| Subject: |
Ave and greetings |
| From: |
Agamedes@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:57:20 EDT |
|
I am new to your list but would like to introduce myself. I am Agamedes an
Equis in the Imperium Antiquitus but interested in Nova Roma as our group has
lately become aware of your existance SALUTATE ! I salute fellow Romans ! .
I am curious, is this mostly an on line community? do you have gatherings?
Acta non verba
Agamedes
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| Subject: |
Re: Proper name of the SCU |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Sun, 1 Aug 1999 04:54:57 EDT |
|
In a message dated 7/31/1999 12:34:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a> writes:
>>I have heard, Fabius, that currently you are reading "Fortune's Favorites"
(or just finished it) and possibly had that in mind (a good clue was your
wording about the "proper name was SC Re pub., Defendenda" that is straight
out of McCullough's
glossary, almost word for word) .
Salve Decius Iunius Palladius
Umm Well no, I haven't completely read "Fortune Favorites." I have started
it, and have gotten as far as Sulla joining up with Magnus. If McCullough
uses it, she probably got it from the same place as I did, Mommeson's "Das
Romische Staatrecht"
I really didn't want to read McCullough. Both Marcus Fabius and Lucius
Cornelius know that I was concerned that she would be very disappointing when
it came to Roman military history, and I know that period quite well. But
since I am writing a novel about Caligula I'd be stupid not to read a best
selling author who is writing about a similar period.
And I was right. She has marvelous grasp of speeches, her characterizations
are very good, but she hasn't a clue how the legiones maneuvered and fought.
By the way, Alfred Duggan's "The sword of pleasure," which covers L.
Cornelius Sulla's career from the Jugurthine War to his death, is a better
novel.
As far as using the "Oxford Classical Dictionary" I prefer to use
"Cambridge's Ancient Histories," these I was raised on, and I know backwards
and forwards.
>>It is very difficult to even find a reference to this so-called proper
name. Most references, including the OCD, call it the Senatus Consultum
Ultimum.<<
I don't know what Oxford copy you have, Decius Iunius, when I hauled out my
Oxford looked up the SUC, lo and behold Arnaldo Momigliano calls it "The
proper name was senatus consultum de re publica defendenda. (Sall Cat .29)
Hmmm. Maybe this is where McCullough got it. Let me check her biblo. Oh she
doesn't have one. So no proof there.
Quaero: how could *Cicero* change it?
Well, I'm guilty of declaring that because I can't write at 2:00 AM However
in " In Catilinam" Marcus Tullius mentions the change in passing. I can't
remember which of the 4 he in which does. Sorry. I'll look into it. Gaius
Julius may have adopted it from one of the speeches.
Vale
Q. Fabius
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| Subject: |
Re: Proper name of the SCU |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 01 Aug 1999 02:22:34 -0700 |
|
And in regards to McCullough, the Ciceronian version of the SCU is discussed in
Caesar's Women, during the Catline Conspiracy. Not in Fortune's Favorite *execpt
in the glossary*...that ends slightly after Spartacus and the first joint
Consulship of Crassius and Pompeius. 7 years before the Catline Conspracy. :)
While it may have been touched upon...in her previous book McCullough really
discusses it during the time when Cicero is trying to get Cataline to admit he is
the gensis of the revolt. On page 388, in Caesar Women (Paperback), last
paragraph she gives the scenario.
L. Cornelius Sulla
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------; wrote:
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>
> In a message dated 7/31/1999 12:34:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a> writes:
> >>I have heard, Fabius, that currently you are reading "Fortune's Favorites"
> (or just finished it) and possibly had that in mind (a good clue was your
> wording about the "proper name was SC Re pub., Defendenda" that is straight
> out of McCullough's
> glossary, almost word for word) .
> Salve Decius Iunius Palladius
> Umm Well no, I haven't completely read "Fortune Favorites." I have started
> it, and have gotten as far as Sulla joining up with Magnus. If McCullough
> uses it, she probably got it from the same place as I did, Mommeson's "Das
> Romische Staatrecht"
> I really didn't want to read McCullough. Both Marcus Fabius and Lucius
> Cornelius know that I was concerned that she would be very disappointing when
> it came to Roman military history, and I know that period quite well. But
> since I am writing a novel about Caligula I'd be stupid not to read a best
> selling author who is writing about a similar period.
> And I was right. She has marvelous grasp of speeches, her characterizations
> are very good, but she hasn't a clue how the legiones maneuvered and fought.
> By the way, Alfred Duggan's "The sword of pleasure," which covers L.
> Cornelius Sulla's career from the Jugurthine War to his death, is a better
> novel.
> As far as using the "Oxford Classical Dictionary" I prefer to use
> "Cambridge's Ancient Histories," these I was raised on, and I know backwards
> and forwards.
>
> >>It is very difficult to even find a reference to this so-called proper
> name. Most references, including the OCD, call it the Senatus Consultum
> Ultimum.<<
> I don't know what Oxford copy you have, Decius Iunius, when I hauled out my
> Oxford looked up the SUC, lo and behold Arnaldo Momigliano calls it "The
> proper name was senatus consultum de re publica defendenda. (Sall Cat .29)
> Hmmm. Maybe this is where McCullough got it. Let me check her biblo. Oh she
> doesn't have one. So no proof there.
>
> Quaero: how could *Cicero* change it?
> Well, I'm guilty of declaring that because I can't write at 2:00 AM However
> in " In Catilinam" Marcus Tullius mentions the change in passing. I can't
> remember which of the 4 he in which does. Sorry. I'll look into it. Gaius
> Julius may have adopted it from one of the speeches.
>
> Vale
> Q. Fabius
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| Subject: |
Forward request for the CoG Census |
| From: |
william wheeler wuffa@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 01 Aug 1999 04:12:17 -0700 |
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Salve
M. Cornelius Felix sends greeting to the list.
Yes send it out to any list, CoG is trying to get a best guess real
Census.
Message: 8
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:24:53 -0400
Fro--------ia Soderquist <a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=189075253209082116184218072036129208" >tuozine@--------</a>
Subject: Re: yes i know
May I forward this to another list just chock full o' pagans?
william wheeler wrote:
>
> From: w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a>
>
> I know some of you will see this a # of times
> But it needs to get out to as many people as we can get it out too.
>
> CoG is trying to estimate the number of Pagans
> and/or Witches in the US. If you fall into that
> category, you can find the on-line census at
> <a href="http://www.cog.org/cogpoll.html" target="_top" >http://www.cog.org/cogpoll.html</a>
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| Subject: |
Re: Ave and greetings |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:01:19 EDT |
|
In --------ss--------d-------- 8/1/99 2:57:33 AM E--------rn D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=100185113213056154184232203140129208071" >Ag--------es@--------</--------;
writes:
<< I am new to your list but would like to introduce myself. I am Agamedes
an
Equis in the Imperium Antiquitus but interested in Nova Roma as our group
has
lately become aware of your existance SALUTATE ! I salute fellow Romans ! .
I am curious, is this mostly an on line community? do you have gatherings?
>>
Salve!
Many thanks for your posting to this list. It is always great to find others
interested in the various aspects of Roman civilization! I believe the
Imperium Antiquitus is a reenactor group, yes? We have many Citizens who are
reenactors so you're quite likely to find kindred spirits in Nova Roma!
At present Nova Roma is mostly an on-line community since our Citizens are
spread out over several countries. The lion's share of our communication is
done on this list, in our live chat, and via message boards. We're working to
change this however. Face to face communication and live gatherings are
becoming more common as new Citizens join the various local Provincia. We do
hold gatherings and events whenever people are able to get together. Also,
there is a yearly event called Roman Days which is held in Maryland. It's a
military reenactor event open to the public, but Nova Roma has attended for
the last two years.
In any case, hopefully we'll be hearing more from you!
Vale,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: New Citizen from Austria |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:17:18 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salve, Citizen Marcus Martius Re;
I welcome you to Nova Roma. I have read your comments on the net and I
see that your historical interest and knowledge of Latin is extensive.
For those attributes you are doubly welcome. I would for the benefit of
"Eagle" like to take advantage of your offer to provide information
regarding Roman nstitutions, sites, or cultural aspects of the Roman
Repubic in your country.
I would greatly appreciate your input to "Eagle" If you are not already
enrolled to receive the newsletter, I invite you to consider such. I
would be pleased to provide any information which you require regarding
"Eagle."
Vale, Citizen Marcus Marcius Rex
Respectfully
Marcus Minucius Audens
Editor--"Nova Roma Eagle"
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Ave and greetings |
| From: |
Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Aug 1999 07:31:53 -0700 (PDT) |
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--- <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=100185113213056154184232203140129208071" >Ag--------es@--------</--------; wrote:
> I am new to your list but would like to introduce myself. I am Agamedes an
> Equis in the Imperium Antiquitus but interested in Nova Roma as our group has
> lately become aware of your existance SALUTATE ! I salute fellow Romans ! .
> I am curious, is this mostly an on line community? do you have gatherings?
Salvete!
I noticed your AOL handle; are you of the Hellenic tradition as well? I go
both ways (fellow NR minds, stay OUT of the gutter, lol) myself. :) It would
be wonderful to meet another Greek, if that were the case. I believe that
there are a few others around as well.
As for offline events, I distinctly recall seeing something about gatherings on
the website. I have no idea where and when, but being on the East Coast, I'll
probably miss out on a lot.
In any case, ego te saluto! And I hope that you enjoy your stay.
Valete et khairete,
Andrea Gladia Kyrinia
===
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| Subject: |
Ave and greetings |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:08:51 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salve, Agamedes;
Welcome to the list. I look forward to your response to Cassius'
message of welcome. I enjoy the position of re-enactor as well, (but,
only in a very beginning nature in the Roman Period). NR welcomes you
to our micronation and may the communication between our two
institutions always be fruitful and peaceful.
Vale, Agamedes;
Respectfully,
Marcus Minucius Audens
Tribunis Militarium, Commander of the Nova Roma Sodalitas Militarium
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Various Edicta (Important!) |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:26:58 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salve, Venator;
I thank you most humbly for the rousing welcome back to the place that I
created. It is good to return. I would be most pleased to receive a
plan of chain mail for the Sodalitas Archives. Thank you very much for
the kind thoughts. I plan to continue the section in the Eagle of Food
and Wine, and your excellent recipes and articles will still be most
welcome.
Vale, and My thanks again for your most kind support.
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens;
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Various Edicta (Important!) |
| From: |
Kyrene Ariadne kyreneariadne@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:38:51 -0700 (PDT) |
|
--- James Mathe--------lt;a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------e:
> I thank you most humbly for the rousing welcome back to the place that I
> created. It is good to return. I would be most pleased to receive a
> plan of chain mail for the Sodalitas Archives. Thank you very much for
> the kind thoughts. I plan to continue the section in the Eagle of Food
> and Wine, and your excellent recipes and articles will still be most
> welcome.
Salvete!
I have a question that maybe someone can answer... since the Eagle is now in
new (and most capable, I might add) hands, how does one subscribe to it? I
would personally love to receive a copy, and your mentioning of the food and
wine section sounds right up my alley, as I'm subbed to a couple of Greek and
Roman cooking lists, both ancient and modern. :)
Valete et khairete,
Andrea Gladia Kyrinia
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| Subject: |
Ad Audentem: Eagle |
| From: |
RexMarcius@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:40:57 EDT |
|
Marcus Marcius Rex salutat Marcem Minucium Audentem!
Tibi gratiam ago! I am flattered by your offer and I certainly will do what
is in my power to help you with your newsletter "The Eagle". Unfortunately I
have so far not subscribed to it. Is it possible at all if you live in
Noricum/Pannonia (Austria)? How does one pay?.
Also I do not really know what kind of assistance you might need (just
information, or articles or else?). Please let me know.
I would also like to know if it is possible to offer a sacrifice to the gods
of Nova Roma to express my gratitude for the swift approval of my citizenship
and how it could be done in a dignified way (I am still a half barbarian in
this respect, I have to admit).
Vale et ad multos annos!
Vindobona, 01/08/99
Marcus Marcius Rex
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| Subject: |
Eagle Subscription |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:10:43 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salve, Andrea Gladia Kyrinia;
I thank you in ernest for your most kind words. It is my primary hope
at the moment to be able to approach the skill of Flavia Claudia the
former Editor. A stern chase is a long chase, I fear, but I will
persevere!
For a new subscription to "Eagle" you may send $12.00 American to the
following address:
James L. Mathews
1319 Baldwin Hill Road
Gales Ferry, CT
06335-1801
You should accompany the check with you full name, and address. You
should also understand that your submissions to "Eagle" for any area of
endeavor in Roman Culture are most welcome and necessary. A large
backlog of material i snedessary to maintain a newsletter like this.
The checks can be either made out to myself or to Nova Roma as you will
prefer, and I will ecord them in the Eagle's Financial record book and
forward the checks and bills to the appropriate Quaestor for final
approval and banking.
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask...
Vale, Andrea Gladia Kyrinia
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Ad Audentem: Eagle |
| From: |
Jenni Hunt moonloon@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 01 Aug 1999 13:42:30 -0400 |
|
Salvete!
At 12:40 PM 8/1/99 EDT, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=085056131063158209025056228219114253071048139" >RexM--------us@--------</--------; wrote:
>I would also like to know if it is possible to offer a sacrifice to the gods
>of Nova Roma to express my gratitude for the swift approval of my
citizenship
>and how it could be done in a dignified way (I am still a half barbarian in
>this respect, I have to admit).
You know, thanks for bringing this up! Does Nova Roma have a patron deity?
If so, that would be the proper one to whom you should make your
sacrifice. I'd like to know myself. This sounds like a great idea for
publishing on the website.
Iuppiter seems most appropriate to me. I'd include an offering of thanks
and since Iuppiter is a sky god, burnt offerings are most appropriate.
Ancients would probably have made a blood sacrifice as the numen from a
once-living animal is presumably most potent; however, burning some potent
herbs or incence might be more appropriate nowadays. You might also want
to consider making offerings to your own Roman patron deity(ies). Offer
your glad graditude (laetus gratias ago) for this is also a time of
rejoicing, and make the offering(s) that the deity(ies)'s numen be
increased (ut macte esto).
This also might be a good opportunity to make an oath before the gods in
regards to what you hope to contribute to and gain from Nova Roma. The
website has a nice little oath to Iuppiter which you could use or adapt.
Of course, you would also want to ask for a blessing upon yourself, your
Gens, and Nova Roma -- the Kalends/Nones/Ides rituals on the website have
a nice formula for such.
Anyone else have some ideas? Has anyone actually performed a ritual upon
being granted citizenship? If so, I'd love to hear about them!
Valete et tibi bona fortuna in te opero volo!
(Is my Latin getting any better?) :-)
I. Ov-------- Luna <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029233253185018190112158203026129208071" >moonloon@--------</a>
(Jenni Hunt)
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| Subject: |
Re: Ad Audentem: Eagle |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:48:40 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Marcem Minuium Audentum salutat Marcus Maricus Rex!!!
Sir I am pleased to receive your messag. I am grieved to announce to
you that alas, I line in the United States, but as a career naval
officers have visited many places in the world, (including a brief tour
of Vienna) and have always been extremely impressed with the offerings
and cultures of civilizations not my own. It is my understanding that
Noricum / Pannonia was within the Roman Empire for a long period of time
and therefore night have some remnants of their great enginnering skills
(bridges, aqueducts, roads, other structures) as well as examples of
culture, art, law, and ther areas of Roman occupation. I would be
pleased to know the names of such, their locations and something of
their present condition as well as the current status of research and or
archaelogical activity.
Any articles for the newsletter, on any subject that you consider
yourself knowledgable in would be most welcome. References are
requested for information provided from other sources.
I am sorry to report to you that I do not follow the Roman Religio, and
so cannot rule upon your request for approval of a sacrifice, and so I
defer that question to the Pontifex Maximus. However, in my very
limited view of the Religio Romana, I have never observed anything but
the utmost appreciation for any act of sincere respect to the Gods of
Rome.
In regard to the "Eagle" subscription let me refer you to Quinta Claudia
Lucentia Aprica (<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=053075020185175031223102001140243115239144190092017171173211025056109087200150170193201077179247241163050" >quinta_claudia_Lucentia_Aprica@--------</a>) who is the
Eagle distributor in Europe. Since I have just recently taken over this
position, I have not had time to deal with this question. I ask Claudia
Aprica and the formerEditor Flavia Claudia to comment on this and to
give both of us their ideas on that subject. In any case I will get
back to you on that subject..
My function in Nova Roma is essentially as a student of Roman Republic
and early Roman Empire culture. As such, my opinions and counsel counts
for very little, but I may be able to direct your questins to those with
authority as required.. I do not understand Latin very well, but if you
would be so kind as to include english translation to the latin terms
that you use, I might be able to learn a smattering for use here in NR.
I welcome you to NR, and hope that you will have a rich and full
association with us.
Vale, Marcus Marius Rex
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Proper name of the SCU |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:22:16 -0400 (EDT) |
|
On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------; wrote:
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
Salve Q. Fabi,
> In a message dated 7/31/1999 12:34:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a> writes:
> >>I have heard, Fabius, that currently you are reading "Fortune's Favorites"
> (or just finished it) and possibly had that in mind (a good clue was your
> wording about the "proper name was SC Re pub., Defendenda" that is straight
> out of McCullough's
> glossary, almost word for word) .
> Salve Decius Iunius Palladius
> Umm Well no, I haven't completely read "Fortune Favorites." I have started
> it, and have gotten as far as Sulla joining up with Magnus. If McCullough
> uses it, she probably got it from the same place as I did, Mommeson's "Das
> Romische Staatrecht"
I have to admit I haven't dug up Mommsen and read him for pleasure, though
I hear stylistically he his quite good in translation. However, I would
only read him for pleasure (as I do read Gibbon) but not for
his scholarship, as I understand that much of what he (and even Gibbon)
wrote is out of date.
> I really didn't want to read McCullough. Both Marcus Fabius and Lucius
> Cornelius know that I was concerned that she would be very disappointing when
> it came to Roman military history, and I know that period quite well. But
> since I am writing a novel about Caligula I'd be stupid not to read a best
> selling author who is writing about a similar period.
> And I was right. She has marvelous grasp of speeches, her characterizations
> are very good, but she hasn't a clue how the legiones maneuvered and fought.
In many ways she is good, though you are right, she hasn't a clue about
the Legions and she knows that (it doesn't interest her) which is why her
battles take about a page! :) Her political speeches are good,
especially when she can take them from history and she blends them nicely
into the story. Her dialogue for the most part is atrocious, however, and
her characters are one dimensional (Marius and Sulla aren't *too* bad but
Caesar is terribly done as are many of the characters in books that
revolve around him). She is not a great writer but she paints a convincing
portrait of Roman life, the importance of religion, many of the attitudes.
I'm not sure I would recommend going beyond Fortune's Favorites.
> By the way, Alfred Duggan's "The sword of pleasure," which covers L.
> Cornelius Sulla's career from the Jugurthine War to his death, is a better
> novel.
I am writing the title down now, thanks. :)
> As far as using the "Oxford Classical Dictionary" I prefer to use
> "Cambridge's Ancient Histories," these I was raised on, and I know backwards
> and forwards.
> >>It is very difficult to even find a reference to this so-called proper
> name. Most references, including the OCD, call it the Senatus Consultum
> Ultimum.<<
> I don't know what Oxford copy you have, Decius Iunius, when I hauled out my
> Oxford looked up the SUC, lo and behold Arnaldo Momigliano calls it "The
> proper name was senatus consultum de re publica defendenda. (Sall Cat .29)
> Hmmm. Maybe this is where McCullough got it. Let me check her biblo. Oh she
> doesn't have one. So no proof there.
I have the 3rd Edition of the OCD, 1996, where on page 1388 under SCU
(which is the heading) it says the term *derives* from Caesar's Civil War
1.5, the reference I gave yesterday. Perhaps you are referring to the 2nd
edition? There is no mention of the other term at all in the 3rd edition
of the OCD.
It seems that perhaps there is no scholarly consensus on the origin of the
term or when it came into being.
> Quaero: how could *Cicero* change it?
> Well, I'm guilty of declaring that because I can't write at 2:00 AM However
> in " In Catilinam" Marcus Tullius mentions the change in passing. I can't
> remember which of the 4 he in which does. Sorry. I'll look into it. Gaius
> Julius may have adopted it from one of the speeches.
I checked all four orations today, no reference to the term SCU or the
other term, either. Of course, I admit I merely used a scan function to
check for certain words right down to their bare stems (one nice thing
about being able to access these documents with a computer though one
can call it cheating!), and may have missed something.
Vale,
D. Iunius
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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"
Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.
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Re: Ad Audentem: Eagle |
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"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@-------- |
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Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:58:22 -0400 |
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Salve,
> From: Jenn--------nt <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029233253185018190112158203026129208071" >moonloon@--------</a>
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> You know, thanks for bringing this up! Does Nova Roma have a patron
deity?
> If so, that would be the proper one to whom you should make your
> sacrifice. I'd like to know myself. This sounds like a great idea for
> publishing on the website.
Hmmm... while I think it's best to state that all of the Roman Gods are in a
sense "patron deities" of Nova Roma, there is precident. Wasn't the Goddess
Roma worshipped as the embodiment of the State? And there was the Lar
Praestites (the lar of Rome as the ultimate "family unit") as well.
It _is_ an interesting question, though...
Vale,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator for another 9 hours...
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| Subject: |
One last law... |
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"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:54:21 -0400 |
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Salvete, Omnes!
One thing we had talked about here on the list, but that hadn't actually
gotten put into law, was a requirement for the publication of magisterial
edicta. Well, that minor omission has been corrected. The new law may be
found in the aerarium Saturni on the web site.
In brief, a magistrate has 72 hours to publish an edict either here or on
the official message board. The edict may then be vetoed up to 72 hours
after _publication_.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Dictator for 8 more hours...
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| Subject: |
Re:Roma Dea |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 01 Aug 1999 13:26:06 -0700 |
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Salvete, Quirites!
I have been offering to the Goddess Roma for a while now. Perhaps it would be a good idea
for all of us to include Her in our prayers for Nova Roma as well as for that dream that
is Roma Aeterna for reissued ancient Romans everywhere.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius.
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Re: Various Edicta (Important!) |
| From: |
SDmtwi@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:22:48 EDT |
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Salve Flavius Vedius Germanicus, et salvete omnes.
> lictores curiata: T Labienus Fortunatus et alia.
> rogatores: Gaius Marius Merullus and T Labienus Fortunatus.
I thank you for the honor you have shown me. I gratefully accept my
position among the lictores curiata, and I will gladly serve as a rogator. I
vow to fulfill the duties of these posts to the best of my ability, and I
will very likely take Flavius Vedius up on his generous offer of advice as
time goes on.
C Marius Merullus, I don't know your email address offhand, but we should
probably touch base soon. I look forward to working with you.
Valete,
T Labienus Fortunatus
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