| Subject: |
Re: Re: Comments on the Contra Corneliam legem - |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 00:46:26 EST |
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In a message dated 12/4/99 3:46:09 PM Pacific Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> writes:
Salvete Fabi et alii
>> Obviously, the fact that one person may not care who knows his name,
address, date of birth et cetera has absolutely no bearing on the importance
of safeguarding that information for the rest of us. It's a little
disconcerting to hear a candidate for consul even mention in passing selling
citizens' information. >>
Salve Gaius Marius Merullus!
Exactly my point. This is unneeded law. We are not going to be selling any
addresses anywere.
Vale
Q. Fabius.
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: Change to the Lex Crylla de prorogandis magistratibus |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:24:41 -0000 |
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Salve
>I have a question, even though I am a Patrician, what if no Plebian Senator
>wants to serve in those capacities?
One must be chosen. The Senate must decide.
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
-----Original Message-----
From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Saturday, December 04, 1999 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] ATTN: Change to the Lex Crylla de prorogandis
magistratibus
>From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
>Salve!
>
>I have a question, even though I am a Patrician, what if no Plebian Senator
>wants to serve in those capacities?
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla
>Consul
>
>Antonio Grilo wrote:
>
>> From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
>>
>> Salvete cives
>>
>> As pointed out by Consul Palladius, the Lex Crylla de prorogandis
>> magistratibus simply confirms the powers already assigned to the Senate
in
>> the Constitution. Nevertheless, this is not enough.
>> The plebeians have the right to two Tribuni Plebis and two Aediles
Plebis.
>> In case there are no candidates to occupy these positions, the senate
MUST
>> guarantee the rights of the plebeians by appointing its members as
needed.
>> Lex Crylla de prorogandis magistratibus is removed from the ballot and
>> changed to the following (I'm going to insert only the English version.
The
>> Latin version will be included as well in the Aerarium if the lex is
>> approved)
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> Lex Crylla de securandis magistratus plebis
>>
>> If no candidates for Tribunus Plebis or Aedilis Plebis declare in
December,
>> the Senate must provide for those magistrates by either of the following
>> methods:
>> - By extending by one year the term of the magistrate serving in that
>> office,
>> with the consent of that magistrate, or
>> - By appointing senators to serve the required magistrate positions.
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Valete omnes
>> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>>
>>
>
>>
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| Subject: |
Re: re: ATTN: Change to the Lex Crylla de prorogandis magistratibus |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:26:54 -0000 |
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Salve
>Yes, why only Senators? I believe you are narrowing the field of selection
far too much. I suggest you >amend the final line to read "By appointing
Senators or private citizens to serve the required >magistrates postitions."
It may also be wise to include a time frame for the Senate to operate within
>(ie by when must the Senate fill the position).
1st- 'Senator' must be more than a title. If one wants to serve as Senator,
he/she must be able to occupy any office as needed.
2nd- In order not to make elections and candidacy timelines with no
importance. Peple must learn to be responsible.
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
-----Original Message-----
From: <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=137166192112158209015147190036129" >Caesar@--------</a> <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=137166192112158209015147190036129" >Caesar@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Saturday, December 04, 1999 10:25 PM
Subject: [novaroma] re: ATTN: Change to the Lex Crylla de prorogandis
magistratibus
>From: <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=137166192112158209015147190036129" >Caesar@--------</a>
>
>Salvete iternum.
>
>
><<> Lex Crylla de securandis magistratus plebis
>>
>> If no candidates for Tribunus Plebis or Aedilis Plebis declare in
December,
>> the Senate must provide for those magistrates by either of the following
>> methods:
>> - By extending by one year the term of the magistrate serving in that
>> office,
>> with the consent of that magistrate, or
>> - By appointing senators to serve the required magistrate positions.>>
>
><<Sulla:
>I have a question, even though I am a Patrician, what if no Plebian Senator
>wants to serve in those capacities?>>
>
>Yes, why only Senators? I believe you are narrowing the field of selection
far too much. I suggest you amend the final line to read "By appointing
Senators or private citizens to serve the required magistrates postitions."
It may also be wise to include a time frame for the Senate to operate within
(ie by when must the Senate fill the position).
>
>Valete,
>Gnaeus Tarquinius
>
>>
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Comments on the Contra Corneliam legem - |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
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| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 09:58:15 -0500 (EST) |
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Salvete, Citizons of Nova Roma;
Perhaps Q. Fabius has forgotten, but I believe that the organizaton of
Nova Roma has guaranteed to the applicants for citizenship to this
micronation that the information contained in that application package
would remain confidential. For me that is a promise, that I am required
to keep to the best of my ability, The best of my ability seems to me
to take part in and review suitable procedures to insure that the
promise is kept,. Since I do not personnally have the ability to store
all the Confidential Information in a wall safe and distribute it
according to my own lights of the above guarantee, I believe that the
next best thing is to develop a legal procedure for the use and retenton
of this information, and make that into a law, Consul Sulla has done
that and Rogator Merrullus has reviewed the law and made some
suggestions to smooth it up.
I have every confidence that you as the Citizens of Nova Roma will see
the wisdom of this exercise in government that is necessary to keep Nova
Roma's promise to you.
I could not agree more with Q. Fabius' statement that we need more
face-to-face meetings in NR. However, I am not sure how that relates to
keeping Confidential Information Confdential. Roman Days in Maryland (a
state in the U.S. along the Eastern Seaboard just North of Virginia) was
just one of many options for a face-to-face meeting / event. There was
an earlier meeting of just a few people south of Boston in a small town
called Salem, Massachusetts and we are planning for a local meeting in
Uxbridge Massachusetts in about a week (massachusetts being a small
state in the U.S. along the north and east Seaboard). There have been a
coupe of meetings in California (a state in the U.S. on the Western
Seaboard) and I believe there has in the past been one or two dinner
meetings in the Provincia of Britannia. However, those were for the
most part Provincia Meetings and we need to organize something more
national / international in nature.
That is one of the "planks of my platform" for my Candidacy for Consul.
We have found that due to expence, time and distance, the preference,
from those who have contacted us in response to our requests for ideas,
would be for an international activity / event / meeting once every two
years being the most suitable, in an area as centralized as possible to
the most of the NR population, or in a place which has a large "draw" in
the aspect of Roman Culture such as Rome, Hadrian's Wall or any other
areas that may be suitable. This needs to be planned ahead, and that
needs the following:
Suggested Basic Plan:
--Decide on a place and time for the meeting;
>>Rome, Italy, Fall, 2002;
>>Hadrian's Wall, Great Britain, Fall, 2002;
>>Kansas City, Missouri, USA (state in Central U.S.), Fall, 2002;
>>Lisbon, Portugal, Fall, 2002;
>>Brussels Belgium, Fall, 2002;
>>Seveille, Spain, Fall, 2002;
>>Etc.
--Set up an Event Team to:
>>plan the trip;
>>provide program options (tours, museum visits, local Roman
Cultual Sites, etc.;
>>determine meeting agendas;
>>provide a central meeting place;
>>provide lists of places to stay and places to eat;
>>make arrangements for at least one meal / banquet all together;
>>make arrangements for air fare guidelines for those coming from a
distance, together with land travel directions to all elements of the
Event.
--Get the word out to all NR members by:
>>Internet, both by all nets currently usage, official or
unofficial;
>>Post the information of the Website Bulletin Board;
>>Make up a special website for the Event;
>>Post that URL to all Provincia Websites, the NR Website and all
Lists currently active.
--Have the Event.
So far three people that I know of have offered to arrange such a event
and the response from the Citizenship has been very sparse. Without the
interest and response of the citizens such an event will be very
dfficult to plan. Even if the answer is ,"No I don't think so", it is
important.
Now all of the above, in my estimation has little to do with protecting
Confidential Information in keeping our promise to the Citizens. In
each of the events that we have had in Nova Roma in the past, the
participants have shared the private information that they felt needed
to be shared, without a problem to the event. We are all, to my
knowledge, on the Internet and that is the communcation medium that we
can use. When that medium is improperly used and causes Citizens to
"sign off" for thier own reasons, then plans are even more difficult to
make.
Yes. I agree with the fact that we must have more face-to-face meetings
on both a Provincial and an International Basis, but the interest on the
part of the Citizens of Nova Roma must be there to plan ahead, make a
commitment, put together a planning group, and assist that planning
group, and above all to commit to attendance if at all possible at the
advance date is absolutely required. I would like to see some response
to this plea in regard to suggestions regarding place, time, commiment
to attend, volunteers for planning, agenda and program. Perhaps I am
out on a limb here, but it is my belief that these are the elements
necessary for the successful face-to-face meeting either Provincial or
International that we are all talking about.
Valete, Citizens of Nova Roma;
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Praetor et Senator
Candidate for Consul
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Praedicatio Mariae gentis |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
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| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 10:05:29 -0500 (EST) |
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Salve, Sextus Marius Australus;
Welcome to Nova Roma! You have chosen an excellent Gens, and we hope to
see you active on the list and in the Chatroom!!
Vale;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Lex Privitas de Rebus |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 10:13:56 -0500 |
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:03:35 -0800
From: "RCW" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
Subject: the Lex Privitas de Rebus
Salvete Omnes
I just wanted to inform everyone that the text for this lex has been changed. However, since I am at work, I dont have access of the Lex to repost it to the list with off of the changes. When I get home this evening, 12:30 am, I will post it to the List.
L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul
Salvete, Quirites
I just want to bring up a minor point here. Does this mean that the wording of the proposed law will be changed after the voting has commenced?
Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
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| Subject: |
Re: Uxbridge Gathering RSVP |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 10:17:57 -0500 (EST) |
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Salve, Iulia Ovidia Luna;
It is my intention to stay all day Saturday at the meeting, leave for
home in the evening and be back at the Hotel by 9:00 A.M. Sunday
Morning. I would be pleased to visit your place for a lunch and further
refine our discussion of the previous day as you feel the need.
My time and attendance are flexible due to the short dstance I need to
travel, so I am at your service as I may be able to assist. Just tell
me what you need.
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: NO For The Minimum Age Law! |
| From: |
GregTheRed@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:17:42 EST |
|
Here! Here! To Lucius Anneus Laurentius for his opposition to the law!!!
Tiberius Augustulus Claudius
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| Subject: |
Minimum Age Law |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:53:55 -0500 (EST) |
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Salvete, Citizens;
Perhaps I am a product of my generation, but I see no objection to the
subject law. There are provisons in the proposed law to deal with the
young people who demonstrate an unusual maturity for their age. Nova
Roma has a list of positions in which a young man / woman who wises to
be of service may first serve to learn about NR, government and
religion, without the necessity of learning his / her craft at the
expense of the Citizens.
If the young people wish to learn, and if the Citizens of Nova Roma wish
to see them given the opportunies that they desire, the means are before
us in the proposed law. If the young people spurn the lower echelon
positions in NR, which have been correctly described as extremely
important to the operation of NR, then shall we provide permission for
access of these same people to positions of increased authority without
some indication of their ability, williness to consider new ideas, as
well as the needs of the group, not just the needs that are familiar to
them??
I have stated that I have a great admiration for young people of today
in the areas of enthusiasm, new ideas, energy, and desire to make a mark
upon the world. I have in my experience dealt with all of those
attributes in young people and have been most satisfied with the result.
But just as in my own life, both I and they needed the tempering of
consideration for the needs of others, and the development of a kind of
maturity that insures the search for answers not at hand for any
individual, and I believe that to ask any less on the behalf of the
Citizens of NR would be improper.
We have already to some small degree had to deal with young people on
this list who were certainly bright, inventive, and industrious, but who
were not in possesion of the attributes listed previously. Any one of
those people at that age and that period of maturity would not have been
suitable in a magistrates position, in my opinion.
All young people who wish to take part in the Government or the Religio
of NR to demonstrate their abilities in supportive positions of
importance are welcome to do so, with the proposed law assuring a
provision for their being recognized as such, and they are again most
welcome. If they wish rather, to have the privaledge given them without
any background proof of ability, then perhaps they do not want the
privaledge bad enough. In the rule of things within NR, each person
standing for Magistrate, or any elected / appointed position must
satisfy the electorate as to their suitability before selection. We
have seen some very promising work lately on the Internet from a new and
younger member of our company. He has indicated his feelings in regard
to the proposed law with clarity, and with consideration, Shall we not
follow that lead given by a young man who sees the wisdom of working for
his recognition??
It is not my way to state baldly YES or NO to the idea of voting for
Candidate or Law. That decision is the privaledge and responsibility of
the voter, and anyone with any feeling for the rights and needs of
others knows that. However, I would caution that the law as proposed
protects NR from problems similar to those that have occurred in the
past, while providing a provision to take advantage of the privaledge to
work within NR for the trust, approval, and suitability of holding
higher office that the Citizens of Nova Roma have required of their
Magistartes since the micronation's founding.
Salvete, Citizens of Nova Roma;
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens;
Praetor et Senator;
Candidate For Consul
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: NO For The Minimum Age Law! |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Augustina=20Iulia=20Caesaria=20Nocturnia?= a_i_c_nocturnia@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 10:48:01 -0800 (PST) |
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Salvete Omnes!
I agree with this wholeheartedly!
21 is too much to ask, if a person is old enough to be
a citizen at 18, then they are old enough to be a
magistrate.
I am a Legate and I am 18, I know I shall not be
affected by the law, but I don't feel that I should
have had to wait another 3 years to qualify for my
position!
Valete
Noct'a
> Salvete Omnes Novae Romae Cives.
> I'm Lvcivs Annevs Lavrentivs from the Mother Italica
> Provincia.
>
> Today Nova Roma's elections and votings will begin,
> and today amongst a lot of "leges" and a few of
> candidates we'll be called to vote a law that could
> have important consequences on our Republic's walk:
> I'm talking about "Lex Iunia de Magistratuum
> Aetate".
> This law, as all you surely know, should forbid the
> candidacies of young NR citizens: I think this would
> represent a really great problem for all and I'll
> now expose why.
> We already have many problems with the participation
> to public life by our citizens: as the coming
> elections show, we don't have enough candidacies to
> cover all positions (no candidates for Curator
> Aranaeum and Aedile Curule, only 1 for Aedili
> Plebis, just 3 candidacies for Quastor (on 8
> [EIGHT!] available), and in many other important
> offices [like Consul] the number of candidates will
> not allow a choice to citizens). As the past
> elections showed, only 40 persons voted, where the
> total amount of citizens is 394.
> These numbers are facts, and they show just one
> thing: people isn't enough interested to NR: a lot
> of our fellow citizens which applyed for
> citizenship, in the beginning was probably really
> interested and enjoyed by NR, but with the spending
> of time they lost their initial verve.
> What I mean is that if this law will pass, there's
> the danger to lose another important part of our
> citizen: I guess that many of our younger people
> enjoyed NR (outer the interest for Roman stuff) to
> have the chance to be active part of our virtual
> Nation; the youth can find here the possibility to
> find a gym where they can get the first political
> experiences. If we vote yes for this law, we would
> discourage the future of NR and of our society.
> Someone's said that this law is needed to leave off
> from the Government unexperienced guys, unable for
> their age to have too big responsabilities: I
> respond that this is untrue, because only a few of
> young people is able to empose within the Republic,
> and necessarily they are the most mature,
> interested and clever. I don't think our citizens
> aren't in a position to understand who really is
> worthy of a vote and who isn't: they can get their
> opinion from our discussion zones, like this email
> list or like the message board and the chat. A
> typical example of all this is Gnaeus Tarquinius
> Caesar: he's young, but everyone think he'd be able
> to take an office, and in fact he'll probably win
> the election for Tribunus Plebis. If instead of him
> an unknown and immature young citizen would
> candidate for an office, who'd cast his vote for
> him? None, of course!
> Maybe we can limit the minimum age for the most
> important offices, like Consul and Censor: these
> are determinant places, that really need some
> experiences; but I think it's fundamental to leave
> open to the youngs the doors of political career, so
> that our Republic we'll keep having a glorious and
> prosperous future.
> That is why I suggest to vote NO for "Lex Iunia de
> Magistratuum Aetate"!
>
> Valete Omnes, et semper Vobiscvm sit Romana Virtvs.
> Lvcivs Annevs LAVRENTIVS, candidate for Praetor.
>
>
<HR>
<html>
>
=====
Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Materfamilias of the Gens. Iulia Caesaria, the second British Gens to join the Republic of Nova Roma (www.novaroma.org)
Legata Britannia Septentrionalis
Barkeep of the Papillae Lupae
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| Subject: |
Re: NO For The Minimum Age Law! |
| From: |
Diana Aventina diana_aventina@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:12:35 -0800 (PST) |
|
> 21 is too much to ask,
Yes, especially since at 16 a young person can drive, get
married,have children, etc ...
Bright Blessings,
Diana
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| Subject: |
Re: Lex Privitas de Rebus |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:06:14 -0800 |
|
No, it meant that I was at my computer at work....and I didnt have the text with me....I posted it at 2 am last nite...after I got home from work :)
L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul
Lucius wrote:
> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:03:35 -0800
> From: "RCW" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
> Subject: the Lex Privitas de Rebus
>
> Salvete Omnes
>
> I just wanted to inform everyone that the text for this lex has been changed. However, since I am at work, I dont have access of the Lex to repost it to the list with off of the changes. When I get home this evening, 12:30 am, I will post it to the List.
>
> L. Cornelius Sulla
> Consul
>
> Salvete, Quirites
>
> I just want to bring up a minor point here. Does this mean that the wording of the proposed law will be changed after the voting has commenced?
>
> Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
>
> [Attachments have been removed from this message]
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: NO For The Minimum Age Law! |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Dec 1999 12:35:32 -0800 |
|
But at 16 they cannot be drafted...cannot vote, cannot drink....I think its
a very good balance...especially since there is an appeal to get exempted.
I think it is a reasonable law. Decius Iunius and I debated quite a few
times on the ages per the lex. We both compromised and we both feel that it
is a reasonable step in trying to implement the first state of a Cursus
Honorum in Nova Roma.
L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul
Diana Aventina wrote:
> From: Diana Aventina <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a>
>
> > 21 is too much to ask,
> Yes, especially since at 16 a young person can drive, get
> married,have children, etc ...
> Bright Blessings,
> Diana
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| Subject: |
vote? |
| From: |
william wheeler wuffa@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Dec 1999 14:13:11 -0800 |
|
when i tryed to vote today I got
FrontPage Error.
User: please report details to this site's webmaster.
Webmaster: please see the server's application event log for more
details.
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| Subject: |
Voting Problem |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Dec 1999 14:37:57 -0800 |
|
I marked my ballot and clicked on the "Submit" button and got this
message:
FrontPage Error.
User: please report details to this site's webmaster.
Webmaster: please see the server's application event log for more
details.
Okay. What is wrong? Is it something that I can correct (that I
haven't figured out yet)
or is it on the other end ot the voting link?
Has this glitch ruined my ballot?
Yes. I entered my voter code correctly.
C. Aelius Ericius
Paterfamilias gens Aelia
Propraetor of California Provincia
Augur
Member of the College of Pontiffs
Senator of Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
Re: Voting Problem |
| From: |
dean6886@--------) |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 16:42:05 -0600 (CST) |
|
Same problem voting here just a moment ago. I'm officially back by the
way as I was on vacation and then some personal things going on that
pretty much sidelined my activities in Nova Roma for the last month.
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
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| Subject: |
Fwd: Proposed Nova Roma Outreach Program and Archives |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:55:25 -0500 (EST) |
|
For your information and review.
--Citizens of Nova Roma; this is a proposal for your consideration and
comment;
--Cassius; this is a recreation of my original Legate list for the
Provincia Nova Roma;
--Consul; Palladius and Sulla; this is for your review and
consideration.
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens;
Legate, Regio of Connecticut--Provincia Nova Britannia
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
Salve, Citizens of Nova Roma;
I would like to propose a set of ideas to you for the purpose of
furthering the cause of Nova Roma Outreach in the real world. I think
that we can all agree that while the micronation of Nova Roma is an
interesting and facinating organization, one of our real problems, as I
percieve it at least, is that we as an entity are not known to a large
percentage of the world population. I postulate further, that as we
become better known a certain percentage of those who come to know us
will be interested in becoming citizens. In order to take full
advantage of our accomplishments to date, I would like to establish an
organization within Nova Roma entitled the Nova Roma Ourtreach Program
which would be the repository for all information relating to the below
ideas and any others offered to further this prospective project. I
visulize that the Nova Roma Outreach Program will devote itself to the
effort of making the world aware of Nova Roma. I have developed a few
ideas with which to begin this effort, and would ask that any member of
NR having additional ideas, would post them to me for addition to the
list. The ideas are as follow and can be furthered by any NR citizen
who wishes to engage in such activities:
--Contact your local library's and ask about the possibility of posting
NR brochures / posters. Look into posting such handbills on any public
forum such as Community Service, Senior Citizen Activities, and any
other municipal, or fraternal organization that promotes such
advertisement. Many large supermarkets have Bulletin Boards for the
benefit of thier customers. Please share unique ideas not mentioned
here so that the list may be constantly updated, with the Proposed Nova
Roma Outreach Program at <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045128014022121135028082190036" >jlm42@--------</a> untilt the Proposal should be
reviewed;
--Contact all local newspapers and ask for the requirements for
submitting public service letters to the newspapers, and then submit
letters of introduction to any and all within your area. Consider
sending a repot of your results to the Proposed Nova Roma Outreach
Program;
--Contact all radio stations in your area and discuss with them the
desireability and the feasabilty of having a representative of Nova Roma
give a short presentation on the micronaton as a public service to their
listeners. If you are successful, please try to get the stattion to
make you a tape of the presentation. Consider sending a copy of the
tape and a list of your efforts to the Proposed Nova Roma Outreach
Program Archives;
--Contact the Television Services in your area and ask if they would be
interested in something similar to the above radio program , only with a
face-to-face aspect and probably in period dress. If you are
successful, share your success with NR and where and when the activity
will be broadcast. Ask for a tape to be made of the activiy and
consider providing a copy of such together with a list of your efforts
to the Proposed NR Outreach Program Archives;
--Contact Local Schools and Colleges in order to determine their
initerest in NR with the idea of presenting a Roman Program to the
school, or for the possble recognition of the Classics Department of the
College of Nova Roma, as a resource of study for that institution. The
thrust of this activity would not only be a possible presentation, but
also the recognition of Nova Roma by a number of institutions. Those
who have made such contacts, Consider providing a copy of your efforts
to the Proposed Nova Roma Outreach Program and letting me add your
efforts together with the Institution and Contact Person for a thank-you
letter and inclusion in our archives;
--Those in NR who have the ability to create simple Web Pages, I would
ask that you consider making web pages to order on behalf of our various
provinces, in order to further advertise Nova Roma. I would further
request that the URL's of such an effort be posted to the Proposed NR
Outreach Program Archives;
--Those in NR who have a connection or "in" to organizations which are
similar to NR, try to acertain whether they would be willing to add our
brochures and advertisements to any and all newsletters that are
available, and consider sending such advertisements to the Proposed NR
Outreach Program Archives for a record of our activities in this area;
--Those among the NR Citizenship who are gifted with writing skills
consider designing a Nova Roma adverisement on a 3" x 5"post card, a one
liner for inclusion in a newspaper column, a larger one paragraph
advertisement for use with magazines. Consider sending a copy of the
advertisement to the Proposed NR Outreach Program Archives;
--Contact Book stores and Museums, and ask if NR may leave some booklets
or posters or both for the public's information which would be a booklet
describing NR (four or five pages), Those within NR having these skills
it is suggested might be willing to develop such for the purpose of
having a booklet to provide to bookstores, museums, Community
Facilities, Librarys, and any other similar institution willing to
assist us in getting the message out. Consider providing a copy of the
booklet and a list of institutions contacted to the Proposed NR Outreach
Program Archives;
--Put together a list of local (and not so local) events, activities,
expositions, and celebrations which would welcome NR as a participant
either as re-enactors or as a booth set up for public awareness and
service or both. Consider sending a copy of that list to the Proposed
NR Outreach Program Archves;
I offer this Proposed Program to the Citizens of Nova Roma for thier
input, and for thier determination of its worth. It has been voiced of
late on the one list that politics can be a bore and that some people do
not have time to review all the messages available concerning the
micronation. I would suggest however, that everyone is interested in
furthering the cause of an institution to which they belong and feel
strongly about, and further that there is room in the preceeding program
elements for all Citizens regardless of interest, time available or
location to make a positive impact for NR. If you have any questions or
comments regarding this post please do not hesitate to contact Marcus
Minucius Audens at <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045128014022121135028082190036" >jlm42@--------</a>.
Consuls, with Respect, I lay before you this idea to be considered as a
program, sodalitas, or other organizaton / institution for the benefit
of Nova Roma as you shall see fit. Should you approve such by whatever
designation that you shall agree upon, I would then take the position of
Director and appoint an Assistant Director, both of whom would be
subject to the supervision of NR, to maintain the Archives, and respond
to messages recieved, Reports of the progress of such an organization
would be filed in hard copy as well as tapes, books, etc. in archves
available to all NR Citizens The archves would be under my control and
held at my place of residence with an possible addition of the Program
and results attached to the NR Website, or another website linked to the
NR Website. The proposed organization would be open to all NR Citizens
with a desire to futher NR in the indicated ways or with regard to new
ideas which would be suitable to NR
I say in defensre of this proposal that Pro-Consul Julianus (Nova
Britannia Provincia) has approved an earlier version of this proposal
for use within the above Provincia. He has encouraged me to formallze
my ideas to some degree, and has indicated that the idea(s) have some
small merit. I therefore place this before you for your kind
consideraton, and possible approval.
Valete, Citizens Of Nova Roma, and Magistrates;
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens;
Praetor et Senator;
Candidate For Consul
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| Subject: |
RE: Praedicatio Mariae gentis |
| From: |
"b1nchc08" jean-pierre.petits@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:53:30 -0500 |
|
Ave Marcus Minuscius Audens,
Senatus Populusque Canadienses, te saludant, dum spero password from
hotmail solvarant graves situaciones. I had lately terrible times with
hotmail and passport emails systems. Hopefully something will be done to
correct this horrible situation, it must be the merge of two servers causing
it. Regis
-----Original Message-----
From: James Mathe--------mailto:<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a>]
Sent: 5 décembre, 1999 10:05
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Praedicatio Mariae gentis
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------br>
Salve, Sextus Marius Australus;
Welcome to Nova Roma! You have chosen an excellent Gens, and we hope to
see you active on the list and in the Chatroom!!
Vale;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
tried to vote... |
| From: |
Diana Aventina diana_aventina@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:06:27 -0800 (PST) |
|
Hi all,
I tried to vote and got the same error message as a few
other people:"Front Page error".
I definitely put in the correct voter code.
Did my vote go through?
Diana
(8 sentences of titles left out :-)
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| Subject: |
Proposed Nova Roma Outreach Program |
| From: |
Diana Aventina diana_aventina@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:28:42 -0800 (PST) |
|
Hey Audens!
I am about to go to bed, but I read your email quickly and
I think that it's great! Certainly, put me on the "team"
for this project!
Bright Blessings,
Diana Aventina
Pagan Federation National Coordinator Belgium
Editor, Europa
Council member of the Pagan Federation International
PFI representative to the Council of the Pagan Federation
UK
Webmistress PFI-Europa website
Webmistress PFI-Belgium website
Webmistress PFI-France website
List manager PFI Chatlist
List manager PFI Announcement list
:-)
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| Subject: |
Re: Voting Problem |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Augustina=20Iulia=20Caesaria=20Nocturnia?= a_i_c_nocturnia@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:38:40 -0800 (PST) |
|
Ahh the trials and tribulations of using Frontpage!!
I guess I'll wait! :)
Noct'a
*A puritan Handcoder*
=====
Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Materfamilias of the Gens. Iulia Caesaria, the second British Gens to join the Republic of Nova Roma (www.novaroma.org)
Legata Britannia Septentrionalis
Barkeep of the Papillae Lupae
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| Subject: |
The Cista |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:42:19 -0500 |
|
Salvete Omnes,
The Cista is now up and running on the web site. There was a bit of a glitch
at first, but the problem has been corrected. If you got an error message
when you tried to vote, don't worry; your vote was not ruined. Just go back
to the page and vote again.
Thanks to everyone who helped me know about the problem.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus
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| Subject: |
Re: NO For The Minimum Age Law! |
| From: |
GregTheRed@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:28:43 EST |
|
Salvete,
I don't understand, why do we bother with the law when there is the
exception. A person will not be elected (or appointed for that matter) if he
or she is not capable. I think we should have more faith in the citizens of
Nova Roma.
Tiberius Augustulus Claudius.
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| Subject: |
Re: NO For The Minimum Age Law! |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 16:37:46 -0800 |
|
Salve!
The reason is quite simple. In Ancient Rome there was the Cursus Honorum,
it regulated the age and timeframe when individuals held offices. As apart
of Nova Roma's attempt to resurrect that, we, Decius Iunius and myself, are
attempting to resurrect that. There is valid reasons for instituting age
limits. But, we are not going to hem ourselves in by completely preventing
citizens to serve. That is why there is a check. Laws must be flexible yet
enforceable. This law accomodates tradition yet allows the ability to
accomodate young citizens who are motivated, responsible and eager to serve.
L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul
----- Original Message -----
From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=244212192108059125184229163208114253071048139" >GregTheRed@--------</--------;
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] NO For The Minimum Age Law!
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=244212192108059125184229163208114253071048139" >GregTheRed@--------</--------;
>
> Salvete,
> I don't understand, why do we bother with the law when there is the
> exception. A person will not be elected (or appointed for that matter) if
he
> or she is not capable. I think we should have more faith in the citizens
of
> Nova Roma.
>
>
> Tiberius Augustulus Claudius.
>
> >
|
| Subject: |
Re: NO For The Minimum Age Law! |
| From: |
Exitil@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:52:22 EST |
|
In a message dated 12/5/99 6:37:55 PM Central Standard Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------br>
Well we aren't worried about a Consul getting us into a war with the
barbarians, nor are we concerned that a Consul is going to have one of us
assassinated or that they will steal money from the treasury to pay off
immense debts to brothels. Whats the big deal about age? To me it seems
that the people who made the law were the people that were unaffected by it,
and thus it was unfair because it enabled less challenge to their positions.
>
> The reason is quite simple. In Ancient Rome there was the Cursus Honorum,
> it regulated the age and timeframe when individuals held offices. As apart
> of Nova Roma's attempt to resurrect that, we, Decius Iunius and myself, are
> attempting to resurrect that. There is valid reasons for instituting age
> limits. But, we are not going to hem ourselves in by completely preventing
> citizens to serve. That is why there is a check. Laws must be flexible
yet
> enforceable. This law accomodates tradition yet allows the ability to
> accomodate young citizens who are motivated, responsible and eager to
serve.
>
> L. Cornelius Sulla
|
| Subject: |
Re: NO For The Minimum Age Law! |
| From: |
"RCW" alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:01:34 -0800 |
|
Actually I was affected by it when it was first brought up by my colleague
before I was elected Consul by the citizens of Nova Roma. Again, the
purpose of Nova Roma is the restoration of the ancient republic. This law
is in accordance to that tradition. Remember on the last election we passed
a lex on limiting the age of the Paterfamilias. We are striving to create
the Cursus Honorum, and this is our first step in implementing it. The age
limits arent even completely confining. There is a way to get around it,
and that is through your peers in the Senate and the Censors as dictated in
Part 6, here it is: "VI. An exemption to this law may be granted to a
person by the approval of both censors and a senatus consultum approved by a
two thirds majority vote."
Hope this helps.
L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul
----- Original Message -----
From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] NO For The Minimum Age Law!
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;
>
> In a message dated 12/5/99 6:37:55 PM Central Standard Time,
> <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------/font>
>
> Well we aren't worried about a Consul getting us into a war with the
> barbarians, nor are we concerned that a Consul is going to have one of us
> assassinated or that they will steal money from the treasury to pay off
> immense debts to brothels. Whats the big deal about age? To me it seems
> that the people who made the law were the people that were unaffected by
it,
> and thus it was unfair because it enabled less challenge to their
positions.
>
> >
> > The reason is quite simple. In Ancient Rome there was the Cursus
Honorum,
> > it regulated the age and timeframe when individuals held offices. As
apart
> > of Nova Roma's attempt to resurrect that, we, Decius Iunius and myself,
are
> > attempting to resurrect that. There is valid reasons for instituting
age
> > limits. But, we are not going to hem ourselves in by completely
preventing
> > citizens to serve. That is why there is a check. Laws must be
flexible
> yet
> > enforceable. This law accomodates tradition yet allows the ability to
> > accomodate young citizens who are motivated, responsible and eager to
> serve.
> >
> > L. Cornelius Sulla
>
> >
|
| Subject: |
the Cista |
| From: |
"RCW" alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:16:21 -0800 |
|
Thank you Germancius for getting the site back up.....I voted and it took my code without any problems.
L. Cornelius Sulla
Consul
|
| Subject: |
City Mural in Golden House |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Dec 1999 18:06:36 -0800 |
|
Salvete.
Last year a mural of a cityscape was found in the lower section of the
Domus Aureum.
I can not find my links to any of the sites about it, and I'm not
having much luck with the search engines. Does anybody have any links
for it? I would particularly like to find some of the pictures of the
mural. Of course I am interested in new information and insights into
the find.
Thank you one and all.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius.
-------------
[sumtin kewl]
|
| Subject: |
The proposed age law... |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:45:18 EST |
|
Salvete,
There have been several recent posts regarding the proposed age law which is
now up for vote. It seems that this is the most contested ballot issue in
Nova Roma so far!
No matter where each of us sides on this issue, the important thing to
remember is that no matter how the vote goes it won't be the end of the world.
If you're AGAINST the age limit, and it passes, remember that there are
*many* ways to work for Nova Roma without holding one of the offices
specified. There can be appointed positions within the various Provincia,
work within the Religio, and positions within the various Sodaliciums. The
Ordo Equester is still open to any Citizen, and of course there are a
multitude of "non official" things that constantly need attention, such as
writing for "The Eagle". There are plenty of ways to do good work and become
well respected without any official position whatsoever. There are also of
course ways AROUND this law should it pass. A young person who is willing to
devote energy to the good of Nova Roma and who is able to earn recognition
through excellent work will naturally receive consideration for special
dispensation. ;) And of course there is always the chance that this law
could be later repealed if it's tried and doesn't work out.
If you're FOR the age law, and it'd defeated, again it's not the end of the
world. If it turns out that Citizens holding office at younger ages becomes a
serious problem the issue can be raised again. If no problems arise, but this
just becomes a departure from history, it won't be the first political bow
that the revived Roman system will have made to the modern world. There will
be other ways to preserve the spirit of the Cursus Honorum system, so that
people learn Roman government by starting lesser positions first and working
up to larger ones.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: YES For The Minimum Age Law! |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:43:10 -0500 (EST) |
|
On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------; wrote:
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=113082020165082153015098190036129" >Exitil@--------</--------;
>
> In a message dated 12/5/99 6:37:55 PM Central Standard Time,
> <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------/font>
>
> Well we aren't worried about a Consul getting us into a war with the
> barbarians, nor are we concerned that a Consul is going to have one of us
> assassinated or that they will steal money from the treasury to pay off
> immense debts to brothels. Whats the big deal about age? To me it seems
> that the people who made the law were the people that were unaffected by it,
> and thus it was unfair because it enabled less challenge to their positions.
That is true. However, it does not make the proposed law itself less
just. As my co-consul has mentioned, we are slowing trying to enforce the
Cursus Honorum, the path of honor, which one would have to climb before
becoming consul and censor. There has been some talk of fully
implementing it, but it would have been truly limiting because only a
handful of people would be eligible for any of the high offices, and most
of those have no interest in again running for high office. The age law is
a compromise--it sets a a verifiable standard while leaving the door open
with one clause for extraordinary young individuals to be given the chance
to rise up in position.
I actually lowered the age limits somewhat on this proposed law to allow
more people to be eligible for more positions. However, age limits were a
strict part of the cursus honorum as they are for political office in
modern countries and some yardstick is necessary. In ancient times for
example, one could not be a consul until the age of 42, or queastor until
30. As you have mentioned, our magistrates do not have the responsibilty
of the ancient magistrates, thus our age limits are lower.
This is not a matter of the young versus the old for some younger
citizens, such as Gaius Tarquinius Caesar, have spoken out in favor of
this law. He realizes that our task is to rebuild the Republic and the
Cursus Honorum and that this is a good step in that process.
Vale,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul
|
| Subject: |
Re: Apple Polishing??? |
| From: |
Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:54:35 -0500 (EST) |
|
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, James Mathews wrote:
> From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/font>
>
> Salvete, Citizens of Nova Roma;
Salve Marce Minuci,
> I have been criticized by a Citizen of Nova Roma for my praise of Consul
> Palladius in a previous message. The particular comment that was
> criticized follows:
>
> "I am both pleased and proud to be able to serve with a magistrate such
> as Consul Palladius who has the foresight and wit to act on such matters
> with alicrity for te Benefit of NR."
>
> The citizen's criticism read as follows:
>
> "Aren't we apple polishing a bit hard here? Paternally----------------"
>
> My response to the above citizen, I now share with you, because I
> believe it to be meaningful both to my candidacy for Consul as well as
> possibly shedding some light on the efforts of our hard-working
> Magistrates. The name of the citizen is not important to my mind, and
> in any case, it is my belief that personal message identification
> between two correspondents should remain between those two
> correspondents only.
> MMA Response:
>
> "--Oh, I don't think so. The comment was in response to a criticism of
> the Consul's action in extending the (candidate) deadline, for what
> appears was a very good reason and result. I am equally sure that had
> more people not stepped forward, Consul Palladius would have been even
> more severely criticized from more than one quarter for his
> actions-------------"
I am sorry that Marcus Minucius Audens has been unjustly criticized for
publicly supporting my decision to extend the voting deadline. To call
Audens such a name is unfair to say the least.
I am grateful for the support he has shown me on this occasion though I do
not think he was showing support to me for personal reasons but because he
believed the action taken was for the good of Nova Roma. His support
emphasized that he believed the action was just and necessary. Believe me,
if he disagreed with what I did he would not have felt compelled to write
as he did.
Audens is about to become a consul of Nova Roma, there would be
little for him to gain by lavishing praise on me at this point just to
curry favor. What he says he says because he believes it is right.
Valete,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul and censor--
for 25 more days and a wake-up (or 26 days for you civilians)
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| Subject: |
Underground Rome |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Dec 1999 20:12:52 -0800 |
|
An interesting article from the Atlantic Monthly
<a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/97apr/rome.htm" target="_top" >http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/97apr/rome.htm</a>
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