| Subject: |
Lararium... |
| From: |
Mia Soderquist tuozin@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:15:59 -0500 |
|
I was looking at the current issue of The Eagle, and was thinking
that one could build most of a lararium from existing parts. For
the lower cabinet, a smallish armoire, which are sometimes
available in thrift shops, for the upper cabinet, one might use
another small existing cabinet with a facade built on. Perhaps a
wooden medicine cabinet. The temple facade can probably be made
of decorative accent pieces.
As far as the availability of statues, maybe what we need to do
is appeal to the larger Pagan community, in which there are
artists, maybe some of which who would not mind helping us out
with this for the right amount of cash.
--
Mia So--------uist (<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=189075253209082116015223190036129" >tuozin@--------</a>)
clank clank *crash* clank clank *crash*
(Two knights walk into a bar)
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| Subject: |
Foreign Travel |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:01:54 PST |
|
Salvete!
Consobrina mea Belgica wrote:
> It's a shame that the Europa/Britannia Nova Roma
> members are forgotten in these types of
> conversations. Is there anyone interested in a
> Nova Roman trip to Rome?
> Diana >>
Post haec respondit Cassius:
>Forgotten? No! It would be a wonderful thing if Nova Romans from various
>parts of the world could get together on an international basis. It's just
>not a subject that gets brought up much because the sad reality is that
>most
>of us can't afford the cost of such travel.
Respondeo:
- Ita. Rome would be comparatively expensive even for Brits. such as
Vado and Aletheia, the fabric of whose venerable but delapidated villa soaks
up like a sponge any amount of money we care to spend on it. Still, it's an
idea worth saving up for... and we're not down to replacing tegulae with
turves yet...
Iterum Cassius:
>Patricia Cassia and I are seriously thinking about making a trip to Britain
>this coming spring... Northumbria and London. <AMPUTATIO>
If we do get to Britain it'd be great if at least we could meet some of the
>Citizens we've come to know a little online! Perhaps plans can be made once
>details of the trip are finalized.
Respondeo: Euge! Aletheia and I are only a couple of hours' drive away from
Londinium, as are Aprica and a few others. It would be brilliant to meet up
there. Let us know when you're coming!
Valete bene,
Vado.
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| Subject: |
Re: Dim Anthems and Forgotten Memories |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:17:44 PST |
|
Dixit Diana Aventina:
>It must have been all of that BARBARIC "specially
>blessed Thorrshammer Ale" that you drank!
Dico:
What you have to remember, Cara, is that the Germani don't respect you
unless you match them pint for pint. It was a political necessity. One must
suffer for the good of the State, sometimes...
Vado.
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| Subject: |
Eagle Subscriptions |
| From: |
"Stefaan & Joanne" mercurius@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:02:30 +0100 |
|
Ummmm sorry, I think that I have missed a bit of this Eagle sub talk.
I sent in 10£ by registered mail to the english address for a sub (about 2
months ago but haven't received an Eagle).
Did I pay too little? Let me know.
Diana
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| Subject: |
Rome by bus... |
| From: |
"Stefaan & Joanne" mercurius@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:08:47 +0100 |
|
Hi Vado and everyone else!,
> - Ita. Rome would be comparatively expensive even for Brits. such as
> Vado and Aletheia, the fabric of whose venerable but delapidated villa
soaks
> up like a sponge any amount of money we care to spend on it. Still, it's
an
> idea worth saving up for... and we're not down to replacing tegulae with
> turves yet...
Actually, we have offseason bus trips from Belgium that cost about 300USD
for 9 days to Rome/Napoli including the hotel. That's not too bad. I could
afford it every year if I would only stop buying books! <sigh>
Groetjes!
Diana
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| Subject: |
Re: US Gatherings |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:06:42 -0500 (EST) |
|
Diana Aventina;
I think that you misunderstand the thrust of my message. I am currently
the Legate for the area (state) of Connecticut in the U.S., and it is
one of my tasks to organize get-together(s) within the province to which
I am appointed. In every message (which has gone out to all NR), I have
invited all NR members to the planned events here in New England. I
don't expect a great crowd of those members from overseas because of
expense and timing, as Cassius has mentioned, but you are certainly
welcome. The Roman Dinner meeting arranged in Britiain some months ago
was for all NR members, but I could not go to that activity because of
finance and timing (My wife is a travel supervisor and her vacations are
not taken in the summer as most other people), just as I could not
attend the Roman Re-enactment in Britain advertised internatioally, or
visit the Iron Gates along the Danube.
I have visited England several times, but before I was a member of Nova
Roma. We have been spending our vacations for the last two years in the
Mid=West of the U.S. We will probably resume our visits to Engand in
the next few years and I will look forward to meeting some of the
Britons in NR as well as renewing our aquaintance with several non-NR
friends there in Scotland and England as well.
I have visited Rome several times, and probably would not go again, as
my interests are more involved along the Danube and in the Adriatic.
When things line up for a trip there, then you may be sure that I will
invite all Nova Romans to visit us in the cities where we will be
staying.
Your desire that someone set up a meeting in England, Germany, Italy,
Portugal, Russia, Australia, or any other country should be moderated by
where, when, who and how. the why, I would sppose would be
self-evident. It would be somewhat difficult and also forward to make
an arrangement in any country for a get-together without the input from
that country's NR membership as to what town / city, where to meet,
where to sleep, where to eat, and what kind of a program that you
propose. I'm sure that my idea of a trip to Scotland along the Antonine
Wall would not be your first choice! What facilities should be visited,
what local sites should be reviewed, etc. If you would like to think
about a get-together in London, Rome, etc. may I respectfully suggest
that you select a date which is satisfactory to the majority of those
who you wish to come, at least 2-3 years before you want to see them, a
hotel / motel / bed and breakfast, etc. that is reasonable in cost, but
very nice to stay in, and a place where the meals will be undertaken,
that is reasonable in price, and of guaranteed good quality. Plan a
brief program outline and at least one visit to a facility or site
nearby of interest to the majority of the expected guests. When that is
finished, put it out to NR for their consideration and be prepared to
change any part or all of it to accomodate the expected guest's plans.
So far the few face-to-face meetings that NR has had have been oriented
along those basic lines. The effort for this coming DEC has all of those
attributes. It probably is what will be necessary for an international
face-to face unless the participants are very wealthy and have ther time
free to visit as they wish. No planned meeting, particularly an
international one can be projected without those considerations. When I
am appraised of those ideas by someone desiring to organize such a
meeting you may count upon my full support, as I am able.
Meanwhile, as I have said before, all Nova-Romans British, European,
Austraian or South American or anywhere else for that matter, are most
warmly welcome to attend the activity in Uxbridge, Mass.--USA--on the
11-12 of December at the Quaker Motel (you should have all recieved
directions and contact information). I further pledge to all overseas
Nova Romans who attend that get-together, that I will undertake to make
arrangements in your country for a get-together wthin a three year
period of that meeting, as you desire.
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Contact |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:37:07 -0500 (EST) |
|
Would the following persons please contact me by E-Mail??
--Gaius Imperius (Martin Zegunia);
--Justinia Cassia (Darcie L. Callahan).
Thank You.
Respectfully;
Marcus Mnucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Russian National Anthem |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:17:00 -0500 (EST) |
|
Marcus Arcadius Pius;
You aren't going to make this American upset! The Russian culture and
music is very interesting and can be quite stirring. I don't care much
for their politics in this century, but I certainly understand what
caused the Revolution and find much the same reasoning for that action
as the reasoning for a similar action in my country. From all I can
determine they (the Russians) had a far greater reason to revolt than
the British North-American Colonies. Being an amateur historian and an
Anglophile, I have a slightly different slant on my country's history
than the average American, but I can usually make my point.
What is the name of the Russian National Anthem of which you speak? I
really like "Waltzing Matilda" because it seems to, as another Nova
Roman said, grasp the personal difference between the Aussies and other
English speaking nations. The recent stories about Ausrtraila that are
being shown here in the U.S. (Man from Snowy River) and some of the
military movies featuring Australian efforts in the First World War, are
beginning to shed more light on the folks "down under" .together with
novels like the "Thornbirds" and recent discussons of the extesive
Australian Outback, and the Great Barrier Reef, as well as the
Swamplands of the NorthCentral Australia. The "Alps' of New Zealand are
tremendously beautiful. I have several friends who have visited
Australia for extensive vacation periods (3-6 months) and they report
that they never met a man or woman they didn't like. My only visit to
Australia was on an American Submarine some years ago. We were there
(Sydney) for several days, and the liberty was great!!! It beat the
hell out of Japan, Hong Kong or the Phillapines!!
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
|
| Subject: |
Flag HELP! |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:41:39 EST |
|
Salvete,
Nova Roma is in the process of producing 50 real flags, which will be offered
*soon* for $12.95 each in the Macellum section of the website.
A first flag has been produced, and can be seen at:
<a href="http://members.aol.com/Cassius622/NRFlag1.jpg" target="_top" >http://members.aol.com/Cassius622/NRFlag1.jpg</a>
The flags are red nylon with gold lettering, and are 17" long, 11" tall. They
have a white attachment piece on the left hand side with two grommets so that
they can be hung on a flagpole. These flags are definitely for outdoor use,
although they make a neat wall hanging as well.
Um, but there's one small difficulty.
The silkscreen folks planned to print the flag on both sides, figuring the
image wouldn't bleed through from one side to the other. It does. If the
flags are printed two sided, the "SPQR" in the NR symbol doesn't match up
from one side to the other. To be readable the letters have to go in
different directions on each side. If the flag has any kind of light behind
it the mismatched letters *do* show through.
So... I'm hoping you folks will "vote" on what to do with the flags. We have
three options:
1. Print the flags on both sides, even if the two images don't match up.
2. Print the flags on one side only. If the flag is used as a wall hanging,
it will be perfect, if flown as a flag one side would simply have a bold
"shadow" for the NR symbol on the reverse.
3. Turn the flags vertical rather than horizontal, and print the NR logo on
one side. That would turn the flags into Banners... the sort of thing that
would be hung off a Roman Legion standard.
Any other ideas would be welcome as well. Several folks have expressed
interest in NR flags, and providing the best quality possible is important.
It IS possible to produce some flags one way and some another, so if we get
say, fifteen votes for banners instead of flags it's possible to satisfy
everyone.
My personal recommendation would be to go with a one sided flag to put up as
a wall hanging. If you'd like to actually fly the flag a two-sided flag will
work... the bleed through isn't visible past three feet away.
Anyway, if you're even remotely interested in having a NR flag, please let me
know what you'd prefer. If these flages sell Nova Roma should be able to
offer flags on a regular basis. No matter what these things ARE cute! Please
Email me personally or post to the list with your opinion on how to produce
these things. Thanks! :)
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Flag HELP! |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:39:54 -0800 |
|
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; wrote:
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------;
>
> Salvete,
>
> Nova Roma is in the process of producing 50 real flags, which will be offered
> *soon* for $12.95 each in the Macellum section of the website.
>
> A first flag has been produced, and can be seen at:
>
> <a href="http://members.aol.com/Cassius622/NRFlag1.jpg" target="_top" >http://members.aol.com/Cassius622/NRFlag1.jpg</a>
>
> The flags are red nylon with gold lettering, and are 17" long, 11" tall. They
> have a white attachment piece on the left hand side with two grommets so that
> they can be hung on a flagpole. These flags are definitely for outdoor use,
> although they make a neat wall hanging as well.
>
> Um, but there's one small difficulty.
>
> The silkscreen folks planned to print the flag on both sides, figuring the
> image wouldn't bleed through from one side to the other. It does. If the
> flags are printed two sided, the "SPQR" in the NR symbol doesn't match up
> from one side to the other. To be readable the letters have to go in
> different directions on each side. If the flag has any kind of light behind
> it the mismatched letters *do* show through.
>
> So... I'm hoping you folks will "vote" on what to do with the flags. We have
> three options:
>
> 1. Print the flags on both sides, even if the two images don't match up.
>
> 2. Print the flags on one side only. If the flag is used as a wall hanging,
> it will be perfect, if flown as a flag one side would simply have a bold
> "shadow" for the NR symbol on the reverse.
>
> 3. Turn the flags vertical rather than horizontal, and print the NR logo on
> one side. That would turn the flags into Banners... the sort of thing that
> would be hung off a Roman Legion standard.
>
Sulla: I prefer this one... :) I think it will look great!
L. Cornelius Sulla
|
| Subject: |
Re: Flag HELP! |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:14:47 -0500 (EST) |
|
Cassius:
I believe that I prefer the option #3. The banner idea sounds pretty
good.
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
|
| Subject: |
Re: Flag HELP! |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:27:34 EST |
|
I'm giving two votes!
1. Print the flag with the log on only one side
2. Print the flag vertical as a banner
--Dexippus
(yes...I want a flag)
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| Subject: |
ATTN:--Claudia Aprica--Eagle Subscriptions |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:29:12 -0500 (EST) |
|
Diana (Stefaan and Joanne);
In regard to the European subscriptions to the Eagle, Claudia Aprica
takes care of that arrangement and lets me know how many copies to send
her. She has been out of the country for some time with her studies,
and I have a E-Mail message in to her to check with the number of copies
I need to send her. I'm not sure of the exchange rate, but she will be
able to tell us. I have not been notified to change the number of
copies in the last few months, but then I do not know which European
subscriptions have lapsed during that period either. As soon as I hear
from her I will let you know what the deal is.
Marcus Minucius Audens
Editor, Eagle
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Nova Roma National Anthem [gettin' silly] |
| From: |
Ira Adams iadams@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:34:37 -0600 |
|
Salve,
Right, who needs a national anthem about a sheep-rustling hobo? Still, I
think it beats "AAF."
I agree about the USSR hymn -- lovely music, but the lyrics were the
usual chauvinist hyperbole, all about the Great Mother Russia. Maybe we
could have some non-chauvinist, non-hyperbolic lyrics for Nova Roma?
Vale,
L. Sergius Aust.
On 11/23/99 10:34 AM danat (<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=114166234237175135184082190036" >danat@--------</a>) wrot--------r>
>From: "danat" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=114166234237175135184082190036" >danat@--------</a>
>
>Salve,
>
>As a Australian I have to day that I really do not like Waltzing Matilda's
>tune or Advance Australia Fair.
>
>Personally (this is probably not going to be popular with some American
>citizens!!) I always thought that the old Soviet Union anthem was very
>stirring music. With some Roman words it could be another suggestion.
>
>Vale,
>
>Marcus Arcadius Pius
|
| Subject: |
Re: Russian National Anthem |
| From: |
Ira Adams iadams@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:34:39 -0600 |
|
Salve Marcus Minucius,
If I may intrude, I think he was referring to the Soviet national anthem
-- not the Russian one. The Soviet anthen was entitled "Hymn of the
USSR." The current anthem of the Russian Federation or whatever they call
it these days is a comical-sounding little ditty that's hard to take
seriously (so it probably suits Russia very well). If I can find it, I
can give you an URL for both of them.
Vale,
L. Sergius Aust.
On 11/23/99 2:17 PM James Mathe--------<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a>) --------e:
>From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/font>
>
>Marcus Arcadius Pius;
>
>You aren't going to make this American upset! The Russian culture and
>music is very interesting and can be quite stirring. I don't care much
>for their politics in this century, but I certainly understand what
>caused the Revolution and find much the same reasoning for that action
>as the reasoning for a similar action in my country. From all I can
>determine they (the Russians) had a far greater reason to revolt than
>the British North-American Colonies. Being an amateur historian and an
>Anglophile, I have a slightly different slant on my country's history
>than the average American, but I can usually make my point.
>
>What is the name of the Russian National Anthem of which you speak? I
>really like "Waltzing Matilda" because it seems to, as another Nova
>Roman said, grasp the personal difference between the Aussies and other
>English speaking nations. The recent stories about Ausrtraila that are
>being shown here in the U.S. (Man from Snowy River) and some of the
>military movies featuring Australian efforts in the First World War, are
>beginning to shed more light on the folks "down under" .together with
>novels like the "Thornbirds" and recent discussons of the extesive
>Australian Outback, and the Great Barrier Reef, as well as the
>Swamplands of the NorthCentral Australia. The "Alps' of New Zealand are
>tremendously beautiful. I have several friends who have visited
>Australia for extensive vacation periods (3-6 months) and they report
>that they never met a man or woman they didn't like. My only visit to
>Australia was on an American Submarine some years ago. We were there
>(Sydney) for several days, and the liberty was great!!! It beat the
>hell out of Japan, Hong Kong or the Phillapines!!
>
>Marcus Minucius Audens
|
| Subject: |
Re: Russian National Anthem |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:30:44 -0500 (EST) |
|
L. Serg. Aust.
You may certainly intrude, as you usually bring excellent information
into any discussion. I thank you for the thought of the URLs and would
welcome any effort that you care to make in that regard.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
|
| Subject: |
Re: Flag HELP! |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:06:11 EST |
|
In a message dated 11/23/99 12:42:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; writes:
<< 3. Turn the flags vertical rather than horizontal, and print the NR logo
on
one side. That would turn the flags into Banners... the sort of thing that
would be hung off a Roman Legion standard.
>>
Salvete!
Since Rome didn't have flags that had a fly, (their barbarian neighbors may
have had we still aren't sure) this would be the correct way for a Roman to
display a vexillum. Best as we can tell the Anglo Saxons may have introduced
flags i.e. attached on the pole by a side and allowed to flap free. Perhaps
this was inspired by the Thracian and Dacian type windsock dragons. Again we
are not sure.
Both the Greeks and Romans used standards that were attached by a crosspole
to the pole. The advantages of this is you can make out the device painted
on the cloth no matter what the weather condition. Interesting fact is the
Catholics still use standards or vexillums in their ceremonies & services,
completing the 1,940 year old link with the empire.
FYI A banner is a flag which is 4 times longer then it is wide.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus (the gimp)
|
| Subject: |
Re: Flag HELP! |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:13:46 EST |
|
Salve,
Thanks for the info, Q. Fabius! It rather makes me wonder if the official
Nova Roma flag ought to be a vexillum rather than a modern flag. (Or perhaps
we should use both!)
Since you seem to have thoughts on this... if a true banner would be four
times longer than the width, how 'bout a vexillum? Should I bother trying to
print these 11x17" flags vertically in the vexillum manner?
Vale,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
In --------ss--------d-------- 11/23/99 6:06:34 PM E--------rn St--------rd Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
writes:
<< Since Rome didn't have flags that had a fly, (their barbarian neighbors
may
have had we still aren't sure) this would be the correct way for a Roman to
display a vexillum. Best as we can tell the Anglo Saxons may have
introduced
flags i.e. attached on the pole by a side and allowed to flap free. Perhaps
this was inspired by the Thracian and Dacian type windsock dragons. Again
we
are not sure.
Both the Greeks and Romans used standards that were attached by a crosspole
to the pole. The advantages of this is you can make out the device painted
on the cloth no matter what the weather condition. Interesting fact is the
Catholics still use standards or vexillums in their ceremonies & services,
completing the 1,940 year old link with the empire.
FYI A banner is a flag which is 4 times longer then it is wide.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus (the gimp)
|
| Subject: |
RE: Flag HELP! |
| From: |
"Gary E. McGrath" garymac@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:16:30 -0500 |
|
-----Original Message-----
From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; [m--------o:<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------;]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 3:42 PM
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Subject: [novaroma] Flag HELP!
The vertical sounds good to me
(information on how to get a flag would be GREAT too):)
Marcus Iunius Iulianus
3. Turn the flags vertical rather than horizontal, and print the NR logo on
one side. the sort of thing that
would be hung off a Roman Legion standard.
|
| Subject: |
Re: Flag HELP! |
| From: |
Marius Fimbria legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:38:09 -0600 (CST) |
|
Salvete omnes!
> Thanks for the info, Q. Fabius! It rather makes me wonder if the
> official Nova Roma flag ought to be a vexillum rather than a modern
> flag.
:::nods vigorously!:::
> Since you seem to have thoughts on this... if a true banner would be
> four times longer than the width, how 'bout a vexillum? Should I
> bother trying to print these 11x17" flags vertically in the vexillum
> manner?
Dunno what Fabi's thoughts are on the subject, but the surviving
vexilla with which I am familiar (and depictions of others) are
invariably square; some monuments show them with a fringe on the
bottom, and sometimes separate 'tassels' on either end of the
cross-bar. The cross-bar is mounted on a spear, sometimes with an
ornate head (the 'beneficiarius lance' carried by Legionaries on
special detachment). The design could be hand-painted or embroidered
on; I think silk-screening is a good modern alternative to
hand-painting, and we could (maybe later) offer embroidered ones for a
higher price...
Hope this helps!
Yours under the Eagles,
************************************************************
Lucius Marius Fimbria |>[SPQR]<|
mka Märia Villarroel |\=/|
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Roman Historical Re-Creationist `\*/, `` }`^~`,,, \ \
and Citizen of Nova Roma ``=.\ (__==\_ /\ }
'Just a-hangin' around the Universe, | | / )\ \| /
bein' a Roman... It's hard work, _|_| / _/_| /`(
but SOMEbody's gotta do it!!' /./..=' /./..'
(wants a vexillum BAD, and knows where to get an Eagle, too!)
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Nova Roma National Anthem [gettin' silly] |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:43:25 -0800 |
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Salvete.
You have to love the way things go...
M. Arcadius Pius (a.k.a. danat) wrote:
> Personally (this is probably not going to be popular with some American
> citizens!!) I always thought that the old Soviet Union anthem was very
> stirring music. With some Roman words it could be another suggestion.
I kept thinking of "the Soviet Hymn", but even I shied away from suggestingit
for fear of upsetting the European Nova Romans. There is still the point to
be made that it has already been used.
Ericius.
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| Subject: |
Re: Flag HELP! |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:31:58 -0800 |
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Some thoughts, interspersed below:
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> Nova Roma is in the process of producing 50 real flags, which will be offered
> *soon* for $12.95 each in the Macellum section of the website.
>
> A first flag has been produced, and can be seen at:
>
> <a href="http://members.aol.com/Cassius622/NRFlag1.jpg" target="_top" >http://members.aol.com/Cassius622/NRFlag1.jpg</a>
The logo looks to be above the left to right centering line. Even after
compensatingfor a bit of the top edge being cut off in the picture. It looks as
though the silk screening
was a bit off. If this is how the company in question will do it then this is
one point for
going with a "banner" type flag.
> The flags are red nylon with gold lettering, and are 17" long, 11" tall. They
> have a white attachment piece on the left hand side with two grommets so that
> they can be hung on a flagpole. These flags are definitely for outdoor use,
> although they make a neat wall hanging as well.
I like the idea of them being able to take real flag wear and tear.
> Um, but there's one small difficulty.
>
> The silkscreen folks planned to print the flag on both sides, figuring the
> image wouldn't bleed through from one side to the other. It does. If the
> flags are printed two sided, the "SPQR" in the NR symbol doesn't match up
> from one side to the other. To be readable the letters have to go in
> different directions on each side. If the flag has any kind of light behind
> it the mismatched letters *do* show through.
This is a common pit fall with writing on flags. Many printed flags that one
sees are actually one sided.The California state flag, has the words "California
Republic" on it. On all but the most expensive flags
it is bacwards when seen from "the other" side. If the flag had an eagle on it
the eagle would be looking
to the right on one side and the left on the other. Of course it would always be
looking at the same edge
of the flag. This is neither here nor there other than as a discussion about
flags in general and that many
flags that are out there are just accepted as being one sided so far as reading
the inscription is concerned.
Such flags are made so that printing on one side shows very clearly through to
the other side, it is not just
a shadow.
> So... I'm hoping you folks will "vote" on what to do with the flags. We have
> three options:
> 1. Print the flags on both sides, even if the two images don't match up.
What is the print medium like? Is it stiff? Almost rubber like? Or is it the
soft high gradesilk screening like the old Nova Roma tee-shirts?
If it is the latter, soft "print", then it would be, almost, simply a preference
call.
The "almost" depends on the manufacturer being able to get teh wreath part
to match up on both sides. This can be considered a picayune point, but I am
thinking of something of the high quality that we want Nova Roma itself to be.
Such a small thing can be annoying if you are looking at it every day. I know.
;-)
If there is a difficulty with the manufacturer being able to hit the tricky high
end of
the quality control then this could be a second reason for doing a one sided
"banner".
A Roman style "vexillia".
> 2. Print the flags on one side only. If the flag is used as a wall hanging,
> it will be perfect, if flown as a flag one side would simply have a bold
> "shadow" for the NR symbol on the reverse.
Please refer to the above.
> 3. Turn the flags vertical rather than horizontal, and print the NR logo on
> one side. That would turn the flags into Banners... the sort of thing that
> would be hung off a Roman Legion standard.
The Roman style standard might be the easiest way to go at present.I would love
to see a Nova Roma flag flying from some boat, or over
someone's house, the Standard/vexillia would really be able. The cross bar gets
in the way ;-).
But that can come later if it is decided not to go with an outdoor "flag".
> Any other ideas would be welcome as well. Several folks have expressed
> interest in NR flags, and providing the best quality possible is important.
I'll add my voice to this point.
> It IS possible to produce some flags one way and some another, so if we get
> say, fifteen votes for banners instead of flags it's possible to satisfy
> everyone.
>
> My personal recommendation would be to go with a one sided flag to put up as
> a wall hanging. If you'd like to actually fly the flag a two-sided flag will
> work... the bleed through isn't visible past three feet away.
>
> Anyway, if you're even remotely interested in having a NR flag, please let me
> know what you'd prefer. If these flages sell Nova Roma should be able to
> offer flags on a regular basis. No matter what these things ARE cute! Please
> Email me personally or post to the list with your opinion on how to produce
> these things. Thanks! :)
I decided to post these comments to the list for the sake of the discussion.There
are already a bunch of messages on the topic. BTW flags (vexillology) is one
of my numerous hobbies. I'm not an expert, but I have a collection of flags and
know
a little about the generalities of the subject.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius.
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| Subject: |
Re:Flag HELP! |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:06:36 EST |
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In a message dated 11/23/99 8:32:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a> writ--------br>
<<
Some thoughts, interspersed below:
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; wrote:
> <a href="http://members.aol.com/Cassius622/NRFlag1.jpg" target="_top" >http://members.aol.com/Cassius622/NRFlag1.jpg</a>
Ericius:
The logo looks to be above the left to right centering line. Even after
compensatingfor a bit of the top edge being cut off in the picture. It
looks as
though the silk screening
was a bit off. If this is how the company in question will do it then this
is
one point for going with a "banner" type flag.
Cassius:
This one flag *was* in fact printed with the symbol a little too high. It's
an easy thing to correct for the rest of the flags however. These folks are
literally next door to our copy center... I can walk right into their shop
and oversee production if need be! ;) It's definitely possible to have the
symbol positioned correctly whether they're produced as modern flags or as a
type of Roman vexillium.
Cassius:
> The flags are red nylon with gold lettering, and are 17" long, 11" tall.
They
> have a white attachment piece on the left hand side with two grommets so
that
> they can be hung on a flagpole. These flags are definitely for outdoor use,
> although they make a neat wall hanging as well.
Ericius:
I like the idea of them being able to take real flag wear and tear.
Cassius:
That was definitely a consideration. The material going into these is
definitely outdoor strength.
Cassius:
> The silkscreen folks planned to print the flag on both sides, figuring the
> image wouldn't bleed through from one side to the other. It does. If the
> flags are printed two sided, the "SPQR" in the NR symbol doesn't match up
> from one side to the other. To be readable the letters have to go in
> different directions on each side. If the flag has any kind of light behind
> it the mismatched letters *do* show through.
Ericius:
This is a common pit fall with writing on flags. Many printed flags that one
sees are actually one sided.The California state flag, has the words
"California
Republic" on it. On all but the most expensive flags
it is bacwards when seen from "the other" side. If the flag had an eagle on
it
the eagle would be looking
to the right on one side and the left on the other. Of course it would
always be
looking at the same edge
of the flag. This is neither here nor there other than as a discussion about
flags in general and that many
flags that are out there are just accepted as being one sided so far as
reading
the inscription is concerned.
Such flags are made so that printing on one side shows very clearly through
to
the other side, it is not just
a shadow.
Cassius:
If the flags are printed double sided you can't see the reverse image from
the second from more than three feet away. However, if you're up close it's
visible. I wouldn't recommend two-sided printing for anyone who would want
to use the flag as an indoor wall hanging.
Cassius:
> So... I'm hoping you folks will "vote" on what to do with the flags. We
have
> three options:
> 1. Print the flags on both sides, even if the two images don't match up.
Ericius:
What is the print medium like? Is it stiff? Almost rubber like? Or is it the
soft high gradesilk screening like the old Nova Roma tee-shirts?
If it is the latter, soft "print", then it would be, almost, simply a
preference
call.
Cassius:
It's about the same grade as the old Nova Roma T-shirts.
Ericius:
The "almost" depends on the manufacturer being able to get teh wreath part
to match up on both sides. This can be considered a picayune point, but I am
thinking of something of the high quality that we want Nova Roma itself to
be.
Such a small thing can be annoying if you are looking at it every day. I
know.
;-)
If there is a difficulty with the manufacturer being able to hit the tricky
high
end of
the quality control then this could be a second reason for doing a one sided
"banner".
A Roman style "vexillia".
Cassius:
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| Subject: |
Re: Flag HELP! |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:26:55 -0800 |
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Ave!
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
> Nova Roma is in the process of producing 50 real flags, which will be offered
> *soon* for $12.95 each in the Macellum section of the website.(etceteras)
I should like a banner. It would go next to me Asatru banner and the banner
of my SCA Coat of Arms.
In Amicus - Venator
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| Subject: |
ELECTION Announcement |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:54:34 -0500 (EST) |
|
Salvete Cives! The campaign season is upon us. As of this moment, you may
officially announce your candidacy for any of the various offices open
for the coming year. (listed below) There are many and all are important.
Nova Roma needs your time and effort in the next year. All of the
offices have one year terms except for the one open censor position (my
position, whose term ends next month), which has a two year term. The
other censor position, held by Flavius Vedius Germanicus, has one year
remaining.
All positions are a commitment that will require an investment of your
time but Nova Roma can only benefit by your participation if you are
willing to give her your time. It is the only way that Nova Roma can
continue to grow and thrive.
If you have never held an office and would like to, I would suggest
(it is a suggestion only, not a requirement) that you run for a minor
magistracy. Every position at every level is important and it it will help
Nova Roma by keeping her running from the ground up. If you currently hold
a magistracy, then consider moving up the cursus honorum and run for
another office. Nova Roma needs your experience. Serve if you can!
(There is currently no law enforcing the cursus honorum, these are only
suggestions, fully in keeping with Roman political tradition. We frankly
do not have enough people with experience to enforce the cursus honorum
yet.)
The open offices are listed below, followed by the length of the term and
which comitia elects the position. The Comitia Plebis Tributa will be
convened by a Tribune of the Plebs; the Comitia Centuriata and the
Comitia Populi Tributa will each be convened by a consul.
TO ANNOUNCE YOUR CANDIDACY, publicly state you are running for an office
here on the list or in the forum message board. You may announce your
candidacy up until November 30, 6 PM (1800) Roman time, 1200 EST. At that
point, NO MORE CANDIDACIES WILL BE ACCEPTED. You may begin campaigning
immediately after announcing your candidacy.
Open Positions, Number of positions; Terms, Comitiae:
1. Censor; 1 open position; Two year term, Comitia Centuriata.
2. Consul; Two open positions; 1 year term; Comitia Centuriata.
3. Praetor. Two open positions; 1 year term, Comitia Centuriata.
4. Aediles Curules (Curule Aedile); Two open positions; 1 year
term; elected by the comitia populi tributa.
5. Quaestor; 8 open positions; 1 year term; comitia populi tributa.
(The number of quaestors is equal to the number of consuls,
praetors, and aediles)
The Following two offices are plebeian magistrates and can only be voted
on by plebeians:
6. Tribune of the Plebs. Two open positions; 1 year term; comitia plebis
tributa.
7. Aediles plebis (Plebeian Aedile); Two open positions; 1 year
term; comitia plebis tributa.
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Vigintisexviri (The Twenty-Six). Collectively, the Twenty-Six
are minor magistrates elected to fulfill those necessary
functions as shall be assigned to them by law enacted by one
of the comitia. ALL are elected in the
*Comitia Populi Tributa and have 1 year terms of office.*
While these positions are considered minor magistrates and are not
historical, they were created to aid us communicate in the modern world
and are considered vital to the functioning of Nova Roma.
8. Curator Araneum. 1 position. The curator araneum (overseer of the web)
shall be responsible for the design, expansion, and maintenance of the
official web site(s) sponsored by the State.
9. Curator Sermo. 1 position. The curator sermo (overseer of the
conversation) shall be responsible for the maintenance and moderation of
the official email discussion list(s) sponsored by the State.
10. Curator Differum. 1 position. The curator differum (overseer of the
news) shall be responsible for the production, publication, and
distribution of the official publications sponsored by the State.
11. Rogatores. Two rogatores (voting officials) shall be responsible for
the administration of elections and the recording of votes among the
curia.
Good luck and good campaigning! Nova Roma needs you!
Valete,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul of Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
Office descriptions |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:02:49 -0500 (EST) |
|
Salvete,
The following are the full descriptions of each office as laid out in
the Constitution and Nova Roman law:
1. Censor. Two censors shall be elected by the comitia centuriata to
serve a term lasting two years, to be elected in alternate
years so as to have a one-year overlap of terms. They shall have the
following honors, powers, and obligations:
a. To issue those edicta (edicts) necessary to carry out
those tasks in which they are mandated by this Constitution and the law to
engage (such edicts being binding upon
themselves as well as others);
b. To maintain the album civium (list of citizens),
including
the tribe and century to which they are assigned as
described by law, and other appropriate information
regarding them;
c. To maintain the album gentium (list of gentes) and
appropriate information regarding them;
d. To maintain the album senatorium (list of Senators),
including the power to add and remove names on that list
according to qualifications set by law;
e. To maintain the album equestris (lists of members of the
equestrian order), including the power to add and remove
names on that list;
f. To safeguard the public morality and honor through the
collegial administering of nota;
1. A nota against an ordinary individual is sufficient
to deprive that individual of the right to vote until
such time as it is removed;
2. A nota against a member of the Senate is sufficient
to remove that individual from the Senate until such
time as it is removed.
g. To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative
and other tasks, as he shall see fit.
2. Consul. Two consuls shall be elected annually by the comitia
centuriata to serve a term lasting one year. They shall have
the following honors, powers, and obligations:
a. To hold Imperium and have the honor of being preceeded by
twelve lictors;
b. To issue those edicta (edicts) necessary to engage in
those tasks which advance the mission and function of Nova
Roma
(such edicts being binding upon themselves as well as
others);
c. To call the Senate, the comitia centuriata, and the
comitia
populi tributa to order;
d. To pronounce intercessio (intercession; a veto) against
another consul or magistrate of lesser authority;
e. To appoint accensi (personal assistants) to assist with
administrative and other tasks, as he shall see fit.
3. Praetor. Two praetors shall be elected by the Comitia
Centuriata
to serve a term lasting one year. They shall have the
following
honors, powers, and obligations:
a. To hold Imperium and have the honor of being preceeded by
six lictors;
b. To issue those edicta (edicts) necessary to engage in
those
tasks which advance the mission and function of Nova Roma
and to administer the law (such edicts being binding upon
themselves as well as others);
c. To call the Senate, the comitia centuriata, and the
comitia
populi tributa to order when the Consuls are unavailable;
d. To pronounce intercessio against another praetor or
magistrate of lesser authority;
e. To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative
and other tasks, as he shall see fit.
4. Aediles Curules (Curule Aedile). Two curule aediles shall be
elected by the comitia populi tributa to serve a term lasting
one-year. They shall have the following honors, powers, and
obligations:
a. To hold Imperium;
b. To issue those edicta (edicts) necessary to see to the
conduct of public games and other festivals and
gatherings,
to ensure order at public religious events, to see to the
maintenance of any real public facilities that the State
should acquire, and to administer the law (such edicts
being
binding upon themselves as well as others);
c. To pronounce intercessio against another aedile (curule
or
plebeian) or magistrate of lesser authority;
d. To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative
and other tasks, as he shall see fit.
5. Aediles plebis (Plebeian Aedile). Two plebeian aediles shall
be
elected by the comitia plebis tributa to serve a term lasting
one
year. They must both be of the plebeian order and shall have
the
following honors, powers, and obligations:
a. To issue those edicta (edicts) necessary to see to the
conduct of public games and other festivals and
gatherings,
to ensure order at public religious events, to see to the
maintenance of any real public facilities that the State
should acquire, and to administer the law (such edicts
being
binding upon themselves as well as others);
b. To pronounce intercessio against another plebeian aedile
or
magistrate of lesser authority;
c. To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative
and other tasks, as he shall see fit.
6. Quaestor. A number of quaestors shall be elected by the
comitia
populi tributa equal to the number of consuls, praetors, and
aediles to serve a term lasting one year. One quaestor shall
be assigned to each of these magistrates by mutual agreement or,
if
such cannot be made, by decision of the newly-elected consuls.
They shall have the power and obligation to administer those
funds that shall be allocated to them by the Senate in its
annual
budget under the supervision of that magistrate to whom they
are
assigned. Those quaestors assigned directly to the consuls
shall
supervise the whole of the aerarium (treasury), but no funds
may
be spent without the prior approval of the Senate.
7. Tribuni Plebis (Tribune of the Plebs). Two tribunes of the
plebs
shall be elected by the comitia plebis tributa to serve a term
lasting one year. They must both be of the plebeian order, and
shall have the following honors, powers, and obligations:
a. To collegially pronounce intercessio against the actions
of
any other magistrate (with the exception of the dictator
and
the interrex), Senatus consulta, and laws passed by the
comitia when they feel that the spirit and letter of this
Constitution are being violated thereby;
b. To be immune from intercessio pronounced by other
magistrates;
c. To be privy to the debates of the Senate, and keep the
citizens informed as to the content and progress thereof;
d. To call the Senate and the comitia plebis tributa to
order.
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8. Vigintisexviri (The Twenty-Six). Collectively, the Twenty-Six
shall be minor magistrates elected to fulfill those necessary
functions as shall be assigned to them by law enacted by one
of the comitia.
I. Curator Araneum. The curator araneum (overseer of the web) shall be
responsible for the design, expansion, and maintenance of the official
web
site(s) sponsored by the State. The curator araneum shall solicit input
from the other magistrates regarding content for the web site related to
their offices, if any, and shall have the authority to appoint his own
scribae, should he deem it necessary. Should the position be vacant, and
suitable and willing candidates are available, an election shall be held
within thirty days in the comitia populi tributa; otherwise the Senate
shall have the authority to appoint a curator araneum pro tem until such
an election can be held.
II. Curator Sermo. The curator sermo (overseer of the conversation)
shall be responsible for the maintenance and moderation of the official
email discussion list(s) sponsored by the State. The curator sermo shall
have the authority to appoint his own scribae, should he deem it
necessary. Should the position be vacant, and suitable and willing
candidates are available, an election shall be held within thirty days in
the comitia populi tributa;
otherwise the Senate shall have the authority to appoint a curator sermo
pro tem until such an election can be held.
III. Curator Differum. The curator differum (overseer of the news) shall
be responsible for the production, publication, and distribution of the
official publications sponsored by the State. The curator differum shall
have the authority to appoint his own scribae, should he deem it
necessary.
Should the position be vacant, and suitable and willing candidates are
available, an election shall be held within thirty days in the comitia
populi tributa; otherwise the Senate shall have the authority to appoint
a curator differum pro tem until such an election can be held.
IV. Rogatores. Two rogatores (voting officials) shall be responsible for
the administration of elections and the recording of votes among the
curia. The rogatores shall have the authority to appoint his own scribae,
should he deem it necessary. Should one or both positions be vacant, and
suitable and willing candidates are available, an election shall be held
within thirty days in the comitia populi tributa; otherwise the Senate
shall have
the authority to appoint rogatores pro tem until such an election can be
held. Inasmuch as they, by definition, are privy to the details of the
election process, the rogatores may not run for any office while they
serve in office (including running for rogatorus again).
Valete,
In Service to Rome,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul
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| Subject: |
Candidacy Announcement for Censor |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:44:19 -0800 |
|
Salvete Omnes
As listed by my Co-Consul, there is the office of Censor that is
available. I humbly announce my candidacy for that office. I feel that
I can devote the time, energy, and other resources to fulfill the
requirements of that position.
Since the beginning of Nova Roma, I have been honored to hold the office
of Quaestor, Praetor Urbanus and Consul. In short I have completed the
Cursus Honorum and I would like to cap off my political career in
perhaps the most important office in Nova Roma. That position, being
Censor.
I have the necessary programs that are required for the position.
Specifically, Microsoft Excel and Microsoft Access.
In short, I would like to continue offering my services to Nova Roma. I
have served Nova Roma in a variety of positions within and outside of
the Cursus Honorum, and I would like to continue serving Nova Roma in
this capacity.
Valete Omnes
L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul et Senator
Paterfamilias of the Gens Cornelia
Lictor
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