| Subject: |
Re: Re: Service Qualification for Magistracies |
| From: |
"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:05:33 -0500 |
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On 23 Sep 99, --------2:41, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; wrote:
>
> I must say I believe that where a person has been doesn't make the
> difference. It's what they DO. ;)
>
hear hear!
and it is one's record of past accomplishments that gives the
promise of a bright future. I suggest that candidates for office list
their mundane as well as NR experience. Then the voters can
judge. Arbitrary standards are to easy to manipulate or even (May
the Great Ones forbid) forge.
Nova Roma is too good an idea to be seriously damaged because
of a mistaken election of an unqualified nobody to high office. The
occasional poor decision by the electorate will be but an
opportunity to learn the consequences of electoral indifference or a
temporary attack of low standards.
Of course, the race is not always to the swift and the battle is not
always to the strong (but that's the way you bet!). Life is full of
surprises. A candidate with an history of treachery to family and
friends can yet keep faith to the State. Let us hope for the best
from anyone who may be vested with Imperium.
Gaius Iunius Placidus
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| Subject: |
Ave atque vale |
| From: |
Oplontian@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 01:07:52 EDT |
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Salvete,
The Nova Roma website is an excellent resource, and the people who created it
are to be congratulated for providing us with such a useful collection of
information and links. Unfortunately the same thing can not be said of Nova
Roma as an organization. Nova Roma, the organization, seems to be more intent
on recreating the decadent world of late Republican Rome as portrayed in the
novels of Colleen McCullough rather than on doing much of anything else.
The gens Poppaea therefore today relinquishes and discontinues its
citizenship and membership in Nova Roma. I will be looking for, or even
starting, a different sort of organization to be affiliated with - something
devoted to culture and religion rather than politics. Also, the sophisticated
Graeco-Roman culture of the Imperial era is more suited to my taste than that
of the insular and backward world of the Roman Republic.
I wish Nova Roma success in its endeavors, but I will point out that Nova
Roma does not have to be the only game in town for people who want to start
micronations that revive ancient pagan societies.
Valete,
Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus
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| Subject: |
Seperating from N.R. |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114056113185089095081021203102129208071" >dean6886@--------</a> (Dean Troy) |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 03:46:07 -0500 (CDT) |
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I don't believe anyone here has been prevented from obtaining
goals relative to Roman paganism or social/philisophical studies or any
other type of activity as of yet. Anyone within Nova Roma has been more
than welcome to step up and do what they want in order to do something
meaningful within our society.
True enough that so far we have concentrated on politics, but the
reason behind that is to be effective as an organization that has
structure and thus strength. You, the citizens are Nova Roma, and have
unlimited abilities to acheive what we set out to acheive from day one.
The idea of people leaving to start over with some other sort of
group/micronation/organization/etc. seems frivolous at best. It is my
hope though that at some point in the future many of the people who have
left return home after Nova Roma evolves into something more than it is
now. The politics aspects and laws, etc. are being established now for
the ability to realize the ideals of community. Funds need to be raised,
guidelines set, and rights and responsibilities established, along with
a broader base of citizens over time established. After the basics are
set I thing there can be some really great things in the works. I
believe that to one extent or another ALL the citizens are resonsible
with what happens to Nova Roma.
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Service Qualification for Magistracies |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:51:58 -0400 (EDT) |
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To; Marcus Cassius Julianus;
Salve, My Friend;
In your case as I see it the completion of your college degrees and your
business involvement as well as your experience in the creation and
administration of NR has taught you a great deal. Those skills which as
you say have nothing to do with the military still require the basic
elements that we are looking for in candidates. The military certainly
does not hold the only key to administration leadership, planning, and
dealing with people, but it is a way to achieve it. Are there people
who come out of the military, without any of these attributes, probably,
just as there are unscrupulous businessmen and college graduates who
learned nothing in school. It is an indication and nothing more
Perhaps the argument here is in degree. I do not wish to limit the
Cursus Honorium to any person eager and willing to take part. Neither
do I wish to saddle NR with someone who is not interested or who must
learn the basics as they go. I am pretty sure that we are all talking
pretty much the same thing here, but the emphasis has been placed on my
mention of the military service. Should you not recognize that
experience as beneficial then I do not dispute your feelings, however,
in my world and experience it was quite instructive and useful. Was it
arbitrary??? Of course it was. Nobody wants to go to sea and stay
there in a mall ship for months on end without the proper incentive and
training, But rules which were laid down and agreed to by those of us
who undertook to do our duties, changed our lives by forcing us to adapt
and learn a variety of skills to be successful in our endeavors. The
changing was not always pleasant, but the satisfaction of service to
country and a job well done was always a sweet reward for me not to
mention the steady advancement (through a lot of study) that afforded me
the right and privilege to exercise my new-found abilities in an
ever-widening set of circumstances. The final result was that I reached
a position in the service that was honorable for the length of time with
some very solid achievements behind me.
My father was never in the military, but archived the same thing through
the civilian line of heavy construction. He started as a diesel
Mechanic and ended as a Maintenance Supervisor to a large Dam project in
Turkey after a long and successful career. My point in this thread that
such efforts build the attributes which we seek.
The fact that there are those who have the ability to create,
administer, lead, and plan do not certainly have t come from the
military,but for the most part should have some significant achievement
in their life beyond the graduation from High School in military,
business, education,medical, social, artificer / artisan, etc.
Vale and with Respect;
Marcus Minucius Audens.
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Fees instead of Taxes? |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:08:36 -0400 (EDT) |
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In Connecticut Corporate Law the "dues" which are required by the
organization are allowed, and are managed by a Budget (very basic)
established by the orgaization The funds are as Magister have indicated
an agreement with the members of the organization. We may call them
taxes, but that is not the meaning of what we intend t do in light of
the law. Further, the incorporation of a non-profit organization allows
that organization to execute by the year it's established budget, and
allow a suitable amount to remain in the bank as a start on the finances
for the following year. It also allows the organization to purchase
items for the "use of the organization." However when these monies are
used to purchase items for individual members use or ownership outside
the organization, or give back monry to the members outside the
organization that is not allowed, For instance if my re-eactment unit
goes to an event, and we purchase foodstuffs for the event and all take
part in the resulting dinner that is okay. But if the unit disburses a
stipend of extra money to members for their use outside of the
organization that is not suitable. I am a board memner of an
incorporated re-enactment unit, and this is the thrust of the law as
explained to us by our legal counsel here in Connecticut.
Vale With Respect;
Marcus Miucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Another passing thought |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:15:02 -0400 (EDT) |
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To; Jennie Hunt;
Sorry my dear, You were much in my mind, but as sometimes happens to us
older folks the connection twixt mind and typing hand faltered. My
profound apologies. We'll have to get together for lunch one of the
days. What say you??
Vale, With Respect;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
NR Certificates |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:35:19 -0400 (EDT) |
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I think that the idea of Certificates is a great one. I would like to
see a whole line of such for NR:
--Citizenship Certificates;
--Political Service Certificates;
--Special Service Certificates;
--Religious Certificates;
--Military Certificates.
These could be designed in a colorful and unique way, and placed up for
sale in the Ordo Equestor. I would be pleased to get involved in that
effort if there is some support for it. I have the agreement of Chys
Materna to put such a certifcate on a Website, and I am certain that
Cassius could produce such from a Master.
Black and White Certificates on card stock would not be expensive at all
and colored certificates could also be made available.
If you wished me to draw up a "strawman" for consideration, the I could
probably do that. I would need some Roman sybols and Pictures similar
to those on he front of the last two Eagle for the various designs from
those of you who have them.
Vale , With Respect
Marcus Miunicius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Certificates |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:22:35 -0400 (EDT) |
|
To Sulla;
Salve, Consul Sulla;
I would also be interested in looking at the information regarding
certificates. Thank for your consideration of this request.
Vale, Consul Sulla;
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens.
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Credit Cards |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:30:28 -0400 (EDT) |
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To; Sulla;
Salve, Consul Sulla;
I believe the idea was to determine the cost of such service, and if it
was applicable to NR for the paying of bills for services, products and
subscriptions. Is there any kind of limtations that limit the use of
the Credit Card system in NR?? How much does ir cost?? What is a
realistic break-even figure for usage??, How much is the intial layout
of funds in rough terms to establish the service??.
Vale, Consul Sulla;
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Iterum de imperio was Re: Service Qualification for Magistracies |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:51:56 -0400 |
|
Salvete Gaie Iuni et alii
Let us also hope that those who are elected into office in the future will
be vested with imperium.
>From: "Don an--------ys Meaker" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=230166014180193192112218004036129208" >famromo@--------</a>
>
Let us hope for the best
>from anyone who may be vested with Imperium.
>
>Gaius Iunius Placidus
>
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Caius M. Capricorbus |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:47:05 -0400 (EDT) |
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My Dear Sir:
It is my understanding that you have sent a check for a subscription to
"Eagle" to Claudia Flavia, the former Editor. I further understand that
Cassia Julianus has the check in hand for a full 12 month subscription.
I have a few extra copies of this month's issue and I will send you a
copy immediately to start your subscription.
In regard to an applicaton to join a re-enactment unit, I thik that I
should explain that Nova Roma, while it sponsors two such units is not
in and of itself a re-eactment unit of any kind. NR is a re-incarnation
of the Roman Republic, with all the trappings of the Roman Religio,
Roman Law and Roman Politics involving something just over 300 people as
a micro-nation. You are most welcome to join this micro-m=nation if you
wish by appling through the website or by mail. However, if ou do not
use the internet you will miss much of what we do, as the greater part
of NR uses the internet.
The two Legios that NR sponsors are as follows:
--XXth Legio;
--XXIVth Legio
The people to contact to apply for membership in those legions are as
follow:
Praefectus / Commander of the XXIVth Legio:
Mr, George Mez, 13 Post Run, Newton Square, PA, 19073-3014;
Commander of the XXth Legio;
Mr. Mathew Amt,, 9416 Rhode Island Ave, College Park Maryland
20740-1639, phone(301) 345-0582, E-Mai--------t;a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166014165146153033082190" >mamt@--------&--------a>.
It is my uderstanding that your address is as follows:
--Myles Kroll,1133 Railroad Ave, #310, Bellingham . WA,98225.
I do not know that you are on the net, so I will send this message to it
and hope for an answer. I would appreciate a response as soon as you
see it. If I do not hear from you within four days I will send the
message by snail mail. I will enter your name immediately upon the
subscription rolls of the Eagle and send your first issue.
Welcome to Nova Roma's Eagle publications;
Vale, With Respect;
Marcus Municius Audens;
Editor--Eagle
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Iterum de imperio |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:00:39 EDT |
|
In a message dated 9/24/99 7:55:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> writes:
<< Let us also hope that those who are elected into office in the future will
be vested with imperium.
>>
Salvete,
The Pontificial College has in fact just finished a discussion on the method
of vesting the current Magistrates with Imperium, as defined in the new
version of the Constitution. Obviously since Imperium is called for THIS
year's magistrates will shortly be invested with Imperium... however since
this action hasn't officially been done before it seemed sensible to work out
a procedure rather than simply declaring to be so.
I myself will be doing a ritual to Jupiter Optimus Maximus on Saturday, 9/25,
to at least symbolically link the invesment of Imperium to something more
than a rubber stamp approval. After this the Pontificial College has already
given assent that I may speak for them collectively to pronounce that
Imperium has been conferred. I'll be making that announcement on Monday,
9/27.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus
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| Subject: |
Re: NR Certificates |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:36:40 EDT |
|
Salvete,
It just so happens that our family copy center is going to be getting in some
wonderful Certificate stock, complete with border, either this afternoon or
on Monday, 9/27. I'd be happy to supply Certificate stock at cost.
I could probably design the wording of the Certificates as well - but for
once I'm going to be sensible and not make ANY guarantees that I would
continue to have the time to print out the appropriate Certificates for new
Citizens, etc. on an every time basis.
We'll have to decide whether this is something Nova Roma wants to do of
course. If so, perhaps I could set the paper, etc. up, and then pass all this
on to someone who wouldn't mind being in charge of issuing Certificates? The
person volunteering for such a job would be getting everything ready made -
they'd just have to do the printing (either on a home computer or by going to
THEIR local copy center) and the mailing...
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
In a message dated 9/24/99 6:35:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------es:
<< I think that the idea of Certificates is a great one. I would like to
see a whole line of such for NR:
--Citizenship Certificates;
--Political Service Certificates;
--Special Service Certificates;
--Religious Certificates;
--Military Certificates.
These could be designed in a colorful and unique way, and placed up for
sale in the Ordo Equestor. I would be pleased to get involved in that
effort if there is some support for it. I have the agreement of Chys
Materna to put such a certifcate on a Website, and I am certain that
Cassius could produce such from a Master.
Black and White Certificates on card stock would not be expensive at all
and colored certificates could also be made available.
If you wished me to draw up a "strawman" for consideration, the I could
probably do that. I would need some Roman sybols and Pictures similar
to those on he front of the last two Eagle for the various designs from
those of you who have them.
Vale , With Respect
Marcus Miunicius Audens
>>
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| Subject: |
Re: Iterum de imperio |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:38:54 -0400 |
|
Salvete Marce Cassi et alii
Let me say first of all that I opened this thread not because I love
problems, nor out of a feeling of affection for the institution of the
Comitia Curiata. Rather, it belittles Nova Roma to have laws on the books
that go ignored (laws being of course more than leges - edicta, decreta and
senatus consulta can all be described under the umbrella term "law" in this
sense, the sense of "a rule that cannot be ignored by anyone").
When Germanicus became dictator, some people were extremely upset and some
have never accepted the legitimacy of his dictatorship. I decided to accept
the legitimacy of his dictatorship because I saw that it was the only way
that Nova Roma would continue. Once he got to work, his work was also
impressive and conducive, in my view, to re-investing legitimacy to Nova
Roma.
The legitimacy of his dictatorship, however, and all the work that has
followed, especially the elections, is not faring so well in light of this
approach to imperium.
Please Marce Cassi, explain to me why you have not followed the decretum
entitled "Decretum de Rationi Comitiorum Curiatorum" (DRCC) that Germanicus
issued, "with the force and authority of a decretum", on 7.30.99. It
defines a procedure for vesting magistrates with imperium. If you wanted to
reform that procedure (which, obviously, needs to be done, since the
procedure has already been deemed by you unworkable/undesirable), why did
you not at least issue a decretum, prior to the deadline set forth in DRCC?
And, to the lictores curiati, those who approved of the institution enough
to volunteer themselves during the dictatorship: why did none of you
(apparently) realize that you were under the obligation to invest a newly
elected consul with imperium and speak up about it?
Please, people, realize this: the more grandiose and complex we are with
our rules, the harder we make it for ourselves to abide by them, and the
more details we add to be forgotten. These forgotten details, however,
don't erase the laws that contain them.
I recommend that you convene the Comitia Curiata as soon as possible.
Unless there is some decretum that you issued a long time ago in some forum
unknown to me. In which case, I would greatly appreciate your public repeat
of it or explanation.
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------;
>
>The Pontificial College has in fact just finished a discussion on the
method
>of vesting the current Magistrates with Imperium, as defined in the new
>version of the Constitution. Obviously since Imperium is called for THIS
>year's magistrates will shortly be invested with Imperium... however since
>this action hasn't officially been done before it seemed sensible to work
out
>a procedure rather than simply declaring to be so.
Have you ever looked at the body of laws, including decreta, in the Aerarium
Saturni? The procedure is spelled out there. And I did not make it up,
Marce Cassi, by any stretch of the imagination.
>
>I myself will be doing a ritual to Jupiter Optimus Maximus on Saturday,
9/25,
>to at least symbolically link the invesment of Imperium to something more
>than a rubber stamp approval.
My feeling is that the ritual that you are planning may well be the better
way to handle the investment of imperium. I hope to find out more.
After this the Pontificial College has already
>given assent that I may speak for them collectively to pronounce that
>Imperium has been conferred. I'll be making that announcement on Monday,
>9/27.
None of this is unreasonable, except for one fact: a decretum already on
the books has been violated. Is there a coherent explanation?
>
>Valete,
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus
>Pontifex Maximus
>
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Re: Roman Ships |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:49:07 -0400 (EDT) |
|
To: Vado
In regards to your question about the "planking being directly nailed to
the main frame" of a ship of this period; in Connolly's Greece and Rome
at War, Appendix One, Page 270 some drawings indicate that:
"----on the hull of a Carthiginian Ship shows the method of joining
planks together with tenons and dowels, as well as the method of nailing
planks to the ribs and sections of the keel. It also shows the fifth
rib with the planking nailed to both rib and keel (Figure 1--A through
F)----"
As I say, I may have misunderstood your queston, but it seems clear from
Connolly that nailing planks to the ribs and keel was a practice known
to the Carthginian shipbuilders. Since the Roman Navy depended heavily
on Greek and Carthginian shipbuilding techniques and technology, it
would not be unlikely that Roman built vessels were also constructed in
the same way.
Vale, Vado
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Latin Humour(?)IV |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:51:16 PDT |
|
Salvete!
Horace, Virgil and Maecenas were watching the Games. It was a rather
uninspiring, warm-up matinee performance - you know, the sort of thing where
they pair up condemned criminals, give them a weapon apeice and a prod in
the podex to start them off...
After three pairs or so had come and gone, Horace recognised one of these
unwilling 'talent-show' hopefuls asdhis disappeared slave, Vox (see 'Latin
Humour(?)II). Vox was getting the worst of it. Horace (who couldn't bear to
see a chicken necked if he knew its name) stood up on his seat, and
frantically started giving the 'thumbs down' sign.
All that happened as a result was a few shouts of "Sede'nepte!"* and a
shower of nutshells and orange-peel in his general direction.
"They haven't stopped fighting yet," said Virgil. "What are you trying to
do?"
"That's Vox down there," said Horace agitatedly. "We've got to save him!"
"Why?" growled Maecenas. "He ruined our piss-up last week. Let the bugger
die."
Down in the arena, Vox's shield was buckling under the inexpert but
repeatedly heavy sword-blows of his opponent. He wasn't going to hold out
much longer.
"BREAK THE BASTARD'S ARMS FIRST!" yelled Maecenas, acquiring some
enthusiasm. Horace was nearly in tears.
Virgil was not so callous. Quick as a flash, he vaulted over the rail, ran
over to the animal-cages and exchanged a few words (and coins) with the
bestiarius*. Horace and Maecenas saw him pointing to...
...Primus, a flea-bitten, superannuated Numidian lion (he was called
'Primus' because he was usually on in the first show), who was
watching the fight with bored indifference. Then the bestiarius opened his
cage, and Primus was released onto the sand (with a kick in the podex to get
him in the mood).
Primus was cross. He'd already done his bit for the day. He was also
confused. He wasn't used to having two men to play with at one time. Bemused
and angry at having to work overtime, he got between Vox and his adversary
and stood, snarling at them both, undecided as to which one he should maul
first.
The fight thus interrupted, Horace was able to claim his slave. His
gratitude to Viril was effusive.
"You saved Vox's life by getting that lion between him and that other
brute," he gasped admiringly. "O best of friends!"
"Oh no, not really," said Virgil with characteristic modesty. "Just 'Primus
inter parries'".***
* "Sede'nepte!" = "Sit down, stupid!"
** 'bestiarius' = animal keeper/trainer in an arena
*** "Primus inter parries" = 'Primus inter pares' = 'first among equals'
('inter' can also mean 'between'. Geddit?)
Bene valete,
Vado.
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| Subject: |
Just to keep everyone informed |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:11:34 -0700 |
|
Salvete Omnes...
In an effort to keep everyone informed, I wanted to touch base with all
of you just to let you know what I have been doing since the election.
First off, I have been helping a Civie with the Camillae program,
basically acting as go between for her an our Pontifex Maximus. It
seems that that issue has been resolved, which is very good.
Secondly, I have been reviewing 2 proposals for legislation that our
Civies have given us. Hopefully those reviews, at least on my end,
will be completed by tomorrow, if not....definately on Sunday.
Third, I am in the process of writing a lex and reviewing Decius Iunis's
drafts too.
Fourth, I am getting information from Decius Iunius, regarding the
upcoming election for Praetor (Urbanus). Since Palladius will be
getting married and will be unavailable! (Congrats!)
Finally, on Monday or Tuesday, (my days off) I will be planning to go to
the Law Library in Los Angeles and will get some information on Not for
Profit Corporations.
This is what has been going on since the 17th. If you have any
questions or comments...or if you just want to know what is going on.
Please e-mail me.
L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul
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| Subject: |
Re: Roman Ships |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:12:26 EDT |
|
In a message dated 9/24/99 9:50:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------es:
<< "----on the hull of a Carthiginian Ship shows the method of joining
planks together with tenons and dowels, as well as the method of nailing
planks to the ribs and sections of the keel. It also shows the fifth
rib with the planking nailed to both rib and keel (Figure 1--A through
F)----" >>
Salvete!
I missed the start of this thread. But I assume this discussion revolves
around the difference of clinker built and smooth built hulls?
Mediterranean ship construction or carvel built was smooth while North Sea
construction was clinker built.
In the 16-to modern day wooden ship construction the keel (hull center)
was laid down, the support ribs built up from it and the planking attached to
form the completed hull. This is called building from the "hull up."
As best we can tell, (especially with the significant find in Italy) that
ships were built "back to front." That is the hull shell was constructed of
planking, fixed plank by plank by interlocking mortice and tenon joints.
This construction style is also called monocoque. To stiffen the hull, ribs
were added, and roped or nailed to the planks. This made for light ship
construction and carvel built ships are fast if fragile in storms.
Clinker built have the planks overlapping. This gives added strength in
storms at the expense of speed. This explains how Viking boats were able to
range across the North Sea and the Atlantic
Since the Mediterranean water was so warm the pesky teredo worm and other
boring type wood eating pests by fitting ships with lead sheeting which the
worms could not penetrate. Oared warships were not so fitted since they were
hauled out of the water at night.
Northern ships could not use lead, because of the construction problem,
but used pitch and tar to coat the wood to protect it.
Hope this helps.
Valete
Q. Fabius
Roman naval expert.
|
| Subject: |
Magistrate Directory |
| From: |
"Clemons, Mary-Beth" ClemonsM@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:55:57 -0400 |
|
<Good for you, Lucius Cornelius! On a serious note, you
might want to post
such a message fairly regularly if you can... as much as
once a month if you
can manage. There has seemed to be some confusion over
magistrate
"availability" in the past... even though all the E-mail
addresses of each
magistrate are linked right into the Collis Capitolinus
section of the Nova
Roma site! >
Could we make some sort of a Magistrate directory? I know
that there is already one on the site, but many of us have AOL, Instant
Messager, ICQ and/or Yahoo Pager. I think these should be listed as well so
the censors aren't over-burdened with questions that a provincial governor
or aedile should and could be answering.
I try to get a hold of as many citizens with these internet
pagers creating some sort of relationship and contact with them and letting
them know of my availability, but this is hard to keep up with since I have
to look for this information in the mailing list.
Just a suggestion for a kinder, friendlier and more
convenient Nova Roma!
My AIM Handle: 'Flavia SPQR'
ICQ Number: 20962304
Please feel free to add me to your lists!
Studiose,
Minervina Iucundia Flavia
Propraetor of the Southeast US Provincia
And
Senator
|
| Subject: |
Re: Iterum de imperio |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:10:27 EDT |
|
In a message dated 9/24/99 9:42:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> writes:
Merullus:
<< Let me say first of all that I opened this thread not because I love
problems, nor out of a feeling of affection for the institution of the
Comitia Curiata. Rather, it belittles Nova Roma to have laws on the books
that go ignored (laws being of course more than leges - edicta, decreta and
senatus consulta can all be described under the umbrella term "law" in this
sense, the sense of "a rule that cannot be ignored by anyone").
Cassius:
Please do not mistake a careful first time implementation of a NEW law with
"ignoring" a law.
Merullus:
When Germanicus became dictator, some people were extremely upset and some
have never accepted the legitimacy of his dictatorship. I decided to accept
the legitimacy of his dictatorship because I saw that it was the only way
that Nova Roma would continue. Once he got to work, his work was also
impressive and conducive, in my view, to re-investing legitimacy to Nova
Roma.
The legitimacy of his dictatorship, however, and all the work that has
followed, especially the elections, is not faring so well in light of this
approach to imperium.
Cassius:
I'm afraid that I disagree. Flavius Vedius Germanicus did an *amazing* amount
of work during his Dictatorship, and so far events have proved his efforts to
be both valid and legitimate. However, since his time was limited it was not
possible to prearrange every possible aspect of how his new Constitution and
laws would be *carried out* in practice. Writing a law saying that something
must be done isn't the same as providing detailed instruction on how to do it
correctly. This is especially true when the circumstances written out in the
law do not conform to the actual situation at hand.
Now, here is the law you're bringing up in it's entirety. I'm posting my own
commentary within it:
>DECRETUM DE RATIONI COMITIORUM CURIATATORUM
(Enacted by dictatorial edictum 7/30/99 with the force and authority of a
decretum.)
>In accordance with paragraph III.A. of the Constitution of Nova Roma, the
Decretum de Rationi Comitiorum Curiatorum is hereby enacted to set forth the
rules and procedures for the actions of the comitia curiata.
>I. The pontifex maximus shall convene the comitia curitata between the time
of the annual magisterial elections and January 1st, when said magistrates
assume their office.
(Cassius: The timeframe we're discussing was of course *after* January 1st in
any case. No matter what was done after the Dictatorship we were in technical
violation of this Decretum because this was a multi-magistrate issue, rather
than one election to fill a specific vacancy as stated in article II.)
>At such a time, the lictores curiata shall invest the newly incoming
magistrate with the Imperium necessary to fulfill their offices, as required
by paragraph III.A.1. of the Constitution of Nova Roma, by the issuance of a
lex curiata de imperio (law of Imperium granted by the curiae).
(Cassius: The Lictors were created *during* the dictatorship. They did not
become a reality until after the ratification of Flavius Vedius Germanicus'
actions after the dictatorship. It is a little much to assume that they would
be a fully functional body immediately after their founding. As far as I am
aware the practical details of the Lictors are still being worked out - and
to my knowledge they have not yet been assigned any magistrates or to work
with the comitia curiata.
The Comitia Curiata HAS convened over the issue of Imperium - mostly to
discuss possible procedures for making Imperium "real" in some sense rather
than just an on paper decree. )
>The pontifex maximus will issue the lex curiata de imperio to the members of
the comitia, who shall bear witness to it. The pontifex maximus will then
publish the lex curiata de imperio to various public venues including, but
not limited to, the official email list, publications, and web site.
(Cassius: Since the investment of Imperium was in violation of the January
1st deadline no matter what, it was decided that this process would wait
until after the election of the second Consul. I suppose the Lex Curiata de
Imperio could have been published in an "on paper" form the moment the new
rules were made legal by the ratification of the Senate... but the new
Magistrates *were not* fully elected at that time. In fact, we're still not,
with one election yet to go. Because of this we instead decided to take the
time and work out a meaningful process this first time around. Next time
we'll be able to make that January 1st deadline, and make the investment of
Imperium something with meaning. I consider it worth the small delay this
first time around.)
>II. Should a special election be held to fill a vacancy in a magistracy that
requires the investing of Imperium, the pontifex maximus shall convene the
comitia curiata for the issuance of a lex curiata de imperio between the
announcement of the results of the election and the next nundinae (market
day).
(Cassius: Although this passage gives a sort of instruction for investing
Imperium at a time other than within the January 1st deadline, (saying it
must be between the end of the election and the next nundinae) it is however
a guideline only for ONE vacant magistracy. The situation we actually have
been dealing with is much more complex:
1. Magistrates were put in place during the Dictatorship... but those
positions were not technically official until the Senate ratified these
magistracies. Was Imperium to be issued right after the dictator declared
them? After their magistracies were ratified? After all the magistracies were
done? Was Imperium to be issued for EACH magistrate, as it would be done for
one magistrate if elected to fill a vacancy?
2. Since the Lictors didn't officially exist until after the ratification of
their creation by the Senate, it was fairly obvious that it would take some
time for that body to become functional. Time has been allowed for this.
3. Again, we have been hoping to make Imperium more than a posting to the
Internet list. Since Imperium is begun by the Comitia Curiata, it seemed only
reasonable to come up with an internal process for "creating" it. We could
have issued a rather meaningless blanket statement five seconds after the
ratification of the Dictator's actions I suppose, even if there wouldn't have
been anything like an organized college of Lictors to carry the rest of the
process out. Meeting the "time" requirement was only a part of this
situation.
>III. The pontifex maximus may also convene the comitia curiata at any time
to act as witnesses to the appointment of priests of the Religio Romana,
adoptions, and the recording of wills.
(Cassius: This passage doesn't apply here... it'll have to wait for the NEXT
round of complaints!) ;)
*******
Merullus:
Please Marce Cassi, explain to me why you have not followed the decretum
entitled "Decretum de Rationi Comitiorum Curiatorum" (DRCC) that Germanicus
issued, "with the force and authority of a decretum", on 7.30.99. It
defines a procedure for vesting magistrates with imperium. If you wanted to
reform that procedure (which, obviously, needs to be done, since the
procedure has already been deemed by you unworkable/undesirable), why did
you not at least issue a decretum, prior to the deadline set forth in DRCC?
Cassius:
For the reasons stated above. We decided to make the process as "real" and
meaningful as possible, since the time factor was fuzzy in any case. This was
not a single cut and dried election after all.
Merullus:
And, to the lictores curiati, those who approved of the institution enough
to volunteer themselves during the dictatorship: why did none of you
(apparently) realize that you were under the obligation to invest a newly
elected consul with imperium and speak up about it?
Cassius:
My understanding of this is that it has taken some time for the Lictors to
become a functioning body. No doubt they have been going through their own
internal process, and have not yet come to a point where they can watchdog
other Curiae.
Merullus:
Please, people, realize this: the more grandiose and complex we are with
our rules, the harder we make it for ourselves to abide by them, and the
more details we add to be forgotten. These forgotten details, however,
don't erase the laws that contain them.
Cassius:
Again, nothing has been forgotten. I don't even believe I agree that the
"Decretum de Rationi Comitiorum Curiatorum" is terribly complex, never mind
grandiose... compared to the procedures which existed in ancient Rome we're a
model of simplicity.
The shortfall here is rather that the law was created without the entire
process being a part of it; we knew what had to be done but not how to do it.
We also weren't sure exactly when the best time for it was. Surely it
couldn't be done before the Decretum was ratified and became official... but
since there were appointed positions being ratified and more than one
election being held there was definite room for various interpretations on
the subject.
Merullus:
>I recommend that you convene the Comitia Curiata as soon as possible.
Unless there is some decretum that you issued a long time ago in some forum
unknown to me. In which case, I would greatly appreciate your public repeat
of it or explanation.
Cassius:
Hopefully the above was enough of an explanation. If not I'm more than happy
to continue debating the subject with you.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus
|
| Subject: |
FWD: Roman Britain |
| From: |
Alasdair Morgan Gunn amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:48:12 -0700 |
|
Avete Omnes!
Venator scripsit:
Found this one on soc.history.living
Anyone out there with some info? I'll send them Nova Roma's web address.
Ave - Venator
Leonard & Patty Baldt wrote:
>
> Hello:
> I've recently acquired an interest in the time period of Roman Britain.
> Just finished reading "Women in Roman Britain" by Lindsay
> Allason-Jones. I'm looking for additional information, whether it be
> books, magazine articles, or internet sights. Particular interest in
> clothing. What might you kind people suggest? Thank you, Patty
> Baldt
|
| Subject: |
Re: Roman Visions |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:42:38 -0400 |
|
Salve,
I would just like to say that this is precisely the sort of vision-building
that we should be concerning ourselves with at this stage, now that we've
(hopefully) left some of the rancor behind us. I've actually looked into the
possibility of doing a sort of "Roman Faire" under the auspices of an
already-established Ren Faire. It's not impossible, but it is very, very
hard. (Perhaps some of our SCAdian and RenGeek citizens could give us some
practical advice on this score?) I would add that this is precisely the sort
of thing that I envisioned the Aediles setting up; they'd be the logical
choices to chair an effort to put this sort of thing together.
Bravo!
Vale,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus
----- Original Message -----
From: JSA <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=081166091180193192130061163101147165026048139046" >varromurena@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 3:34 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Roman Visions
> From: JSA <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=081166091180193192130061163101147165026048139046" >varromurena@--------</a>
>
> Salvete!
>
> So, before I'm forced to Masillia under Interdict
> aquae et ignis, a few thoughts on what NR may wish to
> do in the coming century.
>
> The first, and the most easily doable (I think) would
> be a Roman equivalent of those Med/Ren faires that are
> so popular today. Let's call it "Roman Times". So
> you'd have citizens walking about in togas and stolas,
> performing public sacrifices, selling Roman-style
> food, etc. Instead of a mock-joust, you have
> mock-gladiatorial games, maybe even a chariot race.
> And since Roma Antiqua encompassed such a large
> proportion of the ancient world, you can also have
> booths or programs reflecting the world of the Celts,
> Germans, Africans, Egyptians, Greeks, Persians,
> Babylonians, etc. These could also have their own
> public sacrifices/worship too. Perhaps a re-enactment
> of Cannae (or some less ambitious skirmish). Something
> by Terence or Plautus too for the more dramatically
> inclined. But try to avoid the faux-Roman stuff you
> see in Las Vegas.
>
> Second, a bit more ambitious, perhaps later in the
> century, is something akin to those Medieval Times
> shows--Roman times, with Roman food (and dining on
> couches?), with a show later--gladiatorial probably,
> but maybe also some Roman farce or play.
>
> Third, the most difficult, but doable if the resources
> are there, an actual Roman town where the citizens
> live and work (yes, with updates, we can have
> electricity, computers, etc. or whatever they're using
> in 2090 CE), NOT like a Disneyesque place, perhaps
> more like Colonial Williamsburg. A living, working
> community, perhaps with a bit of role-playing for
> tourists (like Williamsburg has slaves, though they're
> not real slaves) to bring in some money.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> Valete
> L. Licinius Varro Murena
>
> >
|
| Subject: |
Re: NR Certificates |
| From: |
JSA varromurena@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:02:58 -0700 (PDT) |
|
--- James Mathe--------lt;a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------e:
> From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/font>
>
> I think that the idea of Certificates is a great
> one. I would like to
> see a whole line of such for NR:
>
> --Citizenship Certificates;
> --Political Service Certificates;
> --Special Service Certificates;
> --Religious Certificates;
> --Military Certificates.
>
Yeah, maybe each could have a unique background
watermark in such a way that when you put them all
together, you have a map of the Roman Empire....
L. Licinius Varro Murena
(still a bit woozy after his stay in the ER today)...
|
| Subject: |
Re: Credit Cards |
| From: |
JSA varromurena@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:10:52 -0700 (PDT) |
|
What about, given the ubiquity of designer credit
cards, an actual Nova Roma Visa or Mastercard? You
know, one that says "Nova Roma" or some such on it,
with the NR logo? That way NR would get a kickback
<ahem> excuse me, I mean a "donation" and earn money
every time it was used.
L. Licinius Varro Murena
--- James Mathe--------lt;a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------e:
> From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/font>
>
> To; Sulla;
>
> Salve, Consul Sulla;
>
> I believe the idea was to determine the cost of such
> service, and if it
> was applicable to NR for the paying of bills for
> services, products and
> subscriptions. Is there any kind of limtations that
> limit the use of
> the Credit Card system in NR?? How much does ir
> cost?? What is a
> realistic break-even figure for usage??, How much is
> the intial layout
> of funds in rough terms to establish the service??.
>
> Vale, Consul Sulla;
> Very Respectfully;
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Credit Cards |
| From: |
"RCW" alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:26:53 -0700 |
|
Salve,
That costs ALOT of money. Plus, according to my research for my old
business, Financial Solution Lending Institution, LLP (FSLI), it would cost
between 15-18 PER card. We would need a very good market for that...plus at
least a Co-Branded Partner like, Household International or some other large
banking house. Not to mention a VERY detailed marketing plan. This would
take alot of work. And, chances are it wouldn't be profitable for at least
a couple of years....if at all.
If you would like more information on this please let me know, This is what
my Masters Degree Thesis was on. :)
L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul
----- Original Message -----
From: JSA <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=081166091180193192130061163101147165026048139046" >varromurena@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Credit Cards
> From: JSA <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=081166091180193192130061163101147165026048139046" >varromurena@--------</a>
>
> What about, given the ubiquity of designer credit
> cards, an actual Nova Roma Visa or Mastercard? You
> know, one that says "Nova Roma" or some such on it,
> with the NR logo? That way NR would get a kickback
> <ahem> excuse me, I mean a "donation" and earn money
> every time it was used.
>
> L. Licinius Varro Murena
>
> --- James Mathe--------lt;a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------e:
> > From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/font>
> >
> > To; Sulla;
> >
> > Salve, Consul Sulla;
> >
> > I believe the idea was to determine the cost of such
> > service, and if it
> > was applicable to NR for the paying of bills for
> > services, products and
> > subscriptions. Is there any kind of limtations that
> > limit the use of
> > the Credit Card system in NR?? How much does ir
> > cost?? What is a
> > realistic break-even figure for usage??, How much is
> > the intial layout
> > of funds in rough terms to establish the service??.
> >
> > Vale, Consul Sulla;
> > Very Respectfully;
> > Marcus Minucius Audens
> >
> > Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
> >
> > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor
> > ----------------------------
> >
> > Share your special moments with family and friends-
> > send PHOTO Greetings
> > at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a
> > variety of funny,
> > cute, cool and animated cards.
> >
> > <a href=" <a href="http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/zing11" target="_top" >http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/zing11</a>
> > ">Click Here</a>
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
> >
|
| Subject: |
Re: Roman Visions |
| From: |
JSA varromurena@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:26:56 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Perhaps a co-sponsorship with other re-enactor or
pagan groups might be a good thing, at least
initially. You might be also able to get a good
selection of vendors as well. I always have book reps
knocking on my door wanting me to select the latest
books in ancient history for my classes. Bet some of
them would set up paying booths, as would those
selling recreations of swords, armor, etc. Eventually,
if you do it right, it should be a good way to bring
money into the organization, and you can spread Roman
Times (or "Ancient Times" --whatever) to different
parts of the country. Besides re-enactments and public
worship, you could have recreations of dances, music,
plays, etc. (bring in those school groups! Learn about
the ancients! See that your neighbors the pagans
aren't devil-worshippers!), maybe even a Roman trial
or two (who wants to play Cicero?). Eventually,
perhaps purchase a site, and set up more or less
permanent buildings (like those Ren faires do).
'Course, I suppose you'd have to avoid the nudity of
Ancient Life, and the blatant sexuality (I don't think
a procession of 6 foot long phalli would go over well
with most grade school teachers).
L. Licinius Varro Murena
--- Flavius Vedius Germanicus
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> wrote:
> From: "Flavius Vedius Germanicus"
> <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>
>
> Salve,
>
> I would just like to say that this is precisely the
> sort of vision-building
> that we should be concerning ourselves with at this
> stage, now that we've
> (hopefully) left some of the rancor behind us. I've
> actually looked into the
> possibility of doing a sort of "Roman Faire" under
> the auspices of an
> already-established Ren Faire. It's not impossible,
> but it is very, very
> hard. (Perhaps some of our SCAdian and RenGeek
> citizens could give us some
> practical advice on this score?) I would add that
> this is precisely the sort
> of thing that I envisioned the Aediles setting up;
> they'd be the logical
> choices to chair an effort to put this sort of thing
> together.
>
> Bravo!
>
> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JSA <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=081166091180193192130061163101147165026048139046" >varromurena@--------</a>
> To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 3:34 PM
> Subject: [novaroma] Roman Visions
>
>
> > From: JSA <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=081166091180193192130061163101147165026048139046" >varromurena@--------</a>
> >
> > Salvete!
> >
> > So, before I'm forced to Masillia under Interdict
> > aquae et ignis, a few thoughts on what NR may wish
> to
> > do in the coming century.
> >
> > The first, and the most easily doable (I think)
> would
> > be a Roman equivalent of those Med/Ren faires that
> are
> > so popular today. Let's call it "Roman Times". So
> > you'd have citizens walking about in togas and
> stolas,
> > performing public sacrifices, selling Roman-style
> > food, etc. Instead of a mock-joust, you have
> > mock-gladiatorial games, maybe even a chariot
> race.
> > And since Roma Antiqua encompassed such a large
> > proportion of the ancient world, you can also have
> > booths or programs reflecting the world of the
> Celts,
> > Germans, Africans, Egyptians, Greeks, Persians,
> > Babylonians, etc. These could also have their own
> > public sacrifices/worship too. Perhaps a
> re-enactment
> > of Cannae (or some less ambitious skirmish).
> Something
> > by Terence or Plautus too for the more
> dramatically
> > inclined. But try to avoid the faux-Roman stuff
> you
> > see in Las Vegas.
> >
> > Second, a bit more ambitious, perhaps later in the
> > century, is something akin to those Medieval Times
> > shows--Roman times, with Roman food (and dining on
> > couches?), with a show later--gladiatorial
> probably,
> > but maybe also some Roman farce or play.
> >
> > Third, the most difficult, but doable if the
> resources
> > are there, an actual Roman town where the citizens
> > live and work (yes, with updates, we can have
> > electricity, computers, etc. or whatever they're
> using
> > in 2090 CE), NOT like a Disneyesque place, perhaps
> > more like Colonial Williamsburg. A living, working
> > community, perhaps with a bit of role-playing for
> > tourists (like Williamsburg has slaves, though
> they're
> > not real slaves) to bring in some money.
> >
> > Any other ideas?
> >
> > Valete
> > L. Licinius Varro Murena
> >
> > >
>
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> ----------------------------
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> cute, cool and animated cards.
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| Subject: |
Re: Money for Roma |
| From: |
JSA varromurena@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:50:52 -0700 (PDT) |
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Ok. How about this: Put a page of recommended books on
Roman history, law, religion, etc. on the website,
perhaps with mini-reviews of them (I know there are
some real scholars in NR!). Then put an Amazon.com
link on the page to these books. I understand that
Amazon kicks back part of the purchase price to groups
with which it has these little arrangements. Maybe
other vendors (not all, but maybe some) who sell
Roman-related merchandise (tshirts, mugs, jewelry,
armor, statuary, etc.) might do the same. Make the NR
website your one-stop knowledge/shopping site.
L. Licinius Varro Murena
> If you would like more information on this please
> let me know, This is what
> my Masters Degree Thesis was on. :)
>
> L. Cornelius Sulla
> Consul
>
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Re: Money for Roma |
| From: |
"RCW" alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:57:56 -0700 |
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Salve!
As far as I am aware of, Nova Roma already had that. I remember it being
there since I bought some books there. M. Cassius, do you have any more
information about this?
L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul
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From: JSA <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=081166091180193192130061163101147165026048139046" >varromurena@--------</a>
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Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Money for Roma
> From: JSA <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=081166091180193192130061163101147165026048139046" >varromurena@--------</a>
>
> Ok. How about this: Put a page of recommended books on
> Roman history, law, religion, etc. on the website,
> perhaps with mini-reviews of them (I know there are
> some real scholars in NR!). Then put an Amazon.com
> link on the page to these books. I understand that
> Amazon kicks back part of the purchase price to groups
> with which it has these little arrangements. Maybe
> other vendors (not all, but maybe some) who sell
> Roman-related merchandise (tshirts, mugs, jewelry,
> armor, statuary, etc.) might do the same. Make the NR
> website your one-stop knowledge/shopping site.
>
> L. Licinius Varro Murena
>
> > If you would like more information on this please
> > let me know, This is what
> > my Masters Degree Thesis was on. :)
> >
> > L. Cornelius Sulla
> > Consul
> >
> >
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| Subject: |
Fwd: My ER Visit |
| From: |
JSA varromurena@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:18:48 -0700 (PDT) |
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I tried to send this to via trames, but the attempt
failed. So, if Crys can do this once in a while, so
can I....
> Well, after three nights and two days of rather
> hellish (or "Hadesesque"?) gastro-intestinal
> discomfort, I finally hied myself to an ER this
> morning--apparently just in time as I was severely
> dehydrated. So I've got a severe case of
> gastro-enteritis, due to a bacterial infection. So
> I'm
> bedridden (well, mostly) for the next few days, and
> confined to a hearty diet of liquid--great for
> losing
> weight (I've already tightened my belt one notch!),
> but I wouldn't recommend it. AND, I still gotta deal
> with that GI distress!
>
> Any prayers to Aesculapius (or whomever), greatly
> appreciated.
>
> L. Licinius Varro Murena (Nova Roma)
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Iterum de imperio |
| From: |
dean6886@--------) |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:30:14 -0500 (CDT) |
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Unless I missed something I am a member of the Comitia Curiata and
was never aware that the body was convened for any reason. Could someone
fill me in as to what's going on.
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Iterum de imperio |
| From: |
dean6886@--------) |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:30:05 -0500 (CDT) |
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If there hasn't been anything going on please convene the Comitia
Curiata and we'll start talking about what's needed immediately in any
forum you set aside for us Cassius. Let's get all the procedures set up
and out of the way ASAP.
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
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