| Subject: |
Ballot for Comitia Centuriata |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:57:29 -0500 (EST) |
|
Salvete! Below are the candidates for office (and number of positions) and
proposed laws for the election starting Sunday:
1. Censor (1 position, you may cast one vote):
-- Lucius Cornelius Sulla
2. Consul (2 positions, you may cast 2 votes):
--Quintus Fabius Maximus
--Marcus Minucius Audens
3. Praetor (2 positions, you may cast 2 votes):
--Lucius Anneus Laurentius
--Appius Claudius Lucentius Nigellus
--Marcus Iunius Iulianus
--Antoninus Gryllus Graecus
4. Lex Iunia de Magistratuum Aetate
This law shall regulate the minimum age a person may hold specific
magistracies.
I. No person may assume the office of censor or consul until he or she
has reached the age of 27.
II. No person may assume the office of praetor or tribune of the plebs
until he or she has reached the age of 25.
III. No person may assume the office of quaestor, aedile, or be
appointed to the position of provincial governor, until he or she has
reached the age of 21.
IV. No person shall assume any office of the Vigintisexviri until he or
she has reached the age of 21.
V. This law shall regulate only those people who assume any of the
aforementioned offices after January 2, 2000 C.E. Any person holding one
of the aforementioned positions at the time of the passage of this law or
currently running for one of the regulated positions shall be exempt from
its provisions for the remainder of his or her current term.
VI. An exemption to this law may be granted to a person by the approval
of both censors and a senatus consultum approved by a two thirds majority
vote.
5. Lex Iunia Cornelia: Proposed Change in Article of Constitution:
Senatorial Review of Governors
This lex changes Article V Section C. of the Constitution to state:
"The Senate may, by Senatus Consultum, create provincia for
administrative purposes and to appoint provincial governors therefore.
The Senate may review each governor on a yearly basis and it remains in
the discretion of the Senate whether or not to prorogue such governors.
These governors may have assistants to handle the disbursements of any
funds that might come from the central government, as well as to manage
any local funds."
6. Lex Iunia Cornelia de Ratione Eligium
This law will modify the section III.C. of the Lex Vedia de Ratione
Eligium to read as the following:
"III.C. Within 48 hours of the deadline for voting, the rogatores shall
tally the votes and shall deliver the results to the magistrate who
called the comitia to order and his collegial magistrate. Only the
aggregate votes of the tribes and/or centuries (as appropriate) shall be
delivered; the votes of individual citizens shall be secret. The
magistrates shall announce the results of the vote within 24 hours of
receipt, in at least the same fora as the initial announcement was
made."
7. Lex Iunia Centuriata
This law shall modify paragraph II.B. of the Lex Vedia Centuriata by
eliminating the line: "5 Vigintisexviri or apparitores, current"
and inserting the following lines:
"10 Vigintisexviri, current
5 Vigintisexviri, past (each)
5 Apparitores"
Valete,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul
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| Subject: |
Re: Formal and informal Latin |
| From: |
Marius Fimbria legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 02 Dec 1999 05:03:28 -0600 (CST) |
|
Salve Laurenti, et salvete omnes...
[Disclaimer: 'The following is the sententia of L Marius Fimbria only
in his capacity as a private Citizen, and does not represent nor claim
to represent the official views of Nova Roma, Nova Roma Inc., or the
NovaRoma OneList.']
Scripsiste:
> For what I know, Latins employed 2 different languages: one for the
> common speechs and one for writing and public speechs.
Right--the fancy version is nowadays labelled 'Classical Latin', and
the Roman-in-the-street's version gets called 'Vulgar Latin' (from
'vulgus' = 'the crowd'); this was the Latin of the street-corner hawker
and the Legionary and the struggling provincial.
> from the "low-language" derived the Neolatin languages (Italian,
> French, Spanish, Portuguese and Romanian), whereas "high-latin" in
> Middleage became the language of the Church and of the Science.
Umm...actually, I'd been under the impression that Church Latin *and*
the Romance languages evolved from Vulgar Latin? That is why St.
Jerome's translation of the Bible into the everyday Latin of his time
(from Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic) was referred to as 'the Vulgate'...
Classical Latin lived on only as an almost artificial construct, to be
endlessly dissected by linguists and classicists who simply could not
admit that the language had evolved at all beyond Cicero. There are at
least three or four 'academic pronunciations' of Classical Latin, none
of which bear the remotest resemblance to anything that would have come
out of the mouth of a peninsular Italian of the Silver Age (1st-2nd
centuries CE). Maybe we can help change all that!!
Scientific Latin is yet another distinct variety; it's called
'Neo-Latin', is a modern invention (of the last 200 years or so), and
is not intended as a spoken language but rather as a word-factory--an
almost buffet-like composite of roots and stems and endings and
adaptations from which the coiner of terms may pick and choose at
leisure.
I am reminded of the scene in 'The Far Arena' where the one geologist
(who, despite his rustic background, was classically-educated) took
forever to figure out that the language the once-frozen man now
muttered in his sleep was in fact Latin; not only was it not perfectly
Ciceronian in grammar and structure, but it sounded 'too Italian'!
Yours under the Eagles,
************************************************************
Lucius Marius Fimbria |>[SPQR]<|
mka Märia Villarroel |\=/|
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> ( ~ 6 )~~~----...,,__
Roman Historical Re-Creationist `\*/, `` }`^~`,,, \ \
and Citizen of Nova Roma ``=.\ (__==\_ /\ }
'Just a-hangin' around the Universe, | | / )\ \| /
bein' a Roman... It's hard work, _|_| / _/_| /`(
but SOMEbody's gotta do it!!' /./..=' /./..'
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| Subject: |
Ballot for the Comitia Plebis Tributa |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:04:22 -0000 |
|
Salvete Civies! This Comitia is called to Session to vote for the
following offices:
-Tibunus Plebis (Tribune of the Plebs): (3 Candidates Total):
Gnaeus Tarquinius Caesar
Lucius Sergius Australicus
Marcus Virginius Iulianus
-Aedilis Plebis (Aedil of the Plebs): (1 Candidate Total):
Iulia Ovidia Luna
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Tribunus Plebis
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| Subject: |
Re: LOUD Commentary on Last Election |
| From: |
"Kyrene" kyrene@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:58:19 -0500 |
|
----- Original Message -----
From: Decius Iunius Palladius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 2:11 AM
Subject: [novaroma] LOUD Commentary on Last Election
> From: Decius Iunius Palladius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>
> In the past election, only 39 valid votes were cast. (7 other votes were
> cast as there was a problem with their voter codes but be that as it may
> it didn't affect the outcome or alter the turnout appreciably)
> Around 40 votes were cast. 40, out of a population of 337 (now
> 394) eligible voting citizens!!! 40 votes!!! On this list alone, which
> comprises most of Nova Roma's most active citizens, there are about 125
> people. (now 135) Even with duplicate addresses and lurking non-citizens,
> there are still over 100 citizens on this list. Where were you between
> October 4 and October 17th?!?!? No doubt you must have seen references to
Salve!
No, there is no excuse not to vote. As I recall during the last election
process, I did not vote because I didn't know a) when the votes were due by
b) who was running for whom and c) had a VERY busy week between the 4th and
the 17th.
Guarding myself (and maybe even others) against such things again, might I
have a few suggestions?
a) I am drowning in the numerous platforms given on email. Is there ANY
way to sum them all up in some reasonable format for people who don't even
KNOW half these people, or even a quarter? Like a listing on a website, and
you click on a link to their platform? Something like that. I cannot in
good conscience vote for these people if I am unable to read and digest
every single platform in email format, not to mention knowing what position
they're running for. I could flip a coin and vote anyway, but frankly, if
it came to that, I'd rather not vote at all.
b) I work from 9-6, 5 days a week, like most people do on this list. I
have very little time to check email nowadays. Hence if there's a bulletin
among other bulletins and they pretty much have the same title, they get
skimmed and most likely not read. Can there be an information page for
members on the website so people can get to it without wading through 100s
of emails just to find when the elections are being held?
If these improvements already exist, I haven't seen them or heard of them.
It's entirely possible that they were stuck in some email somewhere in the
pile that I have yet to read. I admit my lack of diligence in keeping up
with the current news, but I have, as the expression goes, "been living in
interesting times."
Vale et khaire,
-Kyrinia
-=* Kyrene Ariadne/Lolandrea Psikine'Aelanar *=-
-=* O'mra AirgeadFaol/Andrea Gladia Kyrinia *=-
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-=* <a href="http://pagan.drak.net/lolandrea/" target="_top" >http://pagan.drak.net/lolandrea/</a> *=-
-=* ~Amber's Domain~ *=-
-=* ICQ:6663573 Yahoo:KyreneAriadne AIM:KyreneAria *=-
|
| Subject: |
Re: Formal and informal Latin |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:14:46 -0500 |
|
Salvete Fimbria et alii
>From: Mariu--------mbria <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
>
>Classical Latin lived on only as an almost artificial construct, to be
>endlessly dissected by linguists and classicists who simply could not
>admit that the language had evolved at all beyond Cicero.
Hey! I resemble that remark!
There are at
>least three or four 'academic pronunciations' of Classical Latin, none
>of which bear the remotest resemblance to anything that would have come
>out of the mouth of a peninsular Italian of the Silver Age (1st-2nd
>centuries CE).
OK Fimbria....let us in on your secret...how do you know that the academic
pronunciation that I use doesn't bear "the remotest resemblance to anything
that would have come out of the mouth of a peninsular Italian of the Silver
Age" :)?
Now, I don't claim that my pronunciation wouldn't have drawn some raised
eyebrows, confusion and maybe laughter if I could be transported back in
time and space to ancient Rome....but I don't think that it's as far off as
the ecclesiastical pronunciation. The academic pronunciation that I use is
adapted from linguists' reconstruction of Latin phonetics, taking into
account the borrowing of Greek words, and the "evolution" of Latin words
into corresponding ones in the Romance languages.
This pronunciation may be only a remote approximation, but it's as good a
starting point as any, isn't it? Or should we pronounce Latin as though it
were Italian, pretending that Italian pronunciation has not changed nearly
as much as its grammar from the days of Rome?? Why not pronounce Latin as
though it were Spanish or Portuguese?
>
>I am reminded of the scene in 'The Far Arena' where the one geologist
>(who, despite his rustic background, was classically-educated) took
>forever to figure out that the language the once-frozen man now
>muttered in his sleep was in fact Latin; not only was it not perfectly
>Ciceronian in grammar and structure, but it sounded 'too Italian'!
It's unlikely, in my view, that a modern speaker of Italian would understand
Latin spoken by a Roman from "the Silver Age" (and vice versa), whether the
Roman was a pompous senator or a struggling provincial. Two closely related
but distinct languages. Does Italian sound exactly like Spanish? Maybe to
someone who has never bothered to listen to anyone speaking either, but
that's about it. The length and tension of syllables is completely
different, as are the tonal patterns.
>
>Yours under the Eagles,
Valete
C Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Apple Polishing??? |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:49:39 -0500 (EST) |
|
Salvete, Citizens of Nova Roma;
I have been criticized by a Citizen of Nova Roma for my praise of Consul
Palladius in a previous message. The particular comment that was
criticized follows:
"I am both pleased and proud to be able to serve with a magistrate such
as Consul Palladius who has the foresight and wit to act on such matters
with alicrity for te Benefit of NR."
The citizen's criticism read as follows:
"Aren't we apple polishing a bit hard here? Paternally----------------"
My response to the above citizen, I now share with you, because I
believe it to be meaningful both to my candidacy for Consul as well as
possibly shedding some light on the efforts of our hard-working
Magistrates. The name of the citizen is not important to my mind, and
in any case, it is my belief that personal message identification
between two correspondents should remain between those two
correspondents only.
MMA Response:
"--Oh, I don't think so. The comment was in response to a criticism of
the Consul's action in extending the (candidate) deadline, for what
appears was a very good reason and result. I am equally sure that had
more people not stepped forward, Consul Palladius would have been even
more severely criticized from more than one quarter for his
actions-------------"
In my further estimation the careful calculation of an unpopular action,
and the carrying out of that action with some modicum of success is the
mark of a Magistrate who is truly interested, past personal gain, in
this micronation. I believe that kind of action and risk, if you will,
deserves the appreciation and compliment of those who recognize the
effort.
Although you may not be privy to all that goes on within the government,
I tell you now, that Consul Palladius has endured my disagreement on
more than one occasion, as has Consul Sulla, Senators Cincinnatus,
Germanicus, Julianus,----------- and several others. When I disagree
with someone and I believe that disagreement is for the good of the
people of NR, I announce such, as I believe my Oath as Magistrate
requires me to do. But whether I announce it publicly or not, you may
be sure that it is somewhere registered. Since in less than a month
Consul Palladius will step down as Consul, it seems to me that the time
for "apple polishing" is well past even for a relative tyro in the
political line.
--------------------------No matter, my reasons for my actions are my
own and I thank you for the opportunity to once again bring before the
people of NR my admiration for the actions of an astute Magistrate."
Note: The dotted lines represent omissions from the original message
which might have identified the addressee. MMA
Valete, Citizens of Nova Roma;
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens;
Praetor et Senator;
Candidate For Consul
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Ballot for Comitia Centuriata |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" tinnekke@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:42:34 GMT |
|
Salve Palladius
Thank you for posting the ballot. Could someone please privately email me my
voter code because as of now, I do not have one.
Vale
Cypria
|
| Subject: |
Re: Ballot for Comitia Centuriata |
| From: |
GregTheRed@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:37:55 EST |
|
In a message dated 12/2/99 12:57:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a> writes:
<< Lex Iunia de Magistratuum Aetate
This law shall regulate the minimum age a person may hold specific
magistracies.
I. No person may assume the office of censor or consul until he or she
has reached the age of 27.
II. No person may assume the office of praetor or tribune of the plebs
until he or she has reached the age of 25.
III. No person may assume the office of quaestor, aedile, or be
appointed to the position of provincial governor, until he or she has
reached the age of 21.
IV. No person shall assume any office of the Vigintisexviri until he or
she has reached the age of 21.
V. This law shall regulate only those people who assume any of the
aforementioned offices after January 2, 2000 C.E. Any person holding one
of the aforementioned positions at the time of the passage of this law or
currently running for one of the regulated positions shall be exempt from
its provisions for the remainder of his or her current term. >>
Salvete!
As this is only my third day as a citizen of Nova Roma, this is my first
message on this mailing list. Although I hate to make my first message a
negative one, I feel I need to rise against this law on the ballot. I am
only 18 myself, and, although I do not plan to run for office in this next
term, or the term after that for that matter, I may wish to run befor I'm 21,
or 25, or 27.
I believe this type of distinction and social stratification is what
destroyed The Republic, and even old Roma as a whole. If we intend to grow
and prosper as an independent nation, we need to base our leadership on merit
and capability rather than on age.
Also, there have been many complaints that there are too few candidates;
if we expand the prerequisites for office, then we limit candidacies.
Thank you for listening to my rants,
Tiberius Augustulus Claudius
p.s. When are the elections? And how do I go about voting? Could someone
email me privately and fill me in on this? Thank you all. Please vote no
on this law!
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| Subject: |
Re: Ballot for the Comitia Populi Tributa |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:46:35 -0500 |
|
Salvete Consul Luci Corneli et alii
Please tell us exactly when voting begins and ends. Any time given will be
time in Rome, Italy by default, of course.
>From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
>Lex Cornelia de Privatus Rebus
>
This is a good law in its intentions. I would have liked it to be perhaps a
little more specific, though, including legal name, adress, birthdate,
social security number as specific types of information that would be
protected. Also, the law as written would seem to prohibit use of the
information by the curator differum and curator sermonum (without
application to the censores), even though those officials are actually the
ones who routinely collect and use such information.
In fact, I see no reason at all for a consul to be able to obtain this
information, except from the censores, like any other magistrate. Could you
explain your rationale for granting the consules the power to demand this
information from lower magistrates?
>Confidential information will consist of information obtained on the
>application for citizenship and on the e-mail address list that can be
>obtained from Onelist. This shall also include subscription lists from
>the Eagle newsletter.
>
>Censors and Consuls are to be the only individuals who have access to
>this information. However, in the event that a lower magistrate might
>need some of the information, they are to apply to the Censors to obtain
>that information.
>
>Only magistrates or approved magisterial assistants may have possession
>of confidential information.
>
>Valete!
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla
>Consul
>
Valete
C Marius Merullus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Apple Polishing??? |
| From: |
"Dux Bellorum" dux@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:56:37 -0000 |
|
----- Original Message -----
From: James Mathe--------lt;a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 3:49 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Apple Polishing???
> From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/font>
>
> Salvete, Citizens of Nova Roma;
>
> I have been criticized by a Citizen of Nova Roma for my praise of Consul
> Palladius in a previous message. The particular comment that was
> criticized follows:
>
> "I am both pleased and proud to be able to serve with a magistrate such
> as Consul Palladius who has the foresight and wit to act on such matters
> with alicrity for te Benefit of NR."
>
> The citizen's criticism read as follows:
>
> "Aren't we apple polishing a bit hard here? Paternally----------------"
>
> My response to the above citizen, I now share with you, because I
> believe it to be meaningful both to my candidacy for Consul as well as
> possibly shedding some light on the efforts of our hard-working
> Magistrates. The name of the citizen is not important to my mind, and
> in any case, it is my belief that personal message identification
> between two correspondents should remain between those two
> correspondents only.
>
> MMA Response:
>
> "--Oh, I don't think so. The comment was in response to a criticism of
> the Consul's action in extending the (candidate) deadline, for what
> appears was a very good reason and result. I am equally sure that had
> more people not stepped forward, Consul Palladius would have been even
> more severely criticized from more than one quarter for his
> actions-------------"
>
> In my further estimation the careful calculation of an unpopular action,
> and the carrying out of that action with some modicum of success is the
> mark of a Magistrate who is truly interested, past personal gain, in
> this micronation. I believe that kind of action and risk, if you will,
> deserves the appreciation and compliment of those who recognize the
> effort.
>
> Although you may not be privy to all that goes on within the government,
> I tell you now, that Consul Palladius has endured my disagreement on
> more than one occasion, as has Consul Sulla, Senators Cincinnatus,
> Germanicus, Julianus,----------- and several others. When I disagree
> with someone and I believe that disagreement is for the good of the
> people of NR, I announce such, as I believe my Oath as Magistrate
> requires me to do. But whether I announce it publicly or not, you may
> be sure that it is somewhere registered. Since in less than a month
> Consul Palladius will step down as Consul, it seems to me that the time
> for "apple polishing" is well past even for a relative tyro in the
> political line.
>
> --------------------------No matter, my reasons for my actions are my
> own and I thank you for the opportunity to once again bring before the
> people of NR my admiration for the actions of an astute Magistrate."
>
> Note: The dotted lines represent omissions from the original message
> which might have identified the addressee. MMA
>
> Valete, Citizens of Nova Roma;
> Very Respectfully;
> Marcus Minucius Audens;
> Praetor et Senator;
> Candidate For Consul
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
> >
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| Subject: |
ATTN: Addition to the ballot of the Comitia Plebis Tributa |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:55:04 -0000 |
|
Salvete cives
I hereby add the following lex to be voted by the Comitia Plebis Tributa:
----------------------------Lex Crylla de prorogandis
magistratibus---------------------------------------------
Latine:
Si deerit candidatorum in ullum officium in Decembre plebs Senatum
potestatem corrigere hanc inopiam utro e secundis modis statuit
Magistratum iam in officio prorogare unum annum novum magistratu volente
aut
Magistratum iam in officio prorogare tres menses novos magistratu volente ut
in officium candidatus ambiat Si denuo candidatorum deerit Senatus
potestatem habebit magistratum iam in officio prorogare reliquum annum
magistratu volente atque si tum hic manere in officio nollet vel non poterit
Senatus potestatem habebit suffecti magistratus designandi in reliquum annum
English:
If no candidates declare for any office in December, the plebeian order
resolves that the Senate has the authority to correct the situation by
either of the following methods:
By extending by one year the term of the magistrate serving in that office,
with the consent of that magistrate, or
By extending by three months the term of the magistrate serving in that
office, with the consent of that
magistrate. If within those additional three months no candidate declares
for the office, the Senate will then have the authority to extend the
serving magistrates term for the remainder of the year; if the serving
magistrate is at that time no longer able or willing to continue to serve,
the Senate will have the authority to appoint a replacement for the
remainder of the year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------
I thank both Merullo and Audens for their work on this lex.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Tribunus Plebis
|
| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: Addition to the ballot of the Comitia Plebis Tributa |
| From: |
GregTheRed@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:03:58 EST |
|
In a message dated 12/2/99 12:58:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> writes:
<<
English:
If no candidates declare for any office in December, the plebeian order
resolves that the Senate has the authority to correct the situation by
either of the following methods:
By extending by one year the term of the magistrate serving in that office,
with the consent of that magistrate, or
By extending by three months the term of the magistrate serving in that
office, with the consent of that
magistrate. If within those additional three months no candidate declares
for the office, the Senate will then have the authority to extend the
serving magistrates term for the remainder of the year; if the serving
magistrate is at that time no longer able or willing to continue to serve,
the Senate will have the authority to appoint a replacement for the
remainder of the year. >>
Salvete!
Look at me, I'm a regular political activist! I rise in support of this
law!
Tiberius Augustulus Claudius
|
| Subject: |
Re: Ballot for Comitia Centuriata |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:25:59 -0500 (EST) |
|
Tiberius Agustus Claudius;
Salve, Roman;
Welcome to Nova Roma!! The normal procedure for admission to Nova Roma
is to apply for citizenship through the Censores. The Censores response
when you have been registered and granted citizenship should be a letter
notifying you of such, and either with the letter, or at some later time
you should recieve a Voter Code ( a series of letters and numbers which
must be used exactly as they are printed) for your use in Voting. If
you have any questions regarding that aspect of your mmbership you
should refer to the following address with your questions:
--<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=137056234112193209184232203101129208071" >Ce--------es@--------</a>
In regard to your citizenship in Nova Roma, I greet you with open arms
as a Roman, and hope that your stay with us will be a long. prosperous
and enjoyable one. If you have any questions which are not answered by
the website, then feel free to call upon me. I may not know all the
answers , but I usually know where they can be found.
In regard to your opposition to the proposed law limiting the age of
Magistrates, I would ask that you consider the following:
This question has been debated within Nova Roma for some time both from
the positions of the older and the younger members. We have pretty much
agreed that there is no hard and fast rule that determines the
attributes of a suitable candidate for office, however the following
points have been made:
--That the Magistrates have in thier hands the power to make decisions
which affect thier constituents, and as such those constituents have the
right to a Magistrate who has the attributes of being able to make tough
decisions, being able to respond without destroying or attempting to
destroy another's credibility, and one who has had some life experience
on which to base his / her decisions;
--That the Magistrates must have in some measure the ability to
recognize real problems from apparent ones and the background to be able
to determine possible paths of endeavor as oppsed to those paths which
for whatever reason are not currently feasible.
Now I am well aware that age alone does not necessarily regulate those
attributes alone, and I am fully aware that while there are "some" 18
year old citizns who are probably much more mature than "some" much
older citizens, the general view of life experience, maturity, decision
ability, communication skills, and moderation is regulated to the older
citizens. Now I am also aware that while it is impossible to walk into
a room full of people and ask all the "good guys" to raise thier hand
with any possibility of determining the good from the bad, so it is
impossible to do the same with the question "who here is mature enough
to represent others effectively?"
So the last part of the proposed law allows exemptions to be made based
upon a demonstration of the maturity and other attributes needed to be a
suitable candidate. I am also aware that a good portion of younger
people have the feeling that the requirements listed above are a little
"silly", and I will admit that when I was 18 years of age I certainly
didn't understand how my parents could be so blind as they were to the
obvious. My only saving grace during those years was that when I turned
21 I was amazed to find out how much my father and mother and thier
older friends and relatives had learned in a mere three years.
I am one of the older members, and I have worked with younger people all
my life, I admire them, I applaud thier energy, and their enthusiasm,
and thier ideas. I can see that for the most part we are in good hands
in the future, but I also see a need for guidance during a period when
enthusiasm, energy and new ideas, tend to overwhelm, the right of all to
be heard, the courtesy that all may expect, and above all the
knowledgable consideration of a decision which may effect many people
whose needs may differ significantly from those of the person making the
decision. Often a younger person simply has no knowledge of those
special needs simply because they have not entered his / her world
previously, for instance, I did not realize the degree of a debilitating
desease that is common among my age group simply because those who have
experienced it seldom if ever complain, and the description of it is
just not found anywhere. So, that is the need for some semblance of
life experience and maturity in my estimation. I ask that you give the
above some patient consideration, and focus on earning the exemption
that is provided for if you are one of those who has the maturity
without the age.
Again wecome to Nova Roma. I hope to see your name "in lights" during
your stay with us.
Vale, Roman;
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Praetor et Senator
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
How to vote was Ballot for Comitia Centuriata |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:45:08 -0500 |
|
Salvete Tiberi Augustule et alii
Welcome to Nova Roma. I hope that your experience here is rewarding.
Thanks for the opportunity to repeat guidelines for voting:
As a citizen, you will have received by e-mail prior to the session of the
Comitia Centuriata a voter code. Enter the voter code in the space
indicated on the online ballot form EXACTLY as the code is provided to you
in the e-mail. Do not alter, omit or insert any character in the voter
code.
If you don't receive a voter code, contact the censores at
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=219056234112193209090218066036129208" >ce--------s@--------</a>. Noo--------lse ca--------ve you a valid voter code.
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=244212192108059125184229163208114253071048139" >GregTheRed@--------</--------;
>
>p.s. When are the elections?
The Comitia Centuriata goes into session on Sunday, as stated in Consul
Palladius' announcement to which you just replied; I don't recall seeing a
specific time there. The other two assemblies, Comitia Plebis Tributa and
Comitia Populi Tributa are also about to go into session, but I have not
received the specific date or time for those two.
And how do I go about voting?
There is usually a link to the online ballot form (or cista as it is
sometimes called) on the main page of the website. I believe that such a
link will appear there within the next few days. If not, we'll receive
instruction on where to go to vote. Thanks to our curator araneae, F Vedius
Germanicus, the ballot forms are always easy to use, just follow the
guidelines that I provided above to enter your voter code before you submit
your ballot form.
Could someone
>email me privately and fill me in on this?
Since everyone needs the information, I have decided to provide it
publically.
Thank you all.
Thank you too for your interest.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
rogator
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| Subject: |
Re: Ballot for the Comitia Populi Tributa |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:04:51 -0500 (EST) |
|
Salve, Consul Sulla;
Sir: In regard to the proposed Lex Cornelia de Privatus Rebus, you
mention the use of Confidential Information which certainly must consist
of given names, addresses, and dates to which the Eagle subscriptions
are paid up to.
This information to the best of my knowledge is of periodic necessity to
the Curator Differum for use in mailing out the Eagle to the NR
subscribers. Why this information would be of use or to the need of a
Consul, I am at loss to say, and I believe that the information on
expiration dates for the Eagle issues are only currently held by the
Curator Differum, and that information is required by no-one else.
I respectfully submit sir, that the Curator Differum requires access to
this information without the necessity of contacting the Censors on the
basis of two thesis:
--Uneccessary work for an already overloaded task;
--The necessity of periodic referral to the information on frequent
occasion for the mailing of the monthly Eagle as well as contacting any
of those whose subscription may be approaching the end and have
indicated to the Curator Differum that they wish to be notifed of such.
I respectfully request a review of your proposed law to determine if the
above information may be incorporated into the proposal in some more
practical way.
Vale, Consul Sulla;
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audems
Curator Differum (Eagle Editor)
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
|
| Subject: |
Graecos vel Danaos |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:05:17 PST |
|
Salvete, Merulle et alii
>Non eos at eorum timebam
>
>By which I mean to say "I didn't fear them (?the Greeks, right? - why
>Danaos
>and not graecos?) but feared for them".
- You missed my nerdy allusion to the Aeneid (remember Cassandra saying:
'Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes'?)(Usually mistranslated as "Beware Greeks
bearing gifts")(calling them 'Danaans' is a mock-Homeric epithet).
>Anyway, thanks for the very comforting information. Maybe I'll try to take
>that trip to Greece in my lifetime after all....
- You won't regret it, Merulle.
Valete, amici,
Vado.
|
| Subject: |
Re: LOUD Commentary on Last Election |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:18:39 -0800 |
|
Kyrene wrote:
&--------From: "Kyrene" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200028091056078198015242190036129" &--------yrene@--------</a&--------/font>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Decius Iunius Palladius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>
> To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 2:11 AM
> Subject: [novaroma] LOUD Commentary on Last Election
>
> > From: Decius Iunius Palladius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>
> > In the past election, only 39 valid votes were cast. (7 other votes were
> > cast as there was a problem with their voter codes but be that as it may
> > it didn't affect the outcome or alter the turnout appreciably)
> > Around 40 votes were cast. 40, out of a population of 337 (now
> > 394) eligible voting citizens!!! 40 votes!!! On this list alone, which
> > comprises most of Nova Roma's most active citizens, there are about 125
> > people. (now 135) Even with duplicate addresses and lurking non-citizens,
> > there are still over 100 citizens on this list. Where were you between
> > October 4 and October 17th?!?!? No doubt you must have seen references to
>
> Salve!
>
> No, there is no excuse not to vote. As I recall during the last election
> process, I did not vote because I didn't know a) when the votes were due by
> b) who was running for whom and c) had a VERY busy week between the 4th and
> the 17th.
>
Well we have it set for 2 weeks or longer so that everyone has a chance to
vote. When I voted, it took all of 5 min to actually cast a ballot. In the
United States, (just as an example) you only have one day from 7 am til 8 pm. I
should know I worked for the Registrar of Voters. In comparison to that, Nova
Roma is extremely flexible.
>
> Guarding myself (and maybe even others) against such things again, might I
> have a few suggestions?
>
> a) I am drowning in the numerous platforms given on email. Is there ANY
> way to sum them all up in some reasonable format for people who don't even
> KNOW half these people, or even a quarter? Like a listing on a website, and
> you click on a link to their platform? Something like that. I cannot in
> good conscience vote for these people if I am unable to read and digest
> every single platform in email format, not to mention knowing what position
> they're running for. I could flip a coin and vote anyway, but frankly, if
> it came to that, I'd rather not vote at all.
>
Why dont you contact them via e-mail? When they announce their candidacy and if
you dont know them, why dont you contact them? They are announcing their
candidacy and trying to volunteer their time....Couldnt the People, who are
interested in their campaign contact them if they wanted additional information?
>
> b) I work from 9-6, 5 days a week, like most people do on this list. I
> have very little time to check email nowadays. Hence if there's a bulletin
> among other bulletins and they pretty much have the same title, they get
> skimmed and most likely not read. Can there be an information page for
> members on the website so people can get to it without wading through 100s
> of emails just to find when the elections are being held?
>
But you do have weekends correct? Given the above exampled comparison between
the United States Registrar of Voters and Nova Roma, I believe Nova Roma has
accomodated the Citizens of Nova Roma?
Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Consul
|
| Subject: |
Re: LOUD Commentary on Last Election |
| From: |
"Kyrene" kyrene@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:19:16 -0500 |
|
----- Original Message -----
From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] LOUD Commentary on Last Election
> Well we have it set for 2 weeks or longer so that everyone has a chance to
> vote. When I voted, it took all of 5 min to actually cast a ballot. In
the
> United States, (just as an example) you only have one day from 7 am til 8
pm. I
> should know I worked for the Registrar of Voters. In comparison to that,
Nova
> Roma is extremely flexible.
Yes, and the last couple of elections here in the States, I filled out an
absentee ballot. :) I think they hold voting right here in my apartment
complex, but I haven't looked into it yet. Will once presidential elections
come around.
> Why dont you contact them via e-mail? When they announce their candidacy
and if
> you dont know them, why dont you contact them? They are announcing their
> candidacy and trying to volunteer their time....Couldnt the People, who
are
> interested in their campaign contact them if they wanted additional
information?
I don't have time to send out 20+ emails, let alone sift through all the
petitions to know who's running. :( I only have time to send maybe a
couple a day to friends. I had time to write this today because I took a
sick day.
I don't even know who all the candidates *ARE*. All that I know is that my
email box has been flooded with petitions and platforms. It's very
overwhelming.
> But you do have weekends correct? Given the above exampled comparison
between
> the United States Registrar of Voters and Nova Roma, I believe Nova Roma
has
> accomodated the Citizens of Nova Roma?
I've spent nearly every other weekend away from my apartment, or I've had
visitors. To date in the past three months, I've had all of maybe two
weekends to myself, in my apartment. I exaggerate not.
If the information were more digestable, I could easily pick up not only the
time to vote, but the information needed to do so.
Vale et khaire,
-Kyrinia
-=* Kyrene Ariadne/Lolandrea Psikine'Aelanar *=-
-=* O'mra AirgeadFaol/Andrea Gladia Kyrinia *=-
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-=* <a href="http://pagan.drak.net/lolandrea/" target="_top" >http://pagan.drak.net/lolandrea/</a> *=-
-=* ~Amber's Domain~ *=-
-=* ICQ:6663573 Yahoo:KyreneAriadne AIM:KyreneAria *=-
|
| Subject: |
Re: Re: Ballot for the Comitia Populi Tributa |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:27:30 -0800 |
|
RMerullo wrote:
> From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
> Salvete Consul Luci Corneli et alii
>
> Please tell us exactly when voting begins and ends. Any time given will be
> time in Rome, Italy by default, of course.
>
> >From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
> >
>
> >Lex Cornelia de Privatus Rebus
> >
> This is a good law in its intentions. I would have liked it to be perhaps a
> little more specific, though, including legal name, adress, birthdate,
> social security number as specific types of information that would be
> protected. Also, the law as written would seem to prohibit use of the
> information by the curator differum and curator sermonum (without
> application to the censores), even though those officials are actually the
> ones who routinely collect and use such information.
>
> In fact, I see no reason at all for a consul to be able to obtain this
> information, except from the censores, like any other magistrate. Could you
> explain your rationale for granting the consules the power to demand this
> information from lower magistrates?
>
I hope I understand you correctly, it is my intention that the Censors and
Consuls should have access at all times to this information. But, if lower
magistrates need the documents they can apply to the Censors or Consuls to get
the necessary infomration.
L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul
>
> >Confidential information will consist of information obtained on the
> >application for citizenship and on the e-mail address list that can be
> >obtained from Onelist. This shall also include subscription lists from
> >the Eagle newsletter.
> >
> >Censors and Consuls are to be the only individuals who have access to
> >this information. However, in the event that a lower magistrate might
> >need some of the information, they are to apply to the Censors to obtain
> >that information.
> >
> >Only magistrates or approved magisterial assistants may have possession
> >of confidential information.
> >
> >Valete!
> >
> >Lucius Cornelius Sulla
> >Consul
> >
> Valete
>
> C Marius Merullus
>
>
|
| Subject: |
Re: Ballot for the Comitia Populi Tributa |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:56:02 -0500 |
|
Salvete Consul Luci Corneli et alii
>From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
>>> Please tell us exactly when voting begins and ends. Any time given will
be
>> time in Rome, Italy by default, of course.
>>
We still need to know this, Consul :).
>> >
>>
>> >Lex Cornelia de Privatus Rebus
>> >
>I hope I understand you correctly, it is my intention that the Censors and
>Consuls should have access at all times to this information.
The consules don't need to have access to this information at all times, do
they? If so, what for, exactly?
The censores are the keepers and reviewers of all citizen information in NR,
so I understand that they are to have access to the information at all
times. But, any law on privacy should stipulate that the censores KEEP
CITIZENS' CENSORIAL INFORMATION AWAY from other magistrates, no exceptions,
at all times. All magistrates should have to make specific application,
with explanation, to the censores to get this information -- including,
maybe especially the consules -- because they have the most power and can
therefore do the most harm by abusing their offices.
But, if lower
>magistrates need the documents they can apply to the Censors or Consuls to
get
>the necessary infomration.
In the normal course of fulfilling his/her duties, the curator differum and
curator sermonum are going to have access to this type of information --
legal name and address at the least (think about it -- I don't get the
Eagle when I expect it, I send a message to the curator differum "where's my
Eagle", he replies "what's your address, smarty?" and then he has my
address -- otherwise, I don't get my Eagle). Your law, by not referring
specifically to these two offices, means, as Audens has pointed out, that
these two magistrates will perpetually have to apply to the censores to
receive information that they either already have or must have in order to
do the minimum of their jobs.
In other words, under your law as written, someone who has nothing better to
do could complain that the curator differum has no right to use his mailing
address to send him his Eagle every month ( stranger things have happened
:))! And some poor NR magistrate would really have to investigate the
curator differum, because, in fact, it would be illegal for the curator
differum to have that address without applying to the censores for it.
Please, remove the consular automatic access to private information, and
replace it with a clause that recognizes that the curator sermonum and
curator differum can independently acquire and maintain this information,
but not divulge it to anyone (unless by a subpoena of a municipal authority
or however you want to say it). Do that, and you have a good law, maybe the
most necessary and effective law yet to see a vote in NR. Leave it as is,
and you have a law that makes our lives just a little harder and suckier.
>
>L. Cornelius Sulla
>Consul
>
>>
Valete
C Marius Merullus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Re: Ballot for the Comitia Populi Tributa |
| From: |
"RCW" alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:38:14 -0800 |
|
----- Original Message -----
From: RMerullo <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:56 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Ballot for the Comitia Populi Tributa
> From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
> Salvete Consul Luci Corneli et alii
>
>
>
> >From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
> >
> >>> Please tell us exactly when voting begins and ends. Any time given
will
> be
> >> time in Rome, Italy by default, of course.
> >>
>
>
> We still need to know this, Consul :).
Yes, we do and as soon as I am home from work, I will post that for you.
Currently from my memory Dec. 4 is the beginning of the polling period. I
have the date the voting ends on my home computer.
> >> >
> >>
> >> >Lex Cornelia de Privatus Rebus
> >> >
> >I hope I understand you correctly, it is my intention that the Censors
and
> >Consuls should have access at all times to this information.
>
> The consules don't need to have access to this information at all times,
do
> they? If so, what for, exactly?
>
> The censores are the keepers and reviewers of all citizen information in
NR,
> so I understand that they are to have access to the information at all
> times. But, any law on privacy should stipulate that the censores KEEP
> CITIZENS' CENSORIAL INFORMATION AWAY from other magistrates, no
exceptions,
> at all times. All magistrates should have to make specific application,
> with explanation, to the censores to get this information -- including,
> maybe especially the consules -- because they have the most power and can
> therefore do the most harm by abusing their offices.
Sulla: Yes, I see that point. The reason why I included Censorial
information was just to stipulate who had access. And, since more
information is included as Confidential, such as E-mail subscriber lists and
Eagle subscription lists, this information, the Censors might not have...and
if perchance they ever needed access to it, they can get it. I was just
spelling it out clearly.
> But, if lower
> >magistrates need the documents they can apply to the Censors or Consuls
to
> get
> >the necessary infomration.
>
> In the normal course of fulfilling his/her duties, the curator differum
and
> curator sermonum are going to have access to this type of information --
> legal name and address at the least (think about it -- I don't get the
> Eagle when I expect it, I send a message to the curator differum "where's
my
> Eagle", he replies "what's your address, smarty?" and then he has my
> address -- otherwise, I don't get my Eagle). Your law, by not referring
> specifically to these two offices, means, as Audens has pointed out, that
> these two magistrates will perpetually have to apply to the censores to
> receive information that they either already have or must have in order to
> do the minimum of their jobs.
>
> In other words, under your law as written, someone who has nothing better
to
> do could complain that the curator differum has no right to use his
mailing
> address to send him his Eagle every month ( stranger things have happened
> :))! And some poor NR magistrate would really have to investigate the
> curator differum, because, in fact, it would be illegal for the curator
> differum to have that address without applying to the censores for it.
>
> Please, remove the consular automatic access to private information, and
> replace it with a clause that recognizes that the curator sermonum and
> curator differum can independently acquire and maintain this information,
> but not divulge it to anyone (unless by a subpoena of a municipal
authority
> or however you want to say it). Do that, and you have a good law, maybe
the
> most necessary and effective law yet to see a vote in NR. Leave it as is,
> and you have a law that makes our lives just a little harder and suckier.
Sulla: I have seen yours and Praetor Audens points. The lex will be
rewritten to include both Curator Differum and Sermonem, so that they will
have access to make their job easier to accomplish. It will be reposted
tonite when I get home from work. :)
L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul
|
| Subject: |
Re: Re: Ballot for the Comitia Populi Tributa |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:03:11 -0500 (EST) |
|
Salve, Consul Sulla;
Sir; I thank you for your quick response to my concerns, and your
promised action thereof.
Vale, Consul Sulla;
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Praetor et Senator;
Candidate For Consul
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
|
| Subject: |
Re: LOUD Commentary on Last Election |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:24:35 EST |
|
In a message dated 12/2/99 5:06:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200028091056078198015242190036129" &--------yrene@--------</a&--------writes:
<< If the information were more digestable, I could easily pick up not only
the
time to vote, but the information needed to do so.
>>
Salvete,
It's true that the Election info could be much more digestable! Perhaps now
that the period for candidate applications is over, there could be a limited
time "election web page" posted with the following info:
1. What laws/positions are being voted on.
2. The deadline for voting.
3. A brief sentence on where and HOW to vote.
4. A brief description of each magisterial position being voted on, with a
brief statement from each candidate, so that voters can at least gain enough
preliminary info to ask more questions.
Such info could probably be put up as one or two text pages. If someone can
come up with all, or at least most of that info, I'd be happy to post it on a
web page for the duration of the election period! :)
Vale,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
|
| Subject: |
RE: LOUD Commentary on Last Election |
| From: |
legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:30:40 -0800 |
|
Salvete omnes...
Kyrinia scripsit:
:If the information were more digestable, I could easily :pick
up not only the time to vote, but the information :needed to
do so.
Last year we had a special Election Edition of the Eagle; it
featured portraits and statements of the candidates and a paper
ballot on the last page so the reader could submit it by snail-mail
if s/he liked. The Citizen's voter code was on the address label!
Very useful, that edition, and an excellent idea for next time
(assuming things have stabilized a bit).
But of course that did not happen without a lot of planning;
the candidates were asked to start submitting their 'platform-statements'
as early as September or October, IIRC, whereas this year we
have not had enough time between elections to catch our breath...and
the poor candidates for the major magistracies must be catching
themselves coming and going!
Yours under the Eagles,
-- L Marius Fimbria
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| Subject: |
Re: RE: LOUD Commentary on Last Election |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Dec 1999 23:49:54 -0500 (EST) |
|
Salve, Fimbria;
Yeah I heard about that issue of Eagle. In November, but I didn't
realize that it had all that stuff in it. You are right about the being
busy, as the Curator Differum I have been responsible for the Eagle and
running for office in both campaigns. Kind of a problem.
I just put my Candidate Brief on the NR Message Board for those
interested and sent the Brief to Cassius to make things easier for the
Citizens. Thanks for the support.
Vale, Tribune;
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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