Subject:	Out Of Town
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:17:35 -0400 (EDT)

Just a note to tell everyone that I will be out of town for the remaider
of today, Saturday and Sunday for a large re-enactment (Rev War) in East
Haddam, CT down on the CT. River. It is a beautful little village, and
I will be fairly easy to find as I will be the British Landing Force
Commander and Event Co-Commander. I will also be the most hated man in
town by Sunday noon (Grin)!!!!!!!!!!!

There will be skirmishes on Sat and Sun, a surprise ending to the town's
occuption on Sunday, a parade, dinner and dance on Saturday. If anyone
in a reasonable radius of the event is interested you are most cordially
invited to attend.

Talk with you all again on Monday

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Taxes / Dues -- Whatever they are called
From:	JSA varromurena@--------
Date:	Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:03:18 -0700 (PDT)

--- RCW <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> wrot--------r> > Why
> criticize something that
> would be equally distributed to all civies?
>
> L. Cornelius Sulla
> Consul
>

Because I'd like to see more funding coming from the
Macellum, and I'd like to see the Aediles, Quaestors,
and Tribunes trying to make those connections to
non-Roman firms as a way to bring in a bit of money. I
myself wouldn't know where to start to contact the
people involved in such enterprises. I have offered to
suggest books and write mini-reviews on them, and I
still think it would be a good idea to reorganize the
bookstore into a library with a link to amazon.com
(but I don't have any skills in web-page design or
maintenance).

I appreciate the effort of some of the magistrates,
but others seem mostly involved in running for office,
boasting of their qualifications, running other
candidates down, and proposing a bunch of laws that
I'm not sure we really need at this early stage.
Though Livy and Plutarch suggested that Romulus spent
the first few years writing all sorts of laws for his
new foundation, clearly the record shows that building
a sense of community came first, the laws eventually
appearing as a need for them became apparent. So, what
I'm concerned about is building a sense of community
in Nova Roma, which is not what I see occurring on the
main list. I've suggested the Ancient Faire as a means
to this (hopefully it will make a bit of money too),
and picnics, and get-togethers of other kinds. I
appreciate Ericius' suggestion about meeting in Vegas,
but, again, Caesar's Palace is one of the most
expensive hotels in town, and many of us lowly
plebeians have very little financial resources--though
we could well afford to attend picnics et aliter.

In other words, I've been suggesting that some of the
magistrates re-focus their efforts--but all I've
gotten is a lot of flak in return, which makes me
wonder why I emigrated to Nova Roma, and why I've
encouraged others to emigrate as well, when Hellenion
is a much more welcoming place.

Vale.
L. Licinius Varro Murena

L. Licinius V

Subject:	Re: Re: Property
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@--------
Date:	Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:20:02 -0500

Valete!

Of course earlier folks who left to find a land for their religion were
were the Pilgrims, and the Mormons founded Deseret in what is
now Utah. The Blood and Soil urge is strong.

Gaius Iunius Placidus

Subject:	Fabius' Politico-Religious Views
From:	"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@--------
Date:	Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:07:08 PDT

To: Quintus Fabius Maximus, in the presence of our fellow-citizens:

Sir:

I note your reply to my questions, which did not answer any of them, but
were simply off the point and accusatory.

What is at issue between you and me is not whether you think that
Christianity is based on falsehood, nor whether Christians should be banned
from Nova Roma (if they were, there would be no Nova Roman Christians to
accuse of divided loyalty (as in the days of persecution), or to advocate
discrimination against).

In your election address, you stated that the gods of Nova Roma's official
religion do not favour someone who does not worship them, even though s(he)
may acknowledge their existence, honour and respect them.

I therefore asked if you were advocating that only those who follow the
Religio Romana should be permitted to hold office in Nova Roma.
You did not answer the question.

I ask again: do you think that only Romano-pagans should be allowed to hold
office in Nova Roma? And, if elected, would you strive to enact a law to
this effect?

If this is what you believe and what you would do, please have the courage
and honesty to say so. Don't dodge the issue by accusing me of being
inflammatory, insulting or uncaring about my own faith because I happen to
disagree with what I think you believe and desire, but which you have not
seen fit either to confirm or deny.

I took your election address statement to its logical conclusion, which is
that you would deny Christians, Jews, Epicureans and Asatruars their right
as citizens to participate fully in the political process as officers of
Nova Roma, for the peculiar reason that the gods couldn't love them, as they
love Quintus Fabius (or Vado). This discrimination, of course, would make
all non-Romano-pagans second-class citizens.

I therefore ask you again: do our gods (who have tolerated YHWH, his
devotees, and atheists, too, for a very long time now): do our gods love a a
good unbeliever less than a nominal or a bad believer? Surely, Quinte Fabi,
if the gods are good, must they not love all that is good? Does it befit us
to be jealous of the love of our gods?

As I have said before, your views, as I have interpreted them, speak to me
of discrimination, and discrimination in a society between members on
grounds of race or religion, is a prerequisite of persecution. I ask you,
simply and honestly either to confirm or deny that this is what you stand
for.

Nicolaus Moravius Vado.

Subject:	Re: Fabius' Politico-Religious Views
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@--------
Date:	Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:30:27 -0700

Nicolaus Moravius wrote:

> From: "Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>
>
> To: Quintus Fabius Maximus, in the presence of our fellow-citizens:
>

Sulla: Well...let me just point out that I am Jewish..and I was raised as a
Church of Christ Xtian...and I consider Q. Fabius Maximus my best friend in Nova
Roma. Him and I meet for lunch at least month. And I am glad that I have such
a good friend. He is extremely knowledgeable, dedicated and he is good for Nova
Roma....He has helped me in so many ways..like when Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
tried to "exile me to Rhodes." It was Fabius who rallied support for me... It
was Fabius's involvement that greatly contributed to the West Coasts presence in
the Celebrate History Convention. He has shown how dedicated he is to his
current Curule Aedile position with Great games...and now the Social War RPG.
And even during the "Social Wars" He was on of the main focal points of
communication. I for one, even had to call him from my work to find out exactly
what was going on...since I was offline at the time. Q. Fabius has shown that
he cares for the Nova Roma community, by authoring the dues legislation and
being one of the persons who assisted in the New Constitution. And he is
someone I go to for interpretation of Roman History and Roman Legal History.
And I am feel very proud that I can call him one of my true best friends in Nova
Roma.

L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul

>
> I took your election address statement to its logical conclusion, which is
> that you would deny Christians, Jews, Epicureans and Asatruars their right
> as citizens to participate fully in the political process as officers of
> Nova Roma, for the peculiar reason that the gods couldn't love them, as they
> love Quintus Fabius (or Vado). This discrimination, of course, would make
> all non-Romano-pagans second-class citizens.
>
> I therefore ask you again: do our gods (who have tolerated YHWH, his
> devotees, and atheists, too, for a very long time now): do our gods love a a
> good unbeliever less than a nominal or a bad believer? Surely, Quinte Fabi,
> if the gods are good, must they not love all that is good? Does it befit us
> to be jealous of the love of our gods?
>
> As I have said before, your views, as I have interpreted them, speak to me
> of discrimination, and discrimination in a society between members on
> grounds of race or religion, is a prerequisite of persecution. I ask you,
> simply and honestly either to confirm or deny that this is what you stand
> for.
>
> Nicolaus Moravius Vado.
>
>

Subject:	Re: Taxes / Dues -- Whatever they are called
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@--------
Date:	Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:45:11 -0700

Salve...well just let me tell you about myself, since you are new...to Nova
Roma...about 6-8 months ago...I was Senior Partner to 4 businesses....at the
time..during the old government I tried to get 3 out of the 4 businesses on
the Marcellum...The businesses were: Computer hardware/Software, Web, and
an adult business that I had. I was rejected. And, told...politely that my
business had not much in common with ancient Rome....well Q. Fabius and I
were at a the time working on finding a way to make the adult business
appear more Roman...but in the end...I ended up resigning my part of the
business. And, while agree that we should include more businesses...in the
Marcellum...I also believe that we all are stakeholders in Nova Roma and we
all should be involved in the fiscal responsibility that makes up Nova
Roma. Even if it is 10.00 per year..(the price of a pizza).

Vale

L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul

JSA wrote:

> From: JSA <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=081166091180193192130061163101147165026048139046" >varromurena@--------</a>
>
> --- RCW <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> wrot--------font>
> > Why
> > criticize something that
> > would be equally distributed to all civies?
> >
> > L. Cornelius Sulla
> > Consul
> >
>
> Because I'd like to see more funding coming from the
> Macellum, and I'd like to see the Aediles, Quaestors,
> and Tribunes trying to make those connections to
> non-Roman firms as a way to bring in a bit of money. I
> myself wouldn't know where to start to contact the
> people involved in such enterprises. I have offered to
> suggest books and write mini-reviews on them, and I
> still think it would be a good idea to reorganize the
> bookstore into a library with a link to amazon.com
> (but I don't have any skills in web-page design or
> maintenance).
>
> I appreciate the effort of some of the magistrates,
> but others seem mostly involved in running for office,
> boasting of their qualifications, running other
> candidates down, and proposing a bunch of laws that
> I'm not sure we really need at this early stage.
> Though Livy and Plutarch suggested that Romulus spent
> the first few years writing all sorts of laws for his
> new foundation, clearly the record shows that building
> a sense of community came first, the laws eventually
> appearing as a need for them became apparent. So, what
> I'm concerned about is building a sense of community
> in Nova Roma, which is not what I see occurring on the
> main list. I've suggested the Ancient Faire as a means
> to this (hopefully it will make a bit of money too),
> and picnics, and get-togethers of other kinds. I
> appreciate Ericius' suggestion about meeting in Vegas,
> but, again, Caesar's Palace is one of the most
> expensive hotels in town, and many of us lowly
> plebeians have very little financial resources--though
> we could well afford to attend picnics et aliter.
>
> In other words, I've been suggesting that some of the
> magistrates re-focus their efforts--but all I've
> gotten is a lot of flak in return, which makes me
> wonder why I emigrated to Nova Roma, and why I've
> encouraged others to emigrate as well, when Hellenion
> is a much more welcoming place.
>
> Vale.
> L. Licinius Varro Murena
>
> L. Licinius V
>

Subject:	Re: Taxes / Dues -- Whatever they are called
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:06:07 -0500 (CDT)

Hellenion I wanted to note also mentions a dues structure in their
websight but on the issue of community and spirit of Nova Roma the point
seems valid.

Gaius Drusus Domitianus

Subject:	Re: Fabius' Politico-Religious Views Rebuttal!
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:13:50 EDT

In a message dated 10/8/99 11:13:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> writes:
<< I therefore ask you again: do our gods (who have tolerated YHWH, his
devotees, and atheists, too, for a very long time now): do our gods love a a
good unbeliever less than a nominal or a bad believer? Surely, Quinte Fabi,
if the gods are good, must they not love all that is good? Does it befit us
to be jealous of the love of our gods?
As I have said before, your views, as I have interpreted them, speak to me
of discrimination, and discrimination in a society between members on
grounds of race or religion, is a prerequisite of persecution.>>

Salve Nicolaus Moravius Vado!
I thought I answered the question. No! NR law guarantees citizens religious
freedom and as a magistrate I have taken an oath to preserve that! I
apologize if I was exact. No, I was striving to point out the basic
difference between Marcus Minucius Audens and myself. I follow the Religio
and receive special favor from Fortuna. That's all. Audens respects our
gods, but I find his bridge analogy confusing. As for non Religio members
assuming office, the Founders have already allowed that, so who am I to
question the Founders?
Let's face it Nicolaus Moravius, there is little difference between the two
of us.
I was attempting, poorly it seems, to point our basic differences. One is
the Religio.
I'm practitioner, he is a honorer. Which according to our constitution that
is all needed to hold office. Two commitment. I never quit NR, even when F.
Claudia advised me to resign, because I was about to be proscribed. I
didn't. In fact I stayed online all 9 hours during the crisis, running the
Backalley list with Iunia, in order to keep the few subscribers informed on
what was going on. I didn't leave even when Gangalius suggested that we
found a second NR like many others did. I didn't leave when Marcus Cassius
suggested that NR abandon politics. I didn't leave when Vedius became
dictator like many more did. No, I stood by NR though good times and bad
times. Marcus Minucius Audens did not. And that's the basic difference
between us.
Why are you acting as his hatchet man? How have I wronged you?
Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus

.
>>

Subject:	Re: Taxes / Dues -- Whatever they are called
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:58:41 EDT

In a message dated 10/8/99 2:53:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< Salve...well just let me tell you about myself, since you are new...to Nova
Roma...about 6-8 months ago...I was Senior Partner to 4 businesses....at the
time..during the old government I tried to get 3 out of the 4 businesses on
the Marcellum...The businesses were: Computer hardware/Software, Web, and
an adult business that I had. I was rejected. And, told...politely that my
business had not much in common with ancient Rome....

Cassius:
Yes, it's true. I was the one that had to refuse your applications, in fact!
The point of the Macellum is of course to help raise funds for Nova Roma, but
also to help build a strong Roman oriented economy. Sure, we could let folks
in selling Amway, or any of a number of multi-level marketing schemes, or
adult toys, or some Citizen's stereo and computer business... but it wouldn't
at all help build interest in things that are Roman, nor would there be any
incentive to *develop* any sort of business along Roman lines.

I highly recommend checking out some of the publications put out by other
historical focused groups, such as Civil War enthusiasts, etc. There are
*hundreds* of small businesses catering to such folks. Historical stuff
becomes big business when a market is encouraged! We have every opportunity
to grow into the same sort of endeavor, and the way to do that is NOT to be
selling televisions in the Macellum.

Sulla:
>well Q. Fabius and I
were at a the time working on finding a way to make the adult business
appear more Roman...but in the end...I ended up resigning my part of the
business.

Cassius:
I hope you're not trying to say that it's Nova Roma's fault that you had to
give up the adult business, Lucius Cornelius. You had that business before
you even thought of the possibility of expanding into the Macellum. If you
left it it was because business wasn't good elsewhere, not because you were
refused here due to historical considerations.

Sulla:
And, while agree that we should include more businesses...in the
Marcellum...I also believe that we all are stakeholders in Nova Roma and we
all should be involved in the fiscal responsibility that makes up Nova
Roma. Even if it is 10.00 per year..(the price of a pizza).

Cassius:
We'll happily include any business that makes an effort to have Roman
content. Really, it's not too much to ask in order to maintain continuity on
the Nova Roma website. However I quite agree that folks to want rights here
should also be in favor of having some sort of responsibility. And again, no
matter what, any sort of taxation is still a possibility that's some time in
the future. There are indeed other things that must be done first before such
a project can be seriously considered.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Senator

Subject:	Re: Re: Taxes / Dues -- Whatever they are called
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@--------
Date:	Fri, 08 Oct 1999 14:26:02 -0700

> Sulla:
> >well Q. Fabius and I
> were at a the time working on finding a way to make the adult business
> appear more Roman...but in the end...I ended up resigning my part of the
> business.
>
> Cassius:
> I hope you're not trying to say that it's Nova Roma's fault that you had to
> give up the adult business, Lucius Cornelius. You had that business before
> you even thought of the possibility of expanding into the Macellum. If you
> left it it was because business wasn't good elsewhere, not because you were
> refused here due to historical considerations.

Sulla: Oh no...that is not what I meant to imply at all....the reason I resigned
was simply that between my job at Earthlink, my studying for the LSAT, and my
involvement with Helena Equitia Ovidia forced me, to my own benefit, to reevaluate
my life. Hence my resignation was tendered to my business partners. Since that
was done in August, I can say with honesty that I am completely glad that I am out
of it...I have much more freedom and much more fun now! :)

L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul

Subject:	Re: Re: Taxes / Dues -- Whatever they are called
From:	JSA varromurena@--------
Date:	Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:25:26 -0700 (PDT)

> Cassius:
> We'll happily include any business that makes an
> effort to have Roman
> content. Really, it's not too much to ask in order
> to maintain continuity on
> the Nova Roma website. However I quite agree that
> folks to want rights here
> should also be in favor of having some sort of
> responsibility. And again, no
> matter what, any sort of taxation is still a
> possibility that's some time in
> the future. There are indeed other things that must
> be done first before such
> a project can be seriously considered.
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
> Senator
>

Does anyone have any contacts with computer firms like
Sierra, which puts out "Caesar III" and "Pharoah", or
whatever firm puts out "Age of Empires" (or whatever
its called). Sounds like these would be ideal matches
for the Macellum with some sort of kickback (like I
said, even 1% is better than nothing).

L. Licinius Varro Murena

Subject:	Re: Re: Taxes / Dues -- Whatever they are called
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:26:56 -0500 (CDT)

I have to disagree and say that when we limit the amount of commerce
here including tv, radios or anything except some kind of multi-level
marketing scheme we limit ourselves to be just another historical
society with pagan leanings. In real life of any nation or in ancient
Rome all sorts of commerce takes/took place on a daily basis. The idea
here is to generate income legally and provide benefits to citizens who
are in business. There could be a section only for Roman businesses but
I think that to believe lots of citizens at any time will start up a
business solely because they belong to Nova Roma is unlikely to be
widespread at any time. There is also no law here banning ANY businesses
from operating currently so I think we are wide open from a legal
standpoint internally.

How do other citizens feel about this/ stand?

Gaius Drusus Domitianus

Subject:	Re: Re: Taxes / Dues -- Whatever they are called
From:	JSA varromurena@--------
Date:	Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:33:46 -0700 (PDT)

Obviously, if there are citizens willing to operate
from the NR website and willing to kickback a bit of
their profits to NR, why aren't we taking advantage of
this? Besides, what exactly is a "Roman" business?
Only selling antiquities? Selling mugs and tshirts
with cutesy Latin phrases? Why not, at the earliest
stages, encourage NR citizens to link their businesses
to the website and thus encourage NR citizens to "Buy
Nova Roman"? I understand Cassius' concerns, but
shouldn't NR also be encouraging business between its
citizens (which in turn would create a sense of
community), even if that business has nothing to do
with "Roman" concerns (as long as its not illegal or
against Roman Values?

L. Licinius Varro Murena

--- Dean Troy <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114056113185089095081021203102129208071" >dean6886@--------</a> --------e:
> I have to disagree and say that when we limit
> the amount of commerce
> here including tv, radios or anything except some
> kind of multi-level
> marketing scheme we limit ourselves to be just
> another historical
> society with pagan leanings. In real life of any
> nation or in ancient
> Rome all sorts of commerce takes/took place on a
> daily basis. The idea
> here is to generate income legally and provide
> benefits to citizens who
> are in business. There could be a section only for
> Roman businesses but
> I think that to believe lots of citizens at any time
> will start up a
> business solely because they belong to Nova Roma is
> unlikely to be
> widespread at any time. There is also no law here
> banning ANY businesses
> from operating currently so I think we are wide open
> from a legal
> standpoint internally.
>
> How do other citizens feel about this/ stand?
>
> Gaius Drusus Domitianus
>
>
<HR>

>

Subject:	Re:(Not Really) Taxes / Dues -- Whatever they are called
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Fri, 08 Oct 1999 17:53:55 -0700

Not Again!

Snipus Maximus coming up:

JSA wrote:

He

> appreciate[s] Ericius' suggestion about meeting in Vegas,
> but,
> L. Licinius Varro Murena

Weren't me! That was Q. Fabius.
[this is being written with a wry smile on my mug]
I am not Q. Fabius. I am not L. Equitius. Nor am I Gnaeus Aelius Rusticus,
Flavius Vedius, Audens, Varro, Vado, Gangalius, Hysterion, Fimbria, Aquilius
or Augustina Iulia Caesarea Nocturnia. =({[;-)
I want neither knocks nor laurels that are not my own. Though I must tell
you all that this has been going on my whole life. It is some snarled hunk
of karma that I've not yet figured out, except that it is so. LOL.

Bene valete.

C. Aelius Ericius.
[i think]

Subject:	Re: Fabius' Politico-Religious Views
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Fri, 08 Oct 1999 18:49:04 -0700

Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:

> [snipum] Q. Fabius has shown that
> he cares for the Nova Roma community, by authoring the dues legislation and
> being one of the persons who assisted in the New Constitution.

I do not think that I was the only one of the belief that Flavius Vedius Germanicus
authored the Model 1999 constitution by himself. If this assertion is accurate
than we'll have to spread the... well, you know. LOL.

Another thing... I've been holding off on this, hoping this strange thread would go
away...
I know that Fabius & Sulla are good friends. When I first saw Fabius using his
relgious difference from Audens as part of a campaign spiel, I wondered what Sulla
would think. I knew nothing Sulla said on this line could be taken as gospel truth
[please forgive the nazarene figure of speech] regarding his initial Feelings,
because Sulla is a political critter [trans.= beastie]; he will say what he think
will work best to achieve his ends. (IMHonestO)
Fabius said what he said about religion for the sake of hooking in votes. Fabius
certainly would not say Sulla should not be a magistrate. This thing could be ended
quickly something like this:

Fabius: Oops! Caught shooting from the lip again. Forget I said that.
Moravius: Gotcha! Fine by me.

Then on to the next mud hole for a different topic.

Remember: This isn't even the BIG election. [o-boy]

[Smile}

C. Aelius Ericius

Subject:	Fw: Lorica Segmentata
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@--------
Date:	Fri, 8 Oct 1999 21:50:18 -0400

Salvete!

I was hoping that one of our reenactor types could help this nice woman out. I think it's terrific that she's teaching her kids Roman history in a hands-on manner.

Vale,

Germanicus

----- Original Message -----
From: Jean Lamadeleine
To: <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=210071047007146116033082190" >i----------------</a>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 5:05 PM


I am interested in getting the plans necessary to build a lorica segmentata. I an a shop teacher, also qualified in history, and I would like to build an armor with my students and teach them a bit of roman history while they are working in the shop. If you could please tell me how it would be possible to acquire some plans I would be grateful. Thank you

Subject:	Re: Fabius' Politico-Religious Views
From:	"RCW" alexious@--------
Date:	Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:31:16 -0700

My comments below:
----- Original Message -----
From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Fabius' Politico-Religious Views


> From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
>
>
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:
>
> > [snipum] Q. Fabius has shown that
> > he cares for the Nova Roma community, by authoring the dues legislation
and
> > being one of the persons who assisted in the New Constitution.
>
> I do not think that I was the only one of the belief that Flavius Vedius
Germanicus
> authored the Model 1999 constitution by himself. If this assertion is
accurate
> than we'll have to spread the... well, you know. LOL.

Well...you know what Ericius?

> Another thing... I've been holding off on this, hoping this strange thread
would go
> away...
> I know that Fabius & Sulla are good friends. When I first saw Fabius
using his
> relgious difference from Audens as part of a campaign spiel, I wondered
what Sulla
> would think. I knew nothing Sulla said on this line could be taken as
gospel truth
> [please forgive the nazarene figure of speech] regarding his initial
Feelings,
> because Sulla is a political critter [trans.= beastie]; he will say what
he think
> will work best to achieve his ends. (IMHonestO)

Sulla: what exactly do you mean Ericius? I am Jewish not Xtian....there
are vast differences....between Jews and Xtians...I am sure you are aware of
the many differences....Besides in what aspect have I been dishonest or
lied? Not even during the Lurking incident in the Senate have I lied. So
just why are you saying nothing I say can be taken as truth? As for Q.
Fabius....he has his own thoughts on it...but because him and I are close
friends and I do want him to succed you accuse me of being dishonest to
achieve my own ends...what kind of dignitas do you have oh Ericius?

> Fabius said what he said about religion for the sake of hooking in votes.
Fabius
> certainly would not say Sulla should not be a magistrate. This thing
could be ended
> quickly something like this:

Sulla: No, Becuase unlike Audens I have taken an active interest in the
Religio. My first action when I was elected Consul was to bring Kyrene and
Cassius in communication for the Priestly training...and I have been
actively trying to help get candidates for Vestal....The most recent
candidate has e-mailed Cassius asking for instructions and the process of
getting accepted for that position. So in that light....of course Fabius
isnt going to say I am not worthy to be Consul....becuase I have proven, at
least in his mind...that I am not a threat to the religio and that I hold
the religio in high regard.

L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul

Subject:	Re: Re: Taxes / Dues -- Whatever they are called
From:	"jsimmons" jsimmons@--------
Date:	Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:05:49 -0700

>From: JSA <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=081166091180193192130061163101147165026048139046" >varromurena@--------</a>
>
Besides, what exactly is a "Roman" business?
>Only selling antiquities? Selling mugs and tshirts
>with cutesy Latin phrases? Why not, at the earliest
>stages, encourage NR citizens to link their businesses
>to the website and thus encourage NR citizens to "Buy
>Nova Roman"? I understand Cassius' concerns, but
>shouldn't NR also be encouraging business between its
>citizens (which in turn would create a sense of
>community), even if that business has nothing to do
>with "Roman" concerns (as long as its not illegal or
>against Roman Values?
>
>L. Licinius Varro Murena
>


It would seem that for "Roman" related businesses to emerge there would
first have to be a general interest in the "Roman" period. In the U.S.
there is currently a great deal of interest in the medieval, renaissance,
and Greek fantasy periods. This would be evidenced by the growth of
business (everything from tee-shirts to coffee mugs to jewelry and weapons
to television programs/movies). For "Roman" businesses to develop and
thrive there must be an equal interest in the "Roman" period. I do not
think that such an interest exists...*yet*. If, for example, NR were attach
itself to some popular period television programs, it would be able to
develop a potential commerce aspect to its community. I do believe,
however, that the citizens of NR have MUCH higher purposes in mind for the
community. In short, one must consider basic economics. Which is
weightier: NR principles or a strictly "Roman" income?

Porcia Cornelia Ciceri

Subject:	Re: Re: Taxes / Dues -- Whatever they are called
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:26:28 EDT

In a message dated 10/8/99 3:26:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=081166091180193192130061163101147165026048139046" >varromurena@--------</a> writes:

<< Does anyone have any contacts with computer firms like
Sierra, which puts out "Caesar III" and "Pharoah", or
whatever firm puts out "Age of Empires" (or whatever
its called). Sounds like these would be ideal matches
for the Macellum with some sort of kickback (like I
said, even 1% is better than nothing).

Salve L. Licinius Varro Murena.

Won't happen. These programs are sold under exclusive rights to software
stores.

We would never qualify.

Q Fabius

Subject:	Re: Mud what mud? was Fabius' Politico-Religious Views
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:41:17 EDT

In a message dated 10/8/99 6:51:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a> writ--------br> << Fabius said what he said about religion for the sake of hooking in votes.
>>
Didn't I say that earlier? Really, Caius Aelius you must pay better
attention!
You are becoming redundant. As for mud slinging where is it? I and Marcus
Mincius are running a clean campaign. I'm a pagan and he is a Christian who
honors our gods. I never resigned from NR and he did. I'm 30 something and
he's 60 something. All these things are true. Where's the mud? I even let
your comments about my lack of involvement in celebrate history slide by.
Now that's forbearance!
Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus.

Subject:	Re: Fw: Lorica Segmentata
From:	Alasdair Morgan Gunn amgunn@--------
Date:	Fri, 08 Oct 1999 22:47:14 -0700

Ave Germanicus!

Ihereby ask you to send this woman my personal contact info. I can provide
a set of lorica plans, plus those of a Roman style helmet.

In Amicus - Venator

Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:
> Salvete!
>
> I was hoping that one of our reenactor types could help this nice woman out. I think it's terrific that she's teaching her kids Roman history in a hands-on manner.
>
> Vale,
>
> Germanicus
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jean Lamadeleine
> To: <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=210071047007146116033082190" >i----------------</a> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 5:05 PM
>
> I am interested in getting the plans necessary to build a lorica segmentata. I an a shop teacher, also qualified in history, and I would like to build an armor with my students and teach them a bit of roman history while they are working in the shop. If you could please tell me how it would be possible to acquire some plans I would be grateful. Thank you

Subject:	the Recent Messages
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Fri, 08 Oct 1999 21:55:38 -0700

I have received replies to some of my messages which respond to not
what I said but what the various respondents are thinking. This makes
discussion impossible. If people wish to attack what they perceive to
be my views, whether they are the views I have expressed or not, I
will no longer deign to reply to their attacks.

To put it in plain English, I'll tell you once what I think. If you
want to take offense, I won't be drawn into arguments about what you
think I think.

Caius Aelius Ericius.

Subject:	Re: the Recent Messages
From:	"RCW" alexious@--------
Date:	Fri, 8 Oct 1999 22:06:06 -0700

Salve Ericius....

Both Fabius and I responded to messages you posted directly. If you would
like me to repost to you I would be more than happy to repost. :)

L. Cornelius Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
To: Nova Roma <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 9:55 PM
Subject: [novaroma] the Recent Messages


> From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
>
> I have received replies to some of my messages which respond to not
> what I said but what the various respondents are thinking. This makes
> discussion impossible. If people wish to attack what they perceive to
> be my views, whether they are the views I have expressed or not, I
> will no longer deign to reply to their attacks.
>
> To put it in plain English, I'll tell you once what I think. If you
> want to take offense, I won't be drawn into arguments about what you
> think I think.
>
> Caius Aelius Ericius.
>
> >

Subject:	Re: Re: Taxes / Dues -- Whatever they are called
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@--------
Date:	Fri, 08 Oct 1999 23:42:07 -0700

> From: JSA <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=081166091180193192130061163101147165026048139046" >varromurena@--------</a>
>
> I understand Cassius' concerns, but shouldn't NR also be encouraging
> business between its citizens (which in turn would create a sense of
> community), even if that business has nothing to do with "Roman" concerns
> (as long as its not illegal or
> against Roman Values?
>
> This is Helena Equitia on Sulla's e-mail (at the moment). I disagree.
> Business between citizens and the exchange of $$$ will, in some cases,
> cause a whole new set of problems and bickering.