| Subject: |
EDICT: Oath of Office |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 7 Sep 1999 01:08:57 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salvete Cives Novae Romae!
I, Decius Iunius Palladius, Consul of Nova Roma hereby issue the following
edict, binding on all citizens who assume *any* magistracy of Nova Roma,
whether elected or appointed, from the date of this edict onward.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
The following oath must be taken publicly (defined as in the public forums
of Nova Roma--the forum board or the list) before someone elected or
appointed to any magistracy can assume his or her office.
I, __enter legal and Roman name here____________do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, _______________________ swear to
honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, ___________ swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State
Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten
its status as the State Religion.
I, _____________________swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
Nova Roma.
I, _____________________further swear to fulfill the obligations
and responsibilities of the office of ______________to the best of my
abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of_____________and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
Effective this day, September 7, 1999 CE, A.D. VII Id. Sept. MMDCCLII
A.U.C.
In Service to Rome,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul of Nova Roma
___________________________________________________________________________
Comments and Reasons for issuance of edict:
I have issued this edict to fill in a gap in the system, namely that there
was no official, public method for a person to declare to the Nova
Roman world his or her dedication to the state and his acknowledgement
that he was bound by links of duty. True, the Constitution states that all
magistrates must show public respect to the Religio and the Gods and
Goddesses of Rome, but an oath is a true statement of intent made before
the citizenry. It is only fitting that such an oath be taken.
The timing of this edict is because today voting ends in the Comitia
Plebis and I felt something had to be in place when the new aedile-elect
takes office. The Comitia Centuriata does not finish voting until
September 15, at which time Lucius Cornelius Sulla will take office as
consul.
Perhaps, as the consul-elect has stated, later on we will present this
oath to a comitia to be written into law if the need is evident. However,
in the meanwhile, this edict has the force of law (Art.IV.A.2.b. of
the Constitution) until such point in the near or distant future as it is
rescinded or superseded by a higher authority.
Note that the oath is slightly different from the old oath of office. I
have added a section that protects the Religio Romana and binds
officeholders to protect its status as the state religion. I also changed
the wording slightly in the second paragraph as well. Previously it stated
that a person must "do honor to the Gods and Goddesses" of Rome. I have
changed it to "honor the Gods and Goddesses," a slightly less active
phrase. I have also inserted a phrase binding someone to protect the
Constitution of Nova Roma.
Valete,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul
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| Subject: |
Re: EDICT: Oath of Office |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:58:32 +0100 |
|
Ita est!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Tribunus Plebis
|
| Subject: |
Audens' email |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:40:36 -0400 |
|
Salvete,
Marcus Minucius Audens (aka James Matthews) called and asked me to inform the NovaRoma onelist that he will be unable to respond to emails for a few days. His son gave him a new computer and there seems to be some problem with the phone line that he was using for his webtv.
I hope everyone had a safe and enjoayable weekend.
Valete, L Equitius Cincinnatus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Re: Announcement from the rogatores |
| From: |
"Sacro Barese Impero sbi" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166219180193237180098109077229239229102211254013241152150172" >sacro_barese_imp@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:16:13 PDT |
|
"Gaius Marius Merullus" wrote:
>True. There are at least two reasons, however, that voters would want to
>exercise their vote anyway in the current two assemblies:
>
>i) Lex Iunia de Temporum Definitione Consulatuum, a law with which one
>either agrees or disagrees. The only way to make your agreement or
>disagreement count is to vote on it in the Comitia Centuriata
>ii) If noone votes, voting, assemblies and other republican institutions
>will fall by the wayside. We'll be left at best with either a club or some
>form of perpetual dictatorship.
Yes this is the lex. If there aren't citizens that vote the institutions
fall. But at the lex one only vote elect the Consul. And do you thing that
the candidate don't vote himself?
Yes this is an ancient roman lex, but we must be realistic. This election's
system is too simple for the candidate. This isn't the only system of
antique Roma. I remember you that Romans invented a lot of system of
society. They invented the bipolarism too and the free election of the
consules.
It's more democratic if there is a public question for the candidates and we
can choose a candidate between more.
i don't know what is the political ideology of NR, but a fact like this was
in history of Italy. In the '20s a political party estabilished this system
killing the other parties. It was the Fascism!
Sorry but if NR is fascist, I want change it.
Vale,
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Consul of S.B.I.
|
| Subject: |
ATTN: Comitia Plebis |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:42:20 +0100 |
|
Salvete
Just a reminder that today is the last voting day.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Tribunus Plebis
|
| Subject: |
Re: Re: Announcement from the rogatores |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:48:16 -0400 (EDT) |
|
On Tue, 7 Sep 1999, Sacro Barese Impero sbi wrote:
> From: "Sacro Barese Impero sbi" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166219180193237180098109077229239229102211254013241152150172" >sacro_barese_imp@--------</a>
> "Gaius Marius Merullus" wrote:
>
> >True. There are at least two reasons, however, that voters would want to
> >exercise their vote anyway in the current two assemblies:
> >
> >i) Lex Iunia de Temporum Definitione Consulatuum, a law with which one
> >either agrees or disagrees. The only way to make your agreement or
> >disagreement count is to vote on it in the Comitia Centuriata
> >ii) If noone votes, voting, assemblies and other republican institutions
> >will fall by the wayside. We'll be left at best with either a club or some
> >form of perpetual dictatorship.
>
> Yes this is the lex. If there aren't citizens that vote the institutions
> fall. But at the lex one only vote elect the Consul. And do you thing that
> the candidate don't vote himself?
> Yes this is an ancient roman lex, but we must be realistic. This election's
> system is too simple for the candidate. This isn't the only system of
> antique Roma. I remember you that Romans invented a lot of system of
> society. They invented the bipolarism too and the free election of the
> consules.
> It's more democratic if there is a public question for the candidates and we
> can choose a candidate between more.
There are as many candidates as ran for the offices during the designated
campaign period. One person ran for consul--one person is on the ballot.
One person ran for aedile--one is on the ballot. There was at least one
other person interested in running for aedile but they presented
themselves too late, either after voting started or just before when the
ballot was already presented. We can not force people to participate or
run for office--they must make those decisions themselves.
With only three months left in the terms, it is likely that potential
candidates decided to wait until they could run for a full term. I have no
doubt that there will be a full battery of candidates in the Fall and
perhaps for the upcoming praetor's race (details soon to be announced).
Still, there is the question of the Lex on the ballot. This is the first
opportunity ever for Nova Romans to vote on a law, either for or against.
It is a historic moment--if for no other reason people should vote.
> i don't know what is the political ideology of NR, but a fact like this was
> in history of Italy. In the '20s a political party estabilished this system
> killing the other parties. It was the Fascism!
> Sorry but if NR is fascist, I want change it.
The best way to change things or to have a voice is to participate in the
election process and if you feel very strongly, run for an office in the
next election.
Vale,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul of Nova Roma
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Quis ita familiaris est barbaris,
ut aram Victoriae non requirat!"
Quintus Aurelius Symmachus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Re: Announcement from the rogatores |
| From: |
Michael Marconi <a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=194233014237146192033082190" >ro--------...</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:57:51 -0400 |
|
Fascism - what's to fear from it. Nationalistic, anti-Communist, glorifying wars
( something the Romans did continuously), unifying the various peoples... sounds
pretty good to me.
Sacro Barese Impero sbi wrote:
> From: "Sacro Barese Impero sbi" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166219180193237180098109077229239229102211254013241152150172" >sacro_barese_imp@--------</a>
>
> "Gaius Marius Merullus" wrote:
>
> >True. There are at least two reasons, however, that voters would want to
> >exercise their vote anyway in the current two assemblies:
> >
> >i) Lex Iunia de Temporum Definitione Consulatuum, a law with which one
> >either agrees or disagrees. The only way to make your agreement or
> >disagreement count is to vote on it in the Comitia Centuriata
> >ii) If noone votes, voting, assemblies and other republican institutions
> >will fall by the wayside. We'll be left at best with either a club or some
> >form of perpetual dictatorship.
>
> Yes this is the lex. If there aren't citizens that vote the institutions
> fall. But at the lex one only vote elect the Consul. And do you thing that
> the candidate don't vote himself?
> Yes this is an ancient roman lex, but we must be realistic. This election's
> system is too simple for the candidate. This isn't the only system of
> antique Roma. I remember you that Romans invented a lot of system of
> society. They invented the bipolarism too and the free election of the
> consules.
> It's more democratic if there is a public question for the candidates and we
> can choose a candidate between more.
>
> i don't know what is the political ideology of NR, but a fact like this was
> in history of Italy. In the '20s a political party estabilished this system
> killing the other parties. It was the Fascism!
> Sorry but if NR is fascist, I want change it.
>
> Vale,
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> Consul of S.B.I.
>
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| Subject: |
Re: The Social War - announcement |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:08:59 EDT |
|
Salvete!
Due to worsening relations with our Social allies and the rebellion at Nola,
and the riot at Asculum Picentum where a Praetor of Rome was killed, the
temple of Ianus is now open, the Spear has been cast and Rome is at war with
the Allies.
The Senate of Rome makes these announcements:
Mincus Mindus Audens, as Senior Consul, receives Cisalpine Gaul as his
province.
Antonius Gryllus Graecus, as Junior Consul, receives Sicily as his province
Lucius Fabius Metellus, as Praetor Urbanus is at Rome.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla, as Praetor Pereginus receives Umbria.
Gnaeus Tarquinius Caesar is appointed Legatus and is charged to maintain
Eturia.
Caius Marius Merullus, is appointed Legatus and is charged to maintain
Campania
May the Gods preserve the Senate and the People of Rome!
- Fabius Princeps Senatus.
(Looks like fun? You bet. Still time to join! Send an e-mail to
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=061044104089235135169082190036" >sfp55@--------</--------; --------s--------You w--------to join the Soci----------------
Q. Fabius, Curule Aedile
"Entertaining the people of Rome.")
|
| Subject: |
PBS Special "In the Footsteps of Alexander the Great" |
| From: |
Jenn--------nt <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029233253185018190112158203026129208071" >moonloon@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:54:46 -0400 |
|
If you're at *all* interested, check out this website -- it's really great:
www.pbs.org/mpt/alexander
Looks like the program has already run, however.
I. Ovidia Luna, a/k/a Jenni Hunt
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029233253185018190112158203026129208071" >moonloon@--------</a>
Teacher, writer, secretary, and *still* Friend of Cows
Look for me on ICQ (#488714) or AIM (Mooonloon)
|
| Subject: |
Re: The Social War - announcement |
| From: |
George VanDeWater <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=081166234150056086048038203219129208071" >vandewge@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 07 Sep 1999 17:20:23 -0600 |
|
Salve,
I am ready to serve Nova Rome in the Social Wars.
Vale,
G. Africanus Secundus Germanicu
>>> <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------; 09/07 3:08 PM >>>
From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
Salvete!
Due to worsening relations with our Social allies and the rebellion at Nola,
and the riot at Asculum Picentum where a Praetor of Rome was killed, the
temple of Ianus is now open, the Spear has been cast and Rome is at war with
the Allies.
The Senate of Rome makes these announcements:
Mincus Mindus Audens, as Senior Consul, receives Cisalpine Gaul as his
province.
Antonius Gryllus Graecus, as Junior Consul, receives Sicily as his province
Lucius Fabius Metellus, as Praetor Urbanus is at Rome.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla, as Praetor Pereginus receives Umbria.
Gnaeus Tarquinius Caesar is appointed Legatus and is charged to maintain
Eturia.
Caius Marius Merullus, is appointed Legatus and is charged to maintain
Campania
May the Gods preserve the Senate and the People of Rome!
- Fabius Princeps Senatus.
(Looks like fun? You bet. Still time to join! Send an e-mail to
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=061044104089235135169082190036" >sfp55@--------</--------; --------s--------You w--------to join the Soci----------------
Q. Fabius, Curule Aedile
"Entertaining the people of Rome.")
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| Subject: |
Re: New England event... |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:35:29 EDT |
|
In a message dated 9/5/99 2:06:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------es:
<<
In regard to the number and names of those in the North East Province, I
have asked that question of the Pro-Consul of the Province on a couple
of occasions. He has indicated previously that the lists were not
complete, but since the voting for the latest election seems to be
going well, perhaps that situation has changed. I will ask him again.
I would doubt that an organized get-ogether will happen unless there is
a better response. Perhaps a small local visit is a better idea. As
soon as I get the information from Cassius, we'll kick it around!
>>
Salvete,
I'm afraid that even though I'm the Proconsul of the New England Provincia, I
do not have an active/up to date list of Citizens in the New England
Provincia. As no doubt everyone knows at this point, I'm no longer Censor and
do not have access to the Citizen's list.
The current Censors, Decius Iunius Palladius and Flavius Vedius Germanicus
have of course been *extremely* busy with recent events, going through the
Citizens' List so that the current vote could be undertaken, etc.
Marcus Audens, I'll write to the Censors this evening and formally request
the New England data. It may take a few days for that information to be
forthcoming. In the meantime, there's yet another question about this event
you're planning... what about people from other Provincii, such as the Media
Atlanticia Provincia? It might be helpful to post details on this planned
event on the Website. I think there is still a current events section in
there someplace. Advertising that info on the Internet List and in the
website Message board might help also.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
|
| Subject: |
Citizens living in Italy? |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:41:15 EDT |
|
Salvete,
I'm hoping that we still have a few Italian Citizens among us, as I've
recently gained the addresses of two Roman Reconstructionist resources in
Italy. Since I don't comprehend a word of Italian myself I'm hoping that
someone out there might be able to benefit from these. (And perhaps even be
able to share with the rest of Nova Roma!)
The first address is to a group, the Association of Roman Quirites:
Segretaria
Associazione Romania Quirites
Corzso Garibaldi 120
47100, Forli, Italy
The second address is to a Religio Romana publication; La Cittadella:
Salvatore C. Ruta
La Cittadella
Viale Italia n. 71
98124, Messina, Italy
It'd be great to find out about Roman reconstuction groups, etc. going on in
Italy itself. If anyone out there lives in Italy, or speaks Italian and would
like to contact these folks, I'd be most grateful to hear how it goes!
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
|
| Subject: |
Timor & the White House--Off Topic as it gets |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 07 Sep 1999 17:40:50 -0700 |
|
This would be good for a laugh if it weren't that people are dying.
Why are you sending your little pleas to the United States
government??? I would think the United Nations would be the proper
recipient. And wasn't there a lot of whining and ranting about the
United States being involved with Europeans in a European trouble
spot?
Well, if you have not been keeping up with events, the UN has given
Indonesia a 48 hour deadline to stop making people dead. A "Peace
Keeping" force is being readied. It seems it will be led by the
Australians, who will probably be more acceptable than the despicable
imperialistic Americans. At least until it is discovered that the
Australians are also even handed.
C. Aelius Ericius
|
| Subject: |
Re:Oath of Office |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:21:03 -0700 |
|
See below for my comments. Right at the beginning of the oath.
> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 01:08:57 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Decius Iunius Palladius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>
> Subject: EDICT: Oath of Office
>
> Salvete Cives Novae Romae!
>
> I, Decius Iunius Palladius, Consul of Nova Roma hereby issue the following
> edict, binding on all citizens who assume *any* magistracy of Nova Roma,
> whether elected or appointed, from the date of this edict onward.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> The following oath must be taken publicly (defined as in the public forums
> of Nova Roma--the forum board or the list) before someone elected or
> appointed to any magistracy can assume his or her office.
* * * * * Here * * * * * *
> I, __enter legal and Roman name here____________
Why the requirement for "legal name"? It is actually asking for
the "non-Roman" name since taking an oath is "YOU" taking the
oath. Or has a loop hole been found in "Honor"? It seems very
odd to me. Honor is Honor. To try to get out of something is
dishonorable, whether a shyster can find a loophole or no, one is
forsworn. I guess I should try and define "shyster" for the non-Americans.
A shyster is an shifty, unscrupulous (sp?) lawyer who stays within the
law, who is possibly unethical but does not leave evidence that would allow
one to bring him up on charges of malpractice. That is not a complete
elaboration,
but it is enough to get the idea.
C. Aelius Ericius. [Now back to the rest of the original
message.]****************
> do hereby solemnly swear
> to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
> of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
>
> As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, _______________________ swear to
> honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
> pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
>
> I, ___________ swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State
> Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten
> its status as the State Religion.
>
> I, _____________________swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
> Nova Roma.
>
> I, _____________________further swear to fulfill the obligations
> and responsibilities of the office of ______________to the best of my
> abilities.
>
> On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
> and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
> accept the position of_____________and all the rights, privileges,
> obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
>
> Effective this day, September 7, 1999 CE, A.D. VII Id. Sept. MMDCCLII
> A.U.C.
>
> In Service to Rome,
>
> Decius Iunius Palladius,
> Consul of Nova Roma
>
> ___________________________________________________________________________
> Comments and Reasons for issuance of edict:
>
> I have issued this edict to fill in a gap in the system, namely that there
> was no official, public method for a person to declare to the Nova
> Roman world his or her dedication to the state and his acknowledgement
> that he was bound by links of duty. True, the Constitution states that all
> magistrates must show public respect to the Religio and the Gods and
> Goddesses of Rome, but an oath is a true statement of intent made before
> the citizenry. It is only fitting that such an oath be taken.
>
> The timing of this edict is because today voting ends in the Comitia
> Plebis and I felt something had to be in place when the new aedile-elect
> takes office. The Comitia Centuriata does not finish voting until
> September 15, at which time Lucius Cornelius Sulla will take office as
> consul.
>
> Perhaps, as the consul-elect has stated, later on we will present this
> oath to a comitia to be written into law if the need is evident. However,
> in the meanwhile, this edict has the force of law (Art.IV.A.2.b. of
> the Constitution) until such point in the near or distant future as it is
> rescinded or superseded by a higher authority.
>
> Note that the oath is slightly different from the old oath of office. I
> have added a section that protects the Religio Romana and binds
> officeholders to protect its status as the state religion. I also changed
> the wording slightly in the second paragraph as well. Previously it stated
> that a person must "do honor to the Gods and Goddesses" of Rome. I have
> changed it to "honor the Gods and Goddesses," a slightly less active
> phrase. I have also inserted a phrase binding someone to protect the
> Constitution of Nova Roma.
>
> Valete,
>
> Decius Iunius Palladius,
> Consul
>
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> _______________________________________________________________________________
|
| Subject: |
Re:Oath of Office |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:48:14 EDT |
|
Salvete,
I believe that the Oath reads "legal AND Roman Name". Rather than an attempt
to leave a loophole so that one could subvert the "spirit" of the oath, this
looks more like an attempt to make the oath binding both to Nova Roma
standards, (requiring Roman name) and to at least the form of standards in
the outside world (legal name as recognized by one's nation of residence).
Since the Constitution will become the bylaws of Nova Roma and the
Magistrates the official legal officers as far as our nonprofit status, this
sort of requirement may not be a bad idea.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
In a message dated 9/7/99 9:22:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a> writ--------br>
<<
* * * * * Here * * * * * *
> I, __enter legal and Roman name here____________
Why the requirement for "legal name"? It is actually asking for
the "non-Roman" name since taking an oath is "YOU" taking the
oath. Or has a loop hole been found in "Honor"? It seems very
odd to me. Honor is Honor. To try to get out of something is
dishonorable, whether a shyster can find a loophole or no, one is
forsworn. I guess I should try and define "shyster" for the
non-Americans.
A shyster is an shifty, unscrupulous (sp?) lawyer who stays within the
law, who is possibly unethical but does not leave evidence that would
allow
one to bring him up on charges of malpractice. That is not a complete
elaboration,
but it is enough to get the idea.
>>
|
| Subject: |
Re: Re:Oath of Office |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:54:54 -0700 |
|
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; wrote:
> Since the Constitution will become the bylaws of Nova Roma and the
> Magistrates the official legal officers as far as our nonprofit status,
Now that you mention it, when will this be?
Ericius
|
| Subject: |
Incorporation (again). |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:14:18 EDT |
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In a message dated 9/7/99 9:56:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a> writ--------br>
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; wrote:
> Since the Constitution will become the bylaws of Nova Roma and the
> Magistrates the official legal officers as far as our nonprofit status,
Ericius:
Now that you mention it, when will this be?
>>
Salve,
There was actually a thread on this while you were on vacation. Not a wonder
you missed it... I bet you had a full mailbox when you got back! ;)
Our old "ad hoc" bylaws and Board of Directors were originally set up quickly
so that NR could get a nonprofit bank account. We HAD to have an above-board
and verifyable place to put the money that we were recieving from Citizens.
Although this was approved by the Old Senate at the time it was never
intended to be a permanent arrangement. Obviously it never got done before
the Dictatorship... the tribes etc. were considered to be in greatest need of
attention.
Since the Dictatorship, we've had to wait for the new Constitution and
officials to become "legal" before they could be put onto updated
incorporation papers. We couldn't post the new Constitution as the bylaws
before it was ratified, nor could the new Senate be the board of Directors
until their positions were settled.
With the end of the current elections, (giving us a President and Vice
President in the *two* Consuls) it will be possible to get the new paperwork
in and legal. Look for the paperwork to be set and filed about a week after
the election. It'll no doubt take a bit of time to type out the paperwork,
and then there'll be the delay in actually mailing to the state of New
Hampshire, where we're already filed.
Vale,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: Re:Oath of Office |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 07 Sep 1999 19:34:53 -0700 |
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Salve oh NOBLE Ericius....and I use that term losely. But is Shyster in the Blacks
Law Dictionary...if so please furnish the page and what edition it is in. Becuase I
have checked both the 4th and 5th edition and I dont see it there. Thank you for your
most informative research.
L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul Elect et Senator
Razenna wrote:
> From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
>
> See below for my comments. Right at the beginning of the oath.
>
> > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 01:08:57 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Decius Iunius Palladius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>
> > Subject: EDICT: Oath of Office
> >
> > Salvete Cives Novae Romae!
> >
> > I, Decius Iunius Palladius, Consul of Nova Roma hereby issue the following
> > edict, binding on all citizens who assume *any* magistracy of Nova Roma,
> > whether elected or appointed, from the date of this edict onward.
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > The following oath must be taken publicly (defined as in the public forums
> > of Nova Roma--the forum board or the list) before someone elected or
> > appointed to any magistracy can assume his or her office.
>
> * * * * * Here * * * * * *
>
> > I, __enter legal and Roman name here____________
>
> Why the requirement for "legal name"? It is actually asking for
> the "non-Roman" name since taking an oath is "YOU" taking the
> oath. Or has a loop hole been found in "Honor"? It seems very
> odd to me. Honor is Honor. To try to get out of something is
> dishonorable, whether a shyster can find a loophole or no, one is
> forsworn. I guess I should try and define "shyster" for the non-Americans.
> A shyster is an shifty, unscrupulous (sp?) lawyer who stays within the
> law, who is possibly unethical but does not leave evidence that would allow
> one to bring him up on charges of malpractice. That is not a complete
> elaboration,
> but it is enough to get the idea.
>
> C. Aelius Ericius. [Now back to the rest of the original
> message.]****************
>
> > do hereby solemnly swear
> > to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
> > of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
> >
> > As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, _______________________ swear to
> > honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
> > pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
> >
> > I, ___________ swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State
> > Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten
> > its status as the State Religion.
> >
> > I, _____________________swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
> > Nova Roma.
> >
> > I, _____________________further swear to fulfill the obligations
> > and responsibilities of the office of ______________to the best of my
> > abilities.
> >
> > On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
> > and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
> > accept the position of_____________and all the rights, privileges,
> > obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
> >
> > Effective this day, September 7, 1999 CE, A.D. VII Id. Sept. MMDCCLII
> > A.U.C.
> >
> > In Service to Rome,
> >
> > Decius Iunius Palladius,
> > Consul of Nova Roma
> >
> > ___________________________________________________________________________
> > Comments and Reasons for issuance of edict:
> >
> > I have issued this edict to fill in a gap in the system, namely that there
> > was no official, public method for a person to declare to the Nova
> > Roman world his or her dedication to the state and his acknowledgement
> > that he was bound by links of duty. True, the Constitution states that all
> > magistrates must show public respect to the Religio and the Gods and
> > Goddesses of Rome, but an oath is a true statement of intent made before
> > the citizenry. It is only fitting that such an oath be taken.
> >
> > The timing of this edict is because today voting ends in the Comitia
> > Plebis and I felt something had to be in place when the new aedile-elect
> > takes office. The Comitia Centuriata does not finish voting until
> > September 15, at which time Lucius Cornelius Sulla will take office as
> > consul.
> >
> > Perhaps, as the consul-elect has stated, later on we will present this
> > oath to a comitia to be written into law if the need is evident. However,
> > in the meanwhile, this edict has the force of law (Art.IV.A.2.b. of
> > the Constitution) until such point in the near or distant future as it is
> > rescinded or superseded by a higher authority.
> >
> > Note that the oath is slightly different from the old oath of office. I
> > have added a section that protects the Religio Romana and binds
> > officeholders to protect its status as the state religion. I also changed
> > the wording slightly in the second paragraph as well. Previously it stated
> > that a person must "do honor to the Gods and Goddesses" of Rome. I have
> > changed it to "honor the Gods and Goddesses," a slightly less active
> > phrase. I have also inserted a phrase binding someone to protect the
> > Constitution of Nova Roma.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Decius Iunius Palladius,
> > Consul
> >
> > _______________________________________________________________________________
> > _______________________________________________________________________________
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Incorporation (again). |
| From: |
Daniel Dreesbach dreesbach@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:30:19 -0700 (PDT) |
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How do we become a member of the corporation? If this corporation has
legal control over this entity I would to know more about it.
--- <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; wrote:
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------;
>
> In a message dated 9/7/99 9:56:42 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a> writ--------/font>
>
> <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; wrote:
>
> > Since the Constitution will become the bylaws of
> Nova Roma and the
> > Magistrates the official legal officers as far as
> our nonprofit status,
>
> Ericius:
> Now that you mention it, when will this be?
> >>
>
> Salve,
>
> There was actually a thread on this while you were
> on vacation. Not a wonder
> you missed it... I bet you had a full mailbox when
> you got back! ;)
>
> Our old "ad hoc" bylaws and Board of Directors were
> originally set up quickly
> so that NR could get a nonprofit bank account. We
> HAD to have an above-board
> and verifyable place to put the money that we were
> recieving from Citizens.
> Although this was approved by the Old Senate at the
> time it was never
> intended to be a permanent arrangement. Obviously it
> never got done before
> the Dictatorship... the tribes etc. were considered
> to be in greatest need of
> attention.
>
> Since the Dictatorship, we've had to wait for the
> new Constitution and
> officials to become "legal" before they could be put
> onto updated
> incorporation papers. We couldn't post the new
> Constitution as the bylaws
> before it was ratified, nor could the new Senate be
> the board of Directors
> until their positions were settled.
>
> With the end of the current elections, (giving us a
> President and Vice
> President in the *two* Consuls) it will be possible
> to get the new paperwork
> in and legal. Look for the paperwork to be set and
> filed about a week after
> the election. It'll no doubt take a bit of time to
> type out the paperwork,
> and then there'll be the delay in actually mailing
> to the state of New
> Hampshire, where we're already filed.
>
> Vale,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Re:Oath of Office |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:32:31 -0700 |
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Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:
> From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
> Salve oh NOBLE Ericius....and I use that term losely.
Just what do you mean by this? Did you use the spell check on "losely"?
> But is Shyster in the Blacks
> Law Dictionary...if so please furnish the page and what edition it is in. Becuase I
> have checked both the 4th and 5th edition and I dont see it there. Thank you for your
> most informative research.
You are welcome Oh Sulla. I am happy to educate one and all. But I would not expect
Black's to have slang.It being slang is why I put in the explanation for our fellow
citizens who are not Americans. You know that American slang
is not as generally understood as even Americans who are as well traveled as Audens might
assume.
> L. Cornelius Sulla
C. Aelius Ericius.
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| Subject: |
Re: Incorporation (again). |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:33:17 -0700 |
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I believe you must be a member of the Senate....that it is the Senate that
makes up the B of D.
L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul Elect et Senator
Daniel Dreesbach wrote:
> From: Daniel Dreesbach <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114212192056099202169102046248100208071048" >dreesbach@--------</a>
>
> How do we become a member of the corporation? If this corporation has
> legal control over this entity I would to know more about it.
>
> --- <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; wrote:
> > From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------;
> >
> > In a message dated 9/7/99 9:56:42 PM Eastern
> > Daylight Time,
> > <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a> writ--------/font>
> >
> > <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; wrote:
> >
> > > Since the Constitution will become the bylaws of
> > Nova Roma and the
> > > Magistrates the official legal officers as far as
> > our nonprofit status,
> >
> > Ericius:
> > Now that you mention it, when will this be?
> > >>
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > There was actually a thread on this while you were
> > on vacation. Not a wonder
> > you missed it... I bet you had a full mailbox when
> > you got back! ;)
> >
> > Our old "ad hoc" bylaws and Board of Directors were
> > originally set up quickly
> > so that NR could get a nonprofit bank account. We
> > HAD to have an above-board
> > and verifyable place to put the money that we were
> > recieving from Citizens.
> > Although this was approved by the Old Senate at the
> > time it was never
> > intended to be a permanent arrangement. Obviously it
> > never got done before
> > the Dictatorship... the tribes etc. were considered
> > to be in greatest need of
> > attention.
> >
> > Since the Dictatorship, we've had to wait for the
> > new Constitution and
> > officials to become "legal" before they could be put
> > onto updated
> > incorporation papers. We couldn't post the new
> > Constitution as the bylaws
> > before it was ratified, nor could the new Senate be
> > the board of Directors
> > until their positions were settled.
> >
> > With the end of the current elections, (giving us a
> > President and Vice
> > President in the *two* Consuls) it will be possible
> > to get the new paperwork
> > in and legal. Look for the paperwork to be set and
> > filed about a week after
> > the election. It'll no doubt take a bit of time to
> > type out the paperwork,
> > and then there'll be the delay in actually mailing
> > to the state of New
> > Hampshire, where we're already filed.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Marcus Cassius Julianus
> >
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| Subject: |
Re: EDICT: Oath of Office |
| From: |
Steven Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 07 Sep 1999 22:42:41 -0700 |
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Avete Omnes,
Venator scripsit:
As an elected, interegnumed, appointed and confirmed Quaestor, this is my
reply to the Consul Decius Iunius Palladius. Hereby reconfirming past oaths
sworn to the People and Senate of Nova Roma, before all the Holy Ones of all
Romans.
I, Steven P. Robinson AKA Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator (hereafter Venator),
do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always
in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Venator swear to honor the Gods and
Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in
my public and private life.
I, Venator swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State
Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten
its status as the State Religion.
I, Venator swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Venator further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of
the office of Quaestor to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.
Effective this day, September 7, 1999 CE, A.D. VII Id. Sept. MMDCCLII A.U.C.
In Amicus et Fidelis - Venator
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| Subject: |
Apology |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 07 Sep 1999 21:03:22 -0700 |
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>
> > From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
> >
> > Salve oh NOBLE Ericius....and I use that term losely.
Salvete Omnes...
I just wanted to publically apologize to my friend C. Aelius Ericius, I should not have said
that...I overreacted thinking he took a dig at me with the lawyer comment....and I do
apologize. It showed a lack of Tact on my part and was uncalled for.
L. Cornelius Sulla
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| Subject: |
List Language |
| From: |
"M. Papirius Justus" papirius@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:01:16 -0400 |
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Salvete,
Sorry to bother the list with this, but I seem to recall that one or two
folks expressed interest in my Latin course *on list* and this a.m., in my
precaffeinated stupor, I managed to delete all the messages I had from the
list for the past couple of weeks (oimoi!). If you were one of the ones,
could you please drop me a line offlist? I'll send you a brochure ...
regards,
mpj
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