| Subject: |
Re: Various Edicta (Important!) |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 01:17:33 -0400 |
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Salvete Omnes,
>From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>
>As legally appointed dictator of Nova Roma, I hereby issue the following
>edicta:
>
>3) A general amnesty is hereby declared for all citizens of Nova Roma for
>their actions leading up to the interregnum, during it, and during my
tenure
>as dictator. No prosecutions, public or private, shall be pursued for any
>crimes or misdeeds, real or perceived, conducted in such context.
Lucius Equitius: How does one reconcile the inconsistency in these
statements?
If there is a "general amnesty", then I should be completely reinstated to
all offices and citizenship.
>4) Pursuant to #3 above, Lucius Equitus Cincinnatus may, should he wish,
>inform the censors should he wish to once again become a citizen of Nova
>Roma. Should he do so, he shall immediately be placed on the album
>senatorium, and the collegium pontificum shall consider his appointment as
>Flamen Martiales, according to their rules for debate and voting, within
>thirty days. He has indicated his desire not to run for elected office, and
>I take him at his word.
Lucius Equitius: I am planning on devoting my time to the Religio.
>I shall be issuing a final statement regarding the changes I have
>implemented and my term as dictator...
>Valete,Flavius Vedius Germanicus,Dictator
Lucius Equitius: Why was I singled out for persecution?
Mars nos protegis!
Valete, L Equitius Cincinnatus
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| Subject: |
Consular Statement; Appointments |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 01:35:57 -0400 (EDT) |
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Ave, Flavius Vedius Germanicus! The task you took upon yourself was
enormous, the result monumental. The Senate and the People of Nova Roma
owe you a boundless debt of gratitude. What you have done in these past
four weeks approaches a second Founding of Nova Roma, and was more
difficult in many ways. It shall not be forgotten. Ave!
Salvete, the Senate and People of Nova Roma!
As I said in a recent statement to you, now the difficult part begins,
because the task goes from one set of shoulders to many. Flavius Vedius
Germanicus has helped Nova Roma back to her feet through a gargantuan
effort. It is now our job to keep her going and to keep her strong. I have
every confidence that together we will do just that!
To the Senate of the New Rome:
I will convene the Senate at the beginning of the week, at some point
*after* 2359 (11:59 PM) this Sunday night, August 1, to review and ratify
the actions of Flavius Vedius Germanicus. I hereby charge the Augurs of
Nova Roma to find the most auspicious day of this coming week to begin
deliberations and report the results to me forthwith. All deliberations
will be held o--------e se-------- list, <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=061056234237175198015158190036129" >se--------@--------</a> u--------s I i--------m you
otherwise. I will send out a test message shortly to make sure it is
working. All senators please respond when you receive it. If you have not
received any such message by 12 Noon Saturday, please let the webmaster,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus, know immediately.
After the ratification is complete, I shall ask the Augurs for the most
auspicious date for the Comitia Centuriatia to be convened, within a
period of time I specify, so that the election for the open seat of
consul may be held, as well as anything else that may come before it.
Other statements; appointments:
Let me congratulate all the people appointed by Germanicus to their new
posts. Let me especially congratulate Lucia Maria Fimbria for her
appointment to curatrix sermo (However, I don't think the term moderator
is going away any time soon!). She has proven herself dedicated to Nova
Roma and the Roman way for a long time. She will excel in the post!
Let me also give hearty congratulations to Marcus Minucius Audens for his
reappointment to the position of Tribunis Militarium and the leadership of
the Sodalitas Militarium. You have been missed at your post!
Appointments:
By the powers vested in me by the newly enacted Constitution, I hereby
make the following appointments:
As Consul, I appoint Marcus Minucius Audens to the post of consular
assensi, my personal assistant, whose primary but not necesarily
sole duties in this regard shall be budgetary. He is one of our most
capable citizens and I feel fortunate, and quite honored really, that he
is willing to help me in this capacity.
As Censor, I hereby appoint Spurius Lusorius Obitus Maximus to the post of
censorial scriba, my personal assistant, to assist me with the citizens
list, processing applications and any other business that may come before
the censors.
My congratulations and thanks to both these capable people!
May the Gods of Rome guide our Republic.
In Service to Rome,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul and Censor of Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
A Correction |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 02:01:15 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salvete! I just wanted to correct the spelling of a word in my statement.
Marcus Minucius Audens has been appointed to the position of accensus
(plural accensi), not asseni.
My apologies to Marcus Minucius and to you all for this error.
Valete,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul
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Non scholae sed vitae discimus.
Seneca
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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"
Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.
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| Subject: |
Re: de Senatus Ultimo Consulto/Gratias |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 02:10:07 EDT |
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In a message dated 7/30/1999 7:29:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> writes:
<< How many times did the Senate of Republican Rome issue the Senatus
Consultum
Ultimum? 3, 4 times?<<
Salve Gaius Marius Merullus!
The Consultum was used to replace the appointment of the Dictatorship by my
research. It is not mentioned in the middle republic by Livy. There
according to Livy the Consul would nominate the officer and the Senate would
vote. In the Consultum the Principus Senatus (Speaker) would nominate the
officer.
>> The only instance of which I can think was during consulship of M. Tullius
Cicero, to put down the Catilinarian conspiracy, right?<<
The problem is that the SUC had several names. The proper name was Senatus
Consultum de Republica defendenda.
SCdR was used:
1) C. Gracchus. -
2) The grain revolt of Saturninus and Glaucia (100 BCE),
3) against Sulla (83),
4) against Lepidus (77),
5) against Catiline (63),
6) the disturbances of Metellus Nepo in 62
7) Clodius attempts in 52.
When Cicero changed it to the SUC
1) against G. Julius Caesar in 49
2) against M. Caelius Rufis 48
3) Dolabella's uprising in 47
5) against M. Antonius 43
6) against Octavian later 43
7) It was last employed against Salvidienus Rutus in 40.
Octavian eliminated it from the Senate when he came to power.
As for crises, isn't it better to be forearmed then unarmed?
Vale
I would like to congratulate and thank Flavius Vedius on a difficult job well
done.
However I must point out that the job is not over yet. ALL of NR now must
pull together to complete the reorganization of the Micro republica. There
must be no slackers and no excuses! Vedius and Cassius' dream must be
carried out to its fulfillment. Otherwise we have ALL just been wasting time
here. And I for one hate to waste time!
Valete!
Q Fabius Maximus
Curule Aedile
Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
Re: Various Edicta (Important!) |
| From: |
JusticeCMO@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 02:33:03 EDT |
|
In a message dated 7/30/99 10:35:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------es:
<< Also, may I be so bold as to thank your lovely wife for her forebearance
and patience during this ordeal. The heavy tasks sometimes fall hard
upon those we cherish, and she has in my eyes at least, maintained a
balance very well in all this. I congratulate both yourself and her and
again yourself for the wise selection of such a special one as your
lovely wife. >>
Your kind words are *very* much appreciated!!! ::smile:: This time has not
been an easy one for our family, but one in which I gladly understood that my
husband's pre-occupation must be with Nova Roma.
:) Priscilla Vedia Serena
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| Subject: |
Re: Various Edicta (Important!) |
| From: |
K--------e Ariadne <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200028091056078198169061186140081090177098100046209130" >k--------eariadne@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 06:25:03 -0700 (PDT) |
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--- Flavius Vedius Germa--------s <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
Salvete!
> As legally appointed dictator of Nova Roma, I hereby issue the following
> edicta:
> 3) A general amnesty is hereby declared for all citizens of Nova Roma for
> their actions leading up to the interregnum, during it, and during my tenure
> as dictator. No prosecutions, public or private, shall be pursued for any
> crimes or misdeeds, real or perceived, conducted in such context.
Pax in Nova Roma... that would truly be wonderful. Tibi gratias ago,
Germanicus! As a citizen, I greatly appreciate this ruling, and hope that it
works out for everyone.
It is my sincere wish that every citizen regard others within the Republic as
both a friend and a loyal partner to make the best of Nova Roma. We would not
be here if it were not to help make Nova Roma strong!
> 4) Pursuant to #3 above, Lucius Equitus Cincinnatus may, should he wish,
> inform the censors should he wish to once again become a citizen of Nova
> Roma. Should he do so, he shall immediately be placed on the album
> senatorium, and the collegium pontificum shall consider his appointment as
> Flamen Martiales, according to their rules for debate and voting, within
> thirty days. He has indicated his desire not to run for elected office, and
> I take him at his word.
This is wonderful news, and I'm sure that others will agree with me. Euge,
Cincinnatus! Welcome back. :)
And congratulations to those who were bestowed positions within Nova Roma.
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| Subject: |
Re: Digest Number 496 |
| From: |
David Meadows dmeadows@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 09:34:41 -0400 |
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At 07:16 AM 31/07/1999 -0000, Q. Fabius Maximus scripsit:
The Consultum was used to replace the appointment of the Dictatorship by my
research. It is not mentioned in the middle republic by Livy. There
according to Livy the Consul would nominate the officer and the Senate would
vote. In the Consultum the Principus Senatus (Speaker) would nominate the
officer.
Respondeo:
Could you enlighten in regards to your research about the dictatorship? I
was also under the impression that the SCU was a simple declaration to the
consuls (i.e. not specifed/nominated) that they ensure that the state came
to no harm.
Scripsit:
The problem is that the SUC had several names. The proper name was Senatus
Consultum de Republica defendenda.
Respondeo:
Do you have a reference for this use? I confess to never having seen it
before.
Scripsit:
<snip>
When Cicero changed it to the SUC
Quaero: how could *Cicero* change it?
Scripsit:
Octavian eliminated it from the Senate when he came to power.
Quaero:
How?
Scripsit:
As for crises, isn't it better to be forearmed then unarmed?
Respondeo:
Howzabout simply declaring a iustitium -- it could be used as a cooling off
period; personally I don't see why the senate would need constitutional
authorization to pass a piece of legislation, which is what the SCU is,
unless our senate isn't considered to have the same auctoritas as its
antiquior counterpart ...
M. Papirius Justus
Civis Novaromanus
Paterfamilias gentis Papiriae
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| Subject: |
yes |
| From: |
william wheeler wuffa@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 07:22:41 -0700 |
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salve M.Cornelius Felix semds greeting to all
Oh I also accept my appointment as Lcitor Curiata.
vale
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| Subject: |
yes i know |
| From: |
william wheeler wuffa@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 07:44:16 -0700 |
|
I know some of you will see this a # of times
But it needs to get out to as many people as we can get it out too.
CoG is trying to estimate the number of Pagans
and/or Witches in the US. If you fall into that
category, you can find the on-line census at
<a href="http://www.cog.org/cogpoll.html" target="_top" >http://www.cog.org/cogpoll.html</a>
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| Subject: |
Re: Applications for Priesthood! |
| From: |
Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 07:50:03 -0700 (PDT) |
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--- Flavius Vedius Germa--------s <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> wrote:
Salve!
> > I did this, and had my email returned to me, "user unknown." I copied and
> > pasted the email exactly as it was from the website.
> Try it -------- There was a temporary problem with the <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=197233234165082131036102163219114090071048139" >po--------ices@--------</a>
> address. Now, if you use the form, all should be well. :-)
Thanks! It works wonderfully. I sent out the app before the form was
introduced on the website, but I've sent out an additional email to clarify
certain points that I felt needed addressing.
I heard about the commotion with the web issues, and the efforts that were made
to repair them. As a web developer, tibi gratias ago! Your work is
appreciated; I understand all about fighting to get important code and dealing
with server issues all too well. I spent all of last week fighting with Cold
Fusion. I am now an expert at CFFTP tags, albeit the hard way; inquire within.
:^)
While I'm at it and on the subject, I would also like to thank the Pontifices
for giving me a second chance regarding my priesthood application. I
understand that there have been a great many communication problems, a lot of
which I attest to this horrible medium called "email." It is my hope that this
situation works itself out, and I know that it will resolve itself in time.
Valete et khairete,
Andrea Gladia Kyrinia
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| Subject: |
Re: Various Edicta (Important!) |
| From: |
DTibbe2926@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 11:35:40 EDT |
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Salvete omnes,
I accept my appointment as Lictore Curiata.
It certainly came as a surprise.
Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus
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| Subject: |
Re: Various Edicta (Important!) |
| From: |
BenBorgo@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:35:31 EDT |
|
Salvete Omnes,
Congradulations to all, especially Germanicus who has, for the most part,
done an absolutly wonderful job. Ave Germanicus! And I am honored to accept
my appointment as Lictor Curiata.
Valete,
Gnaeus Tarquinius Caesar
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| Subject: |
Re: yes i know |
| From: |
Mia Soderquist tuozine@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:24:53 -0400 |
|
May I forward this to another list just chock full o' pagans?
william wheeler wrote:
>
> From: w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a>
>
> I know some of you will see this a # of times
> But it needs to get out to as many people as we can get it out too.
>
> CoG is trying to estimate the number of Pagans
> and/or Witches in the US. If you fall into that
> category, you can find the on-line census at
> <a href="http://www.cog.org/cogpoll.html" target="_top" >http://www.cog.org/cogpoll.html</a>
>
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ICQ 19818811 or 5926593
Ari tefeli ceyijei eisu ceitisa yei ari sivai ceigaiyu.
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| Subject: |
New Citizen from Austria |
| From: |
RexMarcius@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:53:44 EDT |
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Salvete cives Novae Romae!
Marcus Marcius Rex vos salutat!
Yesterday a mere barbarian (of an Austrian tribe) not even living in a
province of Nova Roma, today a proud new citizen of this Republic. I will try
to do my utmost to meet the demands and duties such an honour entails.
It seems, that I have been enrolled into the citizenship lists by the Censors
at times of a serious crisis...what the reasons behind this crisis were, I
still do not fully understand, but pax et concordia seem eventually to have
arrived (and I hope I can read all about it in the Annals of Nova Roma soon).
My sincere admiration for the work of Flavius Vedius Germanicus Dictator
then, who seems to have become not only (one of) the first but also the
second founder of the Republic. In my analysis of his new Constitution he has
done the one thing that was really missing from the first one and I do not
mean the inclusion of explicit emergency clauses that have to be in any
constitution worth its name.
No, I am rather referring to the fact, that the dictator has given the
Constitution GUARDIANS in the form of the tribunes of the Plebs. According to
section IV.A.7.a) of the new Constution they have the right (and duty) to a
collegial intercessio against every law or magisterial act that violates "the
spirit and letter" of the Constitution. This practically makes them
constitutional judges as they seem to be the only ones that can - with
authority - interpret the Constitution.
If the tribunes take this duty seriously, I believe that in the future a lot
of what could cause crisis similar to the last one (at least as far as I can
tell from the message board) will be nipped in the bud and no emergency
clauses (Dictator, SCU) need to be set into effect.
About my personal background:
I have always been fascinated by ancient Rome (although a terrible teacher
made me suffer six years of Latin in school). So I really was pleasantly
surprised to discover the Nova Roman site on the web and could not feel but
fascinated by the crisis that will in a few years probably have the same
legendary quality as the crisis following the founding of the ancient Roman
Republic (just think of the treason of the sons of Brutus).
If anyone needs material about Roman sites in Austria, I can gladly offer my
assistance (I think I somewhere read a question about Hallstadt, although I
have nothing to offer about that for the moment).
Thank you all for the warm welcome!
Valete
Marcus Marcius Rex
Post scriptum: My first language is German, in case you need any
translations...
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| Subject: |
Proper name of the SCU |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:34:25 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salvete M. Papiri et Q. Fabi,
On Sat, 31 Jul 1999, David Meadows wrote:
> From: Dav--------eadows <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114232192237248190028232203026129208071" >dmeadows@--------</a>
> Respondeo:
>
> Could you enlighten in regards to your research about the dictatorship? I
> was also under the impression that the SCU was a simple declaration to the
> consuls (i.e. not specifed/nominated) that they ensure that the state came
> to no harm.
>
> Scripsit:
> The problem is that the SUC had several names. The proper name was Senatus
> Consultum de Republica defendenda.
It is very difficult to even find a reference to this so-called proper
name. Most references, including the OCD, call it the Senatus Consultum
Ultimum.
> Respondeo:
> Do you have a reference for this use? I confess to never having seen it
> before.
>
> Scripsit:
> <snip>
>
> When Cicero changed it to the SUC
>
> Quaero: how could *Cicero* change it?
As far as I know, Cicero is not credited with changing it except by
Colleen McCullough. While McCullough is a fair writer and a
decent researcher, she is *not* a historian. I have heard, Fabius, that
currently you are reading Fortune's Favorites (or just finished it) and
possibly had that in mind (a good clue was your wording about the "proper
name was SC Re pub., Defendenda" that is straight out of McCullough's
glossary, almost word for word) . As McCullough herself admits, however,
it is just a guess on her part that she convieniently put into her story
because it helped the way she wished to portray Cicero and the period.
(her portrayal is biased to say the least) If you have another reference
to Cicero being credited with changing the title, I would like to know
what it is. Caesar himself also used the title SCU (he called it
the ultimum senatus consultum), in Book 1.5 of the Civil War.
I would appreciate any references to the other title, since most
reference books and histories make no mention of any title other
than Senatus Consultum Ultimum. Considering how unwieldy the other title
is, I can see why it would have been changed, and why the more well-known
title has come down to us in general use. If Cicero did change it, which
I have not heard that he did, then he should have been commended.
Valete,
D. Iunius Palladius
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Non scholae sed vitae discimus.
Seneca
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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"
Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.
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| Subject: |
Ianus's Association with Water |
| From: |
Jenni Hunt moonloon@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 17:52:11 -0400 |
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Before I introduce this topic, I would like to express my gratitude to
Dictator, Flavius Vedius Germanicus, whom I trust to have restored Nova
Roma's organization and our future. I have been hovering in the background
for over a year now and have finally applied for and been awarded
citizenship, now that Nova Roma seems to be returning to less troublesome
times. Now that this particular political crisis seems to be winding down,
I'd like to begin introducing questions and problems I've been encountering
in my research and practice over the past year or two.
I have a question I've been trying to answer for some time about Ianus and
how he seems to be associated with water. It began when I was explaining
at a workshop how the doors of the Temple of Ianus Geminus were left opened
during times of war and closed only during periods of Pax Romana. Someone
asked me why, and I didn't know the answer. Upon thinking about it, the
opposite made more sense to me, so I began trying to find out why.
A couple sources I have explain that during a war with Titus Tatius, an
inexplicable gush of hot water came out of the door, pushing back the enemy
and allowing the Romans to successfully defend their city. I'm not even
sure who Titus Tatius was or what time period this may have been, except
that it had to have been before 179 BCE when the shrine was moved. The
only reference I find to one with that name refers to the Sabine king of
Cures who captured Rome and later ruled along with Romulus -- could this
really be the same person?? Nor have I seen any citations to primary
sources referencing this anecdote (although that's probably just because I
don't have them at hand).
Moreover, in Scullard's _History of the Roman World_, there is a footnote
about Ianus citing L.A. Holland's _Janus and the Bridge_ in which he argues
that Ianus was a numen attached to water-crossings. Another author
explains the Temple of Ianus Geminus door opening/closing by associating
Ianus with bridges; the bridge was removed during times of war and replaced
during times of peace. Again, I find no citations to primary sources to
back this up (of course, I do not have copies of the books from which this
information is culled), so I'm still skeptical.
I'm hoping that someone reading this list will have better knowledge of
primary sources than I do and will be able to steer me in the right
directions to investigate this association, or a better knowledge of
history than I do who can give me a better reference to the war with Titus
Tatius.
Jenn--------nt <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029233253185018190112158203026129208071" >moonloon@--------</a>
Teacher, writer, secretary, and *still* Friend of Cows
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| Subject: |
Roman Birthdays |
| From: |
Jenni Hunt moonloon@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 17:58:56 -0400 |
|
Salvete, omnes!
Here's another question I have been pondering: How did Romans celebrate
birthdays? I know that the birthday of the emperor was a holiday when
people would toast his genius and that the family celebrated the birthday
of the paterfamilias along those same lines, but were individual birthdays
generally celebrated? Were presents exchanged? Has anyone ever seen a
reference in Latin texts of one wishing "happy birthday" to another?
Just wondering . . .
I. Ovidia Luna
(Jenni Hunt)
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| Subject: |
Re: Roman Birthdays |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:47:53 EDT |
|
In a message dated 7/31/99 6:01:09 PM Eastern Dayl-------- T-------- <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029233253185018190112158203026129208071" >moonloon@--------</a>
writes:
<< Here's another question I have been pondering: How did Romans celebrate
birthdays? I know that the birthday of the emperor was a holiday when
people would toast his genius and that the family celebrated the birthday
of the paterfamilias along those same lines, but were individual birthdays
generally celebrated? Were presents exchanged? Has anyone ever seen a
reference in Latin texts of one wishing "happy birthday" to another?
>>
Salve,
Although I don't have documentation to back this up, I believe that the
Birthday was considered the day of one's Genius, and was considered to be the
most important day of celebration for the individual. Presents were indeed
given, and I *believe* the Romans invented the practice of making a sweet
cake for the person who's birthday it was.
There are undoubtedly letters from one individual to another wishing a happy
birthday. However, the only letter I'm personally familiar with is a letter
found in Britain, in the Fortress/town of Vindolanda. A Roman woman was
writing to a friend in another garrison, inviting her to come for her
birthday celebration. This document is perhaps the most famous letter to come
from the area of Hadrian's Wall.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: New Citizen from Austria |
| From: |
Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:55:01 -0700 (PDT) |
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--- <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=085056131063158209025056228219114253071048139" >RexM--------us@--------</--------; wrote:
> Salvete cives Novae Romae!
Salvete!
> Marcus Marcius Rex vos salutat!
> Yesterday a mere barbarian (of an Austrian tribe) not even living in a
> province of Nova Roma, today a proud new citizen of this Republic. I will try
> to do my utmost to meet the demands and duties such an honour entails.
Ego te saluto! Glad to have you here as a new member. I sincerely hope that
you find your stay here to be every bit as fulfilling and wonderful as you
would like it to be.
> Post scriptum: My first language is German, in case you need any
> translations...
Mine is English, but I do adore languages. Unfortunately, German is not one
that I am personally skilled in, but I can carry on a semi-decent conversation
in French, and am learning Irish, Greek, and Latin at the moment.
Bene est tibi dicere. :)
Valete et khairete,
Andrea Gladia Kyrinia
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| Subject: |
Re: yes i know |
| From: |
Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:56:32 -0700 (PDT) |
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--- Mia Soderquist <a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=189075253209082116184218072036129208" >tuozine@--------</a> wrote:
Salve!
> May I forward this to another list just chock full o' pagans?
It's in the process of being forwarded to several Pagan lists. I've done the
same as well. Please, do so!
Vale et khaire,
Andrea Gladia Kyrinia
> william wheeler wrote:
> > From: w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a>
> >
> > I know some of you will see this a # of times
> > But it needs to get out to as many people as we can get it out too.
> >
> > CoG is trying to estimate the number of Pagans
> > and/or Witches in the US. If you fall into that
> > category, you can find the on-line census at
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| Subject: |
Cincinnatus (long) (was Re: Various Edicta (Important!)) |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Jul 1999 20:18:48 -0400 |
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Salve,
>From Micha--------op--------t;a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>
> If there is a "general amnesty", then I should be completely reinstated to
> all offices and citizenship.
So far as dictator, I've striven to stand above the yipping of my critics on
the issue of Mr. Cope's reinstatement to citizenship. But now, at the end of
my tenure as dictator, I feel I can address the issue and hopefully relegate
it to the dustbin of history.
First of all, no one can be "reinstated" to an office they never held. Last
November's elections were held in a completely unconstitutional manner, and
their results overturned by lawful decretum. Nonetheless, their results did
reflect the will of the People, and I took it upon myself to see to it that
that will was in fact followed by installing (under my authority as
dictator) the winners in their offices, almost to a man.
However, I cannot see installing someone to an office when they have
demonstrated a propensity for attempting to take more power unto themselves
than they are allowed by the constitution. No matter their good intentions,
no matter their being goaded into the act by others, such a man should not
be given authority. I refer here to Mr. Cope's involvement in the attempted
impeachment of the censors.
Remember, this is not a question of whether or not the censors were doing
their jobs. Clearly they weren't, and clearly it was bringing Nova Roma to
the brink of disaster. But neither is it a question of whether those who
sought their removal did so out of pure motives or not. It is a question of
whether the act of removing a serving magistrate was allowed under the
constitution. It clearly was not and is not. The fact that a particularly
vocal and vociferous minority disagree does not alter that fact.
Should a man who sought to subvert the constitution, by undertaking to
remove another magistrate from office be rewarded with an appointment to
service? I say no! A consul should have the highest regard for the absolute
authority of our constitution, and Mr. Cope clearly demonstrated that he did
not during the time he assumed that office.
Thus, I could not, and cannot, see my way clear to appointing him to the
office of consul.
As dictator, I have striven to solicit and accept advice from every corner.
I must add that I've heard from as many (if not more) people who have
favored my actions regarding Mr. Cope as I have heard against them. The
difference is, the people in his camp have larger mouths and shriller voices
(and, I might add, ruder manners). A loud minority remains a minority, and
the law remains the law. I will not appoint a consul who has shown his
willingness to subvert the constitution merely because it's convenient to
him.
> Lucius Equitius: Why was I singled out for persecution?
You were not "persecuted"; you were held to a higher standard. As consul,
you above all other people should have respected the constitution more than
to participate in the absurd scheme to try to impeach a pair of sitting
magistrates, no matter how good the reasons may have seemed at the time. If
anyone should be held to a higher standard, a consul should. You are being
offered a chance to redeem yourself, regain your citizenship, and return to
your avowed devotion to the Gods of Rome. I would honestly urge you to do
so.
Vale,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator
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