| Subject: |
Re: Re: More on alt.politics.micronations... |
| From: |
Trekroner <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=189212192163127190172038109248062208071048" >trekroner@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:03:37 +0200 |
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In response to the specific questions of M. Cassius Julianus
>Lars Erik:
>> The micronational community has to my knowledge retracted into internal
> affairs of each respective micronation. Several nations have been
>dissolved and others are on the brink.
>
>Cassius:
>That's *very* interesting, considered that Nova Roma just went through
it's
>own crisis. Maybe there's something in the water... :P How deep has this
>general shakeup among other Micronations gone??
Your interregnum might possibly have been a blessing in (good) disguise, as
it renewed your interest in the political side of things and attracted
notice by several foreigners.
I entered micronationalism actively in the spring of 1998. At that time
most
communication was centred at Microworld hosted by Thomas Leys, later of
Penguinea and (allegedly) still of Port Colice. Discussion was unmoderated
and quite heated at times. Matt Dabrowski was still among us with his
graceful discussion style. The Microparliament of July 98 started out very
promising with some working groups aimed at setting out some fundamentals
of
micronationalism, but all the comity work fizzled out as the presidency
neglected to issue an order of closure, and the summer became better.
Afterwards Microworld established a mailing list with initially some
activity. Everything died slowly out around Christmas and since then....
almost nothing inter-state wise.
>Lars Erik:
>>Moreover, some former micronations have
> embraced a new vision and now no longer considers themselves
micronations
> but rather something more "real". In consequence they look upon their
own
> past and any remaining micronations with what looks like disdain. In
>short, they're not much fun to talk with.
>
>Cassius:
>Nova Roma has always had hopes of being fairly real... something along
the
>lines of the Knights of Malta. Our site has always posted such intent.
>Still, culture and religion are far more important to most of us than
>politics. Hopefully we're not TOO bad to deal with! ;)
Not at all - you are an aspiring state or a micronation of the "derivatist"
observation. Nothing wrong with that, and it is your right to restrict
formal contact to nations with similar goals (even if you have the courtesy
to make Corvinia an exception - I'm struggling to turn Corvinia derivatist
myself). Such an approach is also held by Falkenberg, Landreth and
Freedonia. The new visionists of Penguinea and East Cyberia reject the
concept of micronationalism altogether, and define themselves as
communities
rather than micronations. This, they claim, makes them "real" as opposed to
the "unreality" of micronationalism. My view is that it makes them "Just
Another News Group"
>Lars Erik:
>>Of the remaining, some are located in
> LOSS, which suffers from gross inertia, still others (like my own
> micronation) are located in the Comity of Peoples, which is also quite
> comatose at the moment, but counts at least two currently very active
> micronations (as well as some apparently more dozing ones).
>
>Cassius:
>Has this inertia been going on for some time, or is it just the usual
>"Summer Internet Slump"?
The Summer Internet Slump has been going on since LAST summer.
>Cassius:
>We'd be more than happy to talk with anyone, but our Senate has been
fairly
>conservative about formal alliances and relations. I do believe that
>Corvinia is the only micronation we have "official" relations with! No
>matter what we're pretty easy to deal with officially though and many
>of us are interested in the Micronational phenomenon as a whole.
Corvinia and Porto Claro as Germanicus stated. Official relations is of
course not the only way of interacting. They do serve a purpose,
though, in
that they help to define what the micronational community is. In my view
official relations are simply extensions of your own micronational
credibility to your recognised micronations, thus not to be handed out
lightly, but not to be discouraged either just because there seemingly is
no
need for such pompous displays of statehood.
>In any case, many thanks for your post. It's great to get some news from
>the "outside Micronational world"!
Nice to have someone to talk with again. At this particular moment in time
I
seem to be the entire "outside Micronational world". Corvinia is on hold
until the end of the month and the rest of the micronational world, well
its
a sorry state, but these links may be of minor interest:
www.egroups.com/group/microworld
www.egroups.com/group/loss
www.egroups.com/group/comity
BTW I introduced myself as hostis (foreigner/enemy). What became the Latin
word for "foreigner/not-enemy" after hostis shifted in sense?
With friendly regards
Lars Erik, Duke of Trekroner
Sovereign Principality of Corvinia
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=189212192163127190172038109248062208071048" >trekroner@--------</a>
www.corvinia.org
ICQ: 22 62 76 01
Cave ne ante ullas catapultas ambules.
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| Subject: |
Re: Lindsey Davis novels (was Re: Camulod Chronicles) |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:03:14 -0400 |
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Salvete Omnes
>
>At 11:00 AM 8/9/99 -0400, Lucius wrote:
>>I believe that they were recommended to me by someone on the list last
year.
>>Also, Lindsey Davis' The Silver Pigs is situated in Britian for the most
>>part.
>
>I've been reading the M. Didius Falco detective novels in succession
<SNIP>The _Silver Pigs_ doesn't quite make it to Britain, but
>heads through Germania and deep in Celtic territory; ...
>Enjoy! I. Ov-------- Luna <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029233253185018190112158203026129208071" >moonloon@--------</a>
>(Jenni Hunt)
I beg pardon, but Part 2 from chapters 20 through 38 takes place in Britain.
It has been a few years since I read it but I still have my paperback and
looked again just to be sure. I was mistaken though in that most of the
'action' does take place in Roma.
If you are really interested in Roman Britain might I suggest "Roman
Britain, Outpost of the Empire" by Howard Hayes Scullard. ISBN-0-500-27405-3
as an excellent beginning.
Valete, L Equitius
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| Subject: |
Re: More on alt.politics.micronations... |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:03:42 -0400 |
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Salvete Dux Trekroner et alii
>From: Trekroner <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=189212192163127190172038109248062208071048" >trekroner@--------</a>
>
>
>Your interregnum might possibly have been a blessing in (good) disguise, as
No, it wasn't. It may look that way at the first, or even more so at the
second, glance, but it was no blessing. It brought about/accompanied the
resignations of our Virgo Maxima, who was also a senator and editor of our
newsletter, and of the longest-established member of our ordo equester, and
of other valuable people. We may survive it and move forward, but it will
never become a good thing -- unless those two people and others come back
and explain to the rest of us why the interregnum has reinforced their
commitment to Nova Roma.
>
>BTW I introduced myself as hostis (foreigner/enemy). What became the Latin
>word for "foreigner/not-enemy" after hostis shifted in sense?
I cannot give an immediate answer to that specific question, but I do know
that there was another word in use during the empire for non-Roman but
friendly peoples -- foederatus, -i. The word would have originally meant, I
think, that the foreign peoples were supposed to be client states, but I
think that this was less and less true as time went on.
>
>With friendly regards
>
>
>Lars Erik, Duke of Trekroner
>Sovereign Principality of Corvinia
>
>Cave ne ante ullas catapultas ambules.
"Beware lest you walk in front of catapults" ? Where do you get these
little one-liners?
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Re: More on alt.politics.micronations... |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:28:27 EDT |
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Salve,
Just a bit of clarification here. Our Virgo Maxima had actually left Nova
Roma over the Impeachment... NOT the Interregnum. She herself voted for the
Interregnum; only she wanted it to be permanent rather than temporary.
As a minor point, Flavia Claudia had ceaced to be Virgo Maxima about two
months before any of the problems in Nova Roma. She took up the post for a
one year term only - and that had expired in April. When she resigned she
resigned as a Citizen and Senator.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
In a message dated 8/10/99 8:05:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> writes:
<< No, it wasn't. It may look that way at the first, or even more so at the
second, glance, but it was no blessing. It brought about/accompanied the
resignations of our Virgo Maxima, who was also a senator and editor of our
newsletter, and of the longest-established member of our ordo equester, and
of other valuable people. We may survive it and move forward, but it will
never become a good thing -- unless those two people and others come back
and explain to the rest of us why the interregnum has reinforced their
commitment to Nova Roma. >>
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| Subject: |
Latin word for visitors (was Re: More on alt.politics.micronations... ) |
| From: |
Marius Fimbria legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:08:23 -0500 (CDT) |
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Salve, Dux Trecronensis, et salvete omnes...
Our honored guest has inquired what might have been the proper Latin
term for 'foreigner' once 'hostis' had begun to acquire the meaning of
'enemy'. I believe 'peregrinus' (from whence 'pilgrim') is the term he
is looking for; this having been used of diplomats and visiting
outlanders even during the Republican era, and centuries before
'foederatus' came into vogue. (While Rome always had Her
client-kingdoms, the word 'foederatus' is generally encountered in a
late-Imperial context.)
Peregrini in Rome even had their own Praetor to hear cases involving a
foreigner and a Roman citizen.
Hope this helps...
************************************************************
Lucius Marius Fimbria |\=/|
mka Märia Villarroel ( ~ 6 )~~~----...,,__
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> >[SPQR]< `\*/, ``}`^~``,,, \ \
Roman Historical Re-Creationist ``=.\ (__==\_ /\ }
and Citizen of Nova Roma | | / )\ \| /
'The best place to bury a dog _|_| / _/_| /`(
is in the heart of his master.' /./..=' /./..'
P.S. Did the catapult quote come from 'Latin for All Occasions' or its
sequel by Henry Beard...? (Most of the tag-lines around here do...)
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| Subject: |
Garum experimentation |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:15:04 -0400 |
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Salvete Caie Aeli et alii
I recall that at one point Ericius acquired some fish sauce like garum. Do
you, Erici, or anyone else have any tips on using it? I bought some fish
sauce last night, made from pressing anchovies. Sounds pretty close to
garum to me. I intend to experiment with it tonight, mixing it in a sautee
of garlic, onions, muchrooms and tofu. I may throw a little bit of
pepperoni in there too.
Any comments on fish sauce experience would be appreciated.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Materfamilias seeks aid |
| From: |
Mia Soderquist tuozine@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:07:58 -0400 |
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I'd like to draft some sort of charter or mission statement or by-laws
for gens Numeria, and I was wondering if anyone had a model or any
suggestions. Right now it is just me, though I do have someone else
coming along if he ever gets his citizenship application in. I *might*
have another person coming after that, unless his girlfriend decides
that we're Satanists. <smirk> She's like that.
I have some basic guidelines for who is a good candidate to be adopted
into the gens, but I'd like to have some sort of formal statement about
that, and about our goals.
TIA for any advice.
Fortunata
--
***
Mia Soderquist (<a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=189075253209082116184218072036129208" >tuozine@--------</a>)
ICQ 19818811 or 5926593
<a href="http://home.mindspring.com/~tuozine/critters/Page_1x.html" target="_top" >http://home.mindspring.com/~tuozine/critters/Page_1x.html</a> -TuozzCritters
<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/de/siidmak/" target="_top" >http://www.angelfire.com/de/siidmak/</a> -Conlang Page
<a href="http://home.mindspring.com/~tuozine/Untitled/Page_1x.html" target="_top" >http://home.mindspring.com/~tuozine/Untitled/Page_1x.html</a> -Gens Numeria
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| Subject: |
Re: Lindsey Davis novels (was Re: Camulod Chronicles) |
| From: |
DTibbe2926@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:08:49 EDT |
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A listing of the Falco novels...
The Silver Pigs - Rome and Southern England
Shadows in Bronze - Bay of Naples and Southern Italy
Venus in Copper - Rome
Iron Hand of Mars - France and Germany
Poseidon's Gold - Rome
Last Act in Palmyra - Petra, the Decapolis and Syria
Time to Depart - Rome
Dying Light in Corduba - Rome and southern Spain
Three Hands in the Fountain - Rome
Two for the Lions - Rome and Africa
One Virgin Too Many (just received) - don't know but I suspect Rome
Severus
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| Subject: |
Eagle--August |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:07:21 -0400 (EDT) |
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Citizens of Nova Roma;
I have just mailed the July issue of the Eagle today, For your
information the following applies:
--There are currently 55 subscribers to Eagle;
--The new Eagle will be eight 81/2 x 11" pages in length for the
forseeable future;
--The deadline for submission of new material for the August issue is
August 23. The short submission time period has to do with some
juggling of services which may prove beneficial to us all;;
--The Editor is open to suggestions from the subscribers in regard to
ideas for better service and articles. However, suggestions that deal
with more work on the part of the Editor will be reviewed Verrrrrry
Closely (<Grin>);
--If you have not received your Eagle within a reasonable period
contact the editor and I will send another;
--Articles for Eagle are actively solicited from all citizens;if they
are original, please indicate so, if they are from a published source
please provide the reference;
--Questions about Eagle and Eagle subscriptions may be directed to the
Editor at the above address.
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Eagle--August |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:37:04 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salve!
This is wonderful news, Marcus Minucius! Thank you for that complete
update on the upcoming issue. I think the only item you did not address
is the allowed words per articles. Is the word limit for articles still
500?
Looking forward to a great issue,
Decius Iunius Palladius
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Non scholae sed vitae discimus.
Seneca
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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"
Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.
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| Subject: |
Re: Garum experimentation |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:07:49 -0700 |
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Salvete.
RMerullo wrote:
> Salvete Caie Aeli et alii
>
> I recall that at one point Ericius acquired some fish sauce like garum. Do
> you, Erici, or anyone else have any tips on using it? I bought some fish
> sauce last night, made from pressing anchovies. Sounds pretty close to
> garum to me. I intend to experiment with it tonight, mixing it in a sautee
> of garlic, onions, muchrooms and tofu. I may throw a little bit of
> pepperoni in there too.
>
> Any comments on fish sauce experience would be appreciated.
>
> Valete
>
> Gaius Marius Merullus
Yeah! I just tried it on different things. Mine is Asian made ("Thai Kitchen") and I've
tried it on pot stickers, chow mein, salisbury steak, steamed potatoes. The taste is
SALT. I had to almost imagine any essence of fish. This is made from anchovies, salt
anchovies. Maybe it would be different if it is made form anchovies that have not been
salted down. Of course anchovies do not run all year and making it from the salted ones
would allow you to process it all year.
Please keep us informed.
Valete
Ericius
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