| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: EDICT FOR THE ... --- SCARY MONSTERS |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114056113185089095081021203102129208071" >dean6886@--------</a> (Dean Troy) |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:23:52 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Is Sulla 30 yrs old yet?-- I thought he was like around 26 or 28
years old and running for consul. I don't like the offhand possibilities
of this one along with law 2. V to be voted on ( what if this isn't
passed and yet Sulla is elected consul?). I'm sure the whole body of
this will pass but in the future let's try not to get into any
potentially bad situations like this by putting contradictory items in
the same voting session. If he is under 30 I'm sure we all can see the
potentially messy, disruptive and annoying situation that could occur.
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
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| Subject: |
Re: Titles |
| From: |
hadji hadji@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:10:00 +0200 |
|
<<From: "Don an--------ys Meaker" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=230166014180193192112218004036129208" >famromo@--------</a>
Subject: Titles
Salvete,
It has been a day of great soul-searching for me. I have asked and
I have looked for signs and my Iuno has given them to me.
First my husband and I will be leaving the dishonorable Cornelia
gens. We will find respect within another gens. The Senator and
would be Counsul has no respect and even less sense. I am
ashamed I was misled into convincing my then friend and current
husband to join it.>>
Mea honoratissima Crystalina,
I would like to suggest you to join our Gens Iulia Caesaria.
My cara Materfamilias will be probably very glad to welcome you there.
So am I.
Bene vale and I wish you a wonderful day!
Alexander Iulius Caesar Probus M.
<<Second, I was Priestess of Iuno BEFORE Nova Roma and I will
remain so long after it is gone away. And so IF the Dictatorship of
Nova Roma was legal, I resign the title but (of course) not the
Priesthood as it is not Nova Romas to give, but the gods
themselves.>>
P.S. I am very sorry and appologize you if my offer is not convenient to
you by any reason.
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| Subject: |
Re: [religio] Titles |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:39:11 +0100 |
|
Salvete Flavia Claudia et omnes
Flavia Claudia, I thought that you had quitted citizenship. If so, how dare
you to come here present your opinion? If you are against Nova Roma, that's
your own problem. And I remind you of your swear to the Gods:
I, Flavia Claudia do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of
Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the
Senate of Nova Roma.
(...)
I, Flavia Claudia further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of XX to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of XXXX and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto!!!!!
Were your words empty? The Gods are witnessed your swear, and they do not
forget for they are eternal.
It them seems that during those times you liked politics and even connected
them to the Religio... Maybe because by then you had the power, there were
few Senators, there were no Comitia. Of course, in your opinion why the
Comitia? Couldn't the people continue to be ruled by a few Senators in the
name of the Gods? When your power started to vane you started to show your
will to resign at the first difficulty. And now, we cannot go back. THE
PEOPLE HAS THE POWER THROW YOU, ME OR ANYONE ELSE OUT OF THE MAGISTRACY. THE
PEOPLE CAN ALSO ASCEND TO MAGISTRACY! Finally, we are a Res Publica! Ave Res
Publica! Ave Roma!
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Tribunus Plebis et coetera
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| Subject: |
Re: Titles |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:18:20 EDT |
|
I have only one thing to say......M-E-O-W!
Bring on the cat fight ladies!
--Dexippus
<<sitting in the Coloseum>>
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: [religio] Titles |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:22:23 EDT |
|
I believe Claudia was just giving an opinion...to which she is entitlted to.
Besides, this list seems to be open to all regardless of citizenship and if
that be the case, then we can not expect non-citizens to not have an opinion.
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Ancestors |
| From: |
JSA varromurena@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:33:07 -0700 (PDT) |
|
--- Nicolaus Moravius <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> wrote:
> The doings of Clan Murray are obviously off-topic
> and I only mention it here
> because this is one of the lines I do definitely
> descend from. And from a
> number of Gauls who may or may not have come from
> Bibracte and environs a
> few centuries earlier. Now some would say that to
> claim descent from the
> Boii because I'm a Murray is extremely
> suppostitious, and I agree. But then,
> if Caesar Augustus can claim descent from the
> goddess Venus through Aeneas
> (and his isn't the only tenuous, mythologised Roman
> pedigree by a long way),
> then I reckon I can claim what I just did too. It
> might even be true. Not
> that it would make me a different person, would it?
Salve!
Of course it wouldn't! It just strikes me as curious
that the attribution of Murray is to a slavic people,
and a particular region. Certainly the Czechs, though
they occupied Bohemia (really the lands of the
Marcomanii), aren't Boii. And the Czechs and
Moravians, though they share a common language, have
very different folk customs and traditions. I suppose
this is a question for a different list.
Vale.
L. Licinius Varro Murena
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: [religio] Titles |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:50:25 +0100 |
|
Salvete
>I believe Claudia was just giving an opinion...to which she is entitlted
to.
>Besides, this list seems to be open to all regardless of citizenship and if
>that be the case, then we can not expect non-citizens to not have an
opinion.
I thought that the list was moderated... At list it was when Patricia Cassia
belonged to NR.
Anyway, I think that those who are still citizens know why they are here,
and do not need any non-citizen to explain that to them.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
-----Original Message-----
From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: [religio] Titles
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
>
>I believe Claudia was just giving an opinion...to which she is entitlted
to.
>
>Besides, this list seems to be open to all regardless of citizenship and if
>that be the case, then we can not expect non-citizens to not have an
opinion.
>
>--Dexippus
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: [religio] Titles |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:19:17 EDT |
|
In a message dated 8/24/99 9:48:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> writes:
<< Anyway, I think that those who are still citizens know why they are here,
and do not need any non-citizen to explain that to them.
>>
Claudia wasn't explaining to anyone why they are here. She was giving an
opinion based upon her experiences here in NR.
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: [religio] Titles |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:27:56 +0100 |
|
>Claudia wasn't explaining to anyone why they are here. She was giving an
>opinion based upon her experiences here in NR.
Ok... Ok... I'm shut up. Let the Sybil profess the end of NR.. Manus meas
lavo.
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Nova Roman et coetera
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| Subject: |
De civitate et sententiis |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:26:45 -0400 |
|
Salvete omnes
Everyone has an opinion (especially me :)) and that's great.
But if someone gives up on Nova Roma (relinquishing citizenship), I think
that we should hesitate to address that person here in this forum. Hey, if
they wanted to express opinions on Nova Roma and listen to the opinions of
citizens, and maybe do something with Nova Roma, they could have kept their
citizenship.
Life's too short, and there's too much to do, to argue with ghosts in this
forum.
Vale
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Re: , Re: [religio] , Re Vera... |
| From: |
Marius Fimbria legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:07:20 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Salvete omnes...
My apologies for our TribPleb's confusion...he's been responding on the
NovaRoma List to something that appeared on the Religio List. I have
already asked him privately to either forward the Claudia post so we
can see what he's talking about, or to confine his remarks about said
post to the Religio List.
Hopefully we'll get this cleared up soon.
Yours under the Eagles,
************************************************************
Lucius Marius Fimbria |>[SPQR]<|
mka Märia Villarroel |\=/|
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> ( ~ 6 )~~~----...,,__
Roman Historical Re-Creationist `\*/, ``}`^~``,,, \ \
and Citizen of Nova Roma ``=.\ (__==\_ /\ }
'Just a-hangin' around the Universe, | | / )\ \| /
bein' a Roman... It's hard work, _|_| / _/_| /`(
but SOMEbody's gotta do it!!' /./..=' /./..'
|
| Subject: |
Fw: ListMod? (was Re: Re: [religio] Titles) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:25:46 +0100 |
|
-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio Grilo <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
To: Mariu--------mbria <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: ListMod? (was Re: [novaroma] Re: [religio] Titles)
>Salve
>
>>Tribune Graecus, you responded on the NR Main List to a message Flavia
>>Claudia posted on the Religio List. The NovaRoma List is moderated;
>>however, it has yet to see Flavia Claudia's post as she is no longer
>>subscribed to the List and has not been for some time.
>I have received the message as a NR message. In case it was a mistake, I'm
>sorry.
>
>>Please either forward Flavia Claudia's Religio post to the NovaRoma
>>List so we can see what you're responding to, or confine your replies
>>to the Religio List.
>In case the message was confined to the Religio maling list, I have no
right
>of answering it in NR. Has anyone else received the message as a NR
message?
>What happened was the following. I received the message in the NR folder of
>my email browser and answered. In fact, the reply email was
><a href="mailto:religio@--------" >religio@--------</a> . Nevertheless, I consulted the email details and I
>found that it was sent to <a href="mailto:religio@--------" >religio@--------</a>, <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> and
>(sort of) <a href="mailto:back_alley@--------" >back_alley@--------</a> . That was why I changed the reply address
>to <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> and sent my reply.
>
>Vale
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mariu--------mbria <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
>To: amg <amg>
>Date: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 3:44 PM
>Subject: ListMod? (was Re: [novaroma] Re: [religio] Titles)
>
>
>Salve, 'Tonius...
>
>Tribune Graecus, you responded on the NR Main List to a message Flavia
>Claudia posted on the Religio List. The NovaRoma List is moderated;
>however, it has yet to see Flavia Claudia's post as she is no longer
>subscribed to the List and has not been for some time.
>
>Please either forward Flavia Claudia's Religio post to the NovaRoma
>List so we can see what you're responding to, or confine your replies
>to the Religio List.
>
>Gratias tibi ago.
>************************************************************
>Lucius Marius Fimbria |>[SPQR]<|
> mka Mdria Villarroel |\=/|
> <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> ( ~ 6 )~~~----...,,__
>Roman Historical Re-Creationist `\*/, ``}`^~``,,, \ \
> and Citizen of Nova Roma ``=.\ (__==\_ /\ }
>'Just a-hangin' around the Universe, | | / )\ \| /
>bein' a Roman... It's hard work, _|_| / _/_| /`(
>but SOMEbody's gotta do it!!' /./..=' /./..'
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: EDICT FOR THE ... --- SCARY MONSTERS |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:17:29 -0400 (EDT) |
|
On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Dean Troy wrote:
> From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114056113185089095081021203102129208071" >dean6886@--------</a> (Dean Troy)
>
>
> Is Sulla 30 yrs old yet?-- I thought he was like around 26 or 28
> years old and running for consul. I don't like the offhand possibilities
> of this one along with law 2. V to be voted on ( what if this isn't
> passed and yet Sulla is elected consul?). I'm sure the whole body of
> this will pass but in the future let's try not to get into any
> potentially bad situations like this by putting contradictory items in
> the same voting session. If he is under 30 I'm sure we all can see the
> potentially messy, disruptive and annoying situation that could occur.
Salve!
Clause IV exempts anyone holding the office--or any of the offices--at the
time of the passage of the law, so Sulla would be exempt from its
provisions (since he will assume the office at the time it is passed--if
it is passed), as would anyone else, a provincial governor for example,
who is under the designated age.
Vale,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul
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| Subject: |
List Behaviour |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:17:34 PDT |
|
Salvete! Scripsit Helena Equitia Ovidia:
> From: "Helena Equitia" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=123212192165158072112061186101192165094048139046" >gretagoring@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: [ViaTrames] Digest Number 19
>
>
>I think the main list needs to see this.
>
>If we look at "dishonorable" in the dictionary we shall see
>Crys's face. Sulla has been there during Crys's pregnancy from
>December 1998 forward and valued Crys as one of his best friends
>in Nova Roma. Let's all look at what friendship means to Crys.
>And this is our Priestess.
>
>I can think of another offensive and prejudiced adjective and
>noun for you Crys but I am not going to sink to your level.
>I expect our childish moderator of the Via Trames to boot us off
>the list but I want to get one final statement out. I am in love
>with Lucius Cornelius Sulla and he has more integrity in his
>pinkie finger than you do in your entire body!!!
>
>Sorry blankety-blank!!!
>
>Helena Equitia Ovidia
>
>
> >From: "Don an--------ys Meaker" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=230166014180193192112218004036129208" >famromo@--------</a>
> >
> >Sorry fat boy!! It's MY list and I'll do whatever I damn well please
> >with it!! Keep em or boot em --- it's MY call!!
> >
> >Crys (not large, but DEFINiTELY in charge)
Now I for one, Cives, _don't_ need to see this sort of thing on the Main
List. If I want to read Via Trames stuff, I'll subscribe.
Personally, I believe that the best way to vent one's anger against a Via
Trames smear is to reply to the Via Trames List; if attacked on the Main
List (and _if_ it still seems a good idea to retaliate after some
reflection), then one can by all means do so on the Main List, since that's
where the offending post originated and it's already in the public domain.
To post minority list extracts, on the other hand, out of their original
context, for the express purpose of personal attack, seems to me to be
verging on the unacceptable.
The Via Trames List was last advertised to the Main List by Crys on 18
August 13:54:44 -0000 as follows:
"There you will find... all manner of outrageous material. Please remember,
if you don't like what you read, you are welcome not to ever access the page
again."
So I didn't, and sensitive souls certainly shouldn't. But if they do, they
have no right to get offended, then to cut and paste it on to this List by
way of denunciation. Do we have a policy on this sort of thing, Fimbria?
Valete in pace,
Vado.
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| Subject: |
Re: De civitate et sententiis |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:41:54 EDT |
|
In a message dated 8/24/99 10:29:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> writes:
<< But if someone gives up on Nova Roma (relinquishing citizenship), I think
that we should hesitate to address that person here in this forum. Hey, if
they wanted to express opinions on Nova Roma and listen to the opinions of
citizens, and maybe do something with Nova Roma, they could have kept their
citizenship.
>>
True, but then are you suggesting the list be only open to citizens? Is it
ethical to keep a former citizen off the list but allow someone who hasn't
been granted citizenship to remain on? Hmmm...things to ponder.
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Comments on proposed laws |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:52:45 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salvete! I thought I would elaborate on a few of the clauses in the laws I
have proposed. My thanks for the advice of Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Marcus Cassius Iulianus, Lucius Cornelius Sulla and Gaius Marius Merullus.
> Lex Iunia de Magistratuum Aetate
>
> This law shall regulate the minimum age a person may hold specific
> magistracies.
>
> I. No person may assume the office of censor or consul until he or she
> has reached the age of 30.
>
> II. No person may assume the office of praetor or tribune of the plebs
> until he or she has reached the age of 25.
>
> III. No person may assume the office of quaestor, aedile, or be
> appointed to the position of provincial governor, until he or she has
> reached the age of 21.
>
> IV. Any person holding one of the aforementioned positions at the time
> of the passage of this law shall be exempt from its provisions for the
> remainder of his or her current term.
There has been a concern raised that Lucius Cornelius Sulla would not be
eligible to be consul under this law. That would be true if this law were
in effect. However, it is not yet in effect. It will not come into effect
until voting is completed. At that time, Lucius Cornelius Sulla will
become consul and this law--if passed--will come in effect--at the same
time. He will hold the position at the time of the passage of this law.
Or, if you wish to look at it another way, as if we were standing in
the well of the comitia, item 1 would pass first, then item 2, then item
3. This law--if passed--will be in effect when the election is held in a
few weeks for the position of praetor that will be empty when Lucius
Cornelius becomes consul.
> V. An exemption to this law may be granted to a person by
> the approval of both censors and a senatus consultum approved by a two
> thirds majority vote.
I put this clause in because I think it useful to have a legal way to
circumvent a law and yet it should be difficult for the exemption
to be used. The approval of the censors I inserted because they maintain
the Album Civium and the Album Senatorium, and because they are supposed
to be less political than other offices. (I suspect I will be the last
person to hold both the office of consul and censor at the same time.
Perhaps this will be a future law.)
> 3. To vote on the following law:
>
> Lex Iunia de Temporum Definitione Consulatuum
>
> This law shall regulate the amount of times a person may hold the office
> of consul during a specified time period.
>
> I. No person shall hold the office of consul for two years
> consecutively, or in any five year period, hold the office of consul more
> than twice.
A simple, self-explanatory law, fully in keeping with the Mos Maiorum.
This will prevent any particular set of people from from dominating the
office of consul year after year.
In Service to Rome,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul of Nova Roma
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Quis ita familiaris est barbaris,
ut aram Victoriae non requirat!"
Quintus Aurelius Symmachus
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| Subject: |
In Memoriam |
| From: |
JSA varromurena@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:37:37 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salve et Commemorate!
On this day, 1,920 years ago, our ancient compatriots
in the towns of Pompeii and Herculaneum were killed in
the eruption of Vesuvius.
Vale.
L. Licinius Varro Murena
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: EDICT FOR THE ... --- SCARY MONSTERS |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:33:45 -0400 |
|
Salvete Consul Deci Iuni et alii
Perhaps you could remove the Lex de Magistratuum Aetate from the agenda of
the forthcoming assembly?
I think that it is a good and necessary law but don't want to see any dark
cloud hanging over Sulla's candidacy. The law could always be reintroduced
by a future consul or praetor, maybe even within a year.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
>From: Decius Iunius Palladius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Dean Troy wrote:
>
>> From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114056113185089095081021203102129208071" >dean6886@--------</a> (Dean Troy)
>>
>>
>> Is Sulla 30 yrs old yet?-- I thought he was like around 26 or 28
>> years old and running for consul. I don't like the offhand possibilities
>> of this one along with law 2. V to be voted on ( what if this isn't
>> passed and yet Sulla is elected consul?). I'm sure the whole body of
>> this will pass but in the future let's try not to get into any
>> potentially bad situations like this by putting contradictory items in
>> the same voting session. If he is under 30 I'm sure we all can see the
>> potentially messy, disruptive and annoying situation that could occur.
>
>Clause IV exempts anyone holding the office--or any of the offices--at the
>time of the passage of the law, so Sulla would be exempt from its
>provisions (since he will assume the office at the time it is passed--if
>it is passed), as would anyone else, a provincial governor for example,
>who is under the designated age.
>
>Vale,
>
>Decius Iunius Palladius,
>Consul
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