:01:03 -0700 (PDT)

--- Don and Crys Meaker &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a> wrote:
> > I'd love to see more of the Religio, and learn more about the Roman end of
> > religion.... I know it through the Hellenic part, but there are many
> > differences that I'm only beginning to learn about... I hope to learn more
> > here. I'm apparently being pushed--no, SHOVED--towards Roman religion.
> > :> I guess that Apollo likes me there... along with Dionysos/Bacchus,
> > Hermes/Mercurius.... ;)
> Ummm, BTW, it helps if you have some knowledge of the Religio in
> securing a Priesthood. <G>

I know a lot about the Greek side, and am researching as we speak.

There are people who feel that I know enough to do it Hellenically speaking,
but I still don't feel like I know enough.

> I am researching my tushie off, but have resorted to meditation that
> Iuno may tell me what she wants done.

LOL

Yes, I get my knowledge from my gods as well.

And a few books here and there don't hurt. ;)

Valete et khairete,

-Andrea Gladia Kyrinia

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Subject:	Re: Concerning the Religio
From:	Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:17:35 -0700 (PDT)

--- Tinnekke Bebout <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a> wrote:
> Salve Kyrinia
> Well if it counts for anything, in an email I was sending to the pontiffs
> about some other stuff, I put in a plug for you. Hope it helps, you seem
> like you'd do a great job.

Thanks! :) :)

A number seem to think that I'd make a great Vestal Virgin. I'm inclined to
agree. Something about being overqualified, and all that ;)

Valete et khairete,

-Andrea Gladia Kyrinia

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Subject:	Re: A New Citizen
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:24:53 -0400

Salve!

> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246033014165012132015098190036129" >SDmtwi@--------</--------;
>
> Salvete,
> The gens Labiena is one member larger. Our first child, Prima
> Labiena Iulia, was born at 4:30 AM on Wednesday (Nonas Iulius) after a
> picture perfect three-hour labor. For those who like vital statistics,
she
> weighs almost 9 lbs., and is a little over 21" tall (statuesque, like her
> mother). Both she and my wife, Appia Claudia Labieni, are doing extremely
> well. We're all very happy about her arrival - especially her
grandparents,
> who are positively ecstatic. I'm especially pleased that the Gods chose
to
> give our daughter to us on such an auspicious day, dedicated as it is to
Iuno
> and women in general.

Congratulations!!! It's so good to hear wonderful news in these stressful
times!

On behalf of my wife and myself, and I'm sure of all of Nova Roma, all the
best wishes to your entire family on this joyous occasion!

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus


Subject:	Re: Latin or English?
From:	AC1917@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:45:56 EDT

Certainly, the original Latin titles would be more appropriate. But, why not
include both? Esp. since, I would imagine most people would refer to the
English equivalents in everyday speech.

Camillus Severus Antoninus


Subject:	Re: A New Citizen
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:11:51 -0500

Salvete!!!

CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Welcome to the Second Born Nova
Roman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

from Terry and Lapis too!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amethystia Iunia Crystallina -- Iunonis Templique Sacerdotes


Subject:	Re: Justice For Cinncinnatus
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:14:48 -0400 (EDT)

Andrea;

Gee, that's what I thought that I said!!

Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Justice For Cinncinnatus
From:	Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:15:48 -0700 (PDT)

--- James Mathe--------lt;a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------e:
> Andrea;
> Gee, that's what I thought that I said!!

Sorry, I misread. :) I think a few others did too as well...

Consider it a "voice in agreement," then!

Valete et khairete,

-Andrea Gladia Kyrinia

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Subject:	Re: WARNING #2
From:	Tinnekke Bebout tinnekke@--------
Date:	Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:30:40 GMT

Salvete
I hope none of my posts are perceived as breaking the pax. I just read the
pontifex's warning..I'm a bit slow on the email front. eep
Valete
Cypria


Subject:	Re: Address to the Senate: Let the law do its work.
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:45:41 -0400 (EDT)

Senators, Magistrates, and Dictator;

I rise in Forum to support fully the proposal of my learned friend Q.
Fabius Maximus. I have heard you discussion and criticism of my support
of Cinncinnatus. I must point out to you I am not a Client of anyone but
rather a free Nova Roman.intent upon fair play and justice.

You all must realize by this time and with the oaths of those who
believe this man's innocence of the charges against him, that at least
some attempt to restore the Roman Honor to this man should and must be
made.

All of you who have been in Nova Roma long enough to recognize my name,
should also know that were any of you in the place of Cinncinnatus, I
would fight as hard for you as I have for him. Before you decide to gag
me, which I suppose that you have the right under a Dictator to do, give
that some thought. If you were accused of wrongdoing,, held without
Dignas and Honor, and denied due process, which of you would advise me
to silence, so that you could dwell alone in a dungeon of dispair, while
your world goes on merrily around you, without thought to you or
yours??? Which of you will say that to me??

I do not trust "Later" or "when things are quieter" because that time
never comes and well the senior magistrates know that. If you all
collectively wish I would go away, why then I will, right after you take
positive action to overturn an indictment that is cruel, undeserved, and
self-serving. As long as you respond to me with words that do not
consider all of my post, then I will continue to remind you of what I
consider your duty to be.

I am now and was at the beginning convinced of that right, and I await a
negative response to that statement from any of you. I do not ask for
anything that anyone of you would not expect as common decency, yet it
is being withheld from Cinncinnatus. Why???? The Tribune of Plebs has
declared no wrongdoing, three men of substance have sworn an oath on his
innocence, no charges have been substantiated with evidance.does that
not make you wonder. Check again the oath you all took. Those are not
just words you know. You are represenatives of the people, and as such
I humbly ask you to act in concert to put this away, and then begin the
healing of NR. This NR will never heal, as long as there is an open
gaping wound of injustice in it's bosom.

Vale, Senators, Magistrates and Dictator;
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens.

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: A New Citizen
From:	Marius Fimbria legion6@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:26:16 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete...

Amethystia Iunia Crystallina scripsit:

>CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Welcome to the Second Born Nova
>Roman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uhh, that would be *third*-born Nova Roman, Crys...my kinsman Marius
Merullus became the father of Regina Maria Merulla on 6 June.

All the same, I don't mind seeing another Romano-Texan on the roster, I
must confess! Congratulations and best of blessings on the wee one,
Tite Labiene. (Will you be bringing her to the Hawkwood gathering?)
>({|;-)

--- Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends


Subject:	Re: A New Citizen
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:28:31 -0500 (CDT)

Salve Fortunatus,

Congratulations on the birth of your
daughter!!! Wishing you all the best and hopefully mom will make a full
recovery soon.
Here's to long nights of sound sleep once remembered---- cheers (Lol).

Take care,

Gaius Drusus Domitianus


Subject:	Re: A New Citizen
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" mater@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:02:02 -0500

On 8 Jul 99, at 14:26, Marius Fimbria wrote:

>
> Uhh, that would be *third*-born Nova Roman, Crys...my kinsman Marius
> Merullus became the father of Regina Maria Merulla on 6 June.

Gee, well, don't yell it so loud next time!!!!!!! <G>

CONGRATS ON THE SECOND AND THIRD NATURAL BORN
NOVA ROMAN CITIZENS!!!!!!!!!!!

Anybody care to go for #4?? <G>

Amethystia Iunia Crystallina -- Iunonis Templique Sacerdotes


Subject:	Re: Latin or English?
From:	"Tinnekke Bebout" tinnekke@--------
Date:	Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:26:35 GMT

Salve Germanicus
I prefer the Latin ones.
Vale
Cypria


Subject:	Re: Religio Nova Roma
From:	"Tinnekke Bebout" tinnekke@--------
Date:	Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:34:26 GMT

>Crystallina ... (I KNEW I would find the Title sooner or later --
>thanks sis!!!!!) -- Sacerdote of Iuno <G>
>Gaius Cornelius Mamertinus and Amethystia Iunia-Cornelia Crystallina
You're welcome, sis.:)
Vale
Cypria


Subject:	Re: A New Citizen
From:	"Tinnekke Bebout" tinnekke@--------
Date:	Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:53:38 GMT

Congrats
Vale
Cypria


Subject:	Re: Latin or English?
From:	BenBorgo@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:53:27 EDT

Salvete,

Chalk up another one for Latin. (and this coming from someone who barely
speaks a word of it!)

Valete
Gn. Tarquinius Caesar


Subject:	Congratulations
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:42:17 -0400 (EDT)

Nova Roma Citizens, Magistrates, Pontiffs et all, and Dictetor
Germanicus

I have been neglectful of my duties as a citizen in the way of
congratulations. I therefore hope to lay these neglects to rest with
the following:

To all new magistrates selected by Dictator Germanicus, I salute you.
The Dictator has chosen well, and I say to you and to all the heartiest
of congratulations. We of Nova Roma look for great things from you
service, and I am confident from those of you that I know, and from what
little I know of the rest, that you will do well!!

To all re-appointed magistrates, it is upon your shoulders that rests
the new NR, and no-one realizes that more than I. I have been vocal in
the past few days because I felt that the wod had not spread far enough
or fast enough. I am now satisfired that you all understand my
concerns.. Tose things which concermn me are now out of my hands and I
can do no more. My continued best-wishes to my former colleagues and I
wish you all the very best!!

To the Religio appointees, I congratulate you on taking up a difficult
but joyous task to bring he Roman Religio to the forefront of Society.
While I do not share in your faith, I respect it deeply, and have gone
before the gods of Rome on several occasions to show that respect. It
must be a wonderful thing to be of that faith and be able to work for
the growth of this faith. In all of that, you have my best wishes and
my prayers for your success!!!

To the Parents of the two new children within NR, Congratulations and
many more happy returns of the day. You are to be congratulated and it
is hoped that your chldren will make the secong "Second Generation" of
Nova Roma in the future. My prayers include the children as well as the
excellent parents.

To Dictator Germanicus, I applaud your selection of those Magistrates
that you have raised, and further applaud your close liaion with the
Pontiff Maximus for the selection of Religio Positions.

I thank you all for your efforts on the part of myself as Paterfamilus
of the Gens Minucia.

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Congratulations
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:45:09 -0400 (EDT)

My previous message didn't get signed:

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: new Title
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:09:20 -0400

Salvete M Corneli et alii

>
>I am M.Cornelius Felix ( people THINK ABOUT what MY name is)
>
Your name (nomen) tells me that you are in Sulla's gens. Your cognomen
tells me that you think of yourself as fortunate, or happy, or favored by
the gods (they're all pretty close in meaning, especially from a Roman point
of view, I think).

It's a good Roman name. Is there something else?

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus


Subject:	Re: Latin or English?
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:16:58 -0400

Salvete Dictator Flavi Vedi et alii

>From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> >
>I would like to take an informal poll to see what folks think about the use
>of Latin titles in the Constitution. Since a part of my mandate as Dictator
>includes fixing those parts of the Constitution which don't work and which
>led to the governmental breakdown in the first place, I'm having to rewrite
>some things.

Part of my intent of translating the Constitution into Latin is to provide a
standard text as a reference for standard titles of magistrates and
institutions. Along with the Latin text, I'll deliver a list of typo's and
nonsensical references to help you in looking for language to fix.
>
>My question is, do people prefer the use of the original Latin titles for
>offices and institutions in our Constitution, or their modern English
>equivalents?

When writing in English, I would probably use the English equivalents as
often as the Latin ones. In the English text of the Constitution, the
English equivalents would be fine. This would probably make the
constitution more readable for an English-only speaker.
>
>For example, would it be easier for people to read about the Urban
Praetors,
>treasury, and Equestrian Order; or the Praetores Urbanii, aerarium, and
Ordo
>Equester?

Hey, it all sounds good to me.
>
>The actual text of the Constitution would still be in English (although a
>full Latin translation would be a nice thing to have eventually);

The full translation of the old, obsolescent constitution is almost done, as
I posted last week.

this would
>just be for the titles of offices and other institutions.
>
>Vale,
>
>Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
>Dictator

Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus


Subject:	Re: Address to the Senate: Let the law do its work.
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:53:37 -0400

Salvete Fabi et alii

>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>

I think that some formal action along the lines that you state will have to
be taken eventually. I called for M Mucius Scaevola Magister to begin an
investigation, but he believes, in his rather well-informed opinion, that he
is not qualified to pursue such an investigation. So, right now I see two,
no make it three, stumbling blocks to the business of sorting out the guilt
vs. innocence thing (not only of any one person, but of all parties whose
names have been tossed about in connection with the collapse of Nova Roma's
Republic -- they're all tied together):

1. Noone is qualified to conduct an investigation, because, as I understand
it, an investigation would be organized by a Praetor Urbanus, and both of
those magistrates have been accused of some wrongdoing,

2. A court has to be established (this is feasible, especially if formation
of the comitia continues),

3. The very small, fragile nature of Nova Roma probably won't tolerate
attention to investigation and prosecution of magistrates. Let's face it,
there are a few people running this show on a part-time basis. While I want
to sort out what happened as much as anyone does, I recognize that
prosecution of magistrates at this juncture would perhaps ignite the flame
of Nova Roma's funeral pyre. Take away the magistrates who will be
prosecuting, and those who will be prosecuted, and who will process new
citizenship applications, answer citizens' questions, and generally work
toward building Nova Roma?

That doesn't mean that I'm going to forget the whole incident, or that I
think that we should all try to forget it. It just means that we have to
adopt a "wait and see" approach to the question of guilt/innocence.

Hopefully, there won't be a flurry of proscriptions while we're "waiting"
and "seeing". But of course there won't be. Because anyone who initiates a
campaign of proscription, expulsions or whatever is going to be sitting on a
throne in dead empty chamber in short time. There is nothing, nothing at
all to keep hundreds of reasonably-thinking people in a voluntary-enrollment
organization like Nova Roma if it is run by a tyrant or grouping of such.

a >While certain vocals members of NR cry for justice, rightly or wrongly,

right, "rightly or wrongly" -- who knows without a formal investigation and
some kind of judicial process?

why
>doesn't
>the Senate (with the permission of the Dictator, of course) began an
>investigation into Lucius Equitius' involvement in the huge
misunderstanding
>last Wed. If he acted in misplaced zeal, but for the good of Nova Roma, he
>should be cleared of all wrong doing. If he acted to gain personal power,
>then he should be punished.

And who is going to be the arbiter? Who is going to be the prosecutor? Who
is going to be the defense? We need to do these things, you are absolutely
right. But if we weren't able to deal with Romanus or Fannius last year, we
are actually in much worse a position now to do so with anyone else.

>Flavius Vedius is right in not restating him, just because his clients and
>kin ask for it.

So he was right to expel/proscribe him? How do you know? What do you know
that I don't?

>Because that would show that the mob rules Rome, and as Muncis Audens so
>eloquently pointed out, we exist due to Law.

Hopefully Law will grow strong here. So far, it is weak.

Also if the elections were
>illegal as Flavius Vedius indicated, to what office can he be restored to?

Probably to the same office that Decius Iunius Palladius now holds, despite
the invalid elections, that is, consul pro tempore dictatore designatus

>So let the Law work. The people have spoken. Now let the Senate do its
>work!

Yes, Let us move forward.

Let our Conscript Fathers discover if Lucius Equitius is guilty under
>our Law of any wrong doing. Since much of the Senate is composed of Lucius
>Equitius' friends and supporters, it should be a fair tribunal.

???
Nothing against an argument that L Equitius is innocent (although I have yet
to see ANY argument as to his guilt or innocence, and am not going to hold
my breath waiting for either), but, how does it follow that it will be a
fair process from the fact that his buddies will be judging him?

It is the
>only fair way to proceed at this point.
>Valete
>Q. Fabius

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus


Subject:	Re: Latin or English?
From:	Steven Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:25:02 -0700

Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:(A post about Latin versus English for the
titles of our officers.)

Avete Omnes,

I would like to see the Latin preserved, with a Latin to English glossary as
a teaching tool. In some "sects" of Asatru, one of the stumbling blocks has
been not enough use of elder tongues. The use of such does (in my
experience) lend itself to setting the mind for the task ahead. As Norse,
Anglo-Saxon, Icelandic, Frisian, etceteras should be of great importance to
my co-religionists, Latin should be to Nova Roma.

mea sententia

In Amicus et Fidelis - Venator


Subject:	Re: A New Citizen
From:	Steven Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:34:28 -0700

Ave T Labienus Fortunatus, Salus et Fortuna!!!

<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246033014165012132015098190036129" >SDmtwi@--------</--------; wrote: The --------uncement of --------w Citizen!!!

Vivat - Veivat - Vivat

In Amicus et Fidelis - Venator


Subject:	Re: Latin or English?
From:	Oplontian@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:38:15 EDT

Salvete,
We should have Latin titles in the Constitution and other official documents,
perhaps with English equivalents in parentheses.
Valete,
Q. Poppaeus Sabinus


Subject:	Re: WARNING #2
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:17:59 -0700

What is this caca?

This is message #2. I will send message #1 to anybody who wants it.
I might still send it to the list.

This "person", who is a brand new pontiff, needs to read the constitution. He also should
confer with the other pontiffs before he begins to act like a Dictator. One is more than
enough.

As Pontiff I say that Felix needs to do some more meditating. WE certainly do not want
one of Ours to go around acting with the arrogance of a Fundumb minister looking for a
storefront to rent.

Dignitas, Felix. If you maintain yours to your fellow citizens, they will maintain theirs
to you.

C. Aelius Ericius
Pontiff
Senator
Propraetor of California Provincia
Paterfamilias of gens Aelia


Subject:	Re: Latin or English?
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:29:51 -0700

I will use what is best to aid people in understanding what I'm talking about.
My only problem with Latin is, and has been since Mr. McLaren's Latin II class in '61,
endings.
And there are those people who make me happy I do not have to listen to their
pronunciation every day. [that was Humor there]

Ericius


Subject:	Re: A New Citizen
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:53:46 -0700

Salutations. Congratulations! Felicitations!
And a few HURRAHs!

May you all be a delight to each other.

Ericius


Subject:	Re: WARNING #2
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:29:14 EDT

From: w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a>
>
>Since I have been appointed Pontifex, I feel it is my religious duty to
>compel some of our citizens
[snip]
YOU have neither a duty nor any authority to "compel" anyone to do
anything. The Religio is central to Roman life and government, but you
are not. You are only a priest (at least in name, anyway), and citizens
do not take orders from a priest. Do you actually know anything about
Rome or the Religio?

>I, based on my authority as a religious officer I want this hostility
>and
>unvirtuous behavior to cease. If it doenst I feel I will have to take
>the
>most Roman step of litigation to make these actions stop from disrupting
>the
>healing process of Nova Roma.
>
>I Declare this LEX...
[snip]
Leges are made by the Senate and people of Nova Roma, not by you. Buzz
off and go tend to your religious duties, if you know how.

Germanicus must be scraping the bottom of the barrel for appointees now.

L. Sergius Aust.

sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.

(I think some people in togas are plotting against me.)


Subject:	Re: WARNING #2
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:29:09 EDT

From: "Don and Crys Meaker" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166114056127135138082190036" >mater@--------&--------a>
[snip!]
>I sure hope this isn't being done with Germanicus' blessing ........

Salve Crys

The trouble is it clearly is with his blessing to the extent that he
chose to elevate this obviously unprepared and unknowledgeable individual
to a priesthood and a magistracy! What sort of concern does this reflect
for the integrity of either the Religio or the State?

This can only detract further from the respect some of us formerly had
for Germanicus as a leader. And he has the gall to disparage
Cincinnatus???

Vale,

L. Sergius Aust.

sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.

(I think some people in togas are plotting against me.)


Subject:	Re: Latin or English?
From:	Daniel Dreesbach dreesbach@--------
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:34:36 -0700 (PDT)

I think we should have both Latin and English

--- RMerullo <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> wrote:
> From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
> Salvete Dictator Flavi Vedi et alii
>
>
>
> >From: "Flavius Vedius Germanicus"

> <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> > >
> >I would like to take an informal poll to see what
> folks think about the use
> >of Latin titles in the Constitution. Since a part
> of my mandate as Dictator
> >includes fixing those parts of the Constitution
> which don't work and which
> >led to the governmental breakdown in the first
> place, I'm having to rewrite
> >some things.
>
> Part of my intent of translating the Constitution
> into Latin is to provide a
> standard text as a reference for standard titles of
> magistrates and
> institutions. Along with the Latin text, I'll
> deliver a list of typo's and
> nonsensical references to help you in looking for
> language to fix.
> >
> >My question is, do people prefer the use of the
> original Latin titles for
> >offices and institutions in our Constitution, or
> their modern English
> >equivalents?
>
> When writing in English, I would probably use the
> English equivalents as
> often as the Latin ones. In the English text of the
> Constitution, the
> English equivalents would be fine. This would
> probably make the
> constitution more readable for an English-only
> speaker.
> >
> >For example, would it be easier for people to read
> about the Urban
> Praetors,
> >treasury, and Equestrian Order; or the Praetores
> Urbanii, aerarium, and
> Ordo
> >Equester?
>
> Hey, it all sounds good to me.
> >
> >The actual text of the Constitution would still be
> in English (although a
> >full Latin translation would be a nice thing to
> have eventually);
>
> The full translation of the old, obsolescent
> constitution is almost done, as
> I posted last week.
>
> this would
> >just be for the titles of offices and other
> institutions.
> >
> >Vale,
> >
> >Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> >Dictator
>
>
> Valete
> Gaius Marius Merullus
>
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