| Subject: |
Senate vote completed |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:45:17 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salvete the Senate and People of Nova Roma,
The senate has completed its deliberations and has finished voting on
ratifying the actions of Flavius Vedius Germanicus as dictator. Nearly
everything was ratified. The Constitution, the Leges, the Edicts, the
decreta and Senatus Consulta enacted by Flavius Vedius Germanicus were
ratified with two exceptions:
1. The exile as citizen and removal from the Senate of Lucius Equitius
Cincinnatus has been rescinded. He is now once again a citizen, senator
and Flamen Martialis.
2. The Senatus Consultum Pecuniam, the budget, was not ratified as the
information it contained was outdated. A new budget will be presented to
the Senate for deliberation next week.
I would like to thank the citizens of Nova Roma for their patience during
the period the senate was in session. This last month and a half has been
a trying time for Nova Roma but we have made it through, hopefully
stronger. The next step is the election for consul and other vacant
magistracies. I shall announce the details of that next Monday or Tuesday.
Currently, I am checking with the Augurs for the most auspicious day for
them to take place.
In the interests of keeping the people informed, I have attached
the message I sent to the Senate calling for a vote. It has the items
listed that were voted on, and I have added the number of votes each items
received. A total of 8 senators voted during the 48 hour voting period. I
thank each of them for their participation.
In Service to Rome,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul of Nova Roma
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:23:09 -0400
From: Decius Iunius &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=014158113165021154015057190036129" &g--------a----------------&l--------&g--------r>
To: Nova Roma---------------- <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=061056234237175198015158190036129" >se--------@--------</a>
Subject: A VOTE IS CALLED
Salvete consulars, magistrates, Senatores!
I will now see a division of the Senate on the items presented to you
and discussed these last days. Since you cannot physically walk
to my left or right to indicate your vote, you will simply vote YES or
NO beside each item presented. A YES vote indicates that you ratify and
accept the item being voted on; a NO vote indicates that you do not
ratify or accept the item being voted on:
1. The Constitution, [I recommend vote YES]
[8 votes cast--7 yes; 1 no]
2.The laws, [I recommend to vote YES]
[8 votes cast, 7 yes, 1 no]
3. Edicta, (with one exception) [I recommend to vote YES]
[7 votes cast, 6 yes, 1 no]
4. Decreta et senatus consultum. (with one exception, presented
separately) [I recommend vote YES]
[8 votes cast, 7 yes, 1 no]
The exceptions, the items I would vote on individually are:
5. The *specific* edict that exiled Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus and
removed him from the Senate, which is as follows and was part of a
larger message which contained another edict (that edict will be voted
on with all the other edicts enmasse):
....Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus, who has demonstrated a willingness to
subvert and ignore the Constitution to achieve his desired ends, and as
such represents a grave threat to the State, is hereby removed from
membership in the Senate, his Citizenship is hereby revoked, and he is
hereby banned from re-applying for Citizenship for a period of ten
years.
[I recommend vote NO, to rescind this]
[7 votes cast--6 no, 1 abstain]
6. The Senatus Consultum Pecuniam [I recommend vote NO, to rescind
this also.]
[8 votes cast, 6 no, 2 yes]
Valete,
In service to Rome,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul and Senator of Nova Roma
--
“Non Scholae sed vitae discimus.”
Seneca
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"Quis ita familiaris est barbaris,
ut aram Victoriae non requirat!"
Quintus Aurelius Symmachus
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| Subject: |
Unavailable |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:57:22 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salvete! Just to let everyone know, I will be unavailable from Noon Friday
through late Monday due to family reasons.
Valete,
Decius Iunius Palladius
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"Quis ita familiaris est barbaris,
ut aram Victoriae non requirat!"
Quintus Aurelius Symmachus
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| Subject: |
Welcome back Cincinnatus |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:25:08 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salvete Cives,
Let me be the first to welcome back Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus as
citizen, senator and Flamen Martialis. I offer him a hand of comradeship
as a colleague as he reassumes his duties as senator and Flamen Martialis.
I hope he accepts that hand.
Valete,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
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"Quis ita familiaris est barbaris,
ut aram Victoriae non requirat!"
Quintus Aurelius Symmachus
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| Subject: |
Re: Nundina proxima |
| From: |
Marius Fimbria legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:43:39 -0500 (CDT) |
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Salvete Quirites...
>From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
>Salvete cives
>
>Does anyone know when the next Nova Roma market day will be? Do we
>still have those?
I have been trying to get the attention of the College of Pontiffs
about this all year. The fact is, we lost a couple of weeks at the
beginning of the year...
Our last nundina of 1998 was Thursday, 24 December. From there it
should have gone:
F 1 Ian. | Sa 9 Ian. | Su 17 Ian. | M 25 Ian. |
Tu 2 Feb. | W 10 Feb. | Th 18 Feb. | F 26 Feb. |
Sa 6 Mar. | Su 14 Mar. | M 22 Mar. | Tu 30 Mar. |
W 7 Apr. | Th 15 Apr. | F 23 Apr. | Sa 1 Mai. |
Su 9 Mai. | M 17 Mai. | Tu 25 Mai. | W 2 Iun. |
Th 10 Iun. | F 18 Iun. | Sa 26 Iun. | Su 4 Iul. |
M 12 Iul. | Tu 20 Iul. | W 28 Iul. | Th 5 Aug. | ...et cetera...
...so our next nundina, going by the same Roman calendar I have been
keeping since 1992--a calendar which matched Nova Roma's until the turn
of this year, and still matches the independent Roman calendar linked
to by our Web site--would be (will be?) today, Friday, 13 August.
Instead, our first nundina of the year was, IIRC, 8 Ianuarius. Then
the 16th, the 24th...and *then* the 8th, 16th and 24th of Februarius,
as if we'd decided to do Market Days on any day divisible by eight
instead of every eighth day. In Martius we began doing it every eighth
day...but by then we were a full two weeks off, and we've been that way
ever since. (By that reckoning, we just had a nundina on 11 Aug. and
are not slated for another one until the 19th.)
No wonder nobody's been able to keep track!
Please, please won't somebody address this. We've been out-of-synch
long enough.
Multibus gratias vobis ago for giving this your kind attention.
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Lucius Marius Fimbria |\=/|
mka Märia Villarroel ( ~ 6 )~~~----...,,__
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> >[SPQR]< `\*/, ``}`^~``,,, \ \
Roman Historical Re-Creationist ``=.\ (__==\_ /\ }
and Citizen of Nova Roma | | / )\ \| /
'The best place to bury a dog _|_| / _/_| /`(
is in the heart of his master.' /./..=' /./..'
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| Subject: |
Re: Welcome back Cincinnatus |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:52:31 EDT |
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Hip Hip Hurrah!
Welcome Back Lucius!
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Absolutely not off topic and .... - De stultis sententiis et eorum periculo |
| From: |
hadji hadji@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:42:23 +0200 |
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> A little off topic and maybe too long - De stultis sententiis et eorum periculo
> From: "RMerullo"
Salve Gaio Mario Merullo,
Excellent said! Your words were my thoughts.
I share your point of view.
I think everyone may keep his own real believes deep in his mind and for
own use only.The true credence has very small to do with public
presentation, propagating and other "theatres".Thatswhy I can not find
place for propagating one religion only in public schools.
It is good for children of course to have general informations about
ethical principles included in every religion, but I think they need to
receive informations to a given religious topic from different view
poins (for example if they discuss about the ten Lord's laws, so they
need to know how this principles are applied by the Hebrew, Islam
Budhism, Pagan (why not?) etc etc.
In the light of that I always understand our NR as multi-religious and
am sure the ancient Rome was the same. The only idea of creating the
Patheon is something great. To pay attention to all the Gods (believs)
and to those one whom were forgotten. It is great, isn't it?
Vale
Alexander Probus
/An orthodox Christian/
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| Subject: |
Re: Absolutely not off topic and .... - De stultis sententiis et eorum periculo |
| From: |
Steven Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:17:54 -0700 |
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Salve Alexander Probus et Avete Omnes,
If I may Alexander; you, Marius and Audens are examples of people of good
will who do your God honor by actions faithful and respectful, while not
compromising strength of spirit. Nova Roma has a great foundation stone in
enlarging the value of private conscience in Government, while maintaining
the central character of the Religio Romana in affairs of State.
To one and all - a person's stated religion and God or Gods & Goddesses
should not make them an automatic adversary. Let us continue to give each
other respect and courtesy: and vehement disregard if an individual's words
and deeds warrent. There are many good teachings in the words of the Rabbi
Joshua of Nazareth, just as there is good in the majority of religious
thought (I have a statue of Francis of Assisi on my mantel, I like him as a
good example of a person of faithful living; besides, he is said to have
been kind to animals <G>). The problem of differences comes to the fore
when we give undue attention and credence to lackwits like this Ten
Commandments website scribbler. Fanatics of any stripe feed on attention,
like the misbehaving children with whom I worked at one time in my life.
There is nothing they dislike more than to be ignored. This is not to say
we must not keep a weather eye out for storms; to use the old phrase
"eternal vigilance is the price of reedom."
Let us help to build Nova Roma as an example of a meeting place of all
peoples.
We shall then be able to say, as did Horace, "exegi monumentum aere
perennius."
mea sententia - Venator
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| Subject: |
Re: Unavailable |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:57:30 -0400 (EDT) |
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| Subject: |
Re: A little off topic and maybe too long - De stultis sententiis ... |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" tinnekke@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:15:35 GMT |
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Salvete Omnes
I agree completely with Geramnicus and Dexippius. We are so inculcated to
the presence of Christianity within our culture that we never think to
object when the extremists of the religion push their agenda into areas
where it doesn't belong. This frightens me sometimes.
Valete
Cypria
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| Subject: |
Re: A little off topic and maybe too long - De stultis sententiis ... |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:34:20 -0400 |
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Salvete Iunia et alii
>From: "Tinnekke Bebout" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a>
>
>Salvete Omnes
>I agree completely with Geramnicus and Dexippius. We are so inculcated to
>the presence of Christianity within our culture that we never think to
>object when the extremists of the religion push their agenda into areas
>where it doesn't belong. This frightens me sometimes.
I wasn't frightened until yesterday morning. Since then I have objected, to
the Kansas Board of Education, and two US senators on the Health, Education
etc. Committee. Most likely my objections are being flushed down a virtual
toilet bowl even as I write this. But I most definitely have objected.
Do you think that there is a similarity between creationism and Roman
thought? Or that creationism is extremely un-Roman? If the Kansas Board of
Eduction were composed of Romans (sorry for the absurd condition -- it can
be classified next to the proposal to post the 9 commandments of Satanism or
whatever up in every classroom), how do you suppose they would have voted on
the creationism vs. theory of evolution thing in adopting statewide
education standards?
>
>Valete
>Cypria
>
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: A little off topic and maybe too long - De stultis sententiis ... |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:55:16 -0400 |
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Salve,
> From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
> Do you think that there is a similarity between creationism and Roman
> thought? Or that creationism is extremely un-Roman? If the Kansas Board
of
> Eduction were composed of Romans (sorry for the absurd condition -- it can
> be classified next to the proposal to post the 9 commandments of Satanism
or
> whatever up in every classroom), how do you suppose they would have voted
on
> the creationism vs. theory of evolution thing in adopting statewide
> education standards?
Honestly, I don't think there would be any conflict between a classical
Roman point of view and Darwinian evolution. One the one hand, there's the
fact that the Romans were excesively tolerant of differing philosophical
points of view. Unless a given idea directly threatened the power base of
Roman authority (as in the case of Christianity and to a lesser extent
Judaism), it was generally given a pretty free reign. Thus, you never see
bands of Pythagorians petitioning the local Roman governor to keep the
Stoics out of the schools.
On the other hand, both in paganism in general and classical Rome in
particular, there's a certain "cognitive dissonance" at work. That is, it's
possible to genuinely believe two things that are mostly incompatible. Thus,
I can believe that Odhinn, Villi, and Ve created the universe from the body
of the Frost-Giant Ymir, and I can also find no fault in the Big Bang
theory.
And to answer the question particularly posed, the Romans were remarkably
libertarian in most respects. Education wasn't thought of as the
responsibility of the State. I think they would have allowed the local
authorities to make their own decision; especially if it was something
potentially contentious! They were nothing if not practical, and making
potentially controversial decisions wasn't condusive to the maintenance of
the Pax Romana.
Valete,
Germanicus
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