Subject:	Re: : ATTN: ITEM 2 WITHDRAWN
From:	Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@--------
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:54:08 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, RMerullo wrote:

> From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
> Salvete Consul Deci Iuni et alii

Salve G. Mari,

> Perhaps you could remove the Lex de Magistratuum Aetate from the agenda of
> the forthcoming assembly?
>
> I think that it is a good and necessary law but don't want to see any dark
> cloud hanging over Sulla's candidacy. The law could always be reintroduced
> by a future consul or praetor, maybe even within a year.


I think that perhaps you are right. In the interests of clarity, and so
that there is no question as to Sulla's right to assume the office of
consul, **I hereby withdraw item 2 from the agenda for the upcoming
vote.** Perhaps I will resubmit it in a few weeks when there will be no
question that he will be covered under clause IV of the law.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul

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Subject:	Roman Nanes
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:25:28 -0400 (EDT)

In regard to Roman Names, there is a rather extensive list of Roman
Names taken from Roman Burial sites / Tomstones throughout the Empire.
These names and stones may in some cases give the individual's career
skills and something of his history. My name for instance is adopted
from a Meles Immunes (Legionary Immune from Century Fatigues) and who
served in his legio as a Gromaciti (Military Surveyor) and as a
Gubernator (Pilot). He probably served in the 20th Legion based on the
location of the tomb marker. I do not have the name of the listing at
my finger-tips, but I will post this message to NovaRoma Onelist as
well, being sure that one of our historians will be glad to help.

Marcus Municius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	OT a little further Re: Ancestors
From:	George VanDeWater VanDeWGe@--------
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:20:01 -0600

Salve,

I stem from Sept Fleming of Clan Murray and find this discussion very interesting. The Fleming sept originated with 30 Flemish knights and their entourage which cam to serve King David I and were give estate near Aberdeen.

>>> Steven Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a> 08/23 8:12 PM >>>
From: Steven Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>

Ave og Hailsa Friend Vado;

Nicolaus Moravius wrote: An interesting post of the Boii and Moravia.
>
> The doings of Clan Murray are obviously off-topic and I only mention it here
> because this is one of the lines I do definitely descend from. And from a
> number of Gauls who may or may not have come from Bibracte and environs a
> few centuries earlier. Now some would say that to claim descent from the
> Boii because I'm a Murray is extremely suppostitious, and I agree. But then,
> if Caesar Augustus can claim descent from the goddess Venus through Aeneas
> (and his isn't the only tenuous, mythologised Roman pedigree by a long way),
> then I reckon I can claim what I just did too. It might even be true. Not
> that it would make me a different person, would it?
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Vado.
>

A side note to your pride in Clan Murray. One of the respected leaders in
American Asatru (the Religion to which I adhere) is Michael "Valgard"
Murray. He is quite proud of his descent from Clan Murray.

In Frith et Amicus - Venator AKA Piparskegg

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Subject:	Some Horse's Ass may be to Blame
From:	"LegionXXIV" <a h--------"/post/nova--------?p--------ctID=226056178009193116001195151189114012071048139" >LegionXXIV@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:19:09 -0400

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Year of Rome 2752

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Subject: Some Horse's Ass may be to Blame


With all the serious discussion on the List lately; maybe a little
knowledge?... and levity might be in order?

The US Standard railroad gauge (distance between rails) is
4 feet, 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number.
Why was that gauge used?
Because that's the way the first railways were built in England,
and the first US railroads were built by English expatriates.


Why did the English people build them like that?
Because the first rail lines in Europe were designed and
built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways,
and that's the gauge they used.


Why did "they" use that gauge then?
Because the people who designed and built the tramways
used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons,
which used that same wheel spacing.


Okay, why did the wagons use that odd wheel spacing?
Well... when they tried to use any other spacing, the wagons
were prone to breaking down on some of the old,
long distance roads, because that's the spacing
of the old wheel ruts.


So who created these old rutted roads?
The first long distance roads in Europe were built by
the Legions of Imperial Rome for the same reason
the autobahns were built by Hitler and the Interstates
were constructed in the U.S.
To facilitate the movement of troops and supplies
throughout the Empire - Reich - Country.


And the ruts? The initial ruts, which everyone else had
to match for fear of destroying their wagons, were first
made by Roman war chariots.
Since the chariots were all made to certain specifications
for or by Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter
of wheel spacing.


Thus, we have the answer to the original questions.
The United States standard railroad gauge of
4 feet, 8.5 inches derives from the original specification
(Military, as it were) for an Imperial Roman army war chariot.


But one "nagging" question still remains.
Why did the design of the Roman army war chariots
incorporate that specific wheelbase?


Answer: Because the chariots were designed to be
just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of
two war horses.


So, the next time you are handed some odd ball specification
and you assume that some horse's ass was responsible for
coming up with it, you may be exactly right!


Tuus in Sodalicio Respublica Romanae
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic

Gallio / George

Subject:	Re: Some Horse's Ass may be to Blame
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:24:28 -0400 (EDT)

Well Done Gallio!!!

At first I figured that you had flipped and Web-Mistress was abot to
bounce you off the net, but what a neat story!!! It is certain that we
need more of that kind of stuff to keep the spirits up!! Three Cheers
for Gallio!!!!!

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Some Horse's Ass may be to Blame
From:	"M. Pap--------s Justus" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197166104009127132130232203026129208071" >pap--------s@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:40:47 -0400

Salvete!

We do, of course, realize that the tale is an urban legend ...

dm



At 05:24 PM 25/08/1999 -0400, you wrote:
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------br>
Well Done Gallio!!!

At first I figured that you had flipped and Web-Mistress was abot to
bounce you off the net, but what a neat story!!! It is certain that we
need more of that kind of stuff to keep the spirits up!! Three Cheers
for Gallio!!!!!

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Subject:	Re: Some Horse's Ass may be to Blame (rebut)
From:
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:37:05 EDT

<< Subject: Some Horse's Ass may be to Blame
With all the serious discussion of the List lately; maybe a little
knowledge?... and levity might be in order?
...The United States standard railroad gauge of
4 feet, 8.5 inches derives from the original specification
(Military, as it were) for an Imperial Roman army war chariot.
But one "nagging" question still remains.
Why did the design of the Roman army war chariots
incorporate that specific wheelbase?
Answer: Because the chariots were designed to be
just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of
two war horses.<<

Salvete!
Usually I don't comment on things like this, because the absurdity is so
recognizable. However, since I have been noticing that things like this are
getting repeated and finding themselves in print as fact, I felt as the
resident Roman military historian I'd better put a stop to this. So I'll
drag myself way from my research on Gaius Caesar Germanicus for moment.
Fact 1. Romans didn't have war chariots. Their mentor the Etruscans did,
but they were on the decline when Rome won their independence from the
Etruscans. The problem with the idea that they did adopt the system was that
the Etruscans used Quad teams, i.e., four horse chariots with the team four
abeast, and this idea mentions two horse chariots.
Fact 2. I heard this same idea expressed when I was an undergrad at UC .
That is that ruts caused in the lanes by the Roman army supply wagons over
the time of the occupation, forced a standardization of British wagon
specifications, but I don't believed this was ever proved to anyone's
satisfaction.
Fact 3. The width of the Roman military road was designed to accommodate the
maniple columns marching six abreast.
Now you know the rest of the story.
Oh yes, Romans had two horse chariots, before someone jumps on me about that
fact. I know this. But they were for ceremonial and personal use, were
expensive to maintain and they were never used in battle.
And now I return to the life of Gaius Caesar.
Valete
Q. Fabius

Subject:	Re: Digest Number 521
From:
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:27:10 EDT

Dexippus, members of Gens Luciania, and citizens of Nova Roma,

I have not been able to contribute to this list recently because on a very
serous work related injury. It is though the help of a friend that I am
writing you this now.

I am a Project Specialist for the local courty system. My job is to
supervise youth criminal offenders who are working off their community
service. As a result I supervise workers at a number so sites.

Recenty at one site my right arm became entangles in a machine called an agur
(sp?) which is basically a giant drill connected to a tractor. The machine
ground up my arm along with my chest, side, back, and shoulder area. All
limbs are still attached but the flesh has the consistency (and appearence)
of raw hamburger meat. It is completely shredded. I am hoping that it will
heal well and that the skin will grow back in time. The doctor said that had
I not been strong enough (the gym must have helped out) to tear myself out of
the machine that in less than another second my arm would have wrapped around
teh spinning axil and been torn off at either the elbow (which is badly
damaged) or the shoulder (which is tore all up). Being further twisted into
the machine would have also probably resulted in my leg catching the drill.
The gods were with me and Fortuna shined down upon me. My injuries would
have been far worse.

This is why I haven't been (and probably won't for some time) contributing to
the list. I wish you all well. If you need to email me you can reach me at
my person--------m----------------ess <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132176253213194233015098190036129" >Diomus@--------</--------; but I prob-------- won't be -------- to
check the NR list. Thank you for your patience.

Vale,
Diomus

Subject:	Election Questions
From:	Mariu--------mbria <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:06:09 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete omnes...

Dixit Palladius Consul:
> The auspices having been taken and the omens being good, I hereby
> announce that the Comitia Centuriata will be convened three days from
> now, at 2300 (11:00 PM) on Thursday, August 26, 1999, to vote on the
> following items:

OK, I have some (maybe simple, maybe silly) questions about the
procedure. Since this is happening tomorrow evening on the last hour
of my work-shift, I need to be absolutely clear on the following before
I leave the house around noon:

1) What exactly does it mean to 'convene' a virtual Comitia at
such-and-such a time and place? Do we meet in the Forum Chat, on a
designated boardroom, or are we all just going to converge on the Cista
page at that time?
2) 2300 in what time zone? (VERY important)
3) Will there be debate, wherever this is, or are we meeting solely to
vote? (What happened to contiones, those designated online
discussions?)
4) If, as is highly likely in my case, someone is involved with
something else (I might be stuck on a call) at the designated time, and
can't be there at exactly 11pm, what happens--and have they missed
something?
5) Has the Cista page (previously closed) been updated to reflect the
candidates and issues being voted on in this special election?

Sorry if I'm overlooking the obvious, but hey...you've never done this
before either...! >({|;-)
************************************************************
Lucius Marius Fimbria |>[SPQR]<|
mka Märia Villarroel |\=/|
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> ( ~ 6 )~~~----...,,__
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and Citizen of Nova Roma ``=.\ (__==\_ /\ }
'Just a-hangin' around the Universe, | | / )\ \| /
bein' a Roman... It's hard work, _|_| / _/_| /`(
but SOMEbody's gotta do it!!' /./..=' /./..'

Subject:	Re: Digest Number 521
From:	Steven Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:21:15 -0700

Ave Diomus,

<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132176253213194233015098190036129" >Diomus@--------</--------; wrote: A post --------t his --------too good re-------- for his list
absense.

May Apollo the Divine Physician inspire as full a healing as possible!
May Heracles the Friend of Man continue to Bless you with strength!

I thank you for your service to society.

In Amicus - Venator

Subject:	Notice of Adoption
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:05:05 -0400

Salvete Omnes,

As censor and paterfamilias of gens Vedia, I hereby announce and declare
that Titia Irisia, formerly a daughter of gens Titia, is hereby adopted into
my own gens. She has done this of her own free will and with both my consent
and blessing. I welcome her into my family with open arms, and am personally
thrilled that the bonds of friendship which have led to this action have
turned into the bonds of family.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus

Subject:	Re: Notice of Adoption
From:
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:15:57 -0700

Congratulations! Titia Irisa, so what would your name now be??? Would it be
Titia Vedia Irisia?

Vale

L. Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus et Senator
----- Original Message -----
From: Flavius Vedius Germa--------s <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 7:05 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Notice of Adoption


> From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> >
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> As censor and paterfamilias of gens Vedia, I hereby announce and declare
> that Titia Irisia, formerly a daughter of gens Titia, is hereby adopted
into
> my own gens. She has done this of her own free will and with both my
consent
> and blessing. I welcome her into my family with open arms, and am
personally
> thrilled that the bonds of friendship which have led to this action have
> turned into the bonds of family.
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus
>
>
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Subject:	Re: Some Horse's Ass may be to Blame (rebut)
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:24:30 -0400

Salvete

Congratulations, Milites Novae Romae. We have successfully repelled yet
another attempt by the forces of Levity to break into our territory. Our
frowns are safe on our and our families' faces.

Well done!

By the way, given that Marsallas is a re-enactor, isn't it safe to assume
that he knows that the Romans did not use war chariots?

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus


:From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
:
:

:Salvete!
:Usually I don't comment on things like this, because the absurdity is so
:recognizable. However, since I have been noticing that things like this
are
:getting repeated and finding themselves in print as fact, I felt as the
:resident Roman military historian I'd better put a stop to this. So I'll
:drag myself way from my research on Gaius Caesar Germanicus for moment.

Subject:	Re: Digest Number 521
From:
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:44:00 EDT

In --------ss--------d-------- 8/25/99 8:29:46 PM E--------rn D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132176253213194233015098190036129" >Diomus@--------</--------;
writes:

<< I have not been able to contribute to this list recently because on a very
serous work related injury. It is though the help of a friend that I am
writing you this now.
>>

May Asclepius and Hygieia grant you quick and complete recovery!

Marcus Cassius Julianus

*********
ASCLEPIUS

You grant the art of healing.
You give medicine.
Kind physician
We honor you

Grace us
with good health.

Ease our pain,
Restrain pestilence,
Quench raging disease.

Apollo's honored son,
constant warrior
against sickness,

Husband of the Goddess
with shining hair
healthy Hygieia,

Saviour,
defend life,
ease death.

Subject:	Re: Election Questions
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:39:20 -0400

Salvete Fimbria et alii

My reply is not intended as a substitute for that of the censores, and I
don't speak for them, but I can say this...


:From: Mariu--------mbria <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
:
:OK, I have some (maybe simple, maybe silly) questions about the
:procedure.

There are no silly questions, because we have yet to do this thing.

Since this is happening tomorrow evening on the last hour
:of my work-shift, I need to be absolutely clear on the following before
:I leave the house around noon:
:
:1) What exactly does it mean to 'convene' a virtual Comitia at
:such-and-such a time and place? Do we meet in the Forum Chat, on a
:designated boardroom, or are we all just going to converge on the Cista
:page at that time?

It is my understanding, to which I invite correction, that this means
practically that voting can begin at that time. You will not miss anything
by being otherwise occupied at the moment that the comitia centuriata is
convened.

:3) Will there be debate, wherever this is, or are we meeting solely to
:vote? (What happened to contiones, those designated online
:discussions?)

I believe that this list is the appropriate forum for contiones. It is the
logical place for such until further notice from the censores.

:4) If, as is highly likely in my case, someone is involved with
:something else (I might be stuck on a call) at the designated time, and
:can't be there at exactly 11pm, what happens--and have they missed
:something?

No, I don't think so.

::Sorry if I'm overlooking the obvious, but hey...you've never done this
:before either...! >({|;-)

By posting questions, you make less likely your own or someone else's
overlooking something. So thank you for your questions.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus
rogator

Subject:	A note of History I found out
From:
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:47:55 -0700

Today marks the 1,674th anniversary of the Nicene Creed. Which the Emperor Constantine presided over. If you are interested in seeing the article posted at about.com Here is the URL. <a href="http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/weekly/mcurrent.htm?pid=2765&cob=home" target="_top" >http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/weekly/mcurrent.htm?pid=2765&cob=home</a>

L. Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus et Senator

Subject:	which gods preside over auto body repair?
From:	"Darth Vilmur; Dark Lord o--------e Sith" <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=114166091165042237215056001163243012136219139046209" >darth_vilmur@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:42:52 -0700

friends romans and country me, lend me your browsers.
i just need to vent. today when i got home from my martial arts lessons
i smashed my car into (brand new just bought it a month ago) a parked
car to give some one else room to get around me when he came wide around
a corner.

so my question is what gods cover this area. and what kind of rituals
are out there for me to perform?
well anyways
take it easy
californius