| Subject: |
Re: Re: Nova Roma National Anthem [gettin' silly] |
| From: |
"danat" danat@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:04:38 +1030 |
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Salve,
As a Australian I have to day that I really do not like Waltzing Matilda's
tune or Advance Australia Fair.
Personally (this is probably not going to be popular with some American
citizens!!) I always thought that the old Soviet Union anthem was very
stirring music. With some Roman words it could be another suggestion.
Vale,
Marcus Arcadius Pius
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| Subject: |
Candidacy Announcement |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:16:32 -0500 (EST) |
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Salvet, Magistrates and Citizens of Nova Roma;
With this message I announce my candidacy for the office of Consul of
Nova Roma. My candidacy is offered both humbly and with full knowledge
of the honor done me by the applications of those within Nova Roma who
have encouraged me to so participate.
Since it has only been a few weeks since I participated in an election
for the position of Praetor, I will not repeat here my considered
attributes for this office unless requested to do so, as they remain
essentially the same. However they are available upon simple request
for those of you who are new members to Nova Roma, or to those who wish
to refresh your memory. The platform of four basic policies on which I
offer my candidacy is as follows:
--Keep the Citizens of Nova Roma appraised of what is going on in the
government, what plans are being made, what ideas are being looked at,
and what possibilities are being considered. This I plan to do in a
series of monthly announcements, over and above the notice of the
Convened Senate deliberations;
--Work closely with the other Elected and Appointed Magistrates to
improve communications within Nova Roma, and to insure, the best
possible understanding between them in regard to both official and
unofficial considerations;
--To intercede for any Citizen, on any topic within NR, if they ask a
question and do not receive an answer. I pledge that I will refer your
question to the best source to answer that question, and will urge a
quick and accurate response;
--I pledge to study the laws of Nova Roma and develop the ability to
quickly determine the use and application of those laws to the daily
governing of this micro-nation, with the able efforts of my associate
magistrates;
To the above general items of my platform, I also add the following four
more specific items of my intended pursuit:
--I pledge to continue my efforts in hammering out the individual
aspects of Nova Roma's first budget, a task in which I have been engaged
as Praetor and Senator during these last weeks;
--I pledge to address the required corrections to the NR Website and
bring the Website up to date during this period of office;
--I pledge to continue the efforts of NR to address the needs of those
Citizens who do not have the English language, and to continue to seek
ways to further a closer standing with NR citizens separated from the
United States by boundaries, oceans. language, and / or culture.
--I pledge to address the completion of the turnover of the NR website
and Corporation to the elected officers of Nova Roma as required in the
coming year.
I now say to the Citizens of Nova Roma, that I am not a member of the
Religio Romano. I am a Christian. I do, however, hold the Gods of Rome
in great respect for the tremendous insight and dignius that so inspired
the gifts of literature, law, art, architecture and medicine and which
led to the basis of most of the preceeding benefits realized to this
day. I have taken the oath of Magistrate's Office twice before, as
Quaestor and as Praetor, with no fear that I cannot serve as a
Magistrate under that oath both sincerely and effectively.
In regard to my recent hospitalization, the reason for that was not
debilitating in any way, nor do the requirements of the recovery
interfere in any way with the duties of the office for which I am
honored to seek. Completion of that course of recovery will in all
probability be complete by the first of January, 2000 in any case.
I agree to debate any issues which come before the candidates for this
office to the best of my ability, and I further agree to "Stand In
Forum" in regard to any subject on which I am challenged, but I will not
debate upon the topics of Religion, Race or National Allegiance,
believing them to be outside the subjects that need or should be
addressed in this forum. A simple statement of the agreement, and
adherence to that agreement to abide by the Constitution of Nova Roma, I
feel is all that is required of any Citizen.
In closing, let me urge all my fellow NR Citizens to vote in this coming
election, and vote for the candidate that you feel will do the most for
you, regardless of who it is. In this last election there were many
votes that were wasted because they did not conform exactly to the
Voting Code which had been assigned. I strongly urge you all to be
perfectly sure that your voting code is correctly set down as you vote.
It is of primary importance to both the voter and to Nova Roma.
Valete, Nova Roma Magistrates and Citizens;
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens;
Lictor, Legate, Praetor, et Senator
Candidate For Consul
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Russian National Anthem |
| From: |
LSergAust@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:44:21 EST |
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Salvete,
Here is the URL for a page with several different sound files containing
the Soviet anthem. I particularly like the .wav file of the entire thing
sung by the Bolshoi Chrus.
<a href="http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/html_pages/soviet.html" target="_top" >http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/html_pages/soviet.html</a>
There are a lot of other interesting russian things accessible from this
page:
<a href="http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/" target="_top" >http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/</a>
Somewhere in there, there should be some recordings of the current
Russian anthem (which had no lyrics last I heard). It really sounds
unsuited for the national anthem of a great nation IMHO, but maybe it
just needs a better arrangement.
The Soviet one would make a great one for NR if we could come up with
suitable lyrics. I don't think anyone else is using it these days. :-)
Enjoy!
Valete,
L. Sergius Aust.
On 11/23/99 4:30 PM James Mathe--------<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a>) --------e:
>From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/font>
>
>L. Serg. Aust.
>
>You may certainly intrude, as you usually bring excellent information
>into any discussion. I thank you for the thought of the URLs and would
>welcome any effort that you care to make in that regard.
>
>Respectfully;
>
>Marcus Minucius Audens
certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)
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| Subject: |
Re: Digest Number 635 |
| From: |
"LegionXXIV" LegionXXIV@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:01:03 -0500 |
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VICESIMA - QUARTA
LEGION XXIV - MEDIA - ATLANTIA
* PROVINCIA PENNSYLVANIA *
* MEDIA - ATLANTICA * AMERICIA *
Defending the Frontiers of Ancient Rome
in the Mid - Atlantic Province
of North America
November 23, 1999
Year of Rome 2752
Avete et Salutatio... Commilito Cassius
and Romani of NovaRoma
Hello and Greetings from Gallio Velius Marsallas,
Praefectus, Legio XXIV Media-Atlantia;
Tribune Militaris - NovaRoma - Gens Velia
aka George W. Metz
13 Post Run Newtown Square, PA 19073-3014
<a h--------"/post/nova--------?p--------ctID=034056178009193116001195151189114012071048139" >legionXXIV@--------</a> 610-353-4982
<a href="http://www.legionXXIV.org" target="_top" >http://www.legionXXIV.org</a>
We would prefer a banner or vexillum type
NovaRoma flag-standard.
It looks good Cassius.
You may want to consider using a heavier gauge
fabric or material or even using a double layer
construction. It would hang better and would
resist being blown about in a breeze.
Also bleed-through of back-lighting or image would
be less visible and would be eliminated with a
double layer of material.
The extra cost, I believe, would be worth it for a
better, more durable and impressive Standard.
This flag-banner will represent and express to the
public the pride and dignity of NovaRoma and
of the Citizen who is displaying it.
I implore. . . It Must Not Be Done Cheaply !!!
Legion XXIV may be willing assist with the
additional expense for a quality banner.
Check out our Website <a href="http://www.legionxxiv.org" target="_top" >http://www.legionxxiv.org</a>
It is loaded with links to other roman legions, suppliers
and contacts, along with historical roman organizations
and data. Our "Links" pages, "Roman Names" page,
"Glossary" and "TimeLines" are quite comprehensive
and have just been updated. Take a look.
As always, I remain;
Tuus in Sodalicio Respublica Romanae
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic
Gallio / George
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| Subject: |
Land |
| From: |
Exitil@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:04:14 EST |
|
<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=206872462" target="_top" >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=206872462</a>
Check it out. Havent looked too much into it. Appears to be 5 acres of
Wyoming ranch land for $500. Also can use "upgrade plan" to purchase
additional land at the same cost ($100/acre) in a 35 or 40 acre amount.
Zoning is 35 acre minimum to build a home. Either way, the land itself
wouldnt be a bad start. Oh well, just lookin about.
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| Subject: |
Another |
| From: |
Exitil@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:11:09 EST |
|
One last email regarding land:
<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=204367117" target="_top" >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=204367117</a>
49 acres for $5000
<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=204162716" target="_top" >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=204162716</a>
40 acres, $5900
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| Subject: |
Re: Flag HELP! |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:53:17 -0000 |
|
Salvete Cassi at omnes
>3. Turn the flags vertical rather than horizontal, and print the NR logo on
>one side. That would turn the flags into Banners... the sort of thing that
>would be hung off a Roman Legion standard.
This is my preferred.
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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| Subject: |
Q Fabius Maximus announces he will stand for Consul. |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 05:02:53 EST |
|
Salvete, Nova Romans!
I announce I will stand for Consul of Nova Roma. There is no humility
involved,
just the knowledge of Roman history and a burning desire to take Nova Roma to
the next level.
I participated in the election for the position of Praetor, my qualifications
have not changed. Nor will they in the future.
Nova Roma needs a definitive statement of what we are about. I'm not sure if
many of you even know. I recently attended a history conference at UCLA and
found that many people were favorable to the idea of NR, they just have a
problem with the religious aspect.
Which leads me to where our greatest strength lies, the Religio. Nova Roma
revival of worship of the Olympians may be NR's greatest glory. But we also
should be working hard on the historical aspect of NR. If we indeed are a
link to Rome, then we should using this link to raise money for research on
the old Republic/Empire. The sooner we put together resource centers that
other people can use for research, we start gaining credibility.
Finally, I understand that many civvies votes' were wasted in the last
election because participants did not follow the codes to which they have
been assigned.
I call on the current government to better instruct the citizens in the
voting procedure and perhaps reissue voting codes so everyone can take part
in the franchise this time around.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus (the gimp)
Curule Aedilli
et al
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| Subject: |
The anthem & a question |
| From: |
"Artem Kouzminykh" ural_liz@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:12:17 PST |
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Salvete omnes!
I was interested with the recent discussion about the anthem of Nova Roma
and particularly about the USSR Hymn and the modern Russian Federation
anthem. I never expected to see such a discussion in that list! Actually I
was the citizen of the USSR, you know...:)) So, I know the subject...:))
I really like the music of the former Soviet Hymn (I don't mean I like the
words, of course; I never really listen them). It's a good hymn/anthem.
The music of Russian Federation's national anthem ('Patriotic Song') is good
too. Indeed, it has no words at the moment (thank gods!:-)). The author of
it is a famous Russian composer of the XIX centuary Glinka. It's a pity that
the abstract of it at
<a href="http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/html_pages/soviet.html" target="_top" >http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/html_pages/soviet.html</a> sounds so
ugly, in fact the music is much better and ... stirring:-).
I also would like to notice that the music of Pachelbel's 'Cannon' and
Albioni's 'Adagio' is really stirring and probably may be a candidate for NR
anthem either. I was just listening these two pieces in waw files...
I also have a question (probably for Censores). I've applied for NR
citizenship in September and a the moment have no any notifications from
Censores. Actually, I received a letter with my personal 'vote code', but
what did it mean? Does it mean that I received a citizenship, or the
application is not yet considered, or it was rejected? I'd like someone to
clarify this point to me novice...
Valete et avete.
Artyom E. Kouzminykh (or Aulus Artorius Arius Sarmatus)
Sorry for my poooor English!
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| Subject: |
ATTN CENSORS--Anthem & a question |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:35:15 -0500 (EST) |
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Salve; Aulus Artorius Arius Sarmatus;
Actually, I think your English is excellent. I thank you for the links
and will view (listen) to them tonight. My wife is a former music major
and concert pianist, and has mentioned Glinka on several occasions. I
will ask her specifically about him when she returns from work tonight.
It is a pleasure to be able to talk with you on this net, and I hope to
have many more such conversations.
In regards to the voting code, I don't believe one would have been
issued unless you were considered a Citizen of Nova Roma. Let's ask the
Censors.
Can either of the Censors answer this gentleman as to his question about
his citizenship?? Censor Palladius; Censor Germanicus??
Marcus Minucius Audens
Praetor et Senator
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
How to vote was Re: Q Fabius Maximus announces he will stand for Consul. |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:33:54 -0500 |
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Salvete omnes
Enter your voter code EXACTLY as it was issued to you. Do not alter, omit
or insert any character or space.
I'll repeat this instruction again, for every comitia that is to be
convened, when specific announcements are made to convene them.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
rogator
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>
>
>Finally, I understand that many civvies votes' were wasted in the last
>election because participants did not follow the codes to which they have
>been assigned.
>I call on the current government to better instruct the citizens in the
>voting procedure and perhaps reissue voting codes so everyone can take part
>in the franchise this time around.
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| Subject: |
Re: How to vote |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:09:59 -0500 (EST) |
|
Citizens of NR;
I want to thank Merrullus for his short and concise instruction on the
use of the Voter Code. The Rogators have a rather extensive task in
determining the voter codes and the responsibility for insuring that
they are correct. That responsibility may well make the difference
between success or failure of a candidate, so the task is a difficult
and detailed one, as well as a most responsible one.
I want to take just a moment to thank the Rogators for thier adherence
to the strict letter of instruction for the review of the Voter Codes,
and for a job very well done. I much appreciate the effort that was
required and provided without stint, during the last election, and
depend on the same strict and detailed work for this one. I am sure
that the Citizens of NR will give credit where credit is due, and
provide thier own thank-yous as they will.
In addition, it is my belief that the Citizens of NR are quite able to
determine the goals and the future of this micro-nation, and that they
are fully able to determine the destiny of both themselves and Nova
Roma, as well as who they wish to steer the course that they, the
Citizens, will set.
In closing I wish to thank all of those citizens in appointed positions
who are so very important in the everyday functions of this
micro-nation, and who carry out the details of administration to keep NR
running smoothly.
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Praetor et Senator
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Red Flag & Soviet Anthem |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:21:50 PST |
|
Stravstvuitye Tovarishchi!
The old Soviet Russian national anthem is 'Gymn Sovietskogo Soyusa',
composed by A. V. Alexandrov (music) and S. Mikhailov and I. Registan
(lyrics). As far as I know, it has nothing to do with sheep. It was adopted
in 1944, presumably because the old Bolshevik 'Internationale' wasn't the
kind of song you need to fight fellow-workers of the world singing...
For myself, I have reservations about using even the tune: imagine a bunch
of us singing it whilst standing to attention as a red flag with a gold
motif is run up the pole. Folks will misunderstand our intentions,
especially as there's already another historical re-enactment group which
already does this - they're called 'Old Russian Communists' :-)
Valete i do-zvidaniya,
Vado.
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| Subject: |
Re: Lararium... |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" tinnekke@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:27:18 GMT |
|
Salve
"As far as the availability of statues, maybe what we need to do
is appeal to the larger Pagan community, in which there are
artists, maybe some of which who would not mind helping us out
with this for the right amount of cash."
Try Sacred Source. One of their recent catalogs had beautiful Lares and a
Vesta plaque.
Vale
L. Iunia Cypria
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| Subject: |
Reply to Julianus, Audens, Vado etc |
| From: |
Diana Aventina diana_aventina@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:23:13 -0800 (PST) |
|
Greetings Nova Romans,
Marcus Cassius Julianus said:
>If we do get to Britain it'd be great if at
least
>we could meet some of the
>Citizens we've come to know a little online!
Hey if you decide to cross the Channel, give us a
call in Flanders. There's loads of Roman sites
here (along the Roman road through the Ardennes)
or you can do what most people do when they visit
Antwerp--visit the pubs and try out some of
Belgium's 275 different beers :-)
Audens said:
> I think that you misunderstand the thrust of my
> message.
Actually, you are probably right! Sorry about
that--I'm sort of a "broken record" about
International organizations really being
"international". The "sore spot" that I have with
Nova Roma is that everything is always mentioned
in USD, the chatrooms etc are always geared to US
time zones, and towns of gatherings are always
mentioned as if all of us know where they are...
Nova Roma seems (at this stage) to be more of a
US Nova Roma (no insult intended). I am just
making an observation as someone who spends about
15 hours per week promoting international
paganism.
Sorry again if I insulted you or seemed in any
way "negative". In reality, what I feel is closer
to "jealousy". I am quite jealous that as a Roman
Pagan, I am quite all alone here in Belgica and
you people are all going to meet and have fun
without me :-)
Looking forward to my next Eagle.
Vado said:
>imagine a bunch > of us singing it whilst
>standing to attention as a red flag with a gold
> motif is run up the pole. Folks will
> misunderstand our intentions,
> especially as there's already another
> historical re-enactment group which
> already does this - they're called 'Old Russian
> Communists' :-)
I agree. I think that its a bad idea to use
another country's National Anthem because EVERY
country is bound to have pissed off/been at war
with someone at one time or another. We should
also avoid using "Deutschland über Alles" :-)
Bright Blessings,
Diana
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| Subject: |
Nova Roma Flags Now Available! |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:33:30 EST |
|
Salvete,
Firstly, *thank you* to everyone who took the time to give feedback on the
first production of flags for Nova Roma. 100% of the votes were for a
vertically printed "vexillium" flag. I did a test print and they did indeed
look great, so the whole lot was produced as vexillia.
So... here's the official info! :)
NOVA ROMA FLAGS
Nova Roma now offers its official flag, printed as a Roman standard, or
"vexillium"! The Vexillium is 11 inches across and 17 inches long, with
grommets for hanging. These flags are made of nylon and are strong enough for
outdoor use. The Nova Roma symbol, "SPQR" inside a Classical wreath is
printed on the front in gold.
An image of the vexillium flag can be seen at:
<a href="http://members.aol.com/Cassius622/Vexillium1.jpg" target="_top" >http://members.aol.com/Cassius622/Vexillium1.jpg</a>
50 flags have been produced as a limited first run, and are available for
$12.95 each. Shipping in the US is an additional $2.00, overseas Citizens
please inquire for shipping rates. Each vexillium flag comes with a numbered
Certificate of issue as one of the first flags produced by Nova Roma.
Checks or money orders should be made out to "Nova Roma". Send to:
Nova Roma
P.O. Box 1897
Wells, ME 04090
For questions, or to check availablity, please Email Marcus Cassius Julianus
at:
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=219166066112082162090218066036129208" >cassius@--------</a>
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| Subject: |
Re: Reply to Julianus, Audens, Vado etc |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:17:35 EST |
|
In a message dated 11/24/99 1:24:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a> writes:
Diana:
<< Actually, you are probably right! Sorry about
that--I'm sort of a "broken record" about
International organizations really being
"international". The "sore spot" that I have with
Nova Roma is that everything is always mentioned
in USD,
Cassius:
Amounts are mentioned in US Dollars only because to date everything sold
through Nova Roma has been from the US. Hopefully some folks from Britain,
Europe, etc. will join the Macellum or otherwise offer Roman products! Then
we'll all fully expect to see some amounts expressed in Pounds, Francs, Euro
Dollars, or whatever.
Truly, it would be extremely difficult for anyone offering an item for sale
to give the value of the item in all possible currencies. It's natural to
expect a merchant anywhere to express amounts in their own currency. Others
from other countries must make their own currency conversion. If you offer
something in the UK tomorrow I'll fully expect it to be listed in Pounds...
and it'll be up to me to figure out the US equivalent. Just as it would be up
to someone in Brazil to figure out the exchange in their own currency.
Diana:
the chatrooms etc are always geared to US
time zones,
Cassius:
No, I'm sorry... the Nova Roma live chat is set to the time in Rome, Italy.
It has been almost since the founding.
Diana:
and towns of gatherings are always
mentioned as if all of us know where they are...
Cassius:
Usually gatherings in the US are mentioned with both the town and the state,
at least in the initial thread. For instance, there will be a gathering in
Uxbridge, Massachusetts on December 4th. Admittedly that probably got
shortened to "Uxbridge gathering" by Email four or five, I could definitely
see the confusion there. If people need USA to be placed on the end of that
it's a change that can easily be made...
Diana:
Nova Roma seems (at this stage) to be more of a
US Nova Roma (no insult intended). I am just
making an observation as someone who spends about
15 hours per week promoting international
paganism.
Cassius:
To date, the majority of Nova Roma Citizens *are* from the US. My personal
guess is that it's because there may be a higher per capita percentage of
people on the Internet here. When I was in Britain last year I didn't meet a
single person who had an Email address (although two had relatives who owned
a computer) ... here its unusual to find someone who doesn't.
My guess would be that the answer to balancing Nova Roma more on an
international basis would be to focus building up the various Provincia, and
finding non-Internet ways to reach out to folks in some countries.
Advertising, perhaps?
Diana:
Sorry again if I insulted you or seemed in any
way "negative". In reality, what I feel is closer
to "jealousy". I am quite jealous that as a Roman
Pagan, I am quite all alone here in Belgica and
you people are all going to meet and have fun
without me :-)
Looking forward to my next Eagle.
Cassius:
Believe me, I'd love to join other Nova Romans in a trip to Belgica to visit
you! ;) Yet again, a more permanent solution would be to find more people in
Belgica itself who are interested in Roman subjects to become Citizens. Any
ideas on how to improve things in that Provincia?
Vado said:
>imagine a bunch > of us singing it whilst
>standing to attention as a red flag with a gold
> motif is run up the pole. Folks will
> misunderstand our intentions,
> especially as there's already another
> historical re-enactment group which
> already does this - they're called 'Old Russian
> Communists' :-)
Diana:
I agree. I think that its a bad idea to use
another country's National Anthem because EVERY
country is bound to have pissed off/been at war
with someone at one time or another. We should
also avoid using "Deutschland über Alles" :-)
Cassius:
Well said, both of you! There's no rush on this... perhaps at some point a
real
composer will become a Citizen and write just the perfect piece of original
music for us! :)
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Quis quem invidet was Re: Reply to Julianus, Audens, Vado etc |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:14:08 -0500 |
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Salvete Diana et alii
No need to feel jealous at all...
>From: Diana Aventina <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a>
>
...give us a
>call in Flanders. There's loads of Roman sites
>here (along the Roman road through the Ardennes)
Golly, how can you be jealous of Americans when you have real Roman sites in
your vicinity? It must be so great to be able to go to those sites pretty
much whenever you want!
-I'm sort of a "broken record" about
>International organizations really being
>"international".
Me too.
The "sore spot" that I have with
>Nova Roma is that everything is always mentioned
>in USD, the chatrooms etc are always geared to US
>time zones
Dont worry -- very few people seem to have been chatting in there anyway,
since about the beginning of this year. I peek in about every other market
day, and I'm lucky if I find anyone at all -- despite my "strategic
positioning" on the east coast of the US, right in the "correct" time zone.
The bright side of that is that it makes it more fun when I do find someone
in there.
and towns of gatherings are always
>mentioned as if all of us know where they are...
I had never heard of Uxbridge until Audens proposed the place for the
upcoming Nova Brittania meeting.
>Nova Roma seems (at this stage) to be more of a
>US Nova Roma (no insult intended).
You definitely have a point. It's largely a matter of perception, since we
have no territory, neither in the US, Europe, or anywhere else. But most of
the citizens live in the US and speak English, so far. Given the proportion
of Internet users in the US versus those in some other countries, and the
fact that we exist thus far by virtue of the Internet, I am willing to bet
that the US will always be home to a majority of NR citizens, and there will
probably always be more NR citizens living in Britannia than in Kazakhstan.
As time goes on and we grow, however, I believe that we can become more
international, and much less anglocentric.
I am quite jealous that as a Roman
>Pagan, I am quite all alone here in Belgica and
>you people are all going to meet and have fun
>without me :-)
This strikes me as funny, since I was recently appointed Legatus of the New
Hampshire Regio, in which, as far as I know, I am the one and only NR
citizen. I have never, ever met anyone in NR, nor anyone who practiced
Religio Romana or even anything like it. You just can't be more alone in
your Roman experience than I am, no way (although I suspect that many NR
people are in very similar circumstances, and I know that some are). That's
why I'm so looking forward to meeting Audens, Iulianus, Luna and others in
Uxbridge next month. Yippee!
>Vado said:
>>imagine a bunch > of us singing it whilst
>>standing to attention as a red flag with a gold
>> motif is run up the pole. Folks will
>> misunderstand our intentions,
>> especially as there's already another
>> historical re-enactment group which
>> already does this - they're called 'Old Russian
>> Communists' :-)
>I agree. I think that its a bad idea to use
>another country's National Anthem because EVERY
>country is bound to have pissed off/been at war
>with someone at one time or another. We should
>also avoid using "Deutschland über Alles" :-)
What a hilarious thread. If we're going to adopt the music of the Soviet
hymn, why not go all the way and ask Fabius to produce a Nova Roman sequel
to "Triumph of the Will"? Heck, with today's technology, we don't even have
to do much filming: we'll just digitally superimpose images of all the
senators and magistrates over Hitler's in different scenes, and dub over it
with my voice shouting nonsense in Latin. They already put truckloads of
eagles in there for us. Sulla, would there be any copyright difficulty do
you think?
(The foregoing has been an attempt to amuse, not to offend)
>
>Bright Blessings,
>Diana
Valete
C Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Get-Togethers |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:31:19 -0500 (EST) |
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Diana;
You certainly have not upset me at all. This may be hard for you to
believe, But I know just how you feel. This year when everyone on the
West Coast got together for the History Expo in San Francisco, I could
not attend and I really wanted to, San Francisco is approximately 3000
miles from me which is roughly twice as far as England is.
In order to get to the Roman Re-Enactment this last summer in Maryland,
my wife and I had to fly down and rent a car. When the guys get
together in Texas, I won't be able to go, because of the cost and the
time it will take to get there and back. The U.S, is pretty big and
most people are confined to the provinces for personal activities unless
they can combine a business trip with the personal event.
Try this one day, take a cut-out of the U,S, (same scale) and put the
West Coast on the West Coast of Ireland and see where the U.S, East
Coast lands! A similar exercise with Canada is also interesting. Our
world is a big place and it takes time and money to go from one place to
another. Thats fairly obvious, but when you get where you are going it
would be nice to meet several people, and that takes a lot of planning.
My wife and I had the idea that we might take about three months and
rent a small apartment in Brussels and later in London, because we
enjoyed it so much when we were there, but she keeps getting promoted
and spending more time at the office. One of these days she will retire
and then we can do some of that stuff, but until that time it's
Uxbridge, Mass, or Providence R.I. or Boston or maybe even Wells, Maine
on a "long reach." Take a look at a U.S. Road Atlas and see how far it
is from New London CT, to Portland, Maine.and figure you have to be back
on Monday morning. We have a lot of distance problems here as well, and
outside of a Star Trek Transporter, I'm not sure how to deal with it
(Grin!!!).
Don't feel too awfully bad Diana, I'm not going to be able to visit the
Roman Exhibit in Las Angles either and Ericius who lives on the West
Coast (in San Francisco) may not make it either. It's about a 400 mile
trip if I remember correctly, so we do what we can, when we can, and
hope that somebody can make it.
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Reply to Julianus, Audens, Vado etc |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:47:53 -0500 (EST) |
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Marcus Julianus;
I really hope that your comment about the get-together at Uxbridge, Mass
on the 4th of December was an inadvertant slip!!! The date that we had
agreed upon was Dec. 11-12 . Please tell me that was an error and not
what your plans are!!!
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Red Flag & Soviet Anthem |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:49:41 -0800 |
|
I've been waiting for someone to make the connection between these two
points. [hehe]
Beautiful melody, just the same.
This again brings up my point that we should not seriously consider a
melody that comes with old baggage. NOt if we are talking about a
serious Nova Roma song. If we are just filking along, it does not
matter (e.g. the Cassii "Roman Republican" song).
Ericius.
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| Subject: |
Nova Roma web site (includes Edictum) |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:13:27 -0500 |
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Salvete Omnes,
It has been brought to my attention that the Nova Roma web site has not been
kept up-to-date. For this I most earnestly apologize.
As I have not been receiving email from the Mailing List for some time, I
would ask that all magistrates who have issued edicta that are not currently
i--------e Aerarium Satur--------lease forward them to me at <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>
so they may be included. Anyone else who has any updates or changes they
have noticed need making please also forward them to me as well.
Recently, my time has been extremely limited (for reasons which have been
given to the Senate, and for which they apparently felt my offered
resignation as Curator Araneum was unwarranted). My time is once again
fairly open, and should afford me a great deal of opportunity to make
changes and updates.
For the last month or two, I had placed the day-to-day maintenance of the
site under the care of Minervina Iucundia Flavia, who had volunteered as my
assistant. Apparently, she decided that she no longer felt inclined to
undertake that responsibility, but didn't let anyone know, myself included.
EDICTUM: As Curator Araneum, I hereby remove Minervina Iucundia Flavia from
her position as Scriba.
I remind everyone that the position is open in the upcoming elections (since
I won't be running again), but be forewarned; it's a huge job. Be prepared
to take on at least a couple of assistants (and have them lined up well in
advance!). I will be more than happy to advise anyone contemplating running
for Curator Araneum on the technical aspects of the web site as it currently
stands.
Again, my apologies. As Curator Araneum, I take full responsibility for the
failure of my Scriba to maintain the web site.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Curator Araneum
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| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma Flags Now Available! |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:32:27 -0800 |
|
Ave!
>
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------;
>
> Salvete,
>
> Firstly, *thank you* to everyone who took the time to give feedback on the
> first production of flags for Nova Roma. 100% of the votes were for a
> vertically printed "vexillium" flag. I did a test print and they did indeed
> look great, so the whole lot was produced as vexillia.
>
> So... here's the official info! :)
>
> NOVA ROMA FLAGS (etceteras)
Put one aside, I'll send a check Saturday.
In Amicus - Venator
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| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma web site (includes Edictum) |
| From: |
JSA varromurena@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:30:12 -0800 (PST) |
|
--- Flavius Vedius Germanicus
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> wrote:
>Anyone else who has any
> updates or changes they
> have noticed need making please also forward them to
> me as well.
>
Does this include links to the Internet Ancient
History Sourcebook (the ones on Rome and Roman
religio)? And an updating of the Booksale site to make
it more visible and add links to those books I've been
reviewing and posting to the list so we can get some
money from Amazon.com?
L. Licinius Varro Murena
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