| Subject: |
Ludi Apollonaris, Prose Contest |
| From: |
Pythia kingan@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:22:46 -0700 |
|
To the Glory of sweet Apollo:
Three devotionals
by Pythia
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
APOLLO
"The Lord whose is the oracle at Delphi neither utters nor hides his
meaning,
but shows it by a sign."
Heraclitus
The ancients had many forms of divination. They would interpret the
flights of birds, and patterns in the growth of trees. They found
meaning in dreams, and even today in Greece, dream interpretation is
very popular.
Any form of divination, however, is dependent on the one gift only
Apollo bestows. That is Intuition. Intuition is the ability to see what
others may miss in a situation. A gesture, a particular comment, or the
ability to see a pattern where others do not , these form part of the
mysterious gift called Intuition.
It is form of deep wisdom that cannot be explained, but it is available
to all of us in varying degrees. Heraclitus states that Apollo does not
hide his meaning. He gives it to us in a way that demands we exercise
our deeper wisdom, and by doing so we exercise our mental muscles.
We can be thankful that Apollo does not desire blind ignorant obedience,
but shares His nature with us. Take some time today to meditate on your
inner, unspoken wisdom.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
ZEUS
"Yet even so, thou knowest to make the crooked straight.
Prune all excess, give order to the orderless,
For unto thee the unloved still is lovely-
And thus in one all things are harmonized"
Cleanthes
of Assos, Hymn To Zeus
The concept of the “fatherhood” of God is one most of us are familiar
with from the dominant religions in our society. This has caused many to
discount this aspect of the Devine as oppressive and overly male
centered.
It need not be seen this way, however. We know, from writings that have
come down to us from the ancient Greeks, that Zeus was regarded as a
good and just protector of the weak. Even a casual reading of Aesop
reveals a caring and fatherly King.
Consider Marpessa, who was loved by both Idas, a mortal, and Apollo.
When the God and the mortal came to blows over her affections, it was
Zeus who separated them and allowed Marpessa to choose her lover. She
chose Idas, believing that Apollo would not be a comfort in her old age.
Zeus’ intervention was an act of mercy for Idas as well as Marpessa, for
he would not have survived about with Apollo. Apollo was then forbidden
to take vengeance on the couple.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
ATHENA
"Come, then, Athena, with hand upraised over the kiln. Let the pots and
all the dishes turn out well and be well fired: let them fetch good
prices and be sold in plenty in the market, and plenty in the streets.
But if you turn shameless and make false promises, then I call together
the destroyers of kilns, Shatter and Smash and Char and Crash and
Crudebake who can work this craft much mischief. Come all of you and
sack the kiln-yard and the buildings: let the whole kiln be shaken up to
the potter's loud lament."
Homer
We often think of Athena as a Goddess of War, and indeed, She was
considered the Defender of The City.
In this quote from Homer , we see Her as the defender of livelihood as
well. As the Patroness of the craftsmen it is not surprising that she
is asked to bless the potters, but what is of particular interest is the
promise of prosperity.
Under Athena’s gaze the craftsman can expect not only great skill, but
productivity and financial gain. We might have assumed that the artisan
would look to Hermes for those blessings and asked Athena only for
skill. But Athena also demands more than simple acknowledgement, as
Homer points out. Dishonesty will lead to financial ruin.
Our work becomes sanctified when we acknowledge the presence of the
Divine, and make our own offering of integrity.
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| Subject: |
Re: Long: A Rite for Appollo |
| From: |
Steven Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:54:24 -0700 |
|
Ave Diomus!
>
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132176253213194233015098190036129" >Diomus@--------</--------;
>
> What a perfect rite! I thank you for sharing it and I will pass it
> on to others.
>
> Flavius Lucianus Diomus
>
I thank you for your kind words. The ritual is a rough sketch, bereft of
the elder tongues (Icelandic or Old English) in which I try to write my
greetings, blessings and invocations. Hummmm, maybe I'll try a Blot in
Latin <G>.
In Amicus et Fidelis - Venator, Viking Sacerdot Privatus
P.S. Any "son" of Dexippus is a friend of mine.
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| Subject: |
Re: Personal privacy |
| From: |
AC1917@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 03:03:35 EDT |
|
I agree with Luicius Sergius. In addition to the ethical questions
involved, there is a very real legal dimension to what one citizen called a
"public outing."
Likewise C. Severus Marius' statement that claiming that roman
history is gossip holds no water is very adroit. Such a position, in
addition to being very self-serving, is just plain silly. Having Suetonius
as a major source for the First Century is like having the National Enquirer
as a major source for the twentieth.
Finally, I think that the suggestion, made by several people,
of having a magistrate (perhaps of Aedile rank?) appointed to monitor the
e-list is a sound one.
Vale,
Camillus Severus Antoninus
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| Subject: |
Re: Lives of the Caesars (was personal privacy) |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:35:05 EDT |
|
In a message dated 7/13/1999 12:03:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=100065242212067005015098190036129" >AC1917@--------</--------; writes:
<< Having Suetonius as a major source for the First Century is like having
the National Enquirer as a major source for the twentieth.<<
Camillus Severus!
I heard that Severus means light wits, but I never thought I see it
demonstrated publicly in such a convincing fashion. Have you ever read "The
Lives of the Caesars?" Do you know anything about the author? First off he
was pagan which was important, he didn't filter things through Christianity
like Dio. Second he was objective. If he couldn't cross check his facts
about his subject he would say comments like "that is what people say" or "so
I have been told." I'd like to see the National Enquirer do that much.
Next he was a magistrate and close to the imperial court. He was able to
gather most of his info about his later subjects first hand. As far as the
information from Julius Caesar up to Vespasian was concerned he was director
of the Imperial Library so he had access to all the histories. Finally as
for his gossipy style, Romans loved gossip. Read Niger to confirm that.
Also he was competing with Tacitus for readers, so he went a different
direction. However even Tacitus had some gossip in some of his sketches.
You must realize Camillus Severus, that we have many scholars and historians
here at Nova Roma. Think carefully before making statements like the one
above.
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
Re: Centuries |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:13:47 +0100 |
|
Salve
I do not understand the 'Germania' thing...
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
-----Original Message-----
From: Flavius Vedius Germa--------s <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 12:23 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Centuries
From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>
Salvete Omnes!
More good news. A system for dividing the citizenry into centuries has been
established. While in ancient times the centuries were weighted according to
age and wealth (with the older and wealthier citizens being placed in
smaller centuries, and thus being given more weight per vote), our modern
system rewards civic participation in the same way. Basically speaking, once
a year the censors will calculate where each citizen stands using a point
system, then allocate the citizens to centuries based on those points.
I'll be posting the official Lex Germania Centuriata later this week (I want
to do it as a law rather than building it into the Constitution, in order to
make it easier to change should the need arise), but here's the current
draft of the plan (comments are welcome):
LEX GERMANIA CENTURIATA
I. The voting citizenry of Nova Roma shall be divided by the censors into
193 centuries. These centuries shall be further divided into five classes,
as follows:
A. Class I shall have 55 centuries;
B. Class II shall have 47 centuries;
C. Class III shall have 39 centuries;
D. Class IV shall have 30 centuries;
E. Class V shall have 22 centuries.
II. The class to which a citizen belongs shall depend on his or her
participation in the public affairs of the State. Citizens who have shown a
greater commitment to public service shall be rewarded by placement in a
higher-ranked class.
A. The censors shall re-calculate the placement of citizens into their
respective centuries no later than the last day of November each year, and
new citizens shall be entered into their respective centuries as they join.
B. The record of public service of each citizen shall be quantified
according to the following schedule (points shall be awarded cumulatively,
but shall not carry over from year to year):
Points Awarded for
10 Member of the patrician order
7 Member of the equestrian order
5 Member of the plebian order
20 Senate service, current
10 Senate service, past
20 Senior Magistrate (consul, censor, praetor), current
10 Junior Magistrate (all others), current
10 Senior Magistrate, past (each)
5 Junior Magistrate, past (each)
3 Ran for office unsuccessfully (each)
5 Governor, current
3 Governor, past (each; does not apply if currently holding same
governorship)
3 Citizen >6 months
2 Citizen 6-12 months
5 Citizen <12 months
10 Citizen <24 months
10 Citizen <36 months
10 Citizen <48 months
10 Citizen <60 months
20 Priest, current
10 Priest, past (does not apply if currently holding same priesthood)
10 Special appointed position, current (minimum)
5 Special appointed position, past (minimum)
? Other (special)
C. The Senate shall have the authority to issue points for special
appointed positions, as well as rewards for special services performed on
behalf of the State. Such rewards must be announced at the time of the
appointment, and may not be awarded retroactively.
D. The entire list of citizens shall be divided as evenly as possible
into five classes, based on their accumulated points from the above
schedule, with those with higher point totals being enrolled in Class I and
those with the lowest point totally being enrolled in Class V.
E. Citizens within each class shall be divided as evenly as possible
among the centuries in that class.
Salvete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator
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| Subject: |
Re: Centuries |
| From: |
Rahnette@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 05:37:33 EDT |
|
<< I'll be posting the official Lex Germania Centuriata later this week <<
Hello!
I'm only an observer here, but shouldn't the law be LEX VEDIA CENTURIATA?
-Ronnie Spectere
Historian
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| Subject: |
Magisterial Assistants (was Re: Centuries) |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:00:57 -0400 |
|
Salvete!
> From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
> I concur with Q.Fabius, as a matter of fact I believe there should be 2
> Quaestors assisting our Censors. One to make certain our Citizen rolls
are
> constantly updated, and one to assist in other Censorial Duties as
directed by
> our Censors. That way their important work can be completed with a
minimum
> amount of backlog.
Actually, in the new Constitution, magistrates will have the authority to
appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative and other tasks. The
quaestors are going to be more focused on the financial aspects of things.
That way, the censors (and provincial governors, and anyone else) will be
able to farm out the paperwork as they see the need to do so.
I'm almost done making some last changes to the new proposed Constitution,
in response to feedback I've been getting. I'll hopefully be posting the
finished product here today for everyone's comment.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator
|
| Subject: |
Re: temples and founders..lend me your ears |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:31:10 EDT |
|
In a message dated 7/12/99 9:55:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=114166091165042237215056001163243012136219139046209" >darth_vilmur@--------</a> writes:
<< also for dexipus..if you like i can send you a list of free servers who
will host your web site. >>
That would be great! Please do!
Thanks,
--Dexippus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Long: A Rite for Appollo |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:39:14 EDT |
|
In a message dated 7/12/99 10:23:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a> wr--------:
<< As many of you know (hey Dex, I haven't mentioned this in a while) I am an
Asatruar. >>
LOL
Great ritual Venator! Have you been spying on me during my rituals?
LOL...very close to what I do in Circle. Are you sure you have no Wiccan
influence? he he he
I found it interesting that you mention Asatru face North in their rituals.
I have always faced North although I don't follow Asatru or any of its
practices. Funny, eh?
--Dexippus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Lives of the Caesars (was personal privacy) |
| From: |
AC1917@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:04:17 EDT |
|
My dear Q. Fabius Maximus,
As for there being many scholars and historians at Nova Roma . . .
well, considering that I hold a Ph.D. in history from the University of
Illinois and teach history at the City Colleges of Chicago, perhaps I have a
right to count myself among them. Not only have I read Suetonius, but I
assign the "Lives of the Twelve Caesars" every semester (along with Tactitus'
"Annals" and Gibbon) in my World Civ. I course.
Naturally, one cannot ask that Suetonius (born nearly two millennia
before Ranke and Momsen) follow the ethos of a modern historian; but that --
for all his credentials as an 'archive rat', and his rivarly/friendship with
Tactics -- Suetonius must be used with great caution as he is often little
more than a scandalmonger, is fairly well established among contemporary
classicists. Read Anthony Barrett, David Shotter, Miriam Griffin, Barbara
Levick. Actually, it's a view going back to the 19th century. So, I stand
by what I said.
Now, as for what YOU said, namely: "I heard that Severus means light
wits, but I never thought I see it demonstrated publicly in such a convincing
fashion." Why do you have to insult me and my gens? Why can we not have an
historical/scholarly dispute and agree to disagree as fellow citizens, and
indeed civilized men and women should? Why do you have to stoop to mockery
and sarcasm? Does this somehow DO something for you?
Quintus Fabius Maximus, I will not sink to your level. You dishonor
yourself. Shame on you.
Sincerely,
Camillus Severus Antoninus
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| Subject: |
Re: Announcement |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:07:30 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Ericius;
I must notify you that I have saved your last message and value it
extremely. I do think of myself (and so do many others much more often)
as tough as boiled leather, superstitious as an Egyptian (I am not sure
about) and as sentimental as a Sabine Grandmother (too too true- there
are tears in my eyes even now over your complimentary words)
I have most kindly been offered the possibility f another post similar
to my former one, and perhaps I may indeed resume "my post." You are
the first to know of this, and I suppose we should not bandy it about
until it happens, if it happens.
I had some hopes that when my office was not restored to me upon my
request as the Offices of several others who had made unfortunate
decisions such as mine that I might get a chance to start on my ship
models of the "Caesaria" but that wish may vanish again until the colder
days of late Fall put an end to re-enactment.
I did another "split-weekend" last weekend;Saturday (Plainfield=eld, CT)
and Sunday (Fort Adams, Newport R.I.) the first as Capt.. Lt.. Ian
McKay Commander of the Loyalist Corps. and second as Brevet Major Ian
McKay, Commander of the Coastal / River Survey Team--Northeast
Detachment, U.S. Corps of Topographical Engineers. We had a great time
with battle narrations in both places, dinners in the Officers Mess, Map
and Fortress Surveys, and Duels, Fashion Shows, Sword and Dirk Drill,
Map Making, and Light Infantry, as well as Dragoon Field Tactics. This
is the first occasion that my new unit (McKay's Loyalist Corps) has
served in an event and there were four on the field and with six new
recruits makes ten confirmed members). This was also the 3rd appearance
of the "Topogs" on the field with four in attendance and a new recruit
bringing our numbers up to Eight. Things are beginning to look up!!
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Announcement |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:19:04 -0400 (EDT) |
|
My apologies to all on his list for again sending a private message to
the list. I ask to be excused this stupid move and that you all ignore
he content as it is filled with the greatest conjecture and information
in all probability not of particular interest to this list.
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Long: A Rite for Appollo |
| From: |
Steven Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:30:50 -0700 |
|
Hailsa Dex!
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:
> LOL
>
> Great ritual Venator! Have you been spying on me during my rituals?
> LOL...very close to what I do in Circle. Are you sure you have no Wiccan
> influence? he he he
>
Venii: I believe I did at one time list my curriculum vitae vis a vis my
Religious journeying. I was indeed associated with a Celtic-Norse Coven at
one point. Their demise made the to do of a couple of weeks ago look
mellow. I have found that the form of Western Heritage ritual seems to take
on a similar shape, whatever the pantheon may be. Hel, there's not a lot of
ancient resources to use and good ideas should have no boundaries. (I've
also studied Kabala, Ceremonial Magic, Hermeticism - and I am A Freemason
afterall, plus my Catholic upbringing, the Tridentine Mass is a wonderful
example of full blown ceremonial.)
>
> I found it interesting that you mention Asatru face North in their rituals.
> I have always faced North although I don't follow Asatru or any of its
> practices. Funny, eh?
>
> --Dexippus
>
In some traditions, the North is a place of mystery. Perhaps it has to do
with the sun not arcing in the north here above the equator. I should
venture to guess that old beliefs in the southern hemisphere look to the
south in the same light.
in Amicus et Fidelis - Venator
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| Subject: |
Oath |
| From: |
Mike Macnair MikeMacnair@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:00:27 -0400 |
|
I, Marcus Mucius Scaevola Magister do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the
honor of Nova Roma, and to
act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Mucius Scaevola Magister swear to
do honor to the Gods and
Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in
my public and
private life.
I, Marcus Mucius Scaevola Magister further swear to fulfill the obligations
and responsibilities of
the office of Senator of Nova Roma to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of
the Roman people and by their
will and favor, do I accept the position of Senator of Nova Roma and all
the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
M. Mucius Scaevola Magister
(rather late)
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| Subject: |
Re: Magisterial Assistants (was Re: Centuries) |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:08:23 -0700 |
|
Cool....I have a questiosn.....I was out to dinner with Fabius yesterday....on
the Speakers of teh Tribes....I think it should be inserted to the Constitution
that they need to comply with the Tribe.....I dont know if it is in the
Constitution....but it should be there.. :)
L. Cornelius Sulla
Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:
> From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>
>
> Salvete!
>
> > From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
> >
> > I concur with Q.Fabius, as a matter of fact I believe there should be 2
> > Quaestors assisting our Censors. One to make certain our Citizen rolls
> are
> > constantly updated, and one to assist in other Censorial Duties as
> directed by
> > our Censors. That way their important work can be completed with a
> minimum
> > amount of backlog.
>
> Actually, in the new Constitution, magistrates will have the authority to
> appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative and other tasks. The
> quaestors are going to be more focused on the financial aspects of things.
> That way, the censors (and provincial governors, and anyone else) will be
> able to farm out the paperwork as they see the need to do so.
>
> I'm almost done making some last changes to the new proposed Constitution,
> in response to feedback I've been getting. I'll hopefully be posting the
> finished product here today for everyone's comment.
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Dictator
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| Subject: |
Re: Lives of the Caesars (was personal privacy) |
| From: |
Diomus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:10:23 EDT |
|
In --------ss--------d-------- 7/13/99 4:35:22 AM E--------rn D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
writes:
<< First off he
was pagan which was important, he didn't filter things through Christianity
like Dio. >>
I wasn't sure if I was the Dio to whom you were refering to in this
passage. If I am I'd appreciate it if you'd drop me an email to let me know
how you figure thta I "filter things through xtianity". I must admit that
statement has me completely baffled if so. I'd really appreciate it and
thanks alot.
Flavius Lucianus Diomus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Long: A Rite for Appollo |
| From: |
Diomus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:17:26 EDT |
|
In --------ss--------d-------- 7/13/99 9:39:33 AM E--------rn D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
writes:
<< found it interesting that you mention Asatru face North in their rituals.
I have always faced North although I don't follow Asatru or any of its
practices. Funny, eh?
--Dexippus >>
Actually Dex it doesn't surprise me that you (and I) face North. I
myself do the same in ritual. Everything that I had ever read on Wicca says
that one is to face North. I wonder where it is that we get that from? I
would guess that it came from Gardner (or who he had learned it from)
Anyway that author of this rites suggestion to face East towards Mt.
Olympus is a most interesting one indeed! I am highly considering changing
my circle rite around to incorporate this idea.
Flavius Lucianus Diomus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Lives of the Caesars (was personal privacy) |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:31:16 EDT |
|
In --------ss--------d-------- 7/13/99 3:11:14 PM E--------rn D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132176253213194233015098190036129" >Diomus@--------</--------;
writes:
<< I wasn't sure if I was the Dio to whom you were refering to in this
passage. If I am I'd appreciate it if you'd drop me an email to let me know
how you figure thta I "filter things through xtianity". I must admit that
statement has me completely baffled if so. I'd really appreciate it and
thanks alot. >>
Was he talking about you Diomus?
Flavius Lucianus Diomus is Pagan, people...so I hardly believe he's filtering
anything through Christianity.
--Dexippus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Long: A Rite for Appollo |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:34:39 EDT |
|
In --------ss--------d-------- 7/13/99 3:19:09 PM E--------rn D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132176253213194233015098190036129" >Diomus@--------</--------;
writes:
<< Actually Dex it doesn't surprise me that you (and I) face North. I
myself do the same in ritual. Everything that I had ever read on Wicca says
that one is to face North. I wonder where it is that we get that from? I
would guess that it came from Gardner (or who he had learned it from)
Anyway that author of this rites suggestion to face East towards Mt.
Olympus is a most interesting one indeed! I am highly considering changing
my circle rite around to incorporate this idea. >>
I have heard of Wiccans facing either East or North.
East...because it is the land of the rising sun. This practice comes from
the Hermetic tradition.
North...because it is where the Gods reside (as Venator said). I was taught
that for Hellenic Pagans who face North, they do so because Christianity
chased the Gods to the North (Ireland, Iceland, etc.).
I find it interesting to face East towards Olympus...however I have come so
accustomed to arranging my altar as a compass facing North that I would just
confuse he quarters...so to the North I stay. : )
--Dexippus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Lives of the Caesars (was personal privacy) |
| From: |
Diomus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:38:05 EDT |
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In --------ss--------d-------- 7/13/99 3:36:13 PM E--------rn D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
writes:
<< << I wasn't sure if I was the Dio to whom you were refering to in this
passage. If I am I'd appreciate it if you'd drop me an email to let me
know
how you figure thta I "filter things through xtianity". I must admit that
statement has me completely baffled if so. I'd really appreciate it and
thanks alot. >>
Was he talking about you Diomus?
Flavius Lucianus Diomus is Pagan, people...so I hardly believe he's
filtering
anything through Christianity.
--Dexippus >>
I am warmed by your concern Dexippus (your so sweet!). Actually I
have just learned that this Dio was a christian monk. All is well.
Flavius Lucianus Diomus
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| Subject: |
Re: Lives of the Caesars (was personal privacy) |
| From: |
Steven Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:42:26 -0700 |
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Avete!
If I may, I believe the reference was to an Historian of Roma Antiqua named
Dio.
Vale - Venator
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| Subject: |
Re: Lives of the Caesars (was personal privacy) |
| From: |
Diomus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:43:33 EDT |
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In --------ss--------d-------- 7/13/99 3:41:36 PM E--------rn D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132176253213194233015098190036129" >Diomus@--------</--------;
writes:
<<
From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132176253213194233015098190036129" >Diomus@--------</--------; >>
My fault agian. Dio was a historian. I just seem to have all my Dios
confused today. I'm going to go listen to some post-Ozzy Black Sabbath now
(with singer Dio). LOL.
Diomus
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| Subject: |
THE ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER (OR IS THIS A GREAT COUNTRY ORWHAT!!) |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:52:51 -0400 |
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Salvete,
SoloIocoLudisqueFruimini
(only for fun and games enjoy you all)
THE ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER
CLASSIC VERSION
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building
his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper
thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. The grasshopper has no
food or shelter so he dies out in the cold.
MODERN VERSION
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building
his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper
thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference
and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and
well fed while others are cold and starving. CBS, NBC and ABC show up
to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to video of
the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.
America is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can it be that, in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?
Then a representative of the NAAGB (National Association of Green
Bugs) shows up on Nightline and charges the ant with "green bias,"
and makes the case that the grasshopper is the victim of 30 million
years of greenism.
Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and
everybody cries when he sings "It's Not Easy Being Green." Bill
and Hillary Clinton make a special guest appearance on the CBS
Evening News to tell a concerned Dan Rather that they will do everything
they can for the grasshopper. Who has been denied the prosperity he deserves
by those who benefited unfairly during the Reagan summers, or as Bill
refers to it, the "Temperatures of the 80's."
Richard Gephardt exclaims in an interview with Peter Jennings that
the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and calls
for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share."
Finally, the EEOC drafts the "Economic Equity and Anti-Greenism
Act" retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The ant fined for
failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having
nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated
by the government.
Hillary gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a
defamation suit against the ant, and the case is tried before a
panel of federal judges that Bill appointed from a list of
single-parent welfare moms who can only hear cases on Thursday's between 1:30 and 3pm when there are no talk shows scheduled. The ant loses the
case.
The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last
bits of the ant's food while the government house he's in, which
just happens to Be the ant's old house, crumbles around him since
he doesn't know how to maintain it.
The ant has disappeared in the snow. And on the TV, which the grasshopper bought by selling most of the ant's food, they are showing Bill Clinton standing before a wildly applauding group of Democrats announcing that a new era of "fairness" has dawned in America.
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| Subject: |
Sports news |
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| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:38:41 -0400 |
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[This message contained attachments]
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| Subject: |
Re: Personal privacy |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:58:45 EDT |
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Salve!
Perhaps you are right T Labienus Fortunatus! I'm not fringing on anyone's
right to free speech. However, with that in mind, I still think that there
should be a more appropiate forum for private matters. why do u consider that
an abridgement of freedom of speech?
This is a public forum ANYONE can come have a view it. Is this really what we
want to show everyone? Myself personally, I could careless who does what to
whom my domus is my domus. At any rate, I was merely proposing that this
forum be reserved for the Res Publica. You are correct in that Germanicus
has a lot more pressing issues than this but since I have joined the Republic
this is all that has been discussed. Somebody or someone should do something
before this gets out of hand. Is a place to discuss Rome or the private
lives of Nova Roman citizens? Personally I prefer the former but if I should
choose to share my or my brother's personal habits I think that it wouldn't
be for the Res Publica and the whole world to see and I mean the whole world.
What I suggest is that another forum be used. Far be it from me to dictate
anyone's speech but I think that this is the most appropiate thing to do. So
if there are any better suggestions I'm by far eager and willing to listen.
Valvete
Gaius Severus Marius
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| Subject: |
Re: Lives of the Caesars (was personal privacy) |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:19:05 EDT |
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Q. Fabius Maximus
The next time you choose to insult my brother please bother to check his
credentials first!
He is current a Professor of History at Wright College in Chicago.
Additionally, how can you say Seutonius is more correct than anyone else? It
is very probable that Seutonius had Republican tendencies and therefore
sought to discredit those members of the imperial court. Additionally we
have very few first hand accounts. My brother and I having went to Rome saw
first hand what the Romans did to alter their own history to suit their own
means (i.e. Temple of Agrippa where my distinguished precedesor Septimus
Severus rededicated the temple to himself by literally scratching off
Agrippa's name). But since you are the appointed historian of such facts
you probably already knew that. Lastly, he is not the only Severan here. If
you choose to insult my family name I being the head of it shall have know
choice but to defend my dignatas. In the future I would kindly and humbly
beseech you almighty wisdom to refrain from insulting my family name. You
speak of checking of facts check out yr subjects before you choose to attack
them or you may find yourself just as Marcus Antonius did with very few
friends!
May the gods be blessed by you all-knowing wisdom
Gaius Severus Marius
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| Subject: |
Re: Lives of the Caesars (was personal privacy) |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:23:54 EDT |
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My dear Doimus,
He is refering to Dio the author not u.
Valve
Gaius Severus Marius
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| Subject: |
Fwd: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: onelist: host not found) |
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| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:45:37 EDT |
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| Subject: |
Re: THE ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER (OR IS THIS A GREAT COUNTRY ORWHAT... |
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| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:58:23 EDT |
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how very true it all is. thank you for sharing.
Ryan Walsh
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| Subject: |
passwords?!?!? |
| From: |
Diomus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:50:00 EDT |
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I just tried to access the NR website several times and it would not let me
enter because of the need for a password? What matter of insanity is this?!
If NR is going to go to passwords then there are two things to be considered
here: 1) who is going to inform the citizens of this so they can get
passwords and 2) how are non-NR members suppose to access the website to
learn about NR in the first place if you have to have a stinkin password to
get in?!?!?
Flavius Lucianus Diomus
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| Subject: |
Re: passwords?!?!? |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:00:44 -0700 |
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Oh, Yes! It is True! This is Hilarious! Not that I doubted Lucianus Diomus. Oh, no,
not at all. I just thought that maybe it was one of those silly puter server type
glitchie-poos. I await for the next installment of "As Nova Roma Turns".
C. Aelius Ericius.
[who does have a sense of humor]
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| Subject: |
Re: passwords?!?!? |
| From: |
"Gary E. McGrath" Garymac@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:01:13 -0400 |
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While I am a new citizen (June 1999) and have, for the most part been ignored by the NR
government due to the recent "troubles" (I wrote to the Dictator and received an apology)
now not only am I not included as a citizen on the web site, I cannot even access the site
w/o a password -- What have I gotten myself into?
Marcus Arrius Julianus
"For zeal to do all this is in one's power is, in truth, a proof of piety"
Flavius Claudius Julianus
Emperor Julian II (the Blessed)
Razenna wrote:
> From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
>
> Oh, Yes! It is True! This is Hilarious! Not that I doubted Lucianus Diomus. Oh, no,
> not at all. I just thought that maybe it was one of those silly puter server type
> glitchie-poos. I await for the next installment of "As Nova Roma Turns".
>
> C. Aelius Ericius.
> [who does have a sense of humor]
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| Subject: |
Re: passwords?!?!? |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:14:15 -0700 |
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Salvete puer et puellae!
There is also a demand for a password to get into the Forum Romanum chatroom.
Okay, boys and girls, what is going on. I mean, if Someone wanted to kick us all out of
their playhouse they could put a note up saying so. Out front, like. But hey!
And as for the rest, it is my opinion that sanity should be restored!
Bene valete.
C. Aelius Ericius.
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| Subject: |
Re: passwords?!?!? |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:26:53 -0700 |
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Salve M. Arrius Julianus.
There was Never a password to the website, or the chat room, until this very evening
(depending on planetary time zone). We do not know what is going on either. Try and hang
in there with the rest of us. Just keep your scutum close to your shoulder. Your gladius
level. And listen to your Centruio!
Bene vale.
C. Aelius Ericius
Propraetor of California Provincia
Senator of Nova Roma
Pontifex
and another thing or so
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| Subject: |
Re: passwords?!?!? |
| From: |
Oplontian@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:26:20 EDT |
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Salvete,
The website was accessible three hours ago with no password required.
Perhaps access is restricted at the moment because of maintenance being done
to the website ? There was a post earlier that Germanicus was about ready to
present the new Constitution. Or is something else going on ?
Valete,
Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus
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| Subject: |
Re: passwords?!?!? |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:30:43 -0400 |
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Salvete!
I think this is some sort of technical problem with the site. I've got a
call in to tech support and hopefully the whole thing will be sorted out
soon.
Vale,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132176253213194233015098190036129" >Diomus@--------</--------;
>
> I just tried to access the NR website several times and it would not let
me
> enter because of the need for a password? What matter of insanity is
this?!
> If NR is going to go to passwords then there are two things to be
considered
> here: 1) who is going to inform the citizens of this so they can get
> passwords and 2) how are non-NR members suppose to access the website to
> learn about NR in the first place if you have to have a stinkin password
to
> get in?!?!?
>
> Flavius Lucianus Diomus
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| Subject: |
Re: Personal privacy |
| From: |
SDmtwi@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:37:17 EDT |
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Salve, Gaius Severus.
> Perhaps you are right T Labienus Fortunatus! I'm not fringing on anyone's
> right to free speech. However, with that in mind, I still think that there
> should be a more appropiate forum for private matters. why do u consider
> that an abridgement of freedom of speech?
It appears that I was less than clear in stating my position in my
earlier post. I apologize for that. In my defense, my new daughter has
endeavored to remove any vestige of sleep from my life for the last few days.
In actuality, our positions are not so far apart.
To be explicit, I don’t consider the creation of separate lists a
challenge to free speech. What I do disagree with is any attempt to censor
this particular list while it is the major line of communication for the
republic. To date, the only standard applied to list content has been to ask
that messages sent here apply to either Roma Antiqua or Nova Roma.
Therefore, it should come as no shock that anything and everything even
peripherally associated with our grand experiment should wind up being posted
here.
I am actually of two minds concerning spawning a new list to handle
gossip. While I agree in principle that it is a good idea, I am not so sure
that it is particularly necessary or practical. Aside from a few instances
in which citizens have joined under false pretences to decry Paganism,
incidents like the recent airing of Nocta’s dirty linen have been relatively
rare here. It seems to me that, for the most part, it is the political
arguments and posturing that have caused the most embarassment (and damage)
to the republic and to those involved. And yet, it is exactly that kind of
communication that is essential for a healthy republic. What is not
necessary is name-calling, invectives, and arguments (as opposed to debates).
As for practicality, people will tend to send their messages to
whatever is perceived as the main message forum. And, once the message is
posted, the damage is done. Anyone who feels that s/he has been publically
defamed will wish to clear his/her name in an equally public manner. Only an
alert and active list moderator - equipped with an unequivocal and definitive
set of list rules, along with the authority to shunt entire message threads
to the gossip list - will be capable of nipping that sort of thing in the
bud.
Such a moderator would have to be absolutely scrupulous in
maintaining a dispassionate and even hand when performing his/her duties, as
well. Otherwise, s/he will do more damage than good as those s/he has
offended loudly complain in the forum.
Therefore, should we choose to separate this list into a general
news/gossip list and a new politics/legalities/important news list, we must
formulate a distinct and workable set of rules for the new forum and give
them to a capable, unbiased, and vigilant citizen to enforce.
Vale,
T Labienus Fortunatus
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| Subject: |
Re: Long: A Rite for Appollo |
| From: |
Steven Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:27:06 -0700 |
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Ave Dex,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:
> (snip)
> North...because it is where the Gods reside (as Venator said). I was taught
> that for Hellenic Pagans who face North, they do so because Christianity
> chased the Gods to the North (Ireland, Iceland, etc.).
>
Venii: Ya mean them there Southron Deities is shackin' up wid ma Northron
Gods???
>
> I find it interesting to face East towards Olympus...however I have come so
> accustomed to arranging my altar as a compass facing North that I would just
> confuse the quarters...so to the North I stay. : )
>
> --Dexippus
>
Hej, if you can keep Dex and Vinnie properly in their places, you shouldn't
have any trouble calling the quarters. B'sides, shouldn't we help guide the
Olympians home after all these years?
in Amicus et Fidelis - Venator
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| Subject: |
Trip Report - Fairly Long |
| From: |
Steven Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:23:07 -0700 |
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Avete Omnes, Salus et Fortuna!
Venator here;
As you may recall, I had accepted the invitation of Garman Lord, King of the
Winlandish Rice of Theodish Belief to attend their Midsummer Celebration. I
did so and came away quite impressed. Garman founded Theodish Belief in
1976. Thay have remained a fairly small group in light of that time span as
they have a rigorous apprenticeship period and strict social structure (they
have at the top of their society a Sacral Kingship).
One great concept I learned about from their lore is that of "Poetic
Significance." The following is my attempt to put the trip into verse, in
that light.
I know this has nothing to do directly with Nova Roma. But, I think we can
look to what other groups have done and are doing in aid of strengthening
this society abuilding.
I hope this is of use.
In Amicus et Fidelis - Venator
P.S. Some words as a glossary.
Theodish - Tribal / Frith - Pax / Troth - Fidelis / Warders - guardians
Frithstead - A place of Pax / Odin, Thor, Frey, Tyr - Nordic-Germanic Gods
Needfire - A fire lit for ceremonial purposes by ancient methods
Wordsworth - Words which are worthy of speaking or singing to the Gods
Galdor - Hymn / Balefire - varient of needfire / Blot - ritual
Symbel - ritual drinking and toasting in the meadhall
Churl - freeman / Thane - a freeman of education and accomplishment
Lord - a tribal leader / King - refering to the Germano-Nordic concept of
the Sacral Kingship, in which the King represents the "luck of the land and
people"
Gering Hall - Garman's home / Shaman - a mystic / Sunna - the sun goddess
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> A Midsummer's Visit To The Theodish Heartland
> by
> Piparskegg UllRsson Veithmathur
(known in Nova Roma as Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator)
> Be Thou Hale Theodish Kin
> Frithful, Trothful Friends
> Poets, Scholars Warders, Craftsmen
> Joyful, Resolute Folk
> All This You Are
> I Have Seen I Have Heard
> I Gained A Little More
>
> I Journeyed Long And Thought To Be
> Estranged Amongst Strangers
> I Came Away And Journeyed Home
> Firmly Named A Friend
> All This I Became
> I Have Seen I Have Heard
> I Gained A Little More
>
> Ale And Meat Mead And Bread
> A Traveler's Meal I Sought
> Roof And Hearth Bench And Cot
> A Brother's Share I Got
> All This I Had
> I Have Seen I Have Heard
> I Gained A Little More
>
> Many A Friendly Hand I Received
> And Smiles All Around
> A Brimming Horn And Blessing Words
> The Happiest Of Sounds
> All This I Received
> I Have Seen I Have Heard
> I Gained A Little More
>
> We Worked On Wood We Traded Songs
> We Wrangled Many Thoughts
> We Feasted Well We Rested Little
> And Smiles Still Were Wrought
> All This Was Good
> I Have Seen I Have Heard
> I Gained A Little More
>
> A Frithstead Hallowed By Thane And Maid
> Through Word And Right And Ale
> Upon The Lea Of Theodish Orlay
> A Needfire near the Tree
> All This I Saw
> I Have Seen I Have Heard
> I Gained A Little More
>
> Wordsworth To Odin Thor And Frey
> Raised In Galdor Bold
> Midsummer's Dawn A Horn Did Sound
> The Balefire Leaping High
> All This Felt Right
> I Have Seen I Have Heard
> I Gained A Little More
>
> A Blot To Tyr The Ancient One
> In Deepest, Darkest Night
> In Symbel Holy The Horn Was Raised
> For Boasts And Oaths And Blessings
> All This Was Mighty
> I Have Seen I Have Heard
> I Gained A Little More
>
> The Village Games With Bow And Spear
> Contested On A Meadow
> No Honor Lost No Treasure Gained
> Save Friendship, Laughs And Bellows
> All This Was Tribal
> I Have Seen I Have heard
> I Gained A Little More
>
> Bright And Worthy Men, Women, Youth And Lass
> No Frithless Words Were Spoke
> Shoulder To Shoulder When Ordeals Arose
> Many Hands Made Burdens Light
> All This Was Trothful
> I Have Seen I Have Heard
> I Gained A Little More
>
> Winlandish Churl Thane, Lord And King
> A Bearded Outlander Too
> The Final Blot The Blessing Shared
> The Needfire laid To Rest
> All This Was Worthwhile
> I Have Seen I Have Heard
> I Gained A Little More
>
> At Gering Hall A Final Symbel
> By King For Folk Declared
> The Shaman Spoke And Shared More Lore
> And Other Gifts Were Given
> All This Spoke To Me
> I Have Seen I Have Heard
> I Gained A Little More
>
> At Sunna's Rise A Morning meal
> Some Newborn Thoughts Were Shared
> Farewells Exchanged And Pledges Made
> To Come Together Again
> All This Was Pleasing
> I Have Seen I Have Heard
> I Gained A Little More
>
> I Journeyed long And Thought To Be
> Estranged Amongst Strangers
> I Came Away And Journeyed Home
> Firmly Named A friend
> All This I Became
> I Have Seen I Have Heard
> I Gained A Little More
>
> Be Thou Hale Theodish Kin
> Frithful, Trothful Friends
> Poet, Scholar Warder, Craftsman
> Joyful, Resolute Folk
> All This You Are
> I Have Seen I Have Heard
> I Gained A Little More
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| Subject: |
Re: Authentication CODE on the WEBSITE |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:45:40 -0700 |
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Good....a response! :)
L. Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------; wrote:
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>
> 401.3 Unauthorized: Unauthorized due to ACL on resource
> Salvete!
> We are aware of the problem. We are attempting to fix it. Hopefully we will
> be up and running soon. Stay calm. There is nothing subversive going on in
> NR.
> This is a technical problem and it will be handled. That is all.
> Valete
> Q Fabius
> Curule Aedile
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