| Subject: |
Spitalfields Roman Burial |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 03 Aug 1999 01:17:35 PDT |
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Salvete Omnes!
Just a quick one to say that a molar from the 4thC patrician burial at
Spitalfields, London, brought to light last April, has been DNA-tested,
according to BBC Radio4 News this morning.
The tooth shows a female-inherited gene the nearest current match of which
in living people is in Northern Spain. The wealthy young lady in the coffin,
therefore, or her mother, was probably Iberian.
That (annoyingly) was all they said. More when I can find it.
Valete bene,
Vado.
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| Subject: |
an item of interest |
| From: |
David Meadows dmeadows@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 03 Aug 1999 08:13:35 -0400 |
|
<excerpt>
</excerpt><<<<<<<<
An item of interest from yesterday's Independent (no longer online):
>>>>
<excerpt>>
<bold>London's Roman 'yuppie' was probably a lady from Spain
</bold>A young woman who died in Roman Britain more than 1,600 years ago
may have been a Spanish noblewoman, according to a genetic analysis of
her teeth.
Archaeologists excavating a Roman burial site at Spitalfields Market,
London, found her decorated lead coffin and elaborate stone sarcophagus
earlier this year, complete with skeleton, valuable funerary items and
unique textiles.
Scientists from Oxford University extracted DNA from one of her molar
teeth, which was well enough preserved to produce a genetic sequence that
could be compared against a database of 11,000 present-day people from
around the world.
"The only exact match was with someone who lives in Spain, which suggests
that the Roman lady came from the Iberian peninsula," said Brian Sykes,
professor of genetics at Oxford. Helen Chandler, the research scientist
who carried out the work, said another possibility was that her mother
was of Spanish origin because the type of ! DNA analysed is only
inherited from the maternal line.
"It's possible that she was brought to the British Isles," Ms Chandler
said. "It seems to fit in with the fact that the burial was fairly
elaborate and she herself was quite important,"
Archaeologists from the Museum of London said it is rare to find a Roman
stone sarcophagus lined with a lead coffin. They have also found three
types of textiles, the first fabrics of Roman London. Bill White, a bone
specialist at the Museum of London, said that a white, woven textile was
under her pillow of bay leaves. Her shroud was woven with a golden thread
and a red cloth adorned her coffin.
Dr White said it came as a surprise to find that she is probably of
Spanish origin. "I thought she was more likely to be local, although we
have known that people in Roman Britain were drawn from all over the
empire."
A further bone test to analyse oxygen isotopes will confirm whether she
had lived in a warmer climate, which would support h! er Spanish origin,
Dr White said.
The woman was in her early 20s when she died of an unknown cause and had
benefited from a healthy diet. At 5ft 5ins she was at least 2ins taller
than the average woman at that time, Dr White said.
The Oxford scientists will analyse DNA from the skeletons in nearby
graves to see whether she was buried near her relatives. Her grave was
one of probably four buried close to the Roman Ermine Street, which was
the main road north from London to Lincoln and York. The Romans often
buried notable citizens near main roads so that people passing by could
pay their respects.
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| Subject: |
Rogator was Various Edicta (Important!) |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:18:21 -0400 |
|
Salvete Tite Labiene et alii
Magna cum reverentia Senatu populoque Novae Romae officium rogatoris accipio
I take the office of rogator with great respect for the Senate and people of
Nova Roma.
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246033014165012132015098190036129" >SDmtwi@--------</--------;
>
> C Marius Merullus, I don't know your email address offhand, but we
should
>probably touch base soon. I look forward to working with you.
Same here :). My address is <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
>
>Valete,
>T Labienus Fortunatus
>
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| Subject: |
Fwd: [GoddessWorship] welcome new sister and Gaia prayer |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" tinnekke@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:31:13 GMT |
|
Salvete Omnes,
It isn't often that I find something on another list such as this to pass
on, but I thought it might be of interest.
>From: Starr----------------lt;a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=061243113180093209036242046056179223078145166218128099031038116131142076083" >starbright_moonchild@--------</a>
>
>This is for Rome's Tellus Mater
>
>Earth, holy mother, source of nature
>you feed us while we live, hold us when we die
>
>Everything comes from you, everything returns to you.
>What else could we call you but our Mother?
>
>Even the gods call you that. Without you
>there is nothing. Nothing can thrive, nothing can live
>
>without your power. Queen and goddess I invoke you:
>You are all-powerful and my needs are so small.
>
>Give me what I ask and in exchange, I will give you
>my thanks, sincere and from my deepest heart.
Valete,
Cypria
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| Subject: |
Re: Has the dictator stepped down? |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:51:10 EDT |
|
>>Dictator for 8 more hours...<<
Salvete!
Has Flavius Vedius Germanicus stepped down? An official announcement to that
effect would be nice for the people to hear.
Next, elections. Would one of the election officials please post a list of
available offices?
The people should know of what is available. Remember, the people must be
kept informed.
Valete
Q. Fabius
(Not the Tribune of the Plebs, but remember Gryllius is on his honeymoon!)
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| Subject: |
Re: Has the dictator stepped down? |
| From: |
Rahnette@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:17:27 EDT |
|
In --------ss--------d-------- 8/3/1999 9:51:47 AM P--------ic D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
writes:
<< Has Flavius Vedius Germanicus stepped down? An official announcement to
that
effect would be nice for the people to hear.
>>
Greetings
Yes, and for the unoffical observers on this list as well.
Farewell
Ronnie
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| Subject: |
Re: Has the dictator stepped down? |
| From: |
JusticeCMO@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:23:31 EDT |
|
In --------ss--------d-------- 8/3/99 1:17:56 PM E--------rn D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=085166214185056134050038203140129208071" >R--------tte@--------</--------;
writes:
<< Has Flavius Vedius Germanicus stepped down? An official announcement to
that
effect would be nice for the people to hear. >>
He did announce the fact......
<<1) Barring any unforeseen circumstances, effective at 11:59 PM eastern time,
this upcoming Sunday August 1st, I hereby lay down the office of dictator.>>
Thought this was pretty clear myself. ::shrug::
Priscilla Vedia Serena
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| Subject: |
Re: Has the dictator stepped down? |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:38:58 -0400 (EDT) |
|
On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------; wrote:
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>
> >>Dictator for 8 more hours...<<
> Salvete!
Salve!
> Has Flavius Vedius Germanicus stepped down? An official announcement to that
> effect would be nice for the people to hear.
He posted his last edict with a statement that he was stepping down as of
11:59 PM Sunday night. He has made no announcement that he has
in fact in laid down his imperium after the fact, perhaps thinking his
his final edict sufficient. I thought it was. Perhaps he will make a
a final statement, an after action report so to speak, but he has already
stepped down.
> Next, elections. Would one of the election officials please post a list of
> available offices?
> The people should know of what is available. Remember, the people must be
> kept informed.
The Senate is convening this week to discuss and ratify the actions of
Flavius Vedius Germanicus as dictator. I have checked with the Augurs and
have set Thursday as the day I will convene it to begin deliberations. An
official message will go out to the Senators this evening.
There is one open seat of consul and one open seat for plebeian aedile,
which was never filled. The details of the election will be announced
after the senate deliberations and vote is complete.
In the meanwhile, I think all of Nova Roma is resting, with all our
mailboxes mercifully empty for a little while after the flurry of activity
in recent weeks.
> (Not the Tribune of the Plebs, but remember Gryllius is on his honeymoon!)
When does he come back anyway?
Valete,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Non scholae sed vitae discimus.
Seneca
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"
Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.
|
| Subject: |
Re: Has the dictator stepped down? |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:42:22 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salve, Priscilla Vedia Serena;
Hmmmmmmm! I think the mention of "something unforseen" raises the
question of the action. I believe that just as a formal declaration was
used to begin Germanicus' tenor as Dictator, a formal declaration not of
intent but rather the laying down of his duties is required as well, for
a variety of reasons. First and foremost among them is who is currently
in charge. I would suppose the Consul, but as an asst. to the Consul, I
do not wish to forward my ideas until I am sure that the Dictator has
stepped down, as it would be a breach of Roman Law to do so with the
Dictator still in office.
Respectfully, and in Friendship;
Marcus Minicius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Has the dictator stepped down? |
| From: |
"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:00:50 -0500 |
|
On 3 Aug 99, --------3:23, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=173075066165082194184241189100114253071048139" >JusticeCMO@--------</--------; wrote:
> He did announce the fact......
>
> <<1) Barring any unforeseen circumstances, effective at 11:59 PM eastern
> time, this upcoming Sunday August 1st, I hereby lay down the office of
> dictator.>>
>
> Thought this was pretty clear myself. ::shrug::
>
> Priscilla Vedia Serena
Since there were no announcements AFTER 11:59 PM eastern
time, nobody knows Jack! The last "unforseen circumstances"
involved the plug being pulled.
Crys
|
| Subject: |
A formal statement may be necessary |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:18:31 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salvete!
In the interests of clarity, a brief message by Flavius Vedius
Germanicus stating that he has laid down his imperium may be in order.
Valete,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Non scholae sed vitae discimus.
Seneca
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"
Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.
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| Subject: |
Protocol (Was dictator) |
| From: |
Rahnette@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:11:02 EDT |
|
In a message dated 8/3/1999 10:23:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=173075066165082194184241189100114253071048139" >JusticeCMO@--------</--------; writes:
<< Thought this was pretty clear myself. ::shrug::
Priscilla Vedia Serena >>
Greetings Priscilla Vedia Serena and to the rest of you magistrates.
Actually, no it was not clear.
Governments make declarations twofold.
1st. they say they are about to do something.
2nd. They announce that they have done it.
Since Nova Roma is a micronation that has a lawfully constituted government,
it would make sense to follow the same formula. Based on the flurry of
e-mails generated by the Curule Aedile's innocent but logical question, it is
needed.
Farewell
Ronnie Sepictor
Roman historian and interested observer of Nova Roma.
|
| Subject: |
Nova Roma Chat Program |
| From: |
Exitil@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:15:22 EDT |
|
Made a little chatroom program for Nova Roma if anyone is interested. Can
improve it if you guys think its useful. Anyway, instructions for using it
are:
Run NRCHAT.EXE from whatever computer you want to act as the "server".
Preferrably run this on a computer that has a permanent connection to the
internet, because if you use something like AOL where you log on over and
over your IP Address changes and thus you need to have the clients all reset
their host address every time (not to mention then they wouldnt be able to
run it while you're offline).
NOTE: If you do get a permanent connection I can modify the program to
always connect to that point so they dont need to type in the IP all the time.
Anyway once thats running you'll see a number at the top. Something like
192.221.25.36 Give this number to everyone who wants to connect. Then they
run Client2.exe and punch in the numbers.
There, everyone is connected. It'll handle as many people as you want.
When you log in change your name by typing NAME=yournamehere. That way
people will be able to know whos talking.
typing ?WHO will list everyone who is in the room
typing ?NAME will show your current name
TO TALK:
type ' or " before your speech, or type SAY (something).
Well thats it. Sounds complicated but its really very easy. Basically just
run the program, tell everyone what to connect to, they connect, and then
talk. :)
-Alex Novus
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| Subject: |
Re: A formal statement may be necessary |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:53:42 EDT |
|
A formal statement is necessary 'less we find out a month from now that we
are still living under a dictatorship.
--Dexippus
|
| Subject: |
Pompei -- information on Discovery |
| From: |
Jenni Hunt moonloon@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 03 Aug 1999 19:34:32 -0400 |
|
Check out the website for Discovery at
<a href="http://www.discovery.com/indep/newsfeatures/pompeii/pompeii.html" target="_top" >http://www.discovery.com/indep/newsfeatures/pompeii/pompeii.html</a>
about Pompei
I. Ov-------- Luna <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029233253185018190112158203026129208071" >moonloon@--------</a>
(Jenni Hunt)
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| Subject: |
Re: Has the dictator stepped down? |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:47:43 -0400 |
|
Salve,
Gads! Even the thought of hanging on to the office of dictator gives me the
creeps. But for the English-impaired among us...
I am no longer dictator. In fact, as of one minute before midnight last
Sunday, I stopped being dictator. To quote myself:
"Barring any unforeseen circumstances, effective at 11:59 PM eastern time,
this upcoming Sunday August 1st, I hereby lay down the office of dictator."
I would have thought that enough of an announcement. Were there any
unforeseen circumstances? Nope. Therefore, am I still dictator? Nope.
Hope that clarifies things.
Vale,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Ex-Dictator
|
| Subject: |
Re: Has the dictator stepped down? |
| From: |
Steven Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 03 Aug 1999 19:28:28 -0700 |
|
Thanks Dad! <BEG> Venii
Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> Gads! Even the thought of hanging on to the office of dictator gives
> me the creeps. But for the English-impaired among us...
>
> I am no longer dictator. In fact, as of one minute before midnight last
> Sunday, I stopped being dictator. To quote myself:
>
> "Barring any unforeseen circumstances, effective at 11:59 PM eastern
> time, this upcoming Sunday August 1st, I hereby lay down the office of
> dictator."
>
> I would have thought that enough of an announcement. Were there any
> unforeseen circumstances? Nope. Therefore, am I still dictator? Nope.
>
> Hope that clarifies things.
>
> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Ex-Dictator
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Has the dictator stepped down? |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:35:31 -0400 |
|
Salve,
By the way, just by way of explanation for my not responding earlier; I no
longer get email for novaroma at work. It was appropriate while I was
serving as dictator, but now that I'm no longer serving, I thought I'd
actually do some work at work. :-)
Vale,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Censor
|
| Subject: |
Notification of Action |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:55:07 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salve, Ex-Dictator Germanicus;;
Sir; I do not consider myself either English-impaired or a mind-reader..
The question was a good one and a flippant response is not worthy of
you. You have done too much work and worked to hard to have any of it
marred. You said that the Dictator was in charge. During that time, I
made no official comments to anyone but you. It is only reasonable that
the requirement of precise notification of step down be provided by you.
There is no way in which anyone would know of a last minute problem
except you. You as the dictator had the responsiility to tell NR not
only your intent but also when you laid down your burden..
If I remember correctly, you did not appreciate insulting and flippant
language directed at you. The others in NR, although not in the more
dizzying heights of command authority, do not care for it any more than
you did.
Vale, Ex-Dictator Germanicus
Very Respectfully
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Notification of Action |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 03 Aug 1999 18:04:38 -0700 |
|
James Mathews wrote:
> Salve, Ex-Dictator Germanicus;
[snip]
> The question was a good one and a flippant response is not worthy of
> you.
[snip]
It has been one of the dictator's traits.
C. Aelius Ericius.
|
| Subject: |
Re: Notification of Action |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:23:16 -0400 |
|
Salve,
> From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
> It has been one of the dictator's traits.
>
> C. Aelius Ericius.
Please cite some examples for us, Ericius. When have I, acting as dictator,
been flippant? I have striven to act as professionally in that capacity as
possible; it's possible I slipped once or twice under great provocation, but
I would hardly call it a "trait". Just because you disapprove of my removing
Cincinnatus as a citizen for his role in the conspiracy that led to the
Interregnum, don't add mischaracterization to your political games. It won't
help Cincinnatus' cause.
Vale,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Censor et Senator
|
| Subject: |
Parting Address |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:58:58 -0400 |
|
Salvete Omnes!
My apologies for delaying this address; I have been occupied with real-world
job concerns. It has proven a boon, however; since laying down the office of
dictator one minute before Midnight last Sunday, my actions in that office
have had a chance to coalesce in my mind.
As dictator, I've striven to maintain a level head and present such a face
to the public through my communications via email. This has been difficult
to do at times, given the enormous provocation which certain factions (in
particular those who disapproved of my removal of Cincinnatus from
citizenship) have employed. To take swipes at me is expected and anticipated
as a cost of politics. But the vulgar improprieties that were (and still are
being) leveled at my wife left me at a loss that these were people I was
actually voluntarily associating with. They should all thank whatever Gods
they have that I was not the tyrant they tried to paint me as, or they'd
have been tossed out with Cincinnatus.
My chief mission, as I saw it, was the establishment of a political
framework that would allow the government to function. In my opinion, that
was one of the chief problems leading up to the Interregnum. Thus, I applied
myself to making changes in the Constitution and instituting laws and other
edicts to that end. We now have such a framework in place; the
Constitutioned is tightened up where it needs to be, laws are in place to
give detail to the Constitutional framework, and people are in place to
implement the demands of the Constitution. I should add that I have not
worked in a vaccuum; not only have I had the input from a variety of persons
on the public list (having always striven to put forth my ideas and invite
input prior to their implementation), but also in private.
I should also like to thank in particular Decius Iunius Palladius for his
input on my political reforms. As censor and consul, his advice and support
has been invaluable.
I've tried to refrain from taking action elsewhere, although the occasional
action (priestly appointments, etc.) have arisen during my tenure that were
simply easier to do given my broad discretionary powers as Dictator. I
should add that, in particular when dealing with the Religio, but in all
aspects of my reforms, I have tried to act with the guidance of Marcus
Cassius Julianus, our Pontifex Maximus. He has been a good friend and I
treasure his wisdom and his friendship.
I realize that my tenure as dictator has turned some who I had ranked among
my friends into enemies, and for this I am immensely saddened. I can think
of only one individual for whom I feel genuine dislike; but Gangalius
obviously shared this feeling already. I would certainly hope that, now that
my tenure as dictator is over and we're (hopefully) on a steady course, we
can put these political animosities behind us. Nova Roma is supposed to
bring us together as people who love Rome. Let's not forget that central
theme.
It is my solemn prayer that I have left us a more solid government, a
sounder society, and a stronger Republic. Let us never again return to a
point where we need another dictator.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Censor et Senator
|
| Subject: |
Re: Notification of Action |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:28:12 -0700 |
|
You do not seem to remember the personal mail I sent you in response to one such
incident. Remember, I sent you a personal post about some similar public messages you
posted ostensibly to me, but, as I said, you did it in the public forum. I chose not to be
public about it then. That was my choice. Why should I bother to dig through what you
have been putting out the last month to put forward other examples? Do you consider
someone an enemy who does not front load their posts with theatrical praise? Do you
consider someone an enemy because they wish to decide on things for themselves, after due
consideration? Am I wasting my breath? Do I believe that your constitution and your
laws will be passed by a landslide? The answer to the last rhetorical question is, Yes.
Much of it is good work. I really do not know the answers to the other questions.
I hope you realize that the reason people are here is that they cherish the dream of
ROME. Not Nova Roma, but what they hope Nova Roma will be. What Nova Roma could be, an
embodiment of that "thought in the minds of the Gods" that is ancient Rome. The Roman
political system did not have the fine tuning that republics today are supposed to have,
it is different. That difference is something that is worth exploring. The original
Constitution seemed like a good start at that. This proposed one differs from both its
predecessor and that of Roma antigua. It will be worked with. Political systems adapt
themselves to the will of the governed. The proposed constitution will do that over
time. Like any tata, Germanicus, your kid will learn to get along on its own, over time.
C. Aelius Ericius.
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| Subject: |
Re: Notification of Action |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:56:51 -0400 |
|
Salve,
> Like any tata, Germanicus, your kid will learn to get along on its own,
over time.
>
> C. Aelius Ericius.
It better learn quick-- I'm kicking it out of the nest. I want nothing more
than to see it fly on its own; this last-minute mid-air scoop has been an
abberation, as far as I'm concerned!
Oh wait... that's not what a power-hungry tyrant is supposed to say, is it?
Oh well...
Vale,
Germanicus
|
