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Re: ATTN: EDICT FOR THE COMITIA CENTURIATA |
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| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:39:12 EDT |
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In a message dated 9/27/99 11:47:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< 1. Filling the vacant seat of Praetor.*
Candidates:
Quintus Fabius Maximus
Marcus Minucius Audens >>
Question...
Why don't people like Fabius? All I have read on this list is Audens this,
and Audens that. I noticed he all ready has declared that he favors Audens.
so is the list manager blocking all favorable comments about Fabius?
Fabius has done a lot for this micronation, so much so that the dictator
rewarded him for it, yet I only found out about it, after Fabius listed his
accomplishments. He is knowledgeable about Roman history, he cleverly came
up with virtual games (which appalled me at first, but it is so Roman) were
people only die virtually, and yet the excitement is retained. He is doing
something in the 89 BC Social War that involves Roman citizens.
So this is an experiment. If I do not see this on this list with no mention
of this posting, then I know the "fix is in."
Ronnie
Interested observer of Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: EDICT FOR THE COMITIA CENTURIATA |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:49:36 -0700 |
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<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=085166214185056134050038203140129208071" >R--------tte@--------</--------; wrote:
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=085166214185056134050038203140129208071" >R--------tte@--------</--------;
>
> In a message dated 9/27/99 11:47:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------/font>
> << 1. Filling the vacant seat of Praetor.*
>
> Candidates:
>
> Quintus Fabius Maximus
> Marcus Minucius Audens >>
>
> Question...
>
> Why don't people like Fabius? All I have read on this list is Audens this,
> and Audens that. I noticed he all ready has declared that he favors Audens.
> so is the list manager blocking all favorable comments about Fabius?
> Fabius has done a lot for this micronation, so much so that the dictator
> rewarded him for it, yet I only found out about it, after Fabius listed his
> accomplishments. He is knowledgeable about Roman history, he cleverly came
> up with virtual games (which appalled me at first, but it is so Roman) were
> people only die virtually, and yet the excitement is retained. He is doing
> something in the 89 BC Social War that involves Roman citizens.
> So this is an experiment. If I do not see this on this list with no mention
> of this posting, then I know the "fix is in."
Salve
No one is blocking any favorable comments for Q. Fabius Maximus. He is my best
friend in Nova Roma. He and I meet at least once a month for lunch. I have not
endorsed any candidate, for two reasons. First, I dont think it wise for a
Consul to endorse any candidates. Second, I am friends with both candidates.
I have been in contact with Q. Fabius since this campaign started I know exactly
where he stands in regards to campaign endorsements. So I am not worried
regarding the lack of endorsements for him. :) Q. Fabius has his own plan for
his campaign. That I definately know. So, just let me inform you that there is
no "fix."
L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: EDICT FOR THE COMITIA CENTURIATA |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:49:40 EDT |
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<< I noticed he all ready has declared that he favors Audens.
so is the list manager blocking all favorable comments about Fabius? >>
Salve Ronnie,
While I appreciate your concern let me assure that L. Marius Fimbra is one on
the nicest people I know, and would never allow or condone such behavior.
Fimbra helped recruit me for NR.
I'm responsible for the lack of endorsements. My friends all ready have
asked me to answer M. Municius Audens clients with their own endorsements,
which I refused. You see I think a man should be elected on his record and
the issues. This is not a popularity contest. People who win popularity
contests give up when voter opinion turns against them, or when times get
tough. No, it pertains to the future of Nova Roma.
If the voters read my record, they know of my devotion to Roma and her gods
and my determination to get a civil law structure in place.
That is all the Praetor Urbanus can be expected to do. Consuls and Senators
enact laws, I'm not a Senator or Consul yet.
I will one day, the Gods be willing.
Thanks for your concern
Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus
Candidate Praetor Urbanus
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: EDICT FOR THE COMITIA CENTURIATA |
| From: |
Rahnette@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:55:11 EDT |
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In a message dated 9/28/99 11:20:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< So, just let me inform you that there is
no "fix." >>
Thank you for the information, Consul Sulla. I did not mean to upset anyone,
I was just wondering about the integrity of the election.
Ronnie
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| Subject: |
Stoa Waypoint Database avaliable |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:10:32 EDT |
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Salvete!
All you historians and amateur and pro archeologists check this service out!
I have run three tests on sites I have worked on, and the data was 100%
correct.
Another great tool is no provided by the web.
Valete
Q. Fabius
<< With apologies for any cross posting.
The Stoa electronic publishing consortium would like to announce the
availability of the
(<a href="http://www.stoa.org/stoagnd/" target="_top" >http://www.stoa.org/stoagnd/</a>).
The database is designed to serve as an archive of geographic data
(longitude and latitude coordinates) for ancient sites, buildings,
objects,
geographic features, archaeological excavations, etc. Our goal is to
provide a freely accessible source of geographic data that can be used
by
the widest possible audience. We hope that this data will be useful,
for
example, in GPS units and GIS software for archaeologists in the field,
students working on research projects, and digital map makers, or anyone
else engaged in study and research.
All the data in the database may be browsed and searched on the web, and
it
is also freely available for downloading into a generic comma- delimited
text file.
In addition we hope to grow the database through contributions of
geographic data from students, scholars, or anyone else who is
interested.
All contributions are welcome. If you would like to contribute
geographic
data, please refer to the Stoa's Guidelines for Recording and Submitting
GPS Waypoints (<a href="http://www.stoa.org/guides/gps.shtml" target="_top" >http://www.stoa.org/guides/gps.shtml</a>) for more
information.
For more information about the database please feel free to contact
Robert
Chavez (<a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=194158214237017198225218055036129208" >rchavez@--------</a>) or Ross Scaife (<a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=061158113009021198015147190036129" >scaife@--------</a>).
We
welcome all comments, suggestions or questions.
Robert Chavez
Perseus Project
<a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=194158214237017198225218055036129208" >rchavez@--------</a>
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| Subject: |
Clients? was ATTN: EDICT FOR THE COMITIA CENTURIATA |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:14:54 -0400 |
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Salvete Q Fabi et alii
I didn't know that Fimbria, Palladius and I were clients of Audens or anyone
else. It seems a bit odd that we would be his clients, since we were all
citizens before his arrival, I think. Is Probus Audens' client? Who are
these clients?
It seems to me that support for a candidate does not equal a client/patron
relationship.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
Paterfamilias
Mariae Gentis
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>
>I'm responsible for the lack of endorsements. My friends all ready have
>asked me to answer M. Municius Audens clients with their own endorsements,
>which I refused. You see I think a man should be elected on his record and
--deletion--
>Thanks for your concern
>Vale
>Q. Fabius Maximus
>Candidate Praetor Urbanus
>
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| Subject: |
Popularity |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:55:05 -0400 (EDT) |
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To: NR Citizens;
While my Honored Q. Fabiuds makes an excellent point of service and
loyalty to NR and the unimportance of popularity, I want to take this
opportunity to speak to another facet of that subject item, that many
faceted jewel called popularity. We all seek after it, from childhood
through our lives, and we usually achieve some small part of it to our
satisfaction or not. But for the most part it is not to be asmitted to
as a quest of any kind. We tend to hide it from ourselves and others
around us while the quest continues The ultimate in popularity seems
to be a burning / flaring light that only a few people can accept
without letting it destroy them. Popularity is the need for other's
recognition, it is the need for friends and the grudging respect of
enemies. Popularity has many names and it lurks everywhere, no more so
anywhere than in politics. It is the lubricant that eases the way, it
is the difference between cold indifference and warm acceptance, and it
is a reality regardless iif you will recognize it or no.
I agree most heartily with my Most Honored Q. Fabius that the record for
the ideal candidate is heavy with service and loyalty, I must also say
that the popularity of a candidate is what will prevail at the polls for
those voters not committed to political values and it is popularity in a
slightly different form that will allow the elected candidate to get the
most accomplished. I do not shun popularity, although I have never
enjoyed it to the extent that I have been gratified and honored with iit
in NR, becase I see that aspect as a part of human nature, and in the
pursiut of the NR's best interests, that is a vital ingredient and so
should it be realized by all who would work for her.
In regard to the Religio Romana, I honor Q.Fabius for his faith and love
of his gods, noone more-so, and were that a requirement to run for
office, I would not be here. However, the requirement is to Honor the
Gods of Rome and I give them Honor. Posted on the web-site is a
Presentation to the Gods from myself when I was a Quaestor, that so
impressed the Web-Mistress, (a strong member of the Religo Romana) that
she asked my permission to post the same..
Am I a member of the Religio Romana, no I am not, but then that is not a
requirement. Further there have been those who have assumed the mantle
of the Religio Romano who have faltered in the past in NR, and while I
do not place blame, for that, my idea that faltering is also a very
human trait, and recovery from a falter infinately more important than
the original act itself. Therefore I do not believe that faith in a
Religion of one kind over another makes a better political candidate. I
believe that I have demonstrated my love of NR, my devotion to NR, and
my belief in NR by my efforts and by my continued presence, without the
additional religious commitment, as wnderful as that commitment must
seem to those embracing it.
As our good friend Q. Fabius asks;, view my record, view my honesty,
view my steadfastness to cause, and view my ability and willingness to
compromise in the making of new friends and in the retention of old.
View my devotion to courtesy, and the sharing of ideas. View my
generosity to friends and those not so friendly.
I thank you citizens of NR for your kind attention in this presentation;
Marcus Municius Audens
Candidate For Praetor
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Trivia on naming convention for laws |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:45:46 -0400 |
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Salvete omnes
I have a trivial question for Scaevola Magister, Iustus, Murena and anyone
else who has the fortitude to withstand this degree of nitpicky:
In the Roman Republic, would a lex not have been named for the one
magistrate who convened the assembly? So, if a consul named L Cornelius
Cinna convened comitia centuriata and put before it two laws, wouldn't they
both have been named Lex Cornelia X/Y?
Related question: would it have been possible for two magistrates
(colleagues in the consulate for that year for instance) to convene the
comitia centuriata (or other assembly) jointly? Would laws put before such
a jointly-convened session of comitia centuriata not have been named
uniformly for both magistrates?
Another related question: what's a good source for looking up various leges
of the Roman Republic? There's no shortage of chronological lists of
emperors, and one can even find lists of consuls. Have you ever seen a list
of leges?
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Re: Sources of Roman Law |
| From: |
JSA varromurena@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:18:26 -0700 (PDT) |
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--- RMerullo <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> wrote:
<
Another related question: what's a good source for
looking up various leges
of the Roman Republic? There's no shortage of
chronological lists of
emperors, and one can even find lists of consuls.
Have you ever seen a list
>of leges?
>Valete
>Gaius Marius Merullus
There are a few, most in English translation:
1) C. G. Bruns, ed., _Fontes Iuris Romani Antiqui_, 2
Vols.
2) G. Rotondi, _Scritti Giuridici_, 3 Vols., in
particular "Leges Publicae Populi Romani", Scritti I,
1ff.
L. Licinius Varro Murena
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: EDICT FOR THE COMITIA CENTURIATA |
| From: |
SDmtwi@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:26:33 EDT |
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Salvete L Corneius Sulla et omnes.
> 3. To vote on the following law:
>
> Lex Iunia de Iusiurando
>
> I, __enter legal and Roman name here____________do hereby solemnly swear
<amputatio>
> obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
This law, as written in the original announcement, legislates nothing. I
assume it is meant to restate consul Palladius' edict requiring magistrates
to take the above partially quoted oath of office, thereby graciously
allowing the populace to debate and vote upon it. For the amusement of us
nitpickers, could someone with the imperium to do so confirm this in an
official manner?
Valete,
T Labienus Fortunatus
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| Subject: |
Re: Trivia on naming convention for laws |
| From: |
"M. Papirius Justus" papirius@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:16:54 -0400 |
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At 05:45 PM 28/09/1999 -0400, you wrote:
From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Salvete omnes
Q.
In the Roman Republic, would a lex not have been named for the one
magistrate who convened the assembly? So, if a consul named L Cornelius
Cinna convened comitia centuriata and put before it two laws, wouldn't they
both have been named Lex Cornelia X/Y?
R.
Generally, it seems to have been a convention to name a law after whoever
proposed it (usually the magistrate who convened the assembly, but
conceivably anothe tribune or whoever might carry the day and have his law
carry. Generally speaking (again), a law was named e.g., the lex Cornelia
de whatever. Strictly speaking the senate passed leges, popular assemblies
passed plebiscita and/or rogationes ... but even in antiquity the
distinction wasn't always strictly adhered to
Q.
Related question: would it have been possible for two magistrates
(colleagues in the consulate for that year for instance) to convene the
comitia centuriata (or other assembly) jointly? Would laws put before such
a jointly-convened session of comitia centuriata not have been named
uniformly for both magistrates?
R.
Sure ... the prime example would be the lex Licinia Sextia, I suppose ...
there are other examples
Q.
Another related question: what's a good source for looking up various leges
of the Roman Republic? There's no shortage of chronological lists of
emperors, and one can even find lists of consuls. Have you ever seen a list
of leges?
The most available source in English would be the entries under 'lex' in
Berger's *Encyclopedic Dictionary of Roman Law*; the OCD (Oxford Classical
Dictionary) also has a good selection. Primary texts of many such laws can
be found in Crawford (ed.)'s excellent *Roman Statutes*. That said, the
best text/standard ref. would be Rotondi -- I think it's called Leges
Populi Romani (it's one of those works you so habitually refer to by the
author's name that you forget the title!) ... it's also in Italian. There
are assorted others ...
mpj
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: EDICT FOR THE COMITIA CENTURIATA |
| From: |
"Gaius Triumphius" poeticfiend@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:31:45 PDT |
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>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] ATTN: EDICT FOR THE COMITIA CENTURIATA
>While I appreciate your concern let me assure that L. Marius Fimbra is one
>on
>the nicest people I know, and would never allow or condone such behavior.
>Fimbra helped recruit me for NR.
>I'm responsible for the lack of endorsements. My friends all ready have
>asked me to answer M. Municius Audens clients with their own endorsements,
>which I refused. You see I think a man should be elected on his record and
>the issues. This is not a popularity contest. People who win popularity
>contests give up when voter opinion turns against them, or when times get
>tough. No, it pertains to the future of Nova Roma.
>If the voters read my record, they know of my devotion to Roma and her gods
>and my determination to get a civil law structure in place.
>That is all the Praetor Urbanus can be expected to do. Consuls and
>Senators
>enact laws, I'm not a Senator or Consul yet.
>I will one day, the Gods be willing.
>Thanks for your concern
>Vale
>Q. Fabius Maximus
>Candidate Praetor Urbanus
Hear, Hear!
I fully give my support to Fabius for Praetor Urbanus. I am sure he will do
a magnificent job putting the civil law struture in place and in giving more
attention to the oft neglected Religio.
Ave, Fabius!
-Gaius Triumphius Cicero
Senator, ProPraetor
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| Subject: |
Re: a few questions |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:33:12 -0400 (EDT) |
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To Joanne;
In regard to your name there is a name list on the Web-site that may
help, but your desire as expressed in your message would indicate that
someone expert in Latin would be more help. Vado, is such a person, and
he is always willing to help a fair damsel in distress!!!!!!!!
Well in regard to the political aspect of NovaRoma, the purpose of all
the elected and appointed Officers is to, as closely possible, re-create
the Roman Republic. We have made some changes as a sop to modern
thinking as below:
--Women are equal with men;
--We don't allow slavery;
--We don't go to war;
--We do adhere (or try to) to the Roman Virtues;
--Those who choose may practice the Religio Romano, but it is not a
requireent to join or to run for Office;
--We have a Constitution and the elcted officers together with the
Senate and some various govern mental organiztions try to pass the laws
(leges) that the majority agree that we need.;
These elected and appointed folks have the task of writing and
correcting proposed laws, formulating ideas and thoughts into
prospective future endeavors based on need and desire. All that takes a
lot of doing by people who are far apart, and it requires people who are
dedicated to the organization to undertake those tasks and carry them
through to completion. We are in the throes of our second year, and a
second set of elections, in that year, as there was some question with
the first one.
Now while all this is going on, the Religio Romano is busy setting up
i'ts College of Pontiffs, recruiting priests, makig prayer lists, and a
variety of other activities that I am not schooled in . Marcus Cassius
Julianus is our Pontifex Maximus and can help you better there than I.
We have three Sodalitas (Roman Engineering and Cartography, Roman Foods
and Wines, and Roman Families. These act as study areas for the titled
topics and they all produce information about theie areas of Roman
Culture.
We have a Equestor Ordo which are businesses that are devoted to Roman
Products (only two right now, but looking for others); a newsletter
still finding feet and coming out more or less monthly.
There is a great deal more, and most of it is listed on the NR Website
which is an excellent source of information. Most of your questions
will be answered there. Welcome to NR.
Sincerely;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: EDICT FOR THE COMITIA CENTURIATA |
| From: |
"M. Papirius Justus" papirius@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:43:23 -0400 |
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At 11:42 PM 27/09/1999 -0700, you wrote:
2. To vote on the following law:
Lex Iunia Cornelia de Patrumfamiliae Matrumfamilaeque Aetate
Better: Lex Iunia Cornelia de patresfamiliarum matresfamiliarumque aetate ...
dm
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| Subject: |
Re: Digest Number 573 |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:39:36 -0700 |
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Salvete Cives Novae Romanae.
Sulla wrote:
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:42:03 -0700
> From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
> Subject: ATTN: EDICT FOR THE COMITIA CENTURIATA
>
> Salvete Cives Novae Romae!
>
> The auspices having been taken and the omens being good, I hereby
> announce that the Comitia Centuriata will be convened three days from
> now, at 2300 (11:00 PM) on Thursday, September 30, 1999, to vote on the
> following items:
Nothing against you, Sulla, this is just a thought out loud.The citizens of Nova
Roma have known for a while now who is running for praetor, and have been able to
mull over the candidates over the course of those days. These other items have not
been presented to the people until now. not as Items we would be voting on in this
election. Yes, the issue of a minimum age requirement for x-terfamilias has been
hashed out a lot, but as a subject of debate, not as a matter that the People of
Nova Roma must consider for a decisive vote. It does matter in popular
governments. Look at all the drek that flies around real world elections. I shall
save whatever opinions I have on the merits of any of the subjects up for a vote
for other posts, if any. I wish this one to concern the technical side so the
election might go as smoothly as possible.
Another point. You stated when the polls open, but not when they close.
> 1. Filling the vacant seat of Praetor.*
>
> Candidates:
>
> Quintus Fabius Maximus
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
> * Please note that all magistrates are bound by the Edicta issued by
> Consul Decius Iunius Palladius, dated September 6, 1999. That Edicta
> concerned all magistrates taking the Oath of Office.
I do not understand why this was included?
> 2. To vote on the following law:
>
> Lex Iunia Cornelia de Patrumfamiliae Matrumfamilaeque Aetate
>
> This law shall regulate the minimum age at which a citizen may become
> the paterfamilias or materfamilias of a new Nova Roman gens.
>
> I. Any person 15-17 years of age may not form a new gens and become its
> paterfamilias or materfamilias. He or she must join an existing gens
> until the age of 18.
>
> II. If, for whatever reason, an underage citizen is the sole remaining
> person in his or her gens, then that person will be considered, within
> Nova Roma, sui iuris (free of the authority of a paterfamilias or
> materfamilias) and able to assume the position of paterfamilias or
> materfamilias and the leadership of his or her gens.
>
> III. All citizens aged 15-17 who, at the time of the passage of this
> law, already hold the position of paterfamilias or materfamilias of a
> gens shall be exempt from its provisions.
>
> IV. Under extraordinary circumstances, an exemption to this law may be
> granted to an individual by the approval of both censors and a special
> senatus consultum approved by a two thirds majority vote.
>
> V. The censors shall be charged with the enforcement of this law as part
> of their duty of reviewing and processing new citizenship applications
> and requests to form new gentes.
>
This next one needs some elucidation. It looks like the oath that Palladius's
edict of 6 Sept. instituted. I have not compared the texts of each. If one
assumes it is the same oath and it is here for confirmation by the electorate, one
would be aided in dealing with the ballot if there were a short statement saying
such. If it is modified in some degree, then a like statement would also be of
service to the voters. Confusion can lead to undesirable feeling, especially when
it concerns the exercising of ones right to vote. Nova Roma does not need either
confusion or undesirable feelings.
I also submit that there should be parenthesis setting off such instructions such
as "enter legal and Roman name here". This is easily understood, but it will help
the looks, at least, of submitted form oaths.
> 3. To vote on the following law:
>
> Lex Iunia de Iusiurando
>
> I, __enter legal and Roman name here____________do hereby solemnly swear
> to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
> interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
>
> As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, _______________________ swear to honor
> the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the
> Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
>
> I, ___________ swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the
> State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would
> threaten its status as the State Religion.
>
> I, _____________________swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
> Nova Roma.
>
> I, _____________________further swear to fulfill the obligations and
> responsibilities of the office of ______________to the best of my
> abilities.
>
> On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
> and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
> accept the position of_____________and all the rights, privileges,
> obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
>
> 4. To vote on the following law:
>
> Lex Iunia Centuriata
>
> This law “Lex Iunia Centuriata” replaces paragraph I of the law “Lex
> Vedia Centuriata”. The passage of the former leaves the remainder of
> the latter valid. Whenever a consul or praetor convenes the comitia
> centuriata, the censores are to issue an edict specifying how many
> centuries are to be allocated to the classes. By all such edicts, the
> centuries will be allocated to five classes such that Class I will have
> the greatest number of centuries, and Class V the least.
>
> 5. To vote on the following law:
>
> Lex Cornelia Centuriata
>
> "This law is enacted in order to provide Nova Roma with a standard time
> that all of its citizens may refer to, regardless of location in the
> world.
>
> "For all purposes, the time in Rome shall be regarded as the official
> time of Nova Roma. Official purposes that require the use of this
> standard time include, but are not limited to, the time at which voting
> in one of the comitia begins and ends, the time at which a newly
> appointed magistrate officially acquires his/her office, and the time at
> which a magisterial edict takes effect. Magistrates are advised to use
> official Nova Roman time in all official announcements."
>
> *End of items to be voted on.*
>
> In Service to Rome,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla,
> Consul of Nova Roma
End of my observations.
In service to Nova Roma.
With Roma Antiqua through the Ages.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius.
Senator of Nova Roma
Propraetor of California Provincia
Augur et Pontifex
|
| Subject: |
Re: Digest Number 573 |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:29:11 -0700 |
|
Razenna wrote:
> From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
>
> Salvete Cives Novae Romanae.
>
> Sulla wrote:
>
> > Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:42:03 -0700
> > From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
> > Subject: ATTN: EDICT FOR THE COMITIA CENTURIATA
> >
> > Salvete Cives Novae Romae!
> >
> > The auspices having been taken and the omens being good, I hereby
> > announce that the Comitia Centuriata will be convened three days from
> > now, at 2300 (11:00 PM) on Thursday, September 30, 1999, to vote on the
> > following items:
>
> Nothing against you, Sulla, this is just a thought out loud.The citizens of Nova
> Roma have known for a while now who is running for praetor, and have been able to
> mull over the candidates over the course of those days. These other items have not
> been presented to the people until now. not as Items we would be voting on in this
> election. Yes, the issue of a minimum age requirement for x-terfamilias has been
> hashed out a lot, but as a subject of debate, not as a matter that the People of
> Nova Roma must consider for a decisive vote. It does matter in popular
> governments. Look at all the drek that flies around real world elections. I shall
> save whatever opinions I have on the merits of any of the subjects up for a vote
> for other posts, if any. I wish this one to concern the technical side so the
> election might go as smoothly as possible.
>
Of course they have not been brought to the People til now...thats becuase Decius
Iunius and I finally prepared what we wanted to Promulgate together. Decius Iunius
consulted with Dex, I believe and was given that date. That was what he forwarded to
me and I drafted the e-mail calling the Comitia Centurita in exactly the same fashion
he did for the vacant seat for Consul and the Previous lex...there has been no
difference. Or are you complaining now because I was the one who formally am calling
the Comitia Centuriata into session?
>
> Another point. You stated when the polls open, but not when they close.
>
> > 1. Filling the vacant seat of Praetor.*
> >
> > Candidates:
> >
> > Quintus Fabius Maximus
> > Marcus Minucius Audens
> >
> > * Please note that all magistrates are bound by the Edicta issued by
> > Consul Decius Iunius Palladius, dated September 6, 1999. That Edicta
> > concerned all magistrates taking the Oath of Office.
>
> I do not understand why this was included?
Sulla: Easy see below it is one of the items being voted upon. It is there to
reiterate that it is still an Edicta that is valid upon the law.
>
>
> > 2. To vote on the following law:
> >
> > Lex Iunia Cornelia de Patrumfamiliae Matrumfamilaeque Aetate
> >
> > This law shall regulate the minimum age at which a citizen may become
> > the paterfamilias or materfamilias of a new Nova Roman gens.
> >
> > I. Any person 15-17 years of age may not form a new gens and become its
> > paterfamilias or materfamilias. He or she must join an existing gens
> > until the age of 18.
> >
> > II. If, for whatever reason, an underage citizen is the sole remaining
> > person in his or her gens, then that person will be considered, within
> > Nova Roma, sui iuris (free of the authority of a paterfamilias or
> > materfamilias) and able to assume the position of paterfamilias or
> > materfamilias and the leadership of his or her gens.
> >
> > III. All citizens aged 15-17 who, at the time of the passage of this
> > law, already hold the position of paterfamilias or materfamilias of a
> > gens shall be exempt from its provisions.
> >
> > IV. Under extraordinary circumstances, an exemption to this law may be
> > granted to an individual by the approval of both censors and a special
> > senatus consultum approved by a two thirds majority vote.
> >
> > V. The censors shall be charged with the enforcement of this law as part
> > of their duty of reviewing and processing new citizenship applications
> > and requests to form new gentes.
> >
>
> This next one needs some elucidation. It looks like the oath that Palladius's
> edict of 6 Sept. instituted. I have not compared the texts of each. If one
> assumes it is the same oath and it is here for confirmation by the electorate, one
> would be aided in dealing with the ballot if there were a short statement saying
> such. If it is modified in some degree, then a like statement would also be of
> service to the voters. Confusion can lead to undesirable feeling, especially when
> it concerns the exercising of ones right to vote. Nova Roma does not need either
> confusion or undesirable feelings.
>
Sulla: This is the same oath...we are legislating this law to make it more permanent.
A vote by the Comitia Centuriata carries much stronger weight than it just being an
Edicta.
>
> I also submit that there should be parenthesis setting off such instructions such
> as "enter legal and Roman name here". This is easily understood, but it will help
> the looks, at least, of submitted form oaths.
L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul
|
| Subject: |
RE: the Edict calling for the Election. |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:10:43 -0700 |
|
Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:
> From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
> Razenna wrote:
>
> > From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
> >
> > Salvete Cives Novae Romanae.
> >
> > Sulla wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:42:03 -0700
> > > From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
> > > Subject: ATTN: EDICT FOR THE COMITIA CENTURIATA
> > >
> > > Salvete Cives Novae Romae!
> > >
> > > The auspices having been taken and the omens being good, I hereby
> > > announce that the Comitia Centuriata will be convened three days from
> > > now, at 2300 (11:00 PM) on Thursday, September 30, 1999, to vote on the
> > > following items:
> >
> > Nothing against you, Sulla, this is just a thought out loud.The citizens of Nova
> > Roma have known for a while now who is running for praetor, and have been able to
> > mull over the candidates over the course of those days. These other items have not
> > been presented to the people until now. not as Items we would be voting on in this
> > election. Yes, the issue of a minimum age requirement for x-terfamilias has been
> > hashed out a lot, but as a subject of debate, not as a matter that the People of
> > Nova Roma must consider for a decisive vote. It does matter in popular
> > governments. Look at all the drek that flies around real world elections. I shall
> > save whatever opinions I have on the merits of any of the subjects up for a vote
> > for other posts, if any. I wish this one to concern the technical side so the
> > election might go as smoothly as possible.
> >
>
> Of course they have not been brought to the People til now...thats becuase Decius
> Iunius and I finally prepared what we wanted to Promulgate together. Decius Iunius
> consulted with Dex, I believe and was given that date. That was what he forwarded to
> me and I drafted the e-mail calling the Comitia Centurita in exactly the same fashion
> he did for the vacant seat for Consul and the Previous lex...there has been no
> difference.
I was commenting that I think more lead time on laws being voted on would be appreciated
by the voters.
> Or are you complaining now because I was the one who formally am calling
> the Comitia Centuriata into session?
Now, now, old fellow! Please refer to where I said that you should not take my comments
personally. Relax!
> >
> > Another point. You stated when the polls open, but not when they close.
Is the vote going to run to the Idus of October or the Nones of that month?
> >
> > > 1. Filling the vacant seat of Praetor.*
> > >
> > > Candidates:
> > >
> > > Quintus Fabius Maximus
> > > Marcus Minucius Audens
> > >
> > > * Please note that all magistrates are bound by the Edicta issued by
> > > Consul Decius Iunius Palladius, dated September 6, 1999. That Edicta
> > > concerned all magistrates taking the Oath of Office.
> >
> > I do not understand why this was included?
>
> Sulla: Easy see below it is one of the items being voted upon. It is there to
> reiterate that it is still an Edicta that is valid upon the law.
I'm sorry if I'm misinterpreting this. Your wording is a bit awkward here. Of course it
is still an edict. Why would one think it is not? Never mind. We will press on.
>
>
> >
> >
> > > 2. To vote on the following law:
> > >
> > > Lex Iunia Cornelia de Patrumfamiliae Matrumfamilaeque Aetate
> > >
> > > This law shall regulate the minimum age at which a citizen may become
> > > the paterfamilias or materfamilias of a new Nova Roman gens.
> > >
> > > I. Any person 15-17 years of age may not form a new gens and become its
> > > paterfamilias or materfamilias. He or she must join an existing gens
> > > until the age of 18.
> > >
> > > II. If, for whatever reason, an underage citizen is the sole remaining
> > > person in his or her gens, then that person will be considered, within
> > > Nova Roma, sui iuris (free of the authority of a paterfamilias or
> > > materfamilias) and able to assume the position of paterfamilias or
> > > materfamilias and the leadership of his or her gens.
> > >
> > > III. All citizens aged 15-17 who, at the time of the passage of this
> > > law, already hold the position of paterfamilias or materfamilias of a
> > > gens shall be exempt from its provisions.
> > >
> > > IV. Under extraordinary circumstances, an exemption to this law may be
> > > granted to an individual by the approval of both censors and a special
> > > senatus consultum approved by a two thirds majority vote.
> > >
> > > V. The censors shall be charged with the enforcement of this law as part
> > > of their duty of reviewing and processing new citizenship applications
> > > and requests to form new gentes.
> > >
> >
> > This next one needs some elucidation. It looks like the oath that Palladius's
> > edict of 6 Sept. instituted. I have not compared the texts of each. If one
> > assumes it is the same oath and it is here for confirmation by the electorate, one
> > would be aided in dealing with the ballot if there were a short statement saying
> > such. If it is modified in some degree, then a like statement would also be of
> > service to the voters. Confusion can lead to undesirable feeling, especially when
> > it concerns the exercising of ones right to vote. Nova Roma does not need either
> > confusion or undesirable feelings.
> >
>
> Sulla: This is the same oath...we are legislating this law to make it more permanent.
> A vote by the Comitia Centuriata carries much stronger weight than it just being an
> Edicta.
Yes. Good. That is the type of statement I was thinking of.
Another suggestion is that the time zone differential between Roma Time and Greenwich
Time, more properly called Universal Meant Time be stated when official time deadlines,
etc. are promulgated. I believe Roma is -1 hour from UMT. California is +8 hours. I
must admit that I do not know how US Savings Time and UK Summer Time effect this
computation.
In service of Roma Aeterna.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius.
Senator of Nova Roma.
|
| Subject: |
Re: RE: the Edict calling for the Election. |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:54:50 -0700 |
|
Razenna wrote:
> From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:
>
> > From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
> >
> > Razenna wrote:
> >
> > > From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
> > >
> > > Salvete Cives Novae Romanae.
> > >
> > > Sulla wrote:
> > >
> > > > Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:42:03 -0700
> > > > From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
> > > > Subject: ATTN: EDICT FOR THE COMITIA CENTURIATA
> > > >
> > > > Salvete Cives Novae Romae!
> > > >
> > > > The auspices having been taken and the omens being good, I hereby
> > > > announce that the Comitia Centuriata will be convened three days from
> > > > now, at 2300 (11:00 PM) on Thursday, September 30, 1999, to vote on the
> > > > following items:
> > >
> > > Nothing against you, Sulla, this is just a thought out loud.The citizens of Nova
> > > Roma have known for a while now who is running for praetor, and have been able to
> > > mull over the candidates over the course of those days. These other items have not
> > > been presented to the people until now. not as Items we would be voting on in this
> > > election. Yes, the issue of a minimum age requirement for x-terfamilias has been
> > > hashed out a lot, but as a subject of debate, not as a matter that the People of
> > > Nova Roma must consider for a decisive vote. It does matter in popular
> > > governments. Look at all the drek that flies around real world elections. I shall
> > > save whatever opinions I have on the merits of any of the subjects up for a vote
> > > for other posts, if any. I wish this one to concern the technical side so the
> > > election might go as smoothly as possible.
> > >
> >
> > Of course they have not been brought to the People til now...thats becuase Decius
> > Iunius and I finally prepared what we wanted to Promulgate together. Decius Iunius
> > consulted with Dex, I believe and was given that date. That was what he forwarded to
> > me and I drafted the e-mail calling the Comitia Centurita in exactly the same fashion
> > he did for the vacant seat for Consul and the Previous lex...there has been no
> > difference.
>
> I was commenting that I think more lead time on laws being voted on would be appreciated
> by the voters.
>
Sulla: Yes that would be more appreciated but due to the nature of the time frame (because
of the Preator Elections) Decius Iunius and I both decided to promulgate these laws. Two of
them were drafted by our Rogatores, and two drafted by Decius Iunius and myself....Why waste
an election here we can start reforming part of the Constitution in regards to some issues
that need to be 1) tweaked so to speak or 2) added upon. The two laws that were drafted by
our Rogatores we felt needed to be enacted to assist them in thier task to supervise the
Election and to count the ballots.
>
> > Or are you complaining now because I was the one who formally am calling
> > the Comitia Centuriata into session?
>
> Now, now, old fellow! Please refer to where I said that you should not take my comments
> personally. Relax!
>
Sulla: Ok just checking
>
> > >
> > > Another point. You stated when the polls open, but not when they close.
>
> Is the vote going to run to the Idus of October or the Nones of that month?
>
Sulla: The date that the poles will close will be announced probably this evening...I am
still awaiting some e-mails back :)
>
> > >
> > > > 1. Filling the vacant seat of Praetor.*
> > > >
> > > > Candidates:
> > > >
> > > > Quintus Fabius Maximus
> > > > Marcus Minucius Audens
> > > >
> > > > * Please note that all magistrates are bound by the Edicta issued by
> > > > Consul Decius Iunius Palladius, dated September 6, 1999. That Edicta
> > > > concerned all magistrates taking the Oath of Office.
> > >
> > > I do not understand why this was included?
> >
> > Sulla: Easy see below it is one of the items being voted upon. It is there to
> > reiterate that it is still an Edicta that is valid upon the law.
>
> I'm sorry if I'm misinterpreting this. Your wording is a bit awkward here. Of course it
> is still an edict. Why would one think it is not? Never mind. We will press on.
>
Well Decius Iunius asked me to reiderate that there is still an Edicta that is still in force
regarding the Oath....thats all :)
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 2. To vote on the following law:
> > > >
> > > > Lex Iunia Cornelia de Patrumfamiliae Matrumfamilaeque Aetate
> > > >
> > > > This law shall regulate the minimum age at which a citizen may become
> > > > the paterfamilias or materfamilias of a new Nova Roman gens.
> > > >
> > > > I. Any person 15-17 years of age may not form a new gens and become its
> > > > paterfamilias or materfamilias. He or she must join an existing gens
> > > > until the age of 18.
> > > >
> > > > II. If, for whatever reason, an underage citizen is the sole remaining
> > > > person in his or her gens, then that person will be considered, within
> > > > Nova Roma, sui iuris (free of the authority of a paterfamilias or
> > > > materfamilias) and able to assume the position of paterfamilias or
> > > > materfamilias and the leadership of his or her gens.
> > > >
> > > > III. All citizens aged 15-17 who, at the time of the passage of this
> > > > law, already hold the position of paterfamilias or materfamilias of a
> > > > gens shall be exempt from its provisions.
> > > >
> > > > IV. Under extraordinary circumstances, an exemption to this law may be
> > > > granted to an individual by the approval of both censors and a special
> > > > senatus consultum approved by a two thirds majority vote.
> > > >
> > > > V. The censors shall be charged with the enforcement of this law as part
> > > > of their duty of reviewing and processing new citizenship applications
> > > > and requests to form new gentes.
> > > >
> > >
> > > This next one needs some elucidation. It looks like the oath that Palladius's
> > > edict of 6 Sept. instituted. I have not compared the texts of each. If one
> > > assumes it is the same oath and it is here for confirmation by the electorate, one
> > > would be aided in dealing with the ballot if there were a short statement saying
> > > such. If it is modified in some degree, then a like statement would also be of
> > > service to the voters. Confusion can lead to undesirable feeling, especially when
> > > it concerns the exercising of ones right to vote. Nova Roma does not need either
> > > confusion or undesirable feelings.
> > >
> >
> > Sulla: This is the same oath...we are legislating this law to make it more permanent.
> > A vote by the Comitia Centuriata carries much stronger weight than it just being an
> > Edicta.
>
> Yes. Good. That is the type of statement I was thinking of.
>
Sulla: Ok
>
> Another suggestion is that the time zone differential between Roma Time and Greenwich
> Time, more properly called Universal Meant Time be stated when official time deadlines,
> etc. are promulgated. I believe Roma is -1 hour from UMT. California is +8 hours. I
> must admit that I do not know how US Savings Time and UK Summer Time effect this
> computation.
>
Sulla: Well, I shall mention it to T. Labienus and C. Marius....they are the ones who
drafted that particular legislation.... :) They would be directly affected by this.
Sulla
|
| Subject: |
ATTN: EDICTA FOR THE COMITIA CENTURIATA |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:08:04 -0700 |
|
According to my information the Comitia Centuriata will be offically
convened on Oct. 4, as dictated by Augurs.
On Oct. 17 Voting ends.
Hope this assists everyone. I apologize for any misunderstanding.
L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul
|
