| Subject: |
Re: Laws and Sausages (was EDICT: Oath of Office) |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:20:40 -0400 (EDT) |
|
On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, Nicolaus Moravius wrote:
> From: "Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>
>
> Salutem!
>
> Well, how quickly some things happen in Nova Roma, estne?
>
> One day, you're beginning a discussion with the Junior Consul about moral
> and legal discipline, external and internal - as the Junior Consul says he
> is considering whether a law might be formulated on the subject...
>
> ...and the next, before you know it, the Senior Consul has upstaged his
> junior colleague by sticking up a one-man Edict all over the place (see also
> the Forum). Sorry, Sulla. There's really no point in our discussing it now,
> is there? It has the force of law.
>
> So much for Consular co-operation. Ah, well. Better get back to my stock of
> bad jokes, I s'pose...
I didn't upstage my junior colleague as I do not yet have a junior
colleague. However, beforehand I asked my soon-to-be junior colleague his
opinion on the matter and asked for his input on the proposed oath. I then
issused the edict. We both agreed that something had to be in place before
the newly elected magistrates--himself included--took office.
He is not consul yet (not until voting is completed on September 15 and I
formally announce the results on the 16th, at which point he takes the
oath and becomes consul) and could not issue it, I had to. Currently, I am
still the only consul though thankfully this state will end next week.
As Sulla put it, this was a quick fix. Yes, it is now a law but as my
soon-to-be colleague stated, we will probably be presenting it to a
comitia before the end of our term to make it more permanant. As he
pointed out, a consular edict can be overturned by another edict but a law
passed by a comitia can only be overturned by a comitia. This will make it
more permanant, more durable you might say though not less formal than an
edict.
Vale,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul
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"Quis ita familiaris est barbaris,
ut aram Victoriae non requirat!"
Quintus Aurelius Symmachus
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| Subject: |
Cultural Preference...? (was: Re: Timor... OnTopic) |
| From: |
Marius Fimbria legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 09 Sep 1999 01:18:28 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Salvete omnes:
Signore Guasti,
You pose a good set of questions for Nova Roma's (very) long-term
consideration; however, some of them carry some very disturbing
implications for those of us raised to believe that *every* human being
is precious, regardless of nationality or creed: most especially the
following...
---
>Why NR migth not have a politic of cultural preference ?
>Isn't a micronation ? Well nations, even micronations can have a
>foreign politic, especially a foreign cultural policy, a politicy of
>preferences for those other subjects felt as nearer, as kinsmen, as
>relatives.
"Cultural Preference"...the kind of thing that says 'All else being
equal, we'd rather nuke China than Russia 'cause at least the Russians
are EUROPEANS'...?
...the perversion of the basic urge to 'flock together' into something
that demonizes all who are 'not like us'?
...the motivating force behind so much racism, the unhealthier
varieties of nationalism, 'ethnic cleansings' and other barbarities?
I don't know your age or how much you have experienced of how the world
conducts its affairs, but I have seen a *lot* of atrocity done in the
name of "cultural preference". Signore, if by that term you meant
something far milder than what my mind associates with it, please
clarify.
>And perhaps once will lobby East Timor government to vote
>at the United Nations in favour of Nova Roma being recognized as
>sovereign entity.
I'd like to see that, too, for NR's *and* East Timor's sakes...but
let's leave the wormwood of 'cultural preference' out of it, shall
we...?
>Marcus Prometheus Decius Golia
>
>Defending the LIMES of Roman civilization
>and of their more modest neolatin heirs too
Even 'Magna Roma' can only spread Herself so thin before the notion of
'frontier' becomes completely useless.
>in provincia DACIA ROMANIA, and now
>in EAST TIMOR among malay pirates !
There's the demonization already... What if one of those 'Malay
pirates' should happen to apply for Citizenship?! (Just last summer
someone was afraid to refer her friend to Nova Roma because the friend
was *black*!)
I trust my fellow Quirites have kept up with the times and have a
greatly-expanded notion of what is and is not 'like us'. In this we
have triumphed over the narrowness of our ancestors, who for centuries
did not even deem fellow-Italians fit to be Citizens. The expansion of
Roman Citizenship from 'City-of-Rome-born Patricians' to 'every
free-born male in the Empire' took almost a thousand years and was one
of ancient Rome's greatest achievements. Nova Roma has capped this by
admitting women to full civil rights, and by abolishing slavery, and by
considering 'the Empire' (for purposes of moral support) to include
anyplace with even a single Citizen dwelling there.
There is no racial, cultural, or religious requirement to join NR.
'All that is required is a love of all things Roman.' To the extent
'cultural preference' has a place at all, it is exercised by the
applicants who see in our micronation something to which they feel
kinship. NOT in our picking and choosing who we'd rather have for
neighbors...
Yours under the Eagles,
************************************************************
Lucius Marius Fimbria |>[SPQR]<|
mka Märia Villarroel |\=/|
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> ( ~ 6 )~~~----...,,__
Roman Historical Re-Creationist `\*/, ``}`^~``,,, \ \
and Citizen of Nova Roma ``=.\ (__==\_ /\ }
'Just a-hangin' around the Universe, | | / )\ \| /
bein' a Roman... It's hard work, _|_| / _/_| /`(
but SOMEbody's gotta do it!!' /./..=' /./..'
|
| Subject: |
ATTN: Comitia Plebis |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:26:19 +0100 |
|
Salvete cives
I'm here to announce that Gaius Africanus Secundus Germanicus is the new
elected Aedilis Plebis until the end of the present year.
Of the 227 plebeian voters, 36 have cast votes for Gaius Africanus Secundus
Germanicus to elect him to the office of Aedilis Plebis. The details of the
voting, tribe by tribe, are attached, saved in rich text format.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Tribunus Plebis
|
| Subject: |
Re:Cultural Preferece...? (was Re: Timor) |
| From: |
hadji hadji@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:05:54 +0200 |
|
Salve Mario Fimbria
I would like to thank you. You have said something not very pleasant,
but which needed to be said.
As a NON LATIN citizen I am always quite terrified, when somebody on NR
forums begins to use such a dark and not exactly terms as "Latin
brotherhood", "Cultural Preferences", "Romanitas", "Civilization
missions" etc etc.
An year ago when I have seen NR site for the first time, my very first
thought was: "Isn't it another neo-fascist group?" Only 50 years ago
there was another "restitutor" of Rome in Europe. Yes, I mean Mussolini
and his mad vissions of restored Rome. If there are still neo-nazists in
Germany, why there mustn't be ducce followeres in Italy? Try to imagine
what kind of slogans such a "Romans" would like to use? For you
(Americans) it is probably nothing than rediculas story, but on Balkans
the Greeks, Albanians and Serbians remember quite well all the terrific
attrocities made by Mussolini's Neo-ROMAN "civilizators".
I ask very strongly our Cenzors and you as a list moderator not to allow
NR forums to be used for racist propaganda under the banners of
"Latinity" and "Romanitas". NR is a modern organisation, open for
everyone in this world, without any ethnic, culural, national or
religious prejustices. Just few months ago the middle asians were called
"barbarians", few days ago there were offences on Russians, today we
have heard about "malayas pirates". Who will be the next? Jews, Asians,
Africians, or simply everybody who looks or think in a different way? If
NR is a "neo-latin" organisation, me personaly have nothing to do there
and to correspond with "neo-latins (fascists)".
I do appreciate the value of ancient Rome too.
But I would like shortly to count few events in the history of my native
Balkan lands and the common denominator is a "Latin civilization
missions"
- What have happend with the same Corinth, where the liberty of Hellada
was proclaimed by Flaminius and only few years later in the 1st cent.
BC?
- What did the Normans have looking for on the Balkans during the 11-12
cent?
- Is there anybody who still think that the "glorious" crussaders were
honestly buying everything they needed from the local people or they
simply kill, rape and robber the lands they passed through?
-Where finished the IV crossade and all the ancient treasuries from
Constantinopolis?
- Why the museums in Athens, Thesaloniki, Sofia are so poor compared
with the British, Luvre etc world's museums. Who is the "barbarian" here
- that one who robbed the treasuries of a given land using its weakness
or descendents of people who had created those treaseries?
And one more note about East Timor. After Cosovo, I do not believe to
any medias campaigns. I am not sure the facts and commentars served to
us are the full and only true. I have no possibility to hear directly
Indonesian's possition and to create my own opinion so thatswhy I
prefere to be quiet on that topic. But I think it is always better
everyone (every country) to resolve his (its) problems alone and without
foreign tutors. If they are not able to resolve their problems alone,
it means foreigners surely can not help them.
May be I am wrong, who knows?
Valete
Alexander Iul. Caes. probus Mac.
From: Mariu--------mbria <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
Subject: Cultural Preference...? (was: Re: Timor... OnTopic)
Salvete omnes:
Signore Guasti,
You pose a good set of questions for Nova Roma's (very) long-term
consideration; however, some of them carry some very disturbing
implications for those of us raised to believe that *every* human being
is precious, regardless of nationality or creed: most especially the
following...
---
>Why NR migth not have a politic of cultural preference ?
>Isn't a micronation ? Well nations, even micronations can have a
>foreign politic, especially a foreign cultural policy, a politicy of
>preferences for those other subjects felt as nearer, as kinsmen, as
>relatives.
"Cultural Preference"...the kind of thing that says 'All else being
equal, we'd rather nuke China than Russia 'cause at least the Russians
are EUROPEANS'...?
...the perversion of the basic urge to 'flock together' into something
that demonizes all who are 'not like us'?
...the motivating force behind so much racism, the unhealthier
varieties of nationalism, 'ethnic cleansings' and other barbarities?
|
| Subject: |
Re: Re:Cultural Preferece...? (was Re: Timor) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:44:56 +0100 |
|
Salvete Alexander et omnes
>But I think it is always better
>everyone (every country) to resolve his (its) problems alone and without
>foreign tutors. If they are not able to resolve their problems alone,
>it means foreigners surely can not help them.
Then Portugal didn't need the USA and Australian tutors to support the East
Timor invasion of 1975. Yes, the Indonesians advanced with the consentment
of USA and Australia because by that time Portugal had a left-wing
government. Now I only ask those generous tutors to restore what is our
(Portuguese) right as Administrative Power (according to UN resolutions
which were never obeyed). Portugal does not want to control East Timor
again. Our colonial period has ended and we are tired of colonial wars. We
just want those people to whom we taught our language to have the right to
their culture and to decide their own fate. We just want them to have the
same rights as others so hardly defended by the International Community.
As to ethnic, cultural or any other preference, that's not the point that I
or Marco Guasti are defending. In fact it would not bother me (I would be
happy indeed for having NR reach such a distant area) to see an Indonesian
Provincia in Nova Roma. But of course you have to understand that I feel
closer to East Timor than to Indonesia. They speak my language, I have
coleague students from East Timor, I have friends from East Timor, and East
Timor is part of the history of my country.
Now, in order to have 1/1000000000000000000000000000000 fraction of what's
happenning in East Timor, imagine that after receiving the voting results of
the Comitia Plebis organized by me as Tribunus, I would declare those
results invalid and would repeat the Comitia until Gaius Africanus Secundus
Germanicus received 0 votes.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Propraetor Lusitaniae
|
| Subject: |
Re: Romanitas was Re:Cultural Preferece...? (was Re: Timor) |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:32:33 -0400 |
|
Salvete Alexander ICP Macedonice et alii
Just as barbarity is not inherited, I believe that Romanitas also is not
passed along by generations, neither genetically nor through education. It
might have been so passed down at one time, but that time came to an end
perhaps some 550 years ago, perhaps some 1500 years ago, maybe at some point
further even in the past than that.
Nothing against Italian, Hispanic or other "neolatin" cultures intended;
but to equate these cultures with the Romans is a little inaccurate, isn't
it? Where are all the Stoics, the temples to Iuppiter, Mars and Minerva?
What do Roman virtues mean in the countries dominated by those cultures?
Far less, I think, than catholic mores, redemption through confession and
regular attendance of masses. Not that there aren't many virtuous people in
all those countries, and everywhere else, but I'm talking about Roman
virtues.
If one argues that language is the more important determinant factor, then
just consider that Italian, Spanish and Portuguese are different languages.
Portuguese speakers may often understand the others, but this does not
generally work bidirectionally. And without mutual intelligibility, it is
untenable to argue that they are one language.
To argue that Hispanics, Italians, Portuguese and other modern nationalities
ARE Romans is to issue a double historical insult, both to the specified
modern nationality, which in every case has many centuries of post-Roman
shared history, and to Roma Antiqua, whose history, in my view, is special
partly because it laid a foundation for those later ones.
The insult is compounded and transformed into nationalist supremacy theory
if one takes the position that the Roman is the superman, the ideal. I
myself do believe that Romanitas is an ideal for which one can strive; but
I recognize that the ethnic components of Romanitas are long dead. Let's
not try to re-write history too much here. The so-called barbarians came in
and broke up the weakening empire, a hell of a long time ago. Where once
there were Romans, there were Franks, Lombards, Angles and many many other
peoples, who just weren't Romans.
In other words, let's have an end to the fascist crap, please.
For centuries now, Roma has lived only in history, and through its legacy.
We are trying to build Nova Roma, a new micronation that emulates the
elements of Roma that we value most. But we are not trying to
recruit/aid/support those people around the world whose genetic makeup most
closely resembles C Iulius Caesar's. In our civic lives in our native
nations or countries of residence, we can certainly embrace any cause, but
that has nothing to do with Nova Roma.
As for the notion that Nova Roma should engage in foreign policy, I wonder
how and exacly why anyone would propose to do that, since Nova Roma has 317
citizens and is not recognized by a single nation state. We just survived a
revolution from above and are just beginning to build our institutions. Our
first ever constitutional assembly has just finished electing our first
constitutionally elected magistrate. Our policy must be to survive and
grow. There is nothing else that we can do right now that has even the
remotest relevance to relations among the established nation states.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
>From: hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a>
>
>Salve Mario Fimbria
>
>I would like to thank you. You have said something not very pleasant,
>but which needed to be said.
>As a NON LATIN citizen I am always quite terrified, when somebody on NR
>forums begins to use such a dark and not exactly terms as "Latin
>brotherhood", "Cultural Preferences", "Romanitas", "Civilization
>missions" etc etc.
>
>Valete
>
>Alexander Iul. Caes. probus Mac.
>
>
>
--------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: Re: Romanitas was Re:Cultural Preferece...? (was Re: Timor) |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:49:45 EDT |
|
In a message dated 9/9/99 11:35:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> writes:
<< Just as barbarity is not inherited, I believe that Romanitas also is not
passed along by generations, neither genetically nor through education It
might have been so passed down at one time, but that time came to an end
perhaps some 550 years ago, perhaps some 1500 years ago, maybe at some point
further even in the past than that. >> etc etc etc.
I totally missed this thread but from what I have seen of it...yes, keep the
racial bullshit out of NR! We may all consider ourselves Roman because we
strive for the same ideals as our "ancestors" did...but it's definately not a
blood tie. Hell, I'm Italian and I'm not running around claiming Emperor's
Blood in my vains!
There was so much intermarriage at one point in Rome's history that any "pure
blood" would have been diluted. From that, perhaps all Europeans can (ever
so slightly) claim Roman descendancy regardless of Latin-based origin or
Celtic or otherwise....the point is - WHO KNOWS? AND WHO CARES?
I truly hope NR will not follow the ridiculous path that so many other
reconstructionist Pagan organizations are following...that is ideas of racial
purity. And I am not talking specifically of Asatru groups either! There
are groups based in Greece and Italy as well as Iceland and Norway that are
calling for Pagan Revivalism but only for their own "countrymen". For that
matter, they would probably be laughing at us for even thinking we could be
"Roman". I say RASPBERRIES to them all! Roman culture, religion, and
virtues transcended racial and national lines...this should be the ideal!
--Dexippus
|
| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: Comitia Plebis |
| From: |
George VanDeWater vandewge@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:11:37 -0600 |
|
I, G. Africanus Secundus thank those loyal citizen who took time
to express their concerns about how the past elections were held.
Having been elected by small number of the total population only
means that I will work harder to identify and meet the needs of
all the citizens of the Plebian assemblies. I hereby pledge my
Oath.
I,George Van De Water( legal) and Giaus Africanus Secundus
Germanicus do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova
Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and
the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Giaus Africanus Secundus
Germanicus swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my
public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public
and private life.
I, Giaus Africanus Secundus Germanicus swear to uphold and defend
the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear
never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State
Religion.
I, Giaus Africanus Secundus Germanicus swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Giaus Africanus Secundus Germanicus further swear to fulfill
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Aedilis
Plebis to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and
favor, do I accept the position of Aedilis Plebis and all the
rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant
thereto.
Effective this day, September 9, 1999 CE, A.D. IX Id. Sept.
MMDCCLII A.U.C.
In Service to Rome,
Giaus Africanus Secundus Germanicus,
Aedilis Plebis
>>> "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> 09/09 5:26 AM >>>
From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Salvete cives
I'm here to announce that Gaius Africanus Secundus Germanicus is the new
elected Aedilis Plebis until the end of the present year.
Of the 227 plebeian voters, 36 have cast votes for Gaius Africanus Secundus
Germanicus to elect him to the office of Aedilis Plebis. The details of the
voting, tribe by tribe, are attached, saved in rich text format.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Tribunus Plebis
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| Subject: |
Re: Cultural Preference...? (was: Re: Timor... OnTopic) |
| From: |
"Martins-Esteves" esteves@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:09:50 -0300 |
|
Avete Quirites
Señora Villaroel,
>From: Mariu--------mbria <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
>
>Salvete omnes:
>
>Signore Guasti,
(...)
>>Marcus Prometheus Decius Golia
>>
>>Defending the LIMES of Roman civilization
>>and of their more modest neolatin heirs too
(Marius Fimbria in response:)
>Even 'Magna Roma' can only spread Herself so thin before the notion of
>'frontier' becomes completely useless.
I could not disagree more. What defines the Latin way of thinking is exactly
the idea of fines (limits). This obsession begins with the foundation myth,
when Romulus de-fined the limits of the City and killed his brother for not
respecting it. Quotting Umberto Eco (in: "La Linea e il Labirinto: le
Strutture del Pensiero Latino"), the ideology of the PAx Romana and the
potilical thought of Augustus are based upon the necessity of defining
frontiers. When the notion of fines lost its importance in the Roman Empire,
the barbarian tribes imposed their nomadic view and praxis and invaded Rome.
So, with Horatius poeta, sunt certi denique fines. There are limits. There
are Romans and barbarians ways of thinking. If we strive to rebuild Roma, we
have to admit them. Of course the policy of language and thoughts doesn't
allow one to say that Malasians are barbarians and Italians are civilized,
but I can't help making personal choices. These come with identity, the Nova
Roman identity, for what is identity if not sellecting values and thoughts?
Valete
T. Horatius Atticus
>
>>in provincia DACIA ROMANIA, and now
>>in EAST TIMOR among malay pirates !
>
>There's the demonization already... What if one of those 'Malay
>pirates' should happen to apply for Citizenship?! (Just last summer
>someone was afraid to refer her friend to Nova Roma because the friend
>was *black*!)
>
>I trust my fellow Quirites have kept up with the times and have a
>greatly-expanded notion of what is and is not 'like us'. In this we
>have triumphed over the narrowness of our ancestors, who for centuries
>did not even deem fellow-Italians fit to be Citizens. The expansion of
>Roman Citizenship from 'City-of-Rome-born Patricians' to 'every
>free-born male in the Empire' took almost a thousand years and was one
>of ancient Rome's greatest achievements. Nova Roma has capped this by
>admitting women to full civil rights, and by abolishing slavery, and by
>considering 'the Empire' (for purposes of moral support) to include
>anyplace with even a single Citizen dwelling there.
>
>There is no racial, cultural, or religious requirement to join NR.
>'All that is required is a love of all things Roman.' To the extent
>'cultural preference' has a place at all, it is exercised by the
>applicants who see in our micronation something to which they feel
>kinship. NOT in our picking and choosing who we'd rather have for
>neighbors...
>
>Yours under the Eagles,
>************************************************************
>Lucius Marius Fimbria |>[SPQR]<|
> mka Märia Villarroel |\=/|
> <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> ( ~ 6 )~~~----...,,__
>Roman Historical Re-Creationist `\*/, ``}`^~``,,, \ \
> and Citizen of Nova Roma ``=.\ (__==\_ /\ }
>'Just a-hangin' around the Universe, | | / )\ \| /
> bein' a Roman... It's hard work, _|_| / _/_| /`(
> but SOMEbody's gotta do it!!' /./..=' /./..'
>
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| Subject: |
oRe: Re:Cultural Preferece...? (was Re: Timor) |
| From: |
"Martins-Esteves" esteves@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:11:16 -0300 |
|
Avete Quirites
Macedonio S.
>From: hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a>
>
>Salve Mario Fimbria
>
>I would like to thank you. You have said something not very pleasant,
>but which needed to be said.
As I can see from some postings of cives of the USA, saying something "not
very pleasent" seams to be part of the american way of life.
>As a NON LATIN citizen I am always quite terrified, when somebody on NR
>forums begins to use such a dark and not exactly terms as "Latin
>brotherhood", "Cultural Preferences", "Romanitas", "Civilization
>missions" etc etc.
>An year ago when I have seen NR site for the first time, my very first
>thought was: "Isn't it another neo-fascist group?"
In my opinion you are not less Roman than anyone in here. The parametre of
coesion for Nova Roma is cultural or even spiritual kinship, and not blood
or mother tongue. I happen to speak Portuguese (although some Portuguese
scholars say it is not Portuguese, but just Brazilian) and to live in a
country, whose culture and traditions are mainly latin. Nevertheless I feel
to have more in common with you, my Novaroman fellow from Macedonia, than
with most Brazilians. That is what ROMANITAS means to me, a mutual feeling
that puts together people from different milieus.
Valete
T. Hor. Atticus
|
| Subject: |
Re: oRe: Re:Cultural Preferece...? (was Re: Timor) |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:39:21 EDT |
|
In a message dated 9/9/99 1:30:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=070059114056017198090218141036129208" >esteves@--------</a> writes:
<< As I can see from some postings of cives of the USA, saying something "not
very pleasent" seams to be part of the american way of life.
>>
BITE ME!
Is that unplesant enough for ya?
--Dexippus
Rude, Crude, and proud to be American!
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| Subject: |
POSTED IN THE FORUM |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:03:14 EDT |
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OBSERVO!
IN HONOR OF THE GREAT GOD IVPPITER OPTIMUS MAXIMUS HOLIDAY
THE CURULE AEDILE Q. FABIUS MAXIMUS WILL SPONSOR THE FOLLOWING GLADIATOR
SHOWS at the NOVA ROMA ARENA:
<a href="http://venus.beseen.com/chat/rooms/u/440638" target="_top" >http://venus.beseen.com/chat/rooms/u/440638</a>
FRIDAY THE 10TH MORNING SHOW, 9:30 AM PDT, 12:30 PM EDT.
TWO SECUTORS,
GAIUS REGULUS FROM UMBRIA, 5'-5" 165 LBS
7 FIGHTS 5 WINS 1 ND 1 LOSS.
APPIUS FLAVIUS FROM BRUTTIA. BLONDE (OF COURSE) 5'-6" 168 LBS
10 FIGHTS 5 WINS 2 ND 3 LOSSES.
BOTH FIGHTERS ARE EVENLY MATCHED, ODDS ARE 2-3 ON FLAVIUS.
THE TRIBUNE OF THE PLEBS ANTONIUS GRYLLUS GRAECUS HAS CONSENTED TO BE EDITOR
OF THE GAMES
AFTERNOON SHOW 4 PM PDT, 7 PM EDT
THRACIAN & GAUL BOTH TIROS
PERSEUS THE THRACIAN: 5-4 150 LBS
DIVICO OF THE BOII 5-8 175 LBS
A CLASSIC CONFRONTATION OF SPEED AGAINST MUSCLE, ODDS ARE EVEN.
THERE IS NO EDITOR AT THIS TIME. INTERESTED PEOPLE PLEASE E-MAIL
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=246157057089235135162082190036" >SFP55@--------</a>.
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| Subject: |
Re: oRe: Re:Cultural Preferece...? (was Re: Timor) |
| From: |
"Martins-Esteves" esteves@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:12:41 -0300 |
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Salvete Dexippe et coeteri
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
>
>In a message dated 9/9/99 1:30:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
><a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=070059114056017198090218141036129208" >esteves@--------</a> writes:
>
><< As I can see from some postings of cives of the USA, saying something
"not
> very pleasent" seams to be part of the american way of life.
> >>
>
>BITE ME!
>
>Is that unplesant enough for ya?
Who says something about politeness? Dexippusne noster?
Atticus
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| Subject: |
Laws and Sausages |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:25:34 PDT |
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Salvete:
Thank you, Palladius and Sulla, for your calm replies to my querulous,
indignant little post of yesterday. Accipite, precor, excusionem meum
(please accept my apology)for having over-reacted. I saw something that
wasn't there. It was ungenerous of me. And the oath isn't at all bad,
really, though I still can't agree as to its necessity - by the way, Sulla,
I _was_ holding a stone when I swore my oath ;-)
It will be nice to have two co-operating Consuls again, I have to say (even
if I didn't vote for you).
Good quote of Bismark's, too, though, don't you think?
Pace,
Vado.
Quod prudentis opus? Cum possis, nolle necere;
Quid stulti proprium? Non posse et velle nocere.
(What is the work of the wise? Not to injure, though he can;
What belongs to a fool? To wish to injure, though he cannot).
- Ausonius
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: Comitia Plebis |
| From: |
"M. Papirius Justus" papirius@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:35:52 -0400 |
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Salve Tribune!
Please note that the list is set up to not allow attachments ...
regards,
mpj
At 12:26 PM 09/09/1999 +0100, you wrote:
From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Salvete cives
I'm here to announce that Gaius Africanus Secundus Germanicus is the new
elected Aedilis Plebis until the end of the present year.
Of the 227 plebeian voters, 36 have cast votes for Gaius Africanus Secundus
Germanicus to elect him to the office of Aedilis Plebis. The details of the
voting, tribe by tribe, are attached, saved in rich text format.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Tribunus Plebis
[Attachments have been removed from this message]
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| Subject: |
Re: Laws and Sausages |
| From: |
"RCW" alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:24:19 -0700 |
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Salve Vado
No offence taking.....Just to make it perfectly clear....Palladius and I
communicate almost everyday. Palladius and I have a very good working
relationship and beyond that we are good friends. So...it was no problem..
:)
Also I am availabl-------- --------il at <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> and whil--------am at
work I can respond almost immediately.
L. Cornelius Sulla
Senator
----- Original Message -----
From: Nicolaus Moravius <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:NovaRoma@--------" >NovaRoma@--------</a>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 1:25 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Laws and Sausages
> From: "Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>
>
> Salvete:
>
> Thank you, Palladius and Sulla, for your calm replies to my querulous,
> indignant little post of yesterday. Accipite, precor, excusionem meum
> (please accept my apology)for having over-reacted. I saw something that
> wasn't there. It was ungenerous of me. And the oath isn't at all bad,
> really, though I still can't agree as to its necessity - by the way,
Sulla,
> I _was_ holding a stone when I swore my oath ;-)
>
> It will be nice to have two co-operating Consuls again, I have to say
(even
> if I didn't vote for you).
>
> Good quote of Bismark's, too, though, don't you think?
>
> Pace,
>
> Vado.
>
> Quod prudentis opus? Cum possis, nolle necere;
> Quid stulti proprium? Non posse et velle nocere.
>
> (What is the work of the wise? Not to injure, though he can;
> What belongs to a fool? To wish to injure, though he cannot).
>
> - Ausonius
>
> >
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: Comitia Plebis |
| From: |
"RCW" alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:32:03 -0700 |
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Upload it to the shared File section of Onelist Please! :)
Thanks
Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: M. Pap--------s Justus <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197166104009127132130232203026129208071" >pap--------s@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] ATTN: Comitia Plebis
> From: "M. Pap--------s Justus" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197166104009127132130232203026129208071" >pap--------s@--------</a>
>
> Salve Tribune!
>
> Please note that the list is set up to not allow attachments ...
>
> regards,
>
> mpj
>
>
> At 12:26 PM 09/09/1999 +0100, you wrote:
> From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
>
> Salvete cives
>
> I'm here to announce that Gaius Africanus Secundus Germanicus is the new
> elected Aedilis Plebis until the end of the present year.
> Of the 227 plebeian voters, 36 have cast votes for Gaius Africanus
Secundus
> Germanicus to elect him to the office of Aedilis Plebis. The details of
the
> voting, tribe by tribe, are attached, saved in rich text format.
>
> Valete
>
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> Tribunus Plebis
>
>
> [Attachments have been removed from this message]
>
>
> ]|[ M. Papirius Justus ]|[ <a href="http://web.idirect.com/~atrium" target="_top" >http://web.idirect.com/~atrium</a> ]|[
>
> >
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Romanitas was Re:Cultural Preferece...? (was Re: Timor) |
| From: |
Steven Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:51:28 -0700 |
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Ave Dex et Salvete Omnes!
Venator here:
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:
>
> And I am not talking specifically of Asatru groups either!
I am to the "Tribalist" side of the Pagan/Heathen reconstructionist movement
(not all of us are "Skinhead" bogeymen ;-{) ). BUT, only the Gods have the
final say on who is really in tight with them. I agree with your (inplicit)
plea to keep an eye to the larger picture of reconstructing Community based
on principles we hold in common.
In Amicus et Fidelis - Venator Ambulator et Multispiritus
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| Subject: |
Temple of Iuno |
| From: |
"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:26:50 -0500 |
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Salvete,
The Temple of Iuno is up and running. Turns out all I had to do is
edit my name <G>.
<a href="http://famromo.wiccan.net/iuno" target="_top" >http://famromo.wiccan.net/iuno</a>
Pax,
Amethystia Crystallina
Priestess of Iuno
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| Subject: |
Castor and Pollux |
| From: |
Daniel Dreesbach dreesbach@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:27:06 -0700 (PDT) |
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How does this sign influence those born under it?
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