Subject:	Re: Mistaken Identity
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:21:12 -0400

Salve,

> From: "Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>
>
> Salvete! Scripsit Cincinnatus:
>
> > > (How appropriate that a picture of Augustus up on the website since we
> >are
> > > not a Republic anymore).
>
> - Ohh. I thought it was a statue of Germanicus :-^).

Of course, in a perfect world it _would_ be a statue of me. :-)

Vale,

Germanicus

Subject:	Mead Manuals (was Re: Constitution and Dictatorship)
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:38:15 -0400

Salve and Heilsa,

> From: Steven Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
>
> My offer of a special edition of basic Mead Manuals to benefit the
treasury
> of Nova Roma still stands. I have received good feedback on manuals I
have
> sent out thus far. I still have several dozen copies. Cassius has
several
> copies of the 25 I sent for "Roman Days." 100 copies I printed for Nova
> Rome - 25 sent for Roman Days - 12 I've sold leaves 63 more I have
> available. After these are gone, any future sales to Romans will be at
the
> same price, but US$2 to the treasury.
>
> I've even sold a couple of copies to Asatruar.
>
> If any of you would like a copy, send a check made out to Steven P.
Robinson
> in the amount of US$8.00. My mailing address is PMB 257, 7431 E. State
St.,
> Rockford, IL, 61108-2678. $5 of this will go to an escrow account on
behalf
> of Nova Roma, which funds will go to the treasury when I am assured the
> State is once again accepting donations. We'll figure out a way of
> accomodating our non-North American Cives.

I've said it before, but I need to say it again. Ullerius' mead manual is
nothing less than amazing (my only suggestion; put the next printing in
normal text, rather than all caps!). If you're at all interested in mead
(drinking or brewing), you need to have this small but wonderful reference.
Bravo, Ullerius, and I hope that your effort will be emulated by others.
Anyone want to make an armor-making handbook?

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus

Subject:	Re: Comments; Mist. Iden.
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:54:44 -0400

Bravo!

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Co-Founder, Senator, Censor, Augur

----- Original Message -----
From: Decius Iunius Palladius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 3:59 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Comments; Mist. Iden.


> From: Decius Iunius Palladius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Nicolaus Moravius wrote:
>
> > From: "Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>
> >
> > Salvete! Scripsit Cincinnatus:
> >
> > > > (How appropriate that a picture of Augustus up on the website since
we
> > >are
> > > > not a Republic anymore).
> >
> > - post haec respondit Palladius:
> >
> > >Augustus, eh? I appreciate the attempt at flattery, truly I do, Lucius
> > >Equitius, but I am not Augustus.
> >
> > - Ohh. I thought it was a statue of Germanicus :-^).
>
> That's because you have never see us, it's me, really! :) I guess I got
> carried away in the moment. You mean it wasn't an attempt at flattering
> me? :) Seriously though, the picture on the site was a return to Nova
> Roman tradition. When Nova Roma first started, and for a long time
> afterwards, that picture and the accompanying saying were the first thing
> one saw when going to the site. I for one am glad it is back; it is a
> daily reminder of why we are here.
>
> > Et sic Palladius iterum:
> >
> > >We had an expression in the
> > >Marine Corps, Lucius Equitius: "Lead, Follow, or get the hell out of
the
> > >way." Right now, you're just in the way.
> >
> > - thank you, Palladi, for sharing that maxim with us. I'm sure it works
> > splendidly in the Marine Corps. This is Nova Roma, however, a
> > rather more voluntary (and discursively democratic) organisation. Please
> > take off that Marines hat -it really doesn't match your toga praetexta
:-).
>
> On the contrary, it certainly does. Principles of leadership are the same
> anywhere you go. The difference is simply in how one applies it. In the
> Marines, it would have been more direct, believe me (and being a former
> Navy diver himself, Equitius knows this). I was simply pointing out to
> Lucius Equitius that he was neither leading nor following but attempting
> to obstruct the system by quoting clause after clause of a document that
> was of no further relevance. The tone was firm, yes, but not I think rude.
>
> Yes, Nova Roma is voluntary (so is the Marines, BTW, at least to enter)
> and has a few democratic elements to it, but it is not a democracy. It is
> a Republic, an organization with magistrates (officers) that carry out the
> duties of their offices and make decisions based on the laws, the
> constitution and their judgement. They then carry out their decisions to
> the best of their ability, with input from the citizens. We are carrying
> out the stipulation in the Constitution that elections for empty
> magistrates positions be filled within 30 days of a vacancy. Last week,
> the Senate (a much larger, more diverse and representative body than
> before) carried out the requirement laid out in the Constitution that
> the Senate ratify the actions of the dictator. That was done.
>
> As for the point that the requirement for ratification in the old
> constitution be followed, it is the legal interpretation of the only
> current serving consul (who helped write the old and the new
> constitution) that the old constitution is null and void, as are any
> requirements laid out in it. It is the legal interpretation of the
> Co-Founder of Nova Roma, Flavius Vedius Germanicus, who wrote the old
> constitution and the current Constitution, that the old Constitution is
> null and void, as are any requirements laid out in it. It is the legal
> interpretation of the Co-Founder of Nova Roma, Marcus Cassius Iulianus,
> who helped to write the old constitution and the current Constitution,
> that the old Constitution is null and void, as are any requirements laid
> out in it. It is the legal interpretation of Praetor Urbanus Lucius
> Cornelius Sulla--who was very familiar with the old constitution and whose
> input on the new constitution was invaluable--that the old Constitution is
> null and void, as are any requirements laid out in it. In other words, the
> main Nova Roman legal authorities (those who have worked the longest with
> our system, both in creating it and defining it) have given their
> legal interpretation that any requirement in the old system is null
> and void. That interpretation is being acted on. Any ratification by a
> legislative body would be superflous and illegal according to the legal
> system now in place and would not be recognized by the government of Nova
> Roma. No matter what decision was made on this issue, someone would not be
> happy for one reason or another--and more than likely, not for reasons of
> legality. So be it. A decision was made and is being carried out.
>
> Based on the ongoing advice of the people I have mentioned, and others,
> the government of Nova is carrying out its duties. Currently, it is
> preparing to hold an election next week for the empty position of consul.
> Sometime this weekend, the centuries will be ready for perusal. By the
> beginning of the week, the voter codes and exact voting instructions will
> be issued.
>
> The cries that have been heard about an imperial system now being in place
> and the end of the Republic are groundless. Nova Roma could have been
> reconstituted after the Interregnum on an actual imperial model (and
> there actually was a fair amount of support from citizens for just this
> idea), or at the very least, a much more autocratic system. It was not.
> It was reconstituted along the lines of what has been our dream all
> along in Nova Roma: the revival of the Roman Republic. We shall continue
> our work.
>
>
> In Service to Rome,
>
> Decius Iunius Palladius,
> Consul of Nova Roma
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: Undeluted Irish!!?**!!
From:	JSA varromurena@--------
Date:	Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:27:15 -0700 (PDT)

--- James Mathe--------lt;a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------e:
> From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/font>
>
> Kyrinia wrote:
>
> "--------Scottish are just displaced irishmen"
>
> Yeah, about like Irishmen are displaced Welch!!
> I most respectfully also point out my dear that the
> word to use is
> "Scots" not Scottish. I honor your discussions and
> beliefs Irish, and
> it might even be said that I too have "a tiny bit O'
> Blarney in me
> tongue having kissed the stone" but it is Scots and
> Welsh that I am from
> my anchestors and it is from the Clan McKay that I
> am decended in direct
> line. So much so that my re-enactment involves the
> first person
> character of Ian McKay, Adjutant of the 42nd
> Regiment of Foot (Black
> Watch). We are a proud clan and a warlike one as
> well. It would not
> surprise me in the least to find out that it was my
> Pictish forefathers
> who pursuaded Hadrian to build his great wall, since
> the Antonine wall
> could not hold us to the lands that the Romans
> dictated.
>
> As for Hadrian's great effort, what self respecting
> Scot would go any
> further South into the lowlands except for the
> raiding, and spols of
> war????
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>

Hesitating to insert myself into this exchange, I have
nevertheless had to study this subject recently.
Scotland, like many another country, is an artificial
creation, bringing together, usually by force, several
disparate groups. First, of course, are the Picts, who
were the main group in Caledonia during the occupation
by Vetus Roma. Afterwards came invading groups of
Scots from Ulster who mostly occupied the highlands,
Britons (the Celtic peoples of Britannia) who occupied
Galloway, which is why surnames such as Walys and
Wallace (i.e., "Welsh") are so common there, Angles
who settled the lands to the SE of the Antonine
Wall--this area was once part of the Northumbrian
kingdom (which is why the language called "Scots" is
related to English, as it is an offshoot of Old
English), and the Norse, who settled the islands
around and about. I should say that "Scots" aren't
Irish, though the original "Scots" (who speak "Gaelic"
today as opposed to "Irish") came from the large
island called Eriu; nor are the "Welsh" in Galloway
from Wales--the two groups are merely descended from
Brittanic chieftains who managed to maintain their
lands against the Angles and Scots (a good bulk of
those called "English" are actually descended from the
original Keltic Brittanic population whose culture and
language was gradually extinguished by the invading
Angles and Saxons; indeed Cerdic of Wessex, from whom
descend Alf the Great and the British royal family,
was a Keltic Brittanic chieftain, as were his
successors for about a century after his death).

Valete.
L. Licinius Varro Murena
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Subject:	Re: Mistaken Identity
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:31:09 EDT

In a message dated 8/20/1999 9:21:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> writes:

<< Of course, in a perfect world it _would_ be a statue of me. :-)
>>
Flavius Vadius. Send me a picture and I'll design a virtual statue of you.
Vale
Q. Fabius.
(Jack of all Trades)

Subject:	Re: Mistaken Identity
From:	JusticeCMO@--------
Date:	Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:37:07 EDT

In --------ss--------d-------- 8/21/99 4:32:40 AM E--------rn D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
writes:

<< Flavius Vadius. Send me a picture and I'll design a virtual statue of you.
Vale
Q. Fabius. >>

As his wife all I can say is,.....do *I* get to vote on which picture we
use??? Heeeheeeee ::picturing him with the Mickey Mouse ears from our
honeymoon::

:) Serena

Subject:	Re: Mead Manuals
From:	Steven Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:41:09 -0700

Salus et Fortuna!

Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:
>
> I've said it before, but I need to say it again. Ullerius' mead manual is
> nothing less than amazing (my only suggestion; put the next printing in
> normal text, rather than all caps!).
>
Venii: I did the initial run in the Trajan font. But, I am in process of
editing for a possible small press commercial edition. I've had an offer to
review the manual by the ownwer of a couple of home brew shops in northern
Wisconsin.
>
> If you're at all interested in mead (drinking or brewing), you need to have this small
> but wonderful reference. Bravo, Ullerius, and I hope that your effort will be emulated
> by others. Anyone want to make an armor-making handbook?
>

Venii (raises hand a bit sheepishly), um, I'm working on an basic armoring
manual as a fund raiser for the Asatru Folk Assembly. As I have offered a
non-Roman edition of the Mead Manual to folks who don't want a donation
going to Romans (those monies go to the Odinic Rite copier fund), I shall
offer a non-Nordic edition for those Romans who would rather a donation to
Nova Roma instead. Publication is set for the Kalends of October. More
details to follow.

In Amicus - Venator, Brewer, Cook, Armorer, and so forth

Subject:	Re: Undeluted Irish!!?**!!
From:	Steven Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:49:36 -0700

Hailsa et Ave!

JSA wrote:
>
> But isn't this barbarous brew the color of urine,
> which all good Romans should avoid? Try for a good
> amphora of Falernian....
>

<LOL> Just as gold has that same yellowish glow about it? And how would
out togas stay so white without the vats at the laundress's establishments?

I am currently working on vinting a recreation of the Falernian. I think
I've hit on a good combination of grapes. I'll be able to tell when the
first vintage is ready to drink next summer.

In Amicus - Venator

Subject:	Re: De historic re was Comments; Mist. Iden.
From:	"M. Papirius Justus" papirius@--------
Date:	Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:37:27 -0400

Salve Salveteque,

At 05:37 PM 20/08/1999 EDT, Marcus Marcius Rex Gaio Mario Merullo scripsit
inter alia:
With regard to the Annals....well tempting, I would have to say IŽd be
interested in helping to compile the facts (together with Papirius who seems
to know the digestes by heart, something I could never even hope to achieve).
But I think Marcus Gangalius can be trusted to write these Annals "sine ira
et studio". His work was my only source for Nova Roma history and I found it
very well written and to the point.

Respondeo: you flatter me ... while I might know Justinian's Digest by
heart (or at least by liver, give or take a large section on inheritance
which never fails to put me to sleep), I hardly think myself qualified as
an annalist of Nova Roma primarily in terms of time -- I'm overwhelmed with
papyrus-work here in my Atrium (so many clientes, so little time. Besides,
Gangalius is, as you say, doing a fine job and I'm sure he will continue to
do the same.

MPJ
]|[ M. Papirius Justus ]|[ <a href="http://web.idirect.com/~atrium" target="_top" >http://web.idirect.com/~atrium</a> ]|[

Subject:	Re: Get Together @Caesar's,N.J.
From:	Jenni Hunt moonloon@--------
Date:	Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:24:15 -0400

At 12:49 AM 8/20/99 EDT, you wrote:
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=173075066165082194184241189100114253071048139" >JusticeCMO@--------</--------;
>
>Salve,
>
>If enough lead time is given, cost is less of a factor for us. I *believe*
>that is most likely true for most citizens.

Um... not this one. Cost is definitely a concern. Caesar's Palace/hotel
accommodations are definitely outside my budget.

I. Ov-------- Luna <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029233253185018190112158203026129208071" >moonloon@--------</a>
(Jenni Hunt)

Subject:	Re: Get-Together Information
From:	Jenni Hunt moonloon@--------
Date:	Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:26:06 -0400

At 10:07 AM 8/19/99 -0400, you wrote:
>From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/font>
>--Foxwoods (New London Area--Mashentucket (Ledyard) CT);
> --Largest Casino in the World;
> --10+ Restaurants;
> --15+ Conference Rooms;
> --Lots of Parking with Shuttle Buses from the further lots;
> --Mystic Aquarium;
> --Mystic Seaport;
> --World Class Indian Culture Museum;
> --New England surroundings / scenery;
> --Rooms: $79-$160 per night.

I could definitely go for this, in spite of the cost -- Foxwoods is only an
hour or so from where I live (Rhode Island). Keep me informed if anything
comes of this, okay?

I. Ov-------- Luna <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029233253185018190112158203026129208071" >moonloon@--------</a>
(Jenni Hunt)

Subject:	Re: JBL Statues
From:	Jenni Hunt moonloon@--------
Date:	Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:28:10 -0400

At 04:01 AM 8/20/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114056113185089095081021203102129208071" >dean6886@--------</a> (Dean Troy)
>
>
> I was wondering if we could have a repost on the price of Lar
>statues--- I was going to order one and it occured to me that I didn't
>know how much $$$ to send as I accidentally must have deleted the
>original post. Perhaps they would be interested in selling the mold and
>rights thereof to Nova Roma or an interested individual???

In reviewing my checkbook, I mailed $22.80, which includes S&H.

I. Ov-------- Luna <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029233253185018190112158203026129208071" >moonloon@--------</a>
(Jenni Hunt)

Subject:	Social War
From:	"RCW" alexious@--------
Date:	Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:04:27 -0700

Oops...the addy for the Social War is home.EarthLink.net/~alexious Sorry for any inconvenience.

L. Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus et Senator

Subject:	The Social War update
From:	"RCW" alexious@--------
Date:	Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:09:32 -0700

Ok, More changes have been made at <a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~alexious" target="_top" >http://home.earthlink.net/~alexious</a> Please stop by and check out the new updated information. Also, I have created a mailing list for the game. It is located at <a href="mailto:The_Social_War@--------" >The_Social_War@--------</a> That is the latest information so far. More to come shortly. :)

L. Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus et Senator

Subject:	Re: The Social War update
From:
Date:	Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:13:53 -0700

ROFL Oops the mailing list is not ready yet..... Sorry for the premature
announcement.. :)

L. Cornelius Sulla
<got a bit ahead of myself...>
----- Original Message -----
From: RCW <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
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Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 8:09 PM
Subject: [novaroma] The Social War update


> From: "RCW" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
> Ok, More changes have been made at <a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~alexious" target="_top" >http://home.earthlink.net/~alexious</a>
Please stop by and check out the new updated information. Also, I have
created a mailing list for the game. It is located at
<a href="mailto:The_Social_War@--------" >The_Social_War@--------</a> That is the latest information so far. More to
come shortly. :)
>
> L. Cornelius Sulla
> Praetor Urbanus et Senator
>
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Subject:	The Social War
From:
Date:	Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:07:20 -0700

Salvete Omnes. Just wanted to drop one final note...saying the Site is complete..... :) Please stop by and if you don't know the addy. It is: <a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~alexious" target="_top" >http://home.earthlink.net/~alexious</a> The final thing that I will add later on...when I have some free time....LOL *yeah right* is a brief sermonette of the Historical Social War. Which I am in process of writing.

L. Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus et Senator