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Re: POSTED IN THE FORUM, GLADIATOR FIGHT ROUND II |
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Mon, 13 Sep 1999 04:27:17 EDT |
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In a message dated 9/9/1999 11:03:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, SFP55 writes:
<< OBSERVO!
IN HONOR OF THE GREAT GOD IVPPITER OPTIMUS MAXIMUS HOLIDAY
THE CURULE AEDILE Q. FABIUS MAXIMUS WILL SPONSOR THE FOLLOWING GLADIATOR
SHOW at the NOVA ROMA ARENA:
<a href="http://venus.beseen.com/chat/rooms/u/440638" target="_top" >http://venus.beseen.com/chat/rooms/u/440638</a>
MONDAY THE 10TH MORNING SHOW, 12:00 PM PDT, 3:00 PM EDT.
TWO SECUTORS,
GAIUS REGULUS FROM UMBRIA, 5'-5" 165 LBS
7 FIGHTS 5 WINS 1 ND 1 LOSS.
APPIUS FLAVIUS FROM BRUTTIA. BLONDE (OF COURSE) 5'-6" 168 LBS
10 FIGHTS 5 WINS 2 ND 3 LOSSES.
BOTH FIGHTERS ARE EVENLY MATCHED, ODDS ARE 2-3 ON FLAVIUS.
THE TRIBUNE OF THE PLEBS ANTONIUS GRYLLUS GRAECUS HAS CONSENTED TO BE EDITOR
OF THE GAMES
This fight was posponed from Friday
AT THE AFTERNOON SHOW LAST FRIDAY A SPARSE CROWD SAW TWO TIROS
PERSEUS THE THRACIAN STOP DIVICO OF THE BOII WITH A DEEP CUT ON HIS BACK
DIVICO FOUGHT TILL HE PASSED OUT FROM LACK OF BLOOD
EDITOR Q FABIUS MAXIMUS SPARED DIVICO, IN HONOR OF HIS DEFENSE
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| Subject: |
Roman feast in Gerulata, Slovakia |
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hadji hadji@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:09:43 +0200 |
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Salvete Qvirites,
I would like to share you my impressions from the Roman feast in
GERULATA (Bratislava-Rusovce, Slovakia) during the last weekend.
Gerulata was a military station on Danubian Limes (Panonia Superior) 15
km to the east of CARNUNTUM. There was a quite big civilian settlment
(larger than moder village of Rusovce), millitary camp and a Roman
villa. As I know there was stationed I ALA EQUITIS CANANEFATIS till the
end of III-rd cent. Gerulata was mentioned in the famouse Poetinger's
map near the top left corner.
As for the feast there were interesting children programs with
re-enactors, games, attractions with Romen pottery and sculpture making,
video films about Romans on the Danube ad exhibitions of Roman
artefacts. Very interesting was an exhibition of Roman terra sigillata
and modern books related to Roman history.A special attraction for
adults was a wine tasting. As I know during the second and first cent BC
the wine production was forbidden in Panonnia and the emperor Probus (a
native from Sirmium)was who legalized the wine culure in Panonnia.
There were served some dishes in the nearest restaurant made by original
(?) Roman receipts. Some re-enactors who took part in the feast were
both from Slovakia and Hungary.
I have made some photoes and hope there will be good ones, which I will
send to our NR photo gallery.
Bene vale
Alexander I.C. Probus M.
P.S. There were some informations about this feast on the web, but as I
have seen few minutes ago they have ubdated too fast the menu and these
informations are not available now.
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| Subject: |
Today |
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"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:40:01 -0500 |
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Modern Date : September 13th Market Day
Idus September The Ides of September
This day (NP), is for special religious observance.
The Ides of September are sacred to the Capitoline triad - Jupiter,
Juno and Minerva, for whom temples were dedicated in 509 BC.
Juno is the wife of Jupiter and the deified queen of heaven and
womankind. She protects the growth and well-being, as well as the
fertility, of every woman. Minerva is considered to be the sublime
female abstraction of thought or mind. The name Minerva is derived
from the word memini (to remember). Her realm is that of wisdom,
education, industriousness, commerce, and the various arts that
women practice, including sewing arts and music. Minerva is
considered to be the Roman equivalent of Athena, but not as a
warlike personification.
This is one of the days on which the salt cakes, the mola salsa,
were used as part of the sacrificial meal. This is the only day of the
month in which sacrificing and feasting would occur in public.
The Ludi Romani, the great games in honor of Jupiter (Jove)
continued this day and were celebrated through to the 19th.
September is the 'magical' seventh month (after March).
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| Subject: |
Iuno's new email address |
| From: |
"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:44:11 -0500 |
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Salvete,
I have removed the messageboard link from the Temple of Iuno
page. Somehow it was not working out for Iuno (not personal
enough for her). I have secured an email account for her, which is
forwarded to me. Should you have something to say to Iuno, a
prayer or request, you can send it to her address, it will be
forwarded to me and I will read it out loud at my alter at home. I
think this may be better, as it will then be handled by Iuno's
priestess and in any event more personalized.
The address is:
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=210130234007146198033082190" >ivno@--------</a>
Pax,
Amethystia Iunia Crystallina
Priestess of Iuno
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| Subject: |
Newsletter |
| From: |
"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:56:49 -0500 |
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Salvete,
The latest Via Trames Newsletter has been published.
<a href="http://famromo.wiccan.net/vtnews" target="_top" >http://famromo.wiccan.net/vtnews</a>
It contains VT Digest # 27 (in it's entirety, if you insist you may
double check it's accuracy in the Onelist archives, which I will be
making public), which is by far the most fascinating and revealing
digest so far. I thought long and hard before publishing this, but as
the Via Trames is a public forum I decided to do it. Anyone can
join the Via Trames and anyone can access the Via Trames News.
I give the web address, giving complete freedom to the individual to
read the News or not.
Crys
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| Subject: |
Re: [ViaTrames] Newsletter |
| From: |
"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:08:54 -0500 |
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On 13 Sep 99, at 10:56, Don and Crys Meaker wrote:
> I thought long and hard before publishing this, but as
> the Via Trames is a public forum I decided to do it.
BTW, these are my last words on the subject.
Crys
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| Subject: |
Ludi Iovis |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:13:27 +0100 |
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Salvete
The Games of Iuppiter are going to be dalayed a few minutes. Please enter
the Arena at
<a href="http://venus.beseen.com/chat/rooms/u/440638" target="_top" >http://venus.beseen.com/chat/rooms/u/440638</a>
Antonius Gryllus Graecus Aedilis Plebis et editor Ludi est in Arena.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Aedilis Plebis et coetera
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| Subject: |
Re: Today |
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JSA varromurena@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:33:59 -0700 (PDT) |
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- The name
> Minerva is derived
> from the word memini (to remember).
I thought it was from the Etruscan goddess Menrva--and
we don't know exactly what that word means.
Her realm is
> that of wisdom,
> education, industriousness, commerce, and the
> various arts that
> women practice, including sewing arts and music.
> Minerva is
> considered to be the Roman equivalent of Athena, but
> not as a
> warlike personification.
Again, from Mary Beard's latest study, I understood
there was no difference between the two, and even in
the 6th century the two were already equated.
L. Licinius Varro Murena
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| Subject: |
Re: Minerva was Today |
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"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:20:14 -0400 |
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Salvete Luci Licini et alii
>From: JSA <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=081166091180193192130061163101147165026048139046" >varromurena@--------</a>
>
>
>
>- The name
>> Minerva is derived
>> from the word memini (to remember).
>
>I thought it was from the Etruscan goddess Menrva--and
>we don't know exactly what that word means.
I don't know where I read this, but I am sure that I did read that the name
Minerva was derived from the name Menrva (how does one pronounce "Menrva"
anyway?) I suppose that Menrva might have had some relation to meminisse -
but given the great difference between Etruscan and Latin, that seems
unlikely.
>
>> Minerva is
>> considered to be the Roman equivalent of Athena, but
>> not as a
>> warlike personification.
>
>Again, from Mary Beard's latest study, I understood
>there was no difference between the two, and even in
>the 6th century the two were already equated.
How would one find Mary Beard's latest study?
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
>
>L. Licinius Varro Murena
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| Subject: |
Roman Cults |
| From: |
"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:22:49 -0500 |
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Hello all,
Well, this weekend Devin asked us if Nova Roma was a cult. Nova
Roma is a reconstructionist organization I belong to. It is about
80% Roman Pagan. The rest are either Christian, Jewish or "none
of the above". Looks like S is once again stretching. She has
shown herself to be both a racist and a religious bigot. Go figger.
Does anyone think this could actually lead to something? If so,
Don and I are both willing to give up our membership in the
organization. We would hate to, as we both really like it there, but
...... As S cannot come up with anything on her own, she is really
fishing now. We are getting prepared to buy a house and once that
happens I know she will REALLY freak. My being a stay-at-home
mom really bothers her (as she is somewhere between rarely and
never at home). This will probably make our getting married look
like childs play to her.
I have many friends in this organization, but if it looks like they will
get in any sort of trouble because of our membership, we will leave.
I know she will find nothing, but I don't want to bring a bunch of
innocent people into this.
Crys
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| Subject: |
Re: Roman Cults |
| From: |
JSA varromurena@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:23:11 -0700 (PDT) |
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um, what are you talking about?
L. Licinius Varro Murena
--- Don an--------ys Meaker <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=230166014180193192112218004036129208" >famromo@--------</a> wrote:
> From: "Don an--------ys Meaker" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=230166014180193192112218004036129208" >famromo@--------</a>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Well, this weekend Devin asked us if Nova Roma was a
> cult. Nova
> Roma is a reconstructionist organization I belong
> to. It is about
> 80% Roman Pagan. The rest are either Christian,
> Jewish or "none
> of the above". Looks like S is once again
> stretching. She has
> shown herself to be both a racist and a religious
> bigot. Go figger.
>
> Does anyone think this could actually lead to
> something? If so,
> Don and I are both willing to give up our membership
> in the
> organization. We would hate to, as we both really
> like it there, but
> ...... As S cannot come up with anything on her
> own, she is really
> fishing now. We are getting prepared to buy a house
> and once that
> happens I know she will REALLY freak. My being a
> stay-at-home
> mom really bothers her (as she is somewhere between
> rarely and
> never at home). This will probably make our getting
> married look
> like childs play to her.
>
> I have many friends in this organization, but if it
> looks like they will
> get in any sort of trouble because of our
> membership, we will leave.
> I know she will find nothing, but I don't want to
> bring a bunch of
> innocent people into this.
>
> Crys
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| Subject: |
Re: Roman Cults (An answer) |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:38:19 EDT |
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In a message dated 9/13/1999 3:16:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=230166014180193192112218004036129208" >famromo@--------</a> writes:
<< asked us if Nova Roma was a cult >>
Salvete
NR is not a cult. There may be several cults contained in NR itself, but it
is not
a cult. NR could best be described as an organization dedicated to the
revival of Republic of Rome. This includes all the important organs of the
republic, as well
as the belief system of the Romans of the period. Many people seem to have
problems grasping this concept. If you do, then I would have to say NR is
not for
you. Just because you have an interest in Roman history or culture, that
does not make you a good Nova Roman. Nova Romans not only know or study
these things
but ARE Nova Romans. Even if we are not Italian, Lombard, Sicilian, but
German, French Spanish Portuguese et al. What makes us Nova Romans is not
where we came from, but where we are going. It seems, based on the pervious
threads, that many of you still have problems "getting" this. We need to
educate people better about what we are and where we are going.
When we held elections last interval with our newly formed tribes and voting
centuries did anybody stop and marvel at the fact these organizations under a
Roman name (Granted in English, but the Latin will come) had seen light of
organized day since nearly 2300 years! That in itself was a marvelous
achievement, but one that was over shadowed by the likes dislikes of who was
running and who wasn't. Only the outside observers that study us seem to
have an understanding of the grandiose project we are attempting and how
little we have
accomplished so far. Yet we continue on. Please Romans. We need to stay
focused on what is ahead, not were we come from, or how racist we are, or if
we like our Paterfamilias or not. Keep your eyes on the big picture, not the
little ones.
Valete!
Q. Fabius
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| Subject: |
Gens |
| From: |
"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:18:29 -0500 |
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I quote from the constitution of Nova Roma.....
"Each gens shall, through whatever means it may determine
appropriate, have a paterfamilias (fem. materfamilias) who shall act
as the leader of the gens and speak for it when necessary. The
holder of this position must be registered as such with the
censors. The paterfamilias may, at his or her discretion, expel
members of their gens, or accept new members into it."
The reason for this quote will soon be clear.
If the provisions of the Constitution has meaning, the naming of
specific powers must have meaning, and the actual powers of the
paterfamilias are limited to those powers and those necessary and
proper to those powers that are specifically named. The very fact
that the powers of the paterfamilias is limited to speaking for the
gens is an implicit recognition that the powers are limited to that
single power. Necessary and proper to that power is the power to
expel those for whom the Paterfamilias does not speak, or to
accept those for whom the Paterfamilias does speak. In particular,
the word "accept" implies a willingness to on both parties to be in
that gens, just as the word "expel" implies an unwillingness on one
party to leave.
The presence of the power to accept and expel does not imply the
power to retain a citizen against his will. Nor is it proper for a
paterfamilias to speak for anyone who can not be well represented
by that paterfamilias.
Accordingly I hereby declare that I am no longer a member of Gens
Cornelia. I most willingly separate myself from that gens and deny
that the Paterfamilias of that gens speaks for me.
Gaius Mamertinus
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