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Re: Governmental Email |
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dean6886@--------) |
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Thu, 29 Jul 1999 01:46:05 -0500 (CDT) |
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I would really like <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=132233014009175132169158203179129208071" >Domitian@--------</a>
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
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Re: CMM de Senatus Ultimo Consulto was New in the aerarium Saturnii |
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Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
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Thu, 29 Jul 1999 03:33:36 -0400 (EDT) |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Gaius Marius Merullus wrote:
> From: "Gaius Marius Merullus" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
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> Salvete Dictator Flavi Vedi et alii
Salve G. Mari Merulle,
> Well, that was an awfully big piece to stick in at the end, don't you think?
>
> With all due respect, why did you decide to put this provision into the
> constitution?
It was put there with the knowledge born from painful experience that Nova
Roma will have yet more crises and that there should be constitutional
means to deal with it without having to resort to a dictatorship. As
Lucius Cornelius has said, Germanicus has done an excellent job, exceeding
everyone's expectations. Still, appointing a dictator is a last resort.
The Senatus Consultum Ultimum is a way to sidestep the ultimate and
drastic final step of a dictatorship. There are several advantages to the
S.C.U.:
1. Restraint. Absolute power is given to the Consuls to deal with a
specific situation only. This power is given to *both* consuls, so they
are still subject to their collegiate veto, as well as review by the
Senate.
2. The Constitution is protected. While the consuls acting under this
clause may be able to temporarily suspend the Constitution, they cannot
make any permanent changes to it. A good comparison to the
"macroworld" could be temporary martial law during rioting.
3. It is not a dictatorship. The word dictator carries a great deal of
baggage to modern ears, even to Nova Romans. Hopefully we will never need
to appoint another. With luck and the help of the Gods, the Senatus
Consultum Ultimum will never need to be used either. It is there if needed
though, a means of quick response to a dire situation but with a great
deal more restraint on those who bear the power.
Vale,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul
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| Subject: |
Absentee Balloting |
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"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:45:52 -0500 |
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Salvete,
I was thinking about it and I talked to Don about it and I almost
didn't reply, but I figured Germanicus either meant it when he
asked for feedback or was just tempting me <G>.
What about some sort of absentee ballot? If the election is on the
Ides of November then all ballots must be postmarked no later than
this date, received no later than, say the 20th of November? I
know this may be difficult for some people (I am a born and bred
Chicagoian and know what the Postmasters in that city are
capable of <G>. I am still awaiting a birthday card a friend sent me
-- for my 14th birthday <G>), but it might be the best way to
include people. Perhaps voting could take a week or so (7 to 10
days before the Ides). Votes postmarked before the beginning of
the voting week and votes postmarked after the end of the voting
week would be ignored. Ballots could be printed out and mailed
around the Ides of September, giving people plenty of time to
receive the ballot. The vote counters would have to be, I would
think, wither a group from the east or the west coast (as there
seems to be the greatest concentration of citizens there. They
could meet for coffee after work or something on the Ides and count
the votes. Or the votes could be counted as they came in. This
leaves a lot of responsibility on the vote counter, who must be
(IMHO) 1. Trustworthy and 2. Not running for any office (this may
basically destroy the whole east coast/west coast plan however
<G>). Perhaps a Priest or someone like that could count the votes
(one who isn't running for anything -- I would call on Dex if I thought
for a second he had the time, but I would dare say he
didn't/doesn't).
Let me guess? "She's REALLY flipped THIS time!!"
Crys
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| Subject: |
Re: Re:Priesthood Application/Sadness |
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Diana/Orbianna proserpina@-------- |
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Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:01:32 -0400 |
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Salvete,
We obviously have been given a very virtuous, dedicated, and selfless
Priestess to Iuno. I thank the gods that her path led her to us here in
Nova Roma. Ave, Crys!
Valete and Bright Blessings,
Orbianna
Iustina Luciania Orbianna
Gens Luciania
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| Subject: |
Re:CAE de DIP de CMM de Senatus Ultimo Consulto was New in the aerarium Saturnii |
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Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:43:02 -0700 |
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As you may assume, I am in agreement with G Marius Merullus on the Ultimate Decree. I'll
snip the bulk of the previous post and get to a point I have a further comment on.
Decius Iunius Palladius wrote:
> 3. It is not a dictatorship. The word dictator carries a great deal of
> baggage to modern ears, even to Nova Romans. Hopefully we will never need
> to appoint another. With luck and the help of the Gods, the Senatus
> Consultum Ultimum will never need to be used either. It is there if needed
> though, a means of quick response to a dire situation but with a great
> deal more restraint on those who bear the power.
Yes, "dictator (-ship)" does carry a great deal of baggage, and unless we are to be a
re-enactment group instead of reconstruction for the present times we do have to own up to
that baggage. On the other hand the Ultimate Decree was considered by the ancient Romans
to be more extreme than their constitutional dictatorship. It was. I have posted my
opinions against including the Senatus Consultum Ultimum in our constitution before, I
will not repeat them. I have, in the past election, mentioned appointing a dictator for
an emergency (I was thoroughly jumped on by people who were afraid of the Dictator getting
carried away and changing the Constitution and such. [VBEG] ) It would obviously be
outrageous to issue the Ultimate Decree to deal with an election problem.
A side note: I'm sure someone will come up with the exceptions to the generalization I am
going to make.
A dictatorship was never popular with the ancient Romans (this emphasizes the People)
unless it was to deal with a threat like a foreign invasion. The outside attack that
unifies all elements.
Scutum up!
C. Aelius Ericius.
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