Subject:	RE: the Edict calling for the Election.
From:	Art McGrath <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:26:51 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, Razenna wrote:

> From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>

> Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:

> > Of course they have not been brought to the People til now...
thats becuase Decius
> > Iunius and I finally prepared what we wanted to Promulgate together.
>> Decius Iunius
> > consulted with Dex, I believe and was given that date.
>> That was what he forwarded to
> > me and I drafted the e-mail calling the Comitia Centurita in exactly
>> the same fashion
> > he did for the vacant seat for Consul and the Previous lex...
>> there has been no
> > difference.
>
> I was commenting that I think more lead time on laws being voted on would
> be appreciated
> by the voters.

Salve Erici,

Actually the lead time is a week. The Edict was published yesterday and
the comitia actually will be convened on October 4, not September 30 as
originally stated in Sulla's original edict. We were passing so many
messages and dates back and forth that he simply put the wrong date in by
accident. September 30 is actually a market day and the comitia must be
convened by law after the first market day on which the ballot was
published. Originally I was going to go with October 1 but Dex (and you
concurred I believe) that October 4 was a much better day. This way there
is more lead time. Our apologies for any confusion.

And of course, discussion can continue on through the entire voting
period as stated in the law. Any of these topics are open to discussion
and I encourage people to please do so. I will be available for a few more
days to answer questions, at least up to Thursday anyway.


> Is the vote going to run to the Idus of October or the Nones of that month?

Voting will end on October 17. The Lex Vedia de Ratione Comitiatorum
Centuriatorum Comitiorum states that 3 market days must pass between the
publication of the edict (proposal) and the end of of voting. The 17th is
the day after the 3rd Market Day.

> Another suggestion is that the time zone differential between Roma Time
> and Greenwich
> Time, more properly called Universal Meant Time be stated when official
> time deadlines,
> etc. are promulgated. I believe Roma is -1 hour from UMT.
> California is +8 hours. I
> must admit that I do not know how US Savings Time and UK Summer Time
> effect this
> computation.

The idea that we officially adopt Roman time as our official time has been
suggested by several people and in fact a proposed law was
forwarded to us to promulgate. It is a good idea that we will institute in
a later election, probably during the major one in the Fall when next
year's magistrates are elected. It will be dated to go into effect with
the new year.


Vale,


Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul


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"Quis ita familiaris est barbaris,
ut aram Victoriae non requirat!"

Quintus Aurelius Symmachus

Subject:	Timetable for Election (fwd)
From:	Decius Iunius Palladius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:54:08 -0400 (EDT)

Salvete. This is just an informational message to let people know the
process by which the date to convene the comitia centuriata was arrived
at. It is purely an explanation of the mechanics of the process. If such
things bore you, hit delete. This is simply so that no part of the process
of government remains obscure.


Ok, here's the schedule and why these are the dates:

Sept 27-Ballot (edict or propsal) published. Reason: it is one month after
Sulla resigned as praetor (the position formally known as praetor
urbanus) and the process must start within 30 days of a vacancy.

October 4-Comitia Centuriata convened by Sulla. Reason for date:
Date is propitious according to the augurs and: It had to be convened no
earlier than Oct 1 because: according to the Lex Vedia Ratione Eligium,
voting can start no earlier than 3 days after publication of the edict and
according to the LEX VEDIA DE RATIONE CENTURIATORUM COMITIORUM, voting
shall begin following the first market day after the publication of the
proposal. So, published Sept 27, 1st Market day after is Sept 30, and the
augurs say Oct 4 is a good day.

Oct 17--voting ends. LEX VEDIA DE RATIONE CENTURIATORUM COMITIORUM
specifically states that 3 market days must pass before voting can end.
However, it states that the 3 days must come after publication of the
proposal, not after voting starts. Oct 17 is the first day after voting
ends.

Valete,

Decius Iunius Palladius
Co-Consul

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"Quis ita familiaris est barbaris,
ut aram Victoriae non requirat!"

Quintus Aurelius Symmachus

Subject:	Power & Perspective
From:
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:51:05 EDT

Salve Lucia Maria.

I have been reluctant to breech this subject, because you are so touchy, but
since it was breached on the onelist and in spectacular fashion, I'm going to
forge ahead.
Where the hell do you get off acknowledging one candidate over an other? As
a private citizen fine, but you aren't a private citizen. You control the
media. You are a minor magistrate. Even if you endorsed me, it would be
ethically wrong.
I see you didn't understand what you were doing. But I must say that I was
hurt be your lack of faith in me doing a good job as Praetor Urbanus. And
you have hurt me publicly with this little stunt. Ah well it's water under
the bridge. Just be aware that as list moderator you hold a lot of power.
And it's easy to unknowingly misuse it.
Be well.
Q. Fabius (he still has his vines) Maximus.

Subject:	Re: Power & Perspective
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 06:12:20 EDT

Salvete.
This e-mail was to be sent L.M. Fimbria and no one else. It WAS not to be
seen by onelist. However I CCd to the onelist by overlooking the CC box. It
was not to embarrass anyone. And it was not to make a more volatile a
situation that is already volatile. I'm deeply sorry that it was posted to
the onelist, and I'm equally sorry that I bothered NR with my own
disagreement with the list moderator.
But I don't apologize for my continued belief that magistrates should not
endorse candidates.

To reinforce this idea, look at all the problems it causes. A casual
observer of NR list thought that I was being squeezed out, because the list
moderator had made a public announcement that she favored one over the other.

The Consul of NR Palladius also came out on the side of the other candidate.
What message does this send the civvies of NR? I'll tell you what message.
That I'm inferior to him. What a laugh. This is why I think endorsements
should not be allowed. Rest assured Nova Romans for every endorsement that
other candidate has, I have two. I just won't allow them to be posted. I
didn't need to ask for them. My supporters asked me if it would be all
right. I said no. I felt and still feel it is unethical. And I know what
many of you are saying "Didn't ancient Rome do it this way?"

Of course they did! But then I have more money then M.M. Audens. Should I
be allowed to bribe voters also, they did that in ancient Rome? Oh, and I
need to have my poor clients while in the Forum, heap abuse about my
opponent's looks and his sexual appetites, so I can reward them.

That was the way campaigning was done then. We call it mudslinging, and
bribing voters today. The Romans called it elections as usual.

No, we can't do that. All I ask for is a level playing field. Right now I'm
not sure I have one.
Valete!
Q. Fabius
Candidate Praetor Urbanus

Subject:	News from the Webmaster
From:	"Clemons, Mary-Beth" ClemonsM@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:47:17 -0400

Salvete, omnes!

S V V B E

This is just to let everyone know that I am now responsible for any and all
updates and changes to the Nova Roma web site. So, please send me your
questions, comments, etc to me. (I noticed that a few of you have wasted no
time in doing this, which is great!) I have a lot of great ideas and I
shall ask for your opinion before I make any radical changes.

There is going to be a bit of a hold up, though, and I apologize. This was
all very poor timing, as I am in the middle of moving, so I do not have my
computer and ISP, yet. I ordered a Gateway on Sunday and I should be
receiving it on Monday. And I have made an appointment to have Road Runner
installed (but they are sent out by the cable company, so we all know how
that is!). The reason why I volunteered for this is because I have the
know-how and having the tools is only a matter of time.

In the meantime, I shall be on contact with Germanicus and running up a high
phone bill so I can get all the regular updates in order and the source
code, etc. Also, I would also like to get the phone numbers of the Consuls
so they contact me on a regular basis about title changes, constitutional
changes, and so on an so forth.

Thanks for your input and patience!

Valete!

Minervina Iucundia Flavia
Propraetor of the SE USA Provincia, Senator and Webmaster

Subject:	Re: Digest Number 574
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:50:45 -0500

On 29 Sep 99, at 7:16, <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> wrote:

>
> Why don't people like Fabius?

I wouldn't say that. At one point he, Sulla and various and sundry
others were considered "Faction". Now I don't believe this is the
case. He was "rewarded" by Germanicus, who did not care for the
Faction (or anyone in it for that matter -- trust me I know <G>), but
I don't think it was for any kind of "toga-kissing" on Fabius' part.

Amethystia Iunia Crystallina Materna (going back to reg. sub to
filter out the drivel)

Subject:	Level Playing Field
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:56:45 -0400 (EDT)

To: NR Citizens;

In response to Honored Q. Fabius' messages, I have these comments to
make:

--In regards to a level playing field, that is my desire as well. I do
not condone any activity that is unfair, as I will not abide promises
not fulflled;

--In regard to endorsements, it must be obvious that I disagree with Q.
Fabius as I believe that each person (regardless of his or her elected
/appointed position) has the right to make thier personal preferences
known. That is the right of Romans, and basic within that integeral
right is the knowledge that Nova Roman's cannot be swayed by the
opinions and statements of Senior Officials beyond that which they have
arrived in thier own minds. I have faith that given a choice the Roman
Citizens in NR will make the right one. I am secure in the belief that
endorsements are not wrong. They provide information that the Citizens
are looking for, to make intelligen decisions, which has so often been
missing in the past. If Q. Fabiu has twice the endorsements that I
have, I honor him for it, but I wonder that he has mentioned it, since
he specifically indicated that he did not believe in them. An
unimportant slip, I believe and hardly worth mentioning.

--I do not see myself as a better man than Q. Fabius at all. I see us
as different people, with different backgrounds, different skills,
different agendas, and different desires. However, I do not see it as a
laughing matter either. We are both desirous of serving NR, seriously I
trust. He will be capable of many things for you as will I. Many of
those things will not be the same. Therefore it is for you to decide
who will best serve you as an individual as well as NR as the
organization. As someone mentioned in the early part of the campaign,
the voters are going to have a tough choice. I honor the speaker for
that very kind remark, but I think it reflects the facts of the case. I
for one do not apologize for offering the voters a diffcult choice,
because over the weeks ahead the voters will not be led away from their
objective and in thier wisdom will make it right for both themselves and
NR.

--I am not sure who has more wealth between the two of us, myself or
Q.Fabius, but it certainly does not matter. Those kind individuals who
have endorsed me, have done so out of agreement with my work and
behavior in NR, and certainly not out of monetary gain. I do not
believe there is any citizen presently in NR that I think that I could
bribe, for any particular favor, and the thought of that possibility
occurring is anthema to me.

--The problem as I see it in this particular case is that an "interested
observer" made comments with regard to the election, in some pretty
brutal ways bringing a suspician of wrongdoing to some very nice people.
The situation has been handled nicely by the Consul, which is to be
expected but nice to see. I have written the "interested observer" and
indicated that I thought her words were a little excessive perhaps for
the situation. I understand from the lady in question that she has
apologized to Fimbria. However, in all this I do not blame Fimbria, as
she has always been a stalwart, rather I blame an outsider with a rough
edge to her tongue, and I am convinced that in NR it is the citizens who
deserve the benefit of the doubt, rather than "interested observers:
lurking on the perimeter, and contributing little except opinions that
disirupt the micronation

In closing, since Q. Fabious has bee so forth-coming, I too posted a
message to the list instead of to an individual. I didn't report such
as I was away for a day or two, When I arrived back home I had recieved
a very bitter and accusing E-Mail, a portion of which was based on my
mis-sent message. I thought perhaps that I would wait for other
comments, but there have been none, even though the message could easily
have been taken the wrong way. My only reason for telling you now is to
let you know that I feel everyone makes mistakes and that Q. Fabius'
sllp could and has happened to many others. I endorse his comments
asking for your indulgence in this matter of the two mis-sent messages.

My Friends-- It is always a privaledge to stand before you in Forum and
discuss the issues that face us all. I most humbly ask only that you
allow me to continue to do so, for your benefit, throughout the
remainder of the year.

I thank you for your kind attention;

Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Candidate For Praetor .

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Audens VS. Fabius -- rambling
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:08:20 -0500

Salvete,

I am not sure which to vote for. I am THRILLED that there IS a
choice, but the decision is a toughie.

Both candidates are IMHO, strong, caring men. I think that they
both care for our Roma and will do the best they can for it.

While Fabius is Religio Romana and Audens is not, I do believe
Audens would never disrespect the Religio.

Both candidates have been friends (although I think Fabius has
distanced himself from my husband and myself over the recent
brouhaha with Suiia and Germanicus, which is a shame) and have
shown at least passing interest in our family.

Politically I think both would be great. However I admit to being
confused about politics. Fabius feels I am overemotional. That
doesn't help (must be an estrogen thing).

Neither is in my Sodalis, but both have contributed greatly.

Shame I can't do the Chicagoian thing and vote for both of them at
least 3 times <G>

Crys

Subject:	Women in NR
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:15:41 -0500

My dearest Audens,

You posted that women and men are treated fairly in Nova Roma. I
must disagree with that in that men and women are occasionally
treated UNfairly in Nova Roma.

Were you aware that as Paterfamilias you have the right to keep
your gens members in your gens against their will? It goes back to
the ancient right Paterfamilias had over life and death of his
children. This is one thing in Nova Roma that desperately needs to
change. I do not suggest "Gens Hopping", but I think that civies
should have the right to change from their original gens should they
find their Paterfamilias unacceptable. The way it stands now, you
must quit Nova Roma or physically die to get out of the gens you
joined upon joining Nova Roma should your Paterfamilias decide
you aren't going anywhere.

To those not yet citizens: The way the law is now, I would advise
you either start your own independent gens or make sure you are
ABSOLUTELY sure you are joining the right one, the one you will
be with for life. You will never be allowed to switch gens. Gens
choice is as sure as death and taxes.

Amethystia Iunia Crystallina Materna

Subject:	Re: Women in NR
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:22:21 -0500

On 29 Sep 99, at 9:15, Don and Crys Meaker wrote:

> To those not yet citizens: The way the law is now, I would advise
> you either start your own independent gens or make sure you are
> ABSOLUTELY sure you are joining the right one, the one you will
> be with for life. You will never be allowed to switch gens. Gens
> choice is as sure as death and taxes.

OOPS, this is not 100% true. If you have a Pater/Mater who is
reasonable, you DO stand a chance. Of course if you don't ........

Amethystia Iunia Crystallina Materna

Subject:	Re: Power & Perspective
From:	Marius Fimbria legion6@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:51:34 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete omnes...

I have already responded to both Rahnette and Quintus Fabius privately;
but the issue having been brought up publicly in the first place and
affecting the List as it does, I feel the need to also respond
publicly.

Quintus Fabius has asked:
> Where the hell do you get off acknowledging one candidate over an
> other? As a private citizen fine, but you aren't a private citizen.
> You control the media. You are a minor magistrate. Even if you
> endorsed me, it would be ethically wrong.

Yeah...I kinda noticed that. After the fact, of course...*sigh*; chalk
up another 'learning experience'...

> I see you didn't understand what you were doing. But I must say that
> I was hurt be your lack of faith in me doing a good job as Praetor
> Urbanus.

I have all the faith in the world that Quintus would make a splendid
Praetor Urbanus. However, I can only pick one candidate, and I chose
Audens. I'm a peculiar bird in this respect: I still believe you can
support one candidate without necessarily opposing the other...

Quintus Fabius and Marcus Audens are two of my closest friends in Nova
Roma, and Quintus is one of my confidants. It is only the cruelty of
Fortune that requires me to choose between the two. I made that choice
as a private Citizen, and announced it to the world in that same
capacity; then immediately regretted it, realizing what an endorsement
might do to public confidence in my objectivity...which is all I've
really got going for me. Did I earn that trust through never voicing
an opinion? --Of course not. I earned it through the consistent
moderateness of my own stances and my equally-consistent respect for
the views of others.

> Just be aware that as list moderator you hold a lot of power.
> And it's easy to unknowingly misuse it.

Gotcha...

> Be well.

Chastened,
************************************************************
Lucius Marius Fimbria |>[SPQR]<|
mka Märia Villarroel |\=/|
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> ( ~ 6 )~~~----...,,__
Roman Historical Re-Creationist `\*/, ``}`^~``,,, \ \
and Citizen of Nova Roma ``=.\ (__==\_ /\ }
'Just a-hangin' around the Universe, | | / )\ \| /
bein' a Roman... It's hard work, _|_| / _/_| /`(
but SOMEbody's gotta do it!!' /./..=' /./..'

Subject:	RE: the Edict calling for the Election.
From:	SDmtwi@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:56:06 EDT

Salvete.

> I was commenting that I think more lead time on laws being voted on would be appreciated
> by the voters.

Actually, C Aelius, I believe that the reason for allowing a trinundinae between the opening of the polls and the close of voting (that is what the law calls for) is to allow the populace to debate the issues. That's nearly a month to discuss the issues, which seems pretty reasonable to me.

> > > Another point. You stated when the polls open, but not when they close.
>
> Is the vote going to run to the Idus of October or the Nones of that month?

A good question. At least one trinundinae must pass before the polls close, but the law doesn't set a specific period. What is the official word on this?

> Another suggestion is that the time zone differential between Roma Time and Greenwich
> Time, more properly called Universal Meant Time be stated when official time deadlines,
> etc. are promulgated. I believe Roma is -1 hour from UMT. California is +8 hours. I
> must admit that I do not know how US Savings Time and UK Summer Time effect this
> computation.

That's not a bad idea. I suggest that, assuming the law carries, we put an official NR clock on the website. It should be relatively easy to include one of the many free clock applets that can be found on the web and set it to Rome's time. That way, it would be easy for anyone to check the official time when he or she needed to do so.

Valete,
T Labienus Fortunatus

Subject:	RE: RE: the Edict calling for the Election.
From:	"Clemons, Mary-Beth" ClemonsM@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:02:10 -0400

That's not a bad idea. I suggest that, assuming the law
carries, we put an official NR clock on the website. It should be
relatively easy to include one of the many free clock applets that can be
found on the web and set it to Rome's time. That way, it would be easy for
anyone to check the official time when he or she needed to do so.

Valete,
T Labienus Fortunatus

Salvete, Quirites!

This can, in fact, be done. It is just as easy as Fortunatus says.
Just because I am the webmaster, I cannot simply just add and take away
things on a whim. I don't see how it could possibly hurt, but who knows?
Consuls, whaddya think? (Shall I just add it to the list?)

Studiose,

Minervina Iucundia Flavia
Propraetor SE USA Provincia, Senator and Webmaster

Subject:	Time for discussion was RE: the Edict calling for the Election.
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:01:14 -0400

Salvete C Aeli et alii

I just wanted to point out that citizens can debate laws (and candidates for
that matter) throughout the period of voting, not just in advance of the
opening of voting. Since voting assemblies continue for a minimum amount of
time to include two nundinae (10 days, right?), there is always at least
that amount of time to air concerns about laws.

Valete

C Marius Merullus
-

>From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
>
>
>

>
>I was commenting that I think more lead time on laws being voted on would
be appreciated
>by the voters.
>

>
>In service of Roma Aeterna.
>
>Valete.
>C. Aelius Ericius.
>Senator of Nova Roma.
>

Subject:	Re: Power & Perspective
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:18:02 -0400

Salvete Q Fabi et alii

Please, let's keep the competition about "the issues", as you previously
said.

There aren't many of us here, Q Fabi. If one were to take the position that
no magistrate could post a political message, then practically noone active
on this list could post a political message.


>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>

>situation that is already volatile. I'm deeply sorry that it was posted to
>the onelist, and I'm equally sorry that I bothered NR with my own
>disagreement with the list moderator.

To err is human. I doubt anyone could hold a mistake against you,
especially after you promptly recognized it and apologized.

>But I don't apologize for my continued belief that magistrates should not
>endorse candidates.

Why would anyone have to apologize for a belief :)? I certainly won't
apologize for my belief contrary to yours: there simply aren't enough
Novoromani to compartmentalize magistrates out of political campaigns.
>
>To reinforce this idea, look at all the problems it causes. A casual
>observer of NR list thought that I was being squeezed out, because the list
>moderator had made a public announcement that she favored one over the
other.

Not much of a problem, was it? That misunderstanding was cleared up rather
quickly.
>
>The Consul of NR Palladius also came out on the side of the other
candidate.
>What message does this send the civvies of NR? I'll tell you what message.
>That I'm inferior to him. What a laugh. This is why I think endorsements
>should not be allowed. Rest assured Nova Romans for every endorsement that
>other candidate has, I have two. I just won't allow them to be posted.

Then discipline in your camp is breaking up, because I received one
endorsement of you in my inbox already.

I
>didn't need to ask for them. My supporters asked me if it would be all
>right. I said no. I felt and still feel it is unethical. And I know what
>many of you are saying "Didn't ancient Rome do it this way?"
>
>Of course they did!

Thanks for confirming that for us :).

But then I have more money then M.M. Audens. Should I
>be allowed to bribe voters also, they did that in ancient Rome?

Let the bidding begin :)! Seriously though....this doesn't strike me as a
serious question....and the rest of this below...well, like you said, let's
focus on the issues.

Valete

C Marius Merullus

Oh, and I
>need to have my poor clients while in the Forum, heap abuse about my
>opponent's looks and his sexual appetites, so I can reward them.
>
>That was the way campaigning was done then. We call it mudslinging, and
>bribing voters today. The Romans called it elections as usual.
>
>No, we can't do that. All I ask for is a level playing field. Right now
I'm
>not sure I have one.
>Valete!
>Q. Fabius
>Candidate Praetor Urbanus
>
>>

Subject:	Re: Women in NR
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:59:18 -0400 (EDT)

To; Chrys;

My Lady;

I am disppointed tat you think that you have been treated less than
fairly. It saddens me to thik someone, anyone would treat you other
thn with the dignity and gentleness than in my estimation you deserve.
More than that I cannot say, as it is a family (Gens) matter and I may
not interfere, and my opinion not knowing both sides of the conflict
would be valuless.

In regard to the rules that bind those in my Gens, yes I am aware of
them from the postings on this net. I,personally, am not to concerned,
however, as I cannot imagine any situation where such a rule wold have
to be enforced in my gens. If you feel that a law changing such should
be proposed, then by all means use that desire to choose the Peraetor
with whom you will have the best chance to get what you wish. Remember
the important ting is to vote, and vote for satisfaction to yourself and
for the good of NR. You have been most verbal on this net about the
things that concern you. Take this opportunity to choose to vote that
which will get you what you want.

Your comments about politics are fairly commonly held. Politics iswhat
is right or appears right a the moment with strong regard for the
proponent's ability to make people believe that he or she (the
politician) is correct. Many things are used to hiethen that feelng,
endorsements, past effort, and service, background experiece, and
believability.

I remember a local man running for office some years ago interrupting me
at a dinner table and asking those at the table what he could do for
them. When all answered and I had remained silent, he asked me again,
and my response was:" get some training on how to conduct yourself in
public." The man has sine been elected as a Senator, but I have never
regretted my action as he ha proven his inability many times over of
being unwilling or unable to deal with individual problems. In the
end, this election and all others hinge upon whether or not both you and
NR are going to suffer or rejoice in the result of this election. As
Ihave said before, I do not regret offering you a difficult choice, and
your letter is a real compliment because it reflects the difficulty of
which I speak. I am afraid y dear, that this is a decision that you
will have to think out to your satisfaction alone.

In regardto equal rights, I was referring to the constitution and the
culture where women are held as equal to men. I would remind you that a
materfamilas has the same power as the Paterfamilias. You once said
that you could refuse me nothing, so I know ask this:

For your own piece of mind, and for the dignity of your family, please
end this business of hating a former friend. You and I both know that
your gods do not smile upon it, nor do the virtues extoll it. You are a
bigger person than that, and I long for you to demonstrate such. Use
yur vote to confound those not your friends, but your beauty,
gentillity, and brilliance to extoll those who call you friend.. I am
aware hat I tread into a morass, of personal feelings, but I value you
and your family, and I appeal to your basic kindness and good sense, and
if that is not enough, I ask you for myself, your friend.

Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: News from the Webmaster
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:26:49 -0500 (CDT)

Salve! I just wanted to drop you a note after reading that you were
calling some magistrates long distance. Maybe you know already but 2
numbers you can use for 5 cents a min. are 10-10-636 +1+ area code or
10-10-811. Neither number carries a monthly usage fee. Beyond that how
has everything been going?

Gaius Drusus Domitianus

Subject:	RE: News from the Webmaster
From:	"Clemons, Mary-Beth" ClemonsM@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:40:17 -0400

>Salve! I just wanted to drop you a note after reading that
you were
>calling some magistrates long distance. Maybe you know
already but 2
>numbers you can use for 5 cents a min. are 10-10-636 +1+
area code or
>10-10-811. Neither number carries a monthly usage fee.
Beyond that how
>has everything been going?

>Gaius Drusus Domitianus

I dunno, Domitianus, as much as I talk, that might not help!
;o) Thanks!

Other than that, everything is slow going! I am waiting on
my computer and ISP. I've got plenty to do, though!

Bene vale,

Iucundia Flavia
Propraetor SE USA Provincia
Senator
Webmaster (webmistress?)

Subject:	More trivia was News from the Webmaster
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:36:27 -0400

Salvete Iucundia et alii

Congratulations on taking over responsibility for the site. Since you
indicate that you're not totally comfortable with the title "webmaster", how
about curator (or maybe better, curatrix) araneae? I think that a title
like that was instituted by Germanicus. In fact, why don't I just go to the
site and find it:

Yup, there it is: In the law entitled "Lex Vedia Vigintisexviri", there is
the title Curator Araneum. Now, I could be missing something, but isn't
"web" aranea, -ae? And if so, why the form "araneum"?

Valete

C Marius Merullus


> I dunno, Domitianus, as much as I talk, that might not help!

:)
>;o) Thanks!
>
> Iucundia Flavia
> Propraetor SE USA Provincia
> Senator
> Webmaster (webmistress?)
>
>

Subject:	Re: Women in NR
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:47:57 -0500

On 29 Sep 99, at 13:59, James Mathews wrote:

My dear Audens,

> In regardto equal rights, I was referring to the constitution and the
> culture where women are held as equal to men. I would remind you that a
> materfamilas has the same power as the Paterfamilias. You once said that
> you could refuse me nothing, so I know ask this:
>

Rut Roh!! Here it comes <G>

> For your own piece of mind, and for the dignity of your family, please end
> this business of hating a former friend. You and I both know that your
> gods do not smile upon it, nor do the virtues extoll it. You are a bigger
> person than that, and I long for you to demonstrate such. Use yur vote to
> confound those not your friends, but your beauty, gentillity, and
> brilliance to extoll those who call you friend.. I am aware hat I tread
> into a morass, of personal feelings, but I value you and your family, and
> I appeal to your basic kindness and good sense, and if that is not enough,
> I ask you for myself, your friend.
>
> Marcus Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>

For you I will do my best. Right now I cannot stomach the
comments of this person and so my email program remains set to
simply delete any email coming from that email address.

After a violent assault, I sought the advice of a friend of mine as
forgiveness was impossible to my mind. She told me "Forgive the
person as the insane individual. Forgive the person as sick. You
mustn't forget, however, for then you chance walking into the same
trap yet again. Then you will have learned nothing." (well,
something to that effect, it WAS over 10 years ago)

Forgive I can do. Forget I don't DARE do.

Crystallina Materna

Subject:	RE: More trivia was News from the Webmaster
From:	"Clemons, Mary-Beth" ClemonsM@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:52:26 -0400

>Yup, there it is: In the law entitled "Lex Vedia
Vigintisexviri", there is
>the title Curator Araneum. Now, I could be missing
something, but isn't
>"web" aranea, -ae? And if so, why the form "araneum"?

>Valete

>C Marius Merullus


Bwa ha ha ha <maniacal laugh>...I claim yet another really
long title for my name! J/K

Isn't there a saying: A rose by any other name would smell
just as sweet? (No smart-ass remarks from Fabius, Sulla or Cassius, please!
I can just see the three of you ready to use that line against me!)

Actually, I was just joking about the gender of the noun,
that's all. It's 6 and one half dozen of the other to me, as far as I'm
concerned. But, hey, if it's in the Lex, then I guess that's what I'll use.
Thanks!

You learn something new everyday,

Minervina Iucundia Flavia,
Post-pre-propraetor
Senator
Curator Araneum

Subject:	Vado and Distressed Damsels
From:	"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:34:01 PDT

Salvete,

Marcus Minucius Audens wrote:

>To Joanne;
>
>In regard to your name there is a name list on the Web-site that may
>help, but your desire as expressed in your message would indicate that
>someone expert in Latin would be more help. Vado, is such a person, and
>he is always willing to help a fair damsel in distress!!!!!!!!

Ahem! If he thinks he can, Vado will try to help anyone who asks, regardless
of their gender or emotional state! He certainly likes using Latin but I
wouldn't describe him as an expert. Neither would he.

Valete,

Aletheia Moravia (succeeded in getting Vado off the PC for a minute)

Subject:	Clientes
From:	"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:48:42 PDT

Populari, Salutem!

For the record (O Quinte Fabi Maxime), I am NOT a 'client' of Marcus
Minucius Audens. The proofs are as follows...

I do not e-mail Audens a dutiful salutatio each morning, nor does he reward
me with a modest EDI international credit to my bank account.

I do not have a bust of Audens in my lararium (or anywhere else in the
domus, for that matter), I do not sacrifice to his genius and I don't even
know when his birthday is.

I do not consult him on matters affecting my gens, nor have I named either
of my cats after him.

I support his candidacy for the Praetorship not because he is my patron (he
isn't - he can't get me a better job than the one I have already, he never
hands me free theatre tickets and has never asked me to dine with him)... I
support Audens for Praetor because I, as a pleb., happen to find him the
most approachable person of the three contenders. I urge anyone still
undecided about who to vote for to consider this last matter, then to cast
their pebble in the urn marked 'Audens'.

Bene valete,

Vado.

>I didn't know that Fimbria, Palladius and I were clients of Audens or
>anyone
>else. It seems a bit odd that we would be his clients, since we were all
>citizens before his arrival, I think. Is Probus Audens' client? Who are
>these clients?
>
>It seems to me that support for a candidate does not equal a client/patron
>relationship.
> >From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
> >
> >I'm responsible for the lack of endorsements. My friends all ready have
> >asked me to answer M. Municius Audens clients with their own
>endorsements,
> >which I refused. You see I think a man should be elected on his record
>and
>--deletion--
> >Thanks for your concern
> >Vale
> >Q. Fabius Maximus
> >Candidate Praetor Urbanus

Subject:	Re: More trivia was News from the Webmaster
From:	"RCW" alexious@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:31:28 -0700

> Bwa ha ha ha <maniacal laugh>...I claim yet another really
> long title for my name! J/K
>
> Isn't there a saying: A rose by any other name would smell
> just as sweet? (No smart-ass remarks from Fabius, Sulla or Cassius,
please!
> I can just see the three of you ready to use that line against me!)

Dont worry dear Flavia....that will be said strictly on AOL IM :) hehehe

*I am just waiting til I get on my home computer to get to AIM*

L. Cornelius Sulla

Subject:	Back online! :)
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:35:10 EDT

Salvete,

My apologies for posting a personal and mostly off-topic message to the list.

After nearly a month, my computer is *fully* repaired, and I am back online!
As I mentioned to several people (and believe posted to this list as well) my
system was continually crashing and not rebooting to Windows. This had kept
me away from Nova Roma almost completely.

It turned out that my UMAX flatbed scanner had an SCSI card that was
conflicting with windows. The UMAX company website actually had a solution
to this problem right on their website, once we'd figured out what the
trouble actually was. I mention this only to provide some general advice
which might be helpful:

If you ever have a computer problem that keeps giving a specific error
message every time, try looking the error message up on the Internet with a
search engine. Your answer may be right online, and this could save you
paying 'experts' for going through your system to isolate the problem by
trial and error.

Anyway. There is a fair amount of Pontificial business which I'll now be
able to catch up on, and I can receive and answer Emails from anyone needing
to contact me.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Senator, Pontifex Maximus

Subject:	Re: Clientes
From:	JSA varromurena@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:17:03 -0700 (PDT)

For the record (O Quinte Fabi Maxime), I am NOT a
'client' of Marcus
Minucius Audens. The proofs are as follows...

I do not e-mail Audens a dutiful salutatio each
morning, nor does he reward
me with a modest EDI international credit to my bank
account.

I do not have a bust of Audens in my lararium (or
anywhere else in the
domus, for that matter), I do not sacrifice to his
genius and I don't even
know when his birthday is.

I do not consult him on matters affecting my gens, nor
have I named either
of my cats after him.

I support his candidacy for the Praetorship not
because he is my patron (he
isn't - he can't get me a better job than the one I
have already, he never
hands me free theatre tickets and has never asked me
to dine with him)... I
support Audens for Praetor because I, as a pleb.,
happen to find him the
most approachable person of the three contenders. I
urge anyone still
undecided about who to vote for to consider this last
matter, then to cast
their pebble in the urn marked 'Audens'.

Bene valete,

>Vado.

Gosh, wish *I* had clientes. It'd be fun to have them
traipse after me across campus, send a few to pick up
books for me at the library, pick me up a cup of
coffee, grade papers for me.... Hey! they're called
"students"!

L. Licinius Varro Murena

Subject:	Re: Clientes
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:31:35 -0500

On 29 Sep 99, at 16:17, JSA wrote:

> .
>
> Gosh, wish *I* had clientes. It'd be fun to have them
> traipse after me across campus, send a few to pick up
> books for me at the library, pick me up a cup of
> coffee, grade papers for me.... Hey! they're called
> "students"!
>
> L. Licinius Varro Murena
>

You truly ARE a genius!! I gave birth to mine and must now wait
for them to grow up and undergo proper training. sheesh

Materna

Subject:	Election Question
From:	"RCW" alexious@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:22:54 -0700

I have a question for our 2 candidates for Praetors. Given the short term of the office. Exactly what do both of you think you can reasonably accomplish in that short of time span? All this bickering about Clients and endorsements I think is detracting from the real issue. Exactly, what is your platforms?

L. Cornelius Sulla
Voter

Subject:	Re: the Election
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:27:55 -0700

Salvete.

I wish to thank you all for the clarifications and explications.

Valete.

C. Aelius Ericius.
Senator of Nova Roma
Augur and Pontifex

Subject:	Re: Election Question
From:	"RCW" alexious@--------
Date:	Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:15:41 -0700

Salve Audens,

I am grateful for your response. I was just trying to put the election back
into the proper footing.... which is back with politics and what can be
offered to Nova Roma. I know that you, my friend will do a great job if you
are given the opportunity to serve as Praetor. You are very competent and
are eager to learn in any position given to you by the People of Nova Roma.

L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul
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To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Election Question


> From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/font>
>
> To; L.Coreliua Sulla;
>
> My dear sir;
>
> My platform was enclosed in my original list of credits, which was
> posted to the List, the Censors and to the Consuls for review. I am
> sure either Consul or Censor could provide such to you. However,
> knowing how busy the Censors are these days, I should be most peased to
> send you a secon copy. I believe everyone else on the list has a copy
> already.
>
> Anyone else who would like another copy of my credits and platform just
> give me the word, and I will be happy to send it again.
>
> Thank you L. Cornelius Sulla (voter) for your interest in this political
> campaign.
>
> Respectfully
> Marcus Audens
> Candidate For Praetor
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
> >