Forum Romanum


Subject:	Re: Nova Roma web site (includes Edictum)
From:	BenBorgo@--------
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:30:25 EST

Salve, Germanicus.

I thought, perhaps, you might be able to use some help in maintaining the
website for the next month. My schedule has finally slowed down a bit, and I
once again have something which most people refer to as... free time:). If I
can be of any assistance in an unofficial capacity, let me know and I'll do
what I can, if not, well...I tried:).

Vale,
Gn. Tarquinius Caesar


Subject:	Re: The anthem & a question
From:	Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@--------
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:44:51 -0500 (EST)

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Artem Kouzminykh wrote:

> From: "Artem Kouzminyk--------4; <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=224212113078159153036161203004129208071" >ural_liz@--------</a>

> I also have a question (probably for Censores). I've applied for NR
> citizenship in September and a the moment have no any notifications from
> Censores. Actually, I received a letter with my personal 'vote code', but
> what did it mean? Does it mean that I received a citizenship, or the
> application is not yet considered, or it was rejected? I'd like someone to
> clarify this point to me novice...

Salve,

Rest assured, you are a citizen. You would not have received a voter code
otherwise.

Not long after you were accepted as a citizen you should have received a
a "congratulation and welcome" letter (email). My apologies if you did
not.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius,
Censor


Subject:	Voter codes
From:	Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@--------
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:52:51 -0500 (EST)

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------; wrote:

> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;

> Finally, I understand that many civvies votes' were wasted in the last
> election because participants did not follow the codes to which they have
> been assigned.
> I call on the current government to better instruct the citizens in the
> voting procedure and perhaps reissue voting codes so everyone can take part
> in the franchise this time around.

Yes, a handful of votes were not counted because people incorrectly
entered their voter codes. To repeat, you MUST enter your code EXACTLY as
it was given. This includes uppercase or lower case letters. Do not
substitute letters for numbers and vice versa. 0 is a number, O is a
letter. To put one in place of the other will invalidate your vote. Think
of it as a password. The best thing to do would be to cut and paste the
code directly from the message in which your code was sent.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius,
Censor


Subject:	Re: The anthem & a question
From:	"Artem Kouzminykh" ural_liz@--------
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 03:39:07 PST

Salvete cives,

>From: Decius Iunius Palladius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>

>
>Salve,
>
>Rest assured, you are a citizen. You would not have received a voter code
>otherwise.
>
>Not long after you were accepted as a citizen you should have received a
>a "congratulation and welcome" letter (email). My apologies if you did
>not.
>
>Vale,
>
>Decius Iunius Palladius,
>Censor

No I didn't recive any "congratulation and welcome" email, probably because
my inbox was filled with a huge number of spam messages (more than
2500:-(((()for several days and I was to delete all messages in it.

I continue to think that old Soviet Hymn tune wasn't so bad idea for 5
reasons:
- it sounds like a real anthem; but
- actually it was from the very beginning created as a national anthem;
- now there is no such state, so the tune is FREE at the moment (never
heared befor about 'Old Russian Communists':-);
- I don't think many Americans or Europeans hearing this music will remember
that ONCE (already many years ago) it was the USSR Hymn, because even here
in Russia many people don't remember the tune of their former country:-);
- it's out of copyright, AFAIK.

And additionnaly, probably _any_ melody that can be suggested as a NR anthem
(not only former Soviet Hymn) already has its own background, that has
nothing to do with NR's aims.

And I got some more naive 'novice' questions, for example:
- what do letters SPQR in NR's national flag mean? A latin phrase? And why
the flag is red?
- what do abbreviations like IMHO, AFAIK ('as far as I know', I believe?)
and so on mean?
- do I use a word "Sarmatus" correctly for Latin equivallent for "Russian"?

Valete.

Aulus Artorius Arius Sarmatus


Subject:	response to merullus
From:	Diana Aventina diana_aventina@--------
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 05:05:39 -0800 (PST)

Merullus said::
>From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>

>Golly, how can you be jealous of Americans when
>you have real Roman sites in your vicinity?
It is kinda' nice... A few months ago, they
accidentally dug up a Temple to Mithras about 10
miles from me. About 2 miles from me (In the city
of Antwerp), they found the foundations of a
Roman building.

> I have never, ever met anyone in NR, nor anyone
who practiced
>Religio Romana or even anything like it.
> That's why I'm so looking forward to meeting
Audens,Iulianus, Luna and others in
>Uxbridge next month. Yippee!
If you have half as much fun as I had with Vado
and Aletheia at the Pagan Federation
Conference last Saturday, then you'll have a
great time! Still, I wish that I hadn't drank so
much of the "Specially Blessed Thorrshammer Ale".
My stomach has JUST finally recovered :-)
For me, it is mostly a matter of "Roman Pagan
companionship." I meet/speak to hundreds of
Pagans on a regular basis, but so far I'm the
only one interested in Religio Romana. I have met
lots of Wiccans who will throw a Roman God or two
into their rituals but it's not quite the same
thing...

> Heck, with today's technology, we don't even
have
>to do much filming: we'll just digitally
>superimpose images of all the
>senators and magistrates over Hitler's in
>different scenes, and dub over it
>with my voice shouting nonsense in Latin.
Ha Ha Ha!!! :-)

Bright Blessings,
Diana
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Subject:	Reply to Cassius
From:	Diana Aventina diana_aventina@--------
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 05:48:32 -0800 (PST)

Hi Cassius,
>No, I'm sorry... the Nova Roma live chat is set
>to the time in Rome, Italy.
>It has been almost since the founding.
But how many of us in the Roman time zone are
awake and at the computer at 3am in the morning?
I am getting my well-needed beauty sleep at that
hour (unless the chat hour has been changed--I
thought it was at 9PM New York time)

Cassius:
>Britain last year I didn't meet a single person
who had an Email address
You are certainly correct about that! In Belgium,
most people don't even own a typewriter.

Cassius:
> a more permanent solution would be to find more
people in
>Belgica itself who are interested in Roman
>subjects to become Citizens. Any
>ideas on how to improve things in that
Provincia?
Well things can only improve in Belgica! Since
there is only one member--me-- things can't get
worse :-) Actually, I have lots of ideas. I am
happy to give out Nova Roma brochures along with
all of my other Pagan stuff that we (the Pagan
Federation International) distribute. I am even
happy to translate the basic Nova Roma info that
Vado gave me into Dutch & French (for the
Belgians) and a few other languages if you want
(German, Spanish and even Serbo-Croatian--my best
non-pagan friend is a Serbian-ex-patriot). But
at this point, for people without computers
and/or who are not fluent in English, Nova Roma
can't offer them too much. However, little by
little I am promoting Nova Roma alongside the PF.
When I
am knowledgeable enough, I plan on organizing
Open PF rituals as Religio Romana rituals
(instead of the usual Wicca/Wiica-ish open
rituals that everyone else does). In this way,
more people will learn about the Religio Romana
as a Pagan Path.....

Bright Blessings,
Diana

--- <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; wrote:
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------;
>
> In a message dated 11/24/99 1:24:02 PM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a> writes:
>
> Diana:
> << Actually, you are probably right! Sorry
> about
> that--I'm sort of a "broken record" about
> International organizations really being
> "international". The "sore spot" that I have
> with
> Nova Roma is that everything is always
> mentioned
> in USD,
>
> Cassius:
> Amounts are mentioned in US Dollars only
> because to date everything sold
> through Nova Roma has been from the US.
> Hopefully some folks from Britain,
> Europe, etc. will join the Macellum or
> otherwise offer Roman products! Then
> we'll all fully expect to see some amounts
> expressed in Pounds, Francs, Euro
> Dollars, or whatever.
>
> Truly, it would be extremely difficult for
> anyone offering an item for sale
> to give the value of the item in all possible
> currencies. It's natural to
> expect a merchant anywhere to express amounts
> in their own currency. Others
> from other countries must make their own
> currency conversion. If you offer
> something in the UK tomorrow I'll fully expect
> it to be listed in Pounds...
> and it'll be up to me to figure out the US
> equivalent. Just as it would be up
> to someone in Brazil to figure out the exchange
> in their own currency.
>
> Diana:
> the chatrooms etc are always geared to US
> time zones,
>
> Cassius:
> No, I'm sorry... the Nova Roma live chat is set
> to the time in Rome, Italy.
> It has been almost since the founding.
>
> Diana:
> and towns of gatherings are always
> mentioned as if all of us know where they
> are...
>
> Cassius:
> Usually gatherings in the US are mentioned with
> both the town and the state,
> at least in the initial thread. For instance,
> there will be a gathering in
> Uxbridge, Massachusetts on December 4th.
> Admittedly that probably got
> shortened to "Uxbridge gathering" by Email four
> or five, I could definitely
> see the confusion there. If people need USA to
> be placed on the end of that
> it's a change that can easily be made...
>
> Diana:
> Nova Roma seems (at this stage) to be more of
> a
> US Nova Roma (no insult intended). I am just
> making an observation as someone who spends
> about
> 15 hours per week promoting international
> paganism.
>
> Cassius:
> To date, the majority of Nova Roma Citizens
> *are* from the US. My personal
> guess is that it's because there may be a
> higher per capita percentage of
> people on the Internet here. When I was in
> Britain last year I didn't meet a
> single person who had an Email address
> (although two had relatives who owned
> a computer) ... here its unusual to find
> someone who doesn't.
>
> My guess would be that the answer to balancing
> Nova Roma more on an
> international basis would be to focus building
> up the various Provincia, and
> finding non-Internet ways to reach out to folks
> in some countries.
> Advertising, perhaps?
>
> Diana:
> Sorry again if I insulted you or seemed in any
> way "negative". In reality, what I feel is
> closer
> to "jealousy". I am quite jealous that as a
> Roman
> Pagan, I am quite all alone here in Belgica
> and
> you people are all going to meet and have fun
> without me :-)
> Looking forward to my next Eagle.
>
> Cassius:
> Believe me, I'd love to join other Nova Romans
> in a trip to Belgica to visit
> you! ;) Yet again, a more permanent solution
> would be to find more people in
> Belgica itself who are interested in Roman
> subjects to become Citizens. Any
> ideas on how to improve things in that
> Provincia?
>
> Vado said:
> >imagine a bunch > of us singing it whilst
> >standing to attention as a red flag with a
> gold
> > motif is run up the pole. Folks will
> > misunderstand our intentions,
> > especially as there's already another
> > historical re-enactment group which
> > already does this - they're called 'Old
> Russian
> > Communists' :-)
>
> Diana:
> I agree. I think that its a bad idea to use
> another country's National Anthem because
> EVERY
> country is bound to have pissed off/been at
> war
> with someone at one time or another. We should
> also avoid using "Deutschland �ber Alles" :-)
>
> Cassius:
> Well said, both of you! There's no rush on
> this... perhaps at some point a
> real
> composer will become a Citizen and write just
> the perfect piece of original
> music for us! :)
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
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Subject:	Re: Nova Roma Flags Now Available!
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:56:59 EST

Cassius,

I missed the post about the Flags now being available.

Can you resend the ordering info. to me? Please put "Dex, Flag Info" in the
subject so I don't delete it.

Thanks!

--Dexippus


Subject:	Nova Roma Before the World
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:19:42 -0500 (EST)

Salve, Diana Aventina;

Just an idea, but if not a lot of foks have computers, what about the
old fashioned fan club idea. Now, I am certainly no expert on Begian
Culture, but there must be groups of people in Belgica or any other
country who gather together for meetings like flower clubs, quilting /
applique clubs, Boy Scouts. Military interest clubs, and a variety of
civilian clubs of various interests. These clubs / organizations would
probably be listed on some sort of national or provincial listing, so
the general public could find out about them.

These type of clubs have a certain kind of appeal to Nova Roma in that
peope who take advantage of such organizations are "joiners" and a given
proportion of these "joiners" will have an interest in Roman Culture.
To push the anology a bit farther, a smaller proportion will be
interested Religio Romano, as well as Roman Foods, Roman Families and
Roman Engineering and other aspects of the Roman World. The trick is to
get interesting literature into the stream, so these people will be able
to exercise their interests. I should think that to some degree this
scenario would be available in all countries.

The problem then is to create sufficient literature and exposure to the
general public and to this organization net, so that people can find out
more information with relative ease. Newspapers, Magazines, Radio and
Television immediately spring to mind as well as the Internet.

What kind of resources does NR worldwide have in order to take
advantages of this kind of coverage?

--Who works with a newspaper that might be able to design a public
service ad for NR?

--Who has access to a radio or TV network that might introduce NR onto a
talk show or program that is always looking for new ideas?

--Who has access to a magazine or periodical that might get a public
service ad or article into that periodical about NR?

--Who is familiar enough with the Internet to create advertisng for NR
and get it to a large number of people in a positive way?

--Who is willing to post fliers in Public Libraries. Public Offices. and
Public Notice Facilities like Community Halls, Senior Citizen Faciities,
and other public information facilities?

--And then who is willing to notify NR of what they have done in this
area, for publicaton in the Eagle???

Marcus Cassius Julianus has designed some excellent NR fliers which are
available for the asking, and which can be reproduced and distributed.
He has also designed a Website for the Nova Brittiania Provincia, and
the Provincia has also developed a series of ideas for bringing NR more
effectively before the general publc of the world. I am sure that other
members of NR in all areas have done some sililar things. Perhaps we
need a listing on the Web Page of these services to be at the fingertips
of our citizens, so they may be taken advantage of. Essentially all
that is needed now in any Provincia is to obtain some of these
broshures, translate them into the language of the Provincia and
distribute them as above, while designing a Website for each province
and later each Regio. For those Provincia not having a large percentage
of the population in possesion of computers then arrangements for clubs
could be made with the publishing of a simple one page newsletter which
could be included in the Eagle. These are beginning efforts, and later
may be supplemented by financial efforts that are bugeted for that
purpose.

There has been some talk of NR not truly being an International
Organization, but as Editor of the Eagle, I have recieved no notices,
bulletins, or news from any specific Province especially those Overseas.
For the Members of Overseas Provinces the Eagle would welcome such
information, and upon the development of, let's say, five interested
people in each province a special one page newsletter or more depending
upon the efforts available in the translation line, could be printed and
issued for that Province on a quarterly or semi-annual basis. Even
oftener as the assistance and funding allowed.

In closing, the above ideas are just a few off the top of my head, but I
am positive that the Citizens of Nova Roma will have many more ideas to
contribute towards this necssary effort. I urge you all to turn over
these ideas, and make your own known to the ultimate goal of stimulatng
some sort of International Exchange of information and the advertisement
of Nova Roma.

Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens

P.S.--By the way, does anyone know the meaning of the word Audens in
Latin?? This question came up yesterday, and I thought I would like to
know. I may be sorry I asked (Grin!!!!!!!)

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Nova Roma Before the World
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:26:41 -0000

Salve

>By the way, does anyone know the meaning of the word Audens in
>Latin?? This question came up yesterday, and I thought I would like to
>know. I may be sorry I asked (Grin!!!!!!!)
No sorry at all. Im means 'courageous', 'bold', 'brave'.

Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus


Subject:	Re: Voter codes
From:	Daniel Dreesbach dreesbach@--------
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:38:05 -0800 (PST)

Will new voter codes be sent out? I need a new one.

Gaius Iunius Germanus

Decius Iunius Palladius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------; wrote:

> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;

> Finally, I understand that many civvies votes' were wasted in the last
> election because participants did not follow the codes to which they have
> been assigned.
> I call on the current government to better instruct the citizens in the
> voting procedure and perhaps reissue voting codes so everyone can take part
> in the franchise this time around.

Yes, a handful of votes were not counted because people incorrectly
entered their voter codes. To repeat, you MUST enter your code EXACTLY as
it was given. This includes uppercase or lower case letters. Do not
substitute letters for numbers and vice versa. 0 is a number, O is a
letter. To put one in place of the other will invalidate your vote. Think
of it as a password. The best thing to do would be to cut and paste the
code directly from the message in which your code was sent.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius,
Censor

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Subject:	Audens--The Name
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:42:40 -0500 (EST)

Salve; Antonio Grilo;

WOW!!!! I'm glad I asked!! I was afraid it would be something like
"horse thief, coward, garbage or dirty clothes or etc.". Thanks a lot.

Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Digest Number 637
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@--------
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:35:25 -0600

On 25 Nov 99, at 8:09, <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> wrote:

> 50 flags have been produced as a limited first run, and are available for
> $12.95 each. Shipping in the US is an additional $2.00, overseas Citizens
> please inquire for shipping rates. Each vexillium flag comes with a
> numbered Certificate of issue as one of the first flags produced by Nova
> Roma.

We are interested. It would look wonderful on our fence!

Pac,

Amethystia Iunia Crystallina Materna


Subject:	Re: Digest Number 637
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@--------
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:37:15 -0600

On 25 Nov 99, at 8:09, <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> wrote:

> When the guys get
> together in Texas, I won't be able to go, because of the cost and the time
> it will take to get there and back.

eh? What? Where? I must have missed my invite :-(.

Pax,
Amethystia Iunia Crystallina Materna


Subject:	Re: Digest Number 637
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@--------
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:37:15 -0600


Subject:	Re: Digest Number 637
From:	"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@--------
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:42:46 -0600

On 25 Nov 99, at 8:09, <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> wrote:

>
> I remind everyone that the position is open in the upcoming elections
> (since I won't be running again), but be forewarned; it's a huge job. Be
> prepared to take on at least a couple of assistants (and have them lined
> up well in advance!). I will be more than happy to advise anyone
> contemplating running for Curator Araneum on the technical aspects of the
> web site as it currently stands.

I volunteered once before and I am willing to do it again. I will not
run for the office, but I will offer my services to whoever may run or
win the position.

I will not run for the position itself as my commitments are many
and increasing (more on that on the ViaTrames) and I do not feel
comfortable that I will have the time to give the site the attention it
deserves.

Pax,
Amethystia Iunia Crystallina Materna


Subject:	Re: Texas Gatherings?
From:	legion6@--------
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:12:07 -0800

Salve, Amethystia, et salvete omnes...

Dixit Minucius:
>> When the guys get together in Texas, I won't be able to
>> go, because of the cost and the time it will take to get
>> there and back.

et Amethystia respondet:
> eh? What? Where? I must have missed my invite :-(

y digo yo:
Err...I think that's in reference to your own offer of a monthly
'housewarming session' in your new digs...isn't it?

Laetitia et Pax,
-- Marius Fimbria
(Propraetor-ish) >({|:-)

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Subject:	Re: Voter codes
From:	Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@--------
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:49:00 -0500 (EST)

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, Daniel Dreesbach wrote:

>
> Will new voter codes be sent out? I need a new one.

Voter codes will only be sent to those citizens who have joined since the
last election, or those who inform us they never received one. Do you
still have the one you received before? It is still valid.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius,
Censor


Subject:	Re: Voter codes
From:	Daniel Dreesbach dreesbach@--------
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:15:34 -0800 (PST)

I do not have the voter code.

Gaius Iunius Germanus

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Subject:	Re: Nova Roma Before the World
From:	"Artem Kouzminykh" ural_liz@--------
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:46:37 PST

>Marcus Minucius Audens
>
>P.S.--By the way, does anyone know the meaning of the word Audens in
>Latin?? This question came up yesterday, and I thought I would like to
>know. I may be sorry I asked (Grin!!!!!!!)

The verb audere means "to dare", "to venture to (do) smth." Probably Audens
is the derivative from it.

A. Artorius Arius Sarmatus


Subject:	Re: Nova Roma Before the World
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:56:06 -0500 (EST)

A. Artorius Arius Sarmatus;

I thank you very much. That sounds very nice. I appreciate your
efforts extremely.

Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!