Subject:	Re: Term for Censors
From:	Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 04:32:19 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, RCW wrote:

> From: "RCW" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
> I agree with that.....especially if we want to try to keep it as far away
> from politics as possible.....(As if we could do that....LOL) But seriously,
> it would be separating the Position of Censor from the remaining political
> offices.


You are right, this is a reasonable suggestion though the fact that the
election for this post is not held every year already insulates it
somewhat from the political fray. How about if the election for censor was
held mid to late september but would take office with the other
magistrates? That would incorporate the suggested 3 month
learning period for the censor-elect to help do and learn the job. Of
course, since they will be staggered the censor already in office could do
that. This way though, the censor staying in office isn't saddled with the
extra task of training and carrying on the regular duties as well.


Valete,


Decius Iunius Palladius, Censor


>
> L. Cornelius Sulla
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steven Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
> To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 6:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] Term for Censors
>
>
> > From: Steven Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
> >
> > Avete Omnes,
> >
> > 2 years, staggered election, 3 month overlap, 9 month rest - looks good to
> > me. As the Censors have a unique position in the government, howzabout
> > Censorial elections in June, exclusive of the other magistracies?
> >
> > Valete - Venator
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Subject:	Censors, Terms and Aspects of Service
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:11:51 -0400 (EDT)

Salve Dictator Germanicus;

Sir; further in the consideration of the subject advantages is the
desirability of having experienced Censors continuing in the job as they
may wish to. Through staggering the election, providing training
periods for new Censors, and assistants to Censors for the number of
responsibilities, we will have created a "climate", if you will, for the
further involvement of NR Membership who work well under such a workload
and circumstances. I believe that people with this ability are very
valuable to NR and should be encouraged in every way to partake in the
development of Nova Roma.

In addition I most respectfully forward that I would like to hear the
evaluation of both Palladius and Cassius to the ideas of changing the
subject topic, as they have borne the brunt of the Censor's Task and
Office for the last year and more. Cinncinnatus, and of course
yourself, also have had some experience with the position and your
insights should be quite valuable as well.

Vale, Dictator Germanicus;
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Citizenship Application
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:22:21 -0400

Salvete!

Just wanted to let everyone know that the citizenship application is once
again working properly, and displays a confirmation message once the
information is submitted.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator

Subject:	Re: law: Inner consistency
From:	Marcus Prometheus fresco@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:44:39 +0300

Salvete Cives Novae Romae, Patres et Conscripti,
Salve Flavi Vedi Germanici Dictator

Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:
>
> One thing still very much up in the air: the length of time used for debate
> and voting in the Senate. I'd like to nail it down to a set time period...



With humble excuses for intervening while not yet a NR citizen,
(but the Dictator always asked "everybody's" comments)

Everybody can see that you Flavius Vedius Germanicus are a working and
achieving Dictator in the best ROMAN REPUBLICAN sense and you want to
return the Republic to normal institutional rule, and to return yourself
soonest to your field (like ancient Cincinnatus), but until you are
receiving such valuable inputs as those from G.Marius Merullus,
M.Minucius Audens, M.Mucius Scaevola, M.Papirius Justus, C.Aelius
Ericius and others too, which are appreciated as usable and included
indeed by yourself, the usefulness of keeping open the debate is
manifest.

Honored Dictator! When suggestions appreciated by yourself Flavius
Vedius Germanicus will dry up the constitution and lex which will bear
your name will be done.
Everybody appreciates your desire to return to normality after just 3
weeks of Dictatorship, as a sign of abhorrence of tyranny but a few days
or weeks more will not change anything. With all due respect important
is the constitution!

To be a lasting and useful time honoured constitution, most becessary in
my very humble opinion is just the CLEAR DEFINITION of the powers of the
3 Comitia + Senate + BoD and of the magistracies:
Couldn't be since now foreseen and resolved clearly, and painlessly most
conflicts which later could alienate citizens and destroy the
organization?

For the areas where competencies do not overlap there is no problem,
but where they overlap the system is bound to confusion, abuse, and
disaster in such a complex system, if at least there is not a very very
clear hierarchy, just like a chain of command.


Most respectfully
Valete!
Marcus Prometheus Decius Golia
Italicus, NR applicant from Dacia

Subject:	Re: In re constitutionis: de comitiis I
From:	Marcus Prometheus fresco@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:45:29 +0300

> > From: Dav--------eadows <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114232192237248190028232203026129208071" >dmeadows@--------</a>
> > There is a potential problem here: what precedence to each of these
> > comitia take?
> > What will happen, e.g., when a law is passed by the comitia
> > centuriata and a contrary (or 'troublesome') law is passed by one
> > of the other comitia?


Dictator answered:
> ...... I've added a line to the list of legal precidences that says "Should
> a law passed by one comitia contradict one passed by another or the same
> comitia without explicitly superceding that law, the most recent law shall
> take precedence." Thus, there's something of an automatic intercessio
> exercised by one comitia over the others.
>
> Bear in mind, too, that the Tribunes have the power to invalidate any law
> passed by a comitia they deem unconstitutional, and that the comitia
> themselves are going to be made up of just about the same people (the
> exception of course being the comitia plebis tributa).
>
> It's not perfect, but I really wanted to avoid alienating all the plebs or
> all the most active citizens (for instance) by putting the comitia that
> favors them under the others.


Most respectfully from M.Prometheus applicant to NR
To the dictator and all NR citzens

Really most respectfully, a big big doubt :

What could be more alienating of these two ?
* not to see recognized some points being interpretable
as rigths or powers written in the constitution ?
or
** to have a clear set of rigths and powers perhaps just
smaller than desirable ?


Valete! M. Prometheus

Subject:	Fwd: Re: Ludi Apollinares - winners into the camenaeum
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:40:39 -0400 (EDT)

DEXIPPUS---DO NOT ERASE!!!!

Salve Citizens;

I sent this letter out once before and have gotten only one reply.. I am
not much of a poet, and have few skills in Original Composition.
However, as the new Editor of the Eagle I would be most pleased to print
the subject submissions in the Eagle, should you wish me to do so. I
was forced to discard them from my net when they were first sent because
of my limted correspondance space, which was before I was selcted to be
the Editor. I ask that the individuals who submitted the originals as
well as the people who ran the contest please consider this most sincere
request. If the marterial is no longer available, or some problem
exists in providing it, I would like to know as well.

Vale Citizens;
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Lictores curiati was Constitution and Help Wanted
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:56:59 -0400

Salvete Dictator Flavi Vedi et alii



>From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> >

CMM->> ii) Incluson of it in the Germanican constitution has the functional
>effect
>> not of recreating the original comitia curiata that might have
functioned,
>> let's say, in Lefty Scaevola's time, but rather of introducing a fourth
>> assembly to our full line of three assemblies, not one of which could be
>> formed throughout Nova Roma's pre-Dictatorial history (for various
>debatable
>> "historical" reasons); this fourth assembly will work, if at all, like
>the
>> one that was left over in Cicero's time -- only for ceremony.
>
FVG->Actually, the comitia curiata was in the original Constitution (albeit
made
>up of its own system of tribes). I have replaced a second, superfluous
tribe
>system with a simple body of 30 appointees. It's the comitia populi tributa
>that's the new addition, and something that should have been in there from
>the beginning.

CMM-While the comitia curiata was mentioned in the old constitution, curiata
was not listed in Article III, the one defining the assemblies of Nova Roma.
It seems that comitia curiata was in an earlier draft of the constitution,
then dropped in revision before it was put up on the website. If you go
back to the old official consitution, you will find that there is no
language defining the comitia curiata, only one or two hanging references to
it.
>
CMM->> iii) You say now that it's a good thing because it allows more people
to
>> have titles. Well, those titles will be empty, because the functions
that
>> they will denote will be empty. I don't think that it's healthy to
assign
>> people meaningless titles. It makes them think that they are doing
>> something when they are not, belonging to something when they don't.
>
FVG->I would disagree that something that's purely ceremonial is necessarily
>"meaningless".

CMM-There is of course a time and place to engage in the purely ceremonial.
I think that the constitution needn't create an assembly with a purely
ceremonial role.
>
>
FVG->You are mistaking the lictores curiata for the lictores. They were
different
>offices. The lictores curiata did not bear the fasces, as far as I know.
>They certainly formed a separate decury...

CMM-If you read my post, you noted that I said that I had heard you make
this distinction, and yes, the distinction is there in the constitution and
laws. But my concers about the connotations of the title "lictor" still
stand. And again, why wouldn't you consider replacing the title "lictor
curiatus" with "curia"?
>
CMM->> -- M Papirius Iustus pointed out that the comitia curiata was used as
a
>tool
>> in the late republic/principate to pass the "laws" that killed the
>republic
>> in everything but name. This makes perfect sense: let's write up a law

>
FVG->Except for the fact that the comitia curiata can't pass laws.

CMM-It cannot on Day 1, but how about a couple of years from now? The
existence of a basically extraneous assembly may create a movement to invest
more meaning into that assembly, particularly because this extraneous
assembly will be made up not of the general citizenry but of a club.

FVG-All it does is
>invest magistrates with Imperium and witness the appointment of priests and
>the recording of wills.

CMM-Again, it is my opinion (quae esse vilis et inutilis potest, that is,
which may be quite useless) that we don't need an assembly for those
purposes.

FVG-Why do you have such a problem with having a body
>with that function? Is it because it's called a comitia? Because its
members
>are called lictors?

CMM-Both. Plus I see those functions as unnecessary within the framework of
Nova Roma's assemblies.

FVG-You shouldn't let semantics bother you so much.

CMM-You're probably right about that. But there's more than semantics
involved here. You're setting up the institutions of this micronation, and
I'm trying to suggest ways that you could improve on your good work.

FVG-It's a
>vital function-- Imperium is a necessary component of the higher
>magistracies-- and someone has to do it. Those someones are called lictors
>and collectively they're called the comitia curiata.

CMM-Again, I believe that those someones are called voters, voting in the
real assemblies (comitia centuriata, plebis tributa et populi tributa). The
ceremony that I'd like to see is a consular inauguration somewhere in the
real world, with Dexippus taking the auspices and with the new consuls
taking the oath of office before flesh-and-blood witnesses.

>
>Vale,
>
>Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
>Dictator
>
>
Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus
-------------------------------------

Subject:	Re: CMM de lege sub nomine LEX VEDIA RATIO COMITIA CENTURIATA
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:23:21 -0400

Salvete Dictator Flavi Vedi et alii




>From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> >

CMM->> - The specifics on the censors' work tabulating the centuries belong
to
>the
>> other law on the centuriate assembly.
>
FVC->Hmmm... maybe I'm confused. Where is there anything about the censors
>distribution of citizens into centuries here?

I was referring to my own previous comments, which follow again:

- I also would be reassured to see more specifics of the means to be used
to assign points and tabulate citizens in the centuries. Spreadsheets?
Databases? Which ones? This isn't the constitution, and I think that you
needn't hesitate to offer specific instructions here. It will make the work
of the censors easier to undertake, and we shall have more likelihood of
success if there is less invention left until later.

So, I mean that the above details could be included in your other law, which
you had named "LEX GERMANIA CENTURIATA".
>
>Also, on a side note, I've included a clause "Within the first twenty-four
>hours after the convening of the comitia, the right of intercessio or
>nuntiatio may be exercised by those Constitutionally empowered to do so."
>for this and the other two voting comitia and the Senate, just to spell out
>when those powers may be exercised (as in not three days after the fact, or
>something).
>
>Vale,
>
>Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
>Dictator
>
Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Re: Lictores curiati was Constitution and Help Wanted
From:	"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:32:33 -0400

Salvete Dictator Flavi Vedi et alii



>From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> >
MMSM->> From: Mike Ma--------r <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a>
>>
>> What's the source for lictores curiati as a separate body? My roman law
>> textbooks tells me that no-one could remember who was in which curia or
>get
>> them together to hold elections, with the result that they just collected
>> the normal lictors and called the representatives of the curia.
>
FVC->OCD p. 860: "Lictors drawn from a separate decury of lictores curiati
>attended certain religious officials and were responsible for the summoning
>of the comitia curiata..."

CMM-So the lictores curiati summoned the comitia curiata? But did they then
participate in it as voters? Or did someone else, curiae or patres curiarum
or something similar?
>

>
FVC->"To invest elected and appointed magistrates with Imperium (which is
>necessary to employ coercitio (the power to compel obedience to his
edicts),
>interpret and execute law, and possess the honor of being preceeded by
>lictors as a symbol of office), without right of refusal individually or as
>a body; "
>
>Thoughts?

CMM-Putting this into the constitution will mitigate some of the potential
problems about which I have been posting. But its effect is to remove all
doubt that the comitia curiata is a purely ceremonial body. I think that
you'd be saving yourself and everyone else in the long run some work just by
scrapping it (comitia curiata).
>
>Vale,
>
>Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
>Dictator
>
Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Re: Aerarium Saturni et cetera
From:	"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:35:51 -0400

Salvete Dictator Flavi Vedi et alii



>From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> >

>I've put my proposed new constitution and laws up there for ease of
perusal.
>I would ask everyone who is interested in the debate (and it _is_ winding
>down, believe me!)

It is? Someone forgot to tell me :).

I would like to offer novaroma email addresses to
>all citizens who occupy public office (just like my address is
><a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>, there could be <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=243075080056078233015158190036129" >aude--------...</a>, ><a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=219166192112158209015158190036129" >caesar@--------</a>, <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=114056219009194233036168066026243088136026139046209" >deciusiu--------@--------</a> (or <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=197166235078158154036168000248006208071048" >palladius@--------</a>), >etc.) It might be a neat perk for taking a position of authority, as well
as
>letting folks easily identify who is and isn't a part of the government.
>What do you think?

That's a great idea.
>
>Valete,
>
>Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
>Dictator
Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Re: Public edicta and intercessio
From:	"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:58:19 -0400

Salvete Dictator Flavi Vedi et alii



>From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> >

>intercessio, but what happens if a magistrate performs some action, then
>waits four days, and then lets people know about it? Has he just trumped
the
>other magistrates' intercessio?

No. We couldn't buy that.
>
>How about this, though. All edicta (the means by which most magistrates
>exercise their powers) must be made in public (on the list, the web site,
>etc.). The new Aerarium Saturni could be used for this purpose.

Yes, we need a law on edicts containing the above. It also should probably
provide a longer timeframe and alternative procedure in the event that the
electronic media are down (website, main list). Perhaps the magistrate
making the edict, if unable to post it the normal way, should then have an
increased timeframe in which to do so, provided that he contact some number
of his/her colleauges (other magistrates) and notify them (in person, by
telephone?) that he has attempted to post an edict and been unable to do
becuase a server is down or whatever.

Intercessio
>could then be pronounced within 72 hours of the publication of the edicta.

Sounds good. But the separate law on intercessio should probably also
account for the possible failure of the normal media. I had intended to
write up a law on intercessio for your review, but then I was too busy
reading the new constitution and accompanying laws.
>
>What do you think?

Sounds like you have identified two more leges that need to be written
before you can step down :).
>
>Valete,
>
>Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
>Dictator

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus
>
>

Subject:	Re: de onera constitutionis
From:	Marcus Prometheus <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230212192112185190015225190036129" >--------co@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 21:46:10 +0300

David Meadows wrote:
>
> From: Dav--------eadows <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114232192237248190028232203026129208071" >dmeadows@--------</a>
> ...... Having more than one legislative
> body with ill defined methods of voting and general definitions of what
> their sphere of influence is, legislatively speaking, a recipe for
> revolution. Indeed, had these comitia -- as defined in the constituion --
> been in existence prior to the recent troubles, it seems to me a likely
> situation that a revolution of sorts might have legally taken place via one
> or more of the comitia.
> respecte,
> M. Papirius Justus
>

Most respectfully from M.Prometheus applicant to NR
To the dictator, to M.Papirius Justus and to all citzens

Perhaps above is the core of the problem, much more than the inclusion
of voting
details in the constitution

Valete! M. Prometheus

Subject:	Re: de intercessione
From:	Marcus Prometheus <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230212192112185190015225190036129" >--------co@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 21:46:23 +0300

> > From: Mike Ma--------r <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a>
> > The interesting points are (1) the veto is to be used without a
> > citzen's application only against one's colleague in office (Duumvir
> > against duumvir, aedile against aedile, etc). Other vetos depend on
> > application by a citizen.

> Now HERE's something interesting! Could some of our other experts (or
> anyone else) comment? It sounds like a perfect compromise to me; collegial
> intercessio at will, but needing a citizens' application for use against
> other "levels" of magistrates. I like it!


Most respectfully from M.Prometheus applicant to NR
To the dictator and all citzens

A doubt: wouldn't be too easy for a magistrate to ask a fellow citizen
just to raise the issue ?
If the problem is considered of any importance perhaps it is not solved.

Valete! M. Prometheus

Subject:	Re: Ludi Apollinares - camenaeum
From:
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:36:44 -0700

This is Marius using Sulla's Puter

Salve, Minuci Audens, et salvete omnes!

Umm...I'm kinda-sorta out of town for the next couple of weeks...as in
WAAAYYY out of town; your 2nd-favorite Dallas resident (look, Ma: no hubris!
>({|;-) ) is typing this on a friend's computer in southern Calif., and
day after tomorrow I'll be in Hawaii. Ergo, I shall have a little trouble
getting much of anything to much of anybody....at least until I find a
cheap, reliable place to jack in my 386 that Rules the Earth! (Well, my
corner of it anyway.) A roaming-access # that actually works would also be
a Good Thing...

(Phew...I'm glad I'm not one of the new Senators; talk about deadline
troubles!)

> I sent this letter out once before and have gotten only one reply...I ask
> that the individuals who submitted the originals as well as the people
> who ran the contest please consider this most sincere request. If the
> material is no longer available, or some problem exists in providing it,
> I would like to know as well.

You Have Been Briefed! >({|;-)

-- L Marius Fimbria on the weekends

Subject:	(no subject)
From:	Daniel Dreesbach <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114212192056099202169102046248100208071048" >dreesbach@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:45:28 -0400 (EDT)

> Salvete Flavius Vedius Germanicus,Dictator
I have made some attempts to be appointed to a few jobs but I have
not recieved anything back on it yet.



> Valete
G Iunius Germanus

Subject:	Re: (no subject)
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:16:30 -0400 (EDT)

Salve, Germanus;

I hasten to remind you that the Dictator Germanicus is in the throes of
completing the constitution, as well as working with several people in
hammering out specific articles.

I respectfully suggest that you direct your inquiry to the Consul
Palladius to introduce yourself and to get and provide requirements and
qualifications. He is in touch with the Dictator and as the ranking
magistrate below Dictatoer Germanicus may have alittlemore time to
provide information on this topic.

If you cannot contact Consul Palladius, then I will be glad to relay
such information.

Vale, Germanus;
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Name of decree about colleges of pontifices and augurs
From:	"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:07:55 -0400

Salvete Dictator Flavi Vedi et alii

How about

Decretum de Pontificum et Augurum Collegiis

?

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Re: Re: Constitution and Help Wanted
From:
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:42:54 EDT

Salve!

I, like my brother, aspire to do my civic duty please inform us of the
possibilities.

Gaius Severus Marius

Subject:	Re: law: Inner consistency
From:
Date:	Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:30:03 -0700

Salvete, omnes.

I believe Decius Golia has put very well some of the points that have been bothering me
about the proposed constitution. His words are more politic than mine have been. I am
particularly thinking of the parts of his post concerning the need for a clear chain of
command and and responsibility tree. Yes. I know the ancient Roman one was not clear (it
was only less complicated than Cleopatra's family tree ;-), and the idea of experimenting
with a Roman system of government is what we want to do on the political side of Nova
Roma. But we should have the lines of responsibility and prerogative drawn out in
writing. Including those parts where the over lapping IS not clean and clear cut.
Remember that Roman government and law Grew -- from those (almost neolithic) villages on
those hills by that river. We modern folks do a lot better with a rule book. The clearer
the better.

Quoting in its entirety for reference sake, and out of work related exhaustion:



Marcus Prometheus wrote:

<-------- size=-1 color="#008000">> From: Marcus Prometheus <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230212192112185190015225190036129" >--------co@--------</a>
>
> Salvete Cives Novae Romae, Patres et Conscripti,
> Salve Flavi Vedi Germanici Dictator
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:
> >
> > One thing still very much up in the air: the length of time used for debate
> > and voting in the Senate. I'd like to nail it down to a set time period...
>
> With humble excuses for intervening while not yet a NR citizen,
> (but the Dictator always asked "everybody's" comments)
>
> Everybody can see that you Flavius Vedius Germanicus are a working and
> achieving Dictator in the best ROMAN REPUBLICAN sense and you want to
> return the Republic to normal institutional rule, and to return yourself
> soonest to your field (like ancient Cincinnatus), but until you are
> receiving such valuable inputs as those from G.Marius Merullus,
> M.Minucius Audens, M.Mucius Scaevola, M.Papirius Justus, C.Aelius
> Ericius and others too, which are appreciated as usable and included
> indeed by yourself, the usefulness of keeping open the debate is
> manifest.
>
> Honored Dictator! When suggestions appreciated by yourself Flavius
> Vedius Germanicus will dry up the constitution and lex which will bear
> your name will be done.
> Everybody appreciates your desire to return to normality after just 3
> weeks of Dictatorship, as a sign of abhorrence of tyranny but a few days
> or weeks more will not change anything. With all due respect important
> is the constitution!
>
> To be a lasting and useful time honoured constitution, most becessary in
> my very humble opinion is just the CLEAR DEFINITION of the powers of the
> 3 Comitia + Senate + BoD and of the magistracies:
> Couldn't be since now foreseen and resolved clearly, and painlessly most
> conflicts which later could alienate citizens and destroy the
> organization?
>
> For the areas where competencies do not overlap there is no problem,
> but where they overlap the system is bound to confusion, abuse, and
> disaster in such a complex system, if at least there is not a very very
> clear hierarchy, just like a chain of command.
>
>
> Most respectfully
> Valete!
> Marcus Prometheus Decius Golia
> Italicus, NR applicant from Dacia
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