| Subject: |
Re: Comitia |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:31:43 -0000 |
|
Salvete omnes
The Comitia Plebis Tributa will end
-Monday, 13 December, 1700 EST (2300 Roman Time, 1400 Pacific Time).
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Tribunus Plebis
|
| Subject: |
Re: Re:Race for praetor |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:47:57 -0500 (EST) |
|
Salve, A.C.L. Nigellus;
I have read your message regarding the task and expectations for the
positon of Praetor. You seem to be saying that a Praetor might be the
"grease that makes things go." That may be an oversimplification, but I
like the idea very much. Over this last weekend, I was speaking to
those who met in the Nova Britannia Provincia about an "Idea File." I
think this rather personifies in one way at least your thrust to better
utilize the citizens of Nova Roma, as well as the many, many skills and
abilities that they represent. Just recently, I have been made to
realize that inaction on my part for an idea imparted to me and not
completed for lack procedure had offended an individual, that I would
not have offended for the world. As I mentioned previously, most of the
ideas that come over the onelist, unless acted upon immediately are lost
in the shuffle, so to speak, because we do not have a "net" to retrieve
them and hold them for future consideration.
So I ask this question of all in NR, not being very adept in this
medium, nor having very sophisticated hardware, is it possible to set up
an electronic file into which these ideas can be placed, from which they
can be retrieved at will and for further consideration at some specified
period(s) of time?? The file should be available to all, but should be
limited to one or two people who can input to or delete from the file,
siply to make sure that we get all the ideas, and there is no vandalism
of the file. Perhaps a Pontiff, Magistrate (Praetor / Quaestor???), and
/ or a Sodalitas Leader could moderate the file.
This is really the germ of an idea which needs some development, but I
am convinced that the ideas promulgated here must be collected,
protected, reviewed and implemented as desired / required or we will
never fully appreciate the value of our citizens or their input. Anyone
care to "piggy-back" on this idea???
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: A message from a clueless newbie |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:43:29 -0800 |
|
Salve!
Welcome to Nova Roma....I am sure there will be many citizens who would be able
to assist you....if you have any questions, please drop me a line. My e-mail
is <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Consul
Che Monro wrote:
&g--------rom: Che Monro &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=230128020180175135050082190036" &g--------ir--------..&l--------&g--------fon--------r>
>
> Hi, I'm a lime green newbie here and I'm utterly clueless.
>
> I'm not a citizen of Nova Roma, although I'm thinking about it (and
> probably need some HELP!)
>
> My interest in Roman culture springs out of a fantasy novel I'm writing.
> The country and history are all in face utterly fictional, but described
> briefly you might say the setup is something like what might have happened
> during the dark ages if the Romans had settled and stayed in Ireland.
>
> Oh and there are also Sidhe.
>
> Anyway that means I've got two cultures to write about - "celtic" and
> "roman", neither of which I really know anything much about, so I'm just
> making it up as I go along.... *smiles blithely*
>
> Anyway, my book is now moving into it's "roman phase" where the setting
> moves to a city which is perhaps a bit like Venice during the classical
> revival of the Rennisance - Not really very roman, but making a nod towards
> clasical traditions and culture.
>
> Of course since my knowlege of Roman culture is limited to what I learnt in
> a high school course in Ancient History years ago, I'm having troubles,
> particularly with inventing suitable names and ranks for people.
>
> An added complication is trying to work out "romanized" versions of celtic
> names for servants and the like.
>
> Fer instance I had decided on Cornelius for the personal name of the king,
> but looking at your naming page, I guess that's a Nomen, so he can't be
> called that... He'd have to be um... Something Something Cornelius.
>
> Still, at least that means his daughter could be Something Lucia Cornelius
> as I'd been thinking, which is good. Primia Lucia Cornelius?
>
> Hmm, Could he be _called_ by his gens, in the way Augustus might have been
> called "Caesar?". Cornelius isn't exactly a title though, is it?
>
> Anyway, look, if any of this interests anyone, or you'd like to read the
> first couple of chapters of my novel (which have nothing to do with Rome,
> btw), please email me, I'd love to hear from you! *Big Green Eyes*
>
> Cheers,
>
> Che
>
> You have been flirting with Che Monro - The infamous Internet Flirt!
&g--------l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=230128020180175135050082190036" &g--------ir--------..&l--------&g-------- &l--------href="h--------//www.geoci--------.com/Paris/Cafe/2079" --------e---------------- &g----------------/www.geoci--------.com/Paris/Cafe/2079&l--------&g--------fon--------r>
>
>
|
| Subject: |
Re: A message from a clueless newbie |
| From: |
Marius Fimbria legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:44:13 -0600 (CST) |
|
Salve (Hello there)!
> I'm not a citizen of Nova Roma, although I'm thinking about it (and
> probably need some HELP!)
You came to the right place...I think! [lion-tamer impression:
"Guys--BE NICE...!!!" >crack!< ] ...When we're not hashing out
little details of internal administration [ >crack!< ], we're usually
more than willing to enlighten and entertain on the subject of Roman
history and culture!
> My interest in Roman culture springs out of a fantasy novel I'm
> writing. The country and history are all in face utterly fictional,
> but described briefly you might say the setup is something like what
> might have happened during the dark ages if the Romans had settled
> and stayed in Ireland.
>
> Oh and there are also Sidhe.
An interesting premise, if one does not descend to 'Roar'-style
hokiness; that you have come to us instead of watching reruns of
'Ben-Hur' and 'Spartacus' seems to indicate that you want to get the
Roman-equivalents in your world right, in material culture and, more
importantly, in spirit.
> Anyway that means I've got two cultures to write about - "celtic" and
>"roman", neither of which I really know anything much about, so I'm
> just making it up as I go along.... *smiles blithely*
I, too, write quite a bit of what might be termed 'historical fantasy';
though my stuff begins squarely-rooted in Roman history, I will tweak
the valves open at a critical juncture to admit an extra possibility or
two. As it happens, these two cultures are my strongest influences. I
consider myself a Roman of Celtiberian extraction, and I have always
seen something special in the combination of Roman and Celt that has
worked out to the benefit of both cultures. Caesar had one Legion, the
V Alaudae, recruited entirely from Gauls. My own Legion, the VI
Victrix, saw service in Spain and Germany before pulling a 400-year
hitch in Britain; they may have been the last Roman Legion to depart
the Isle. So I've done a little bit of homework on Roman and Celt and
the interaction between them; even if no one else picks up the thread,
you may still feel free to correspond with me in private:
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>.
Looking forward to brainstorming with you!
Yours under the Eagles,
************************************************************
Lucius Marius Fimbria, List moderator |>[SPQR]<|
mka Märia Villarroel |\=/|
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> ( ~ 6 )~~~----...,,__
Roman Historical Re-Creationist `\*/, `` }`^~`,,, \ \
and Citizen of Nova Roma ``=.\ (__==\_ /\ }
'Just a-hangin' around the Universe, | | / )\ \| /
bein' a Roman... It's hard work, _|_| / _/_| /`(
but SOMEbody's gotta do it!!' /./..=' /./..'
|
| Subject: |
Re: Digest Number 657 |
| From: |
"Artem Kouzminykh" ural_liz@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:29:02 PST |
|
SALVETE CIVES NOVAE ROMAE,
hey, it looks guys that we really need a political parties to be orginized
in NR - to help as naive novices to find all way in a dark forest of NR's
politics;-)) I guess a kind of political parties were indeed existed in AR
(ancient Rome), at least in Imperial era, am I wrong?
And a again have a question, probably for Rogators this time. Is there any
possibility to check that I really have voted? I'm not sure of it. Just for
experiment I inserted a random combination of symbols instead of voter code
in Cista, and it wrote to me : 'Your vote has been recorded. Thank you for
participating in Nova Roma's political process'!!!!!! And can one vote only
for one Lex, or ot is needed to vote all items?
AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS NOVAE ROMAE SED BARBARVS
LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST
VALETE IN PACE
>From: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] Digest Number 657
>Date: 11 Dec 1999 08:15:22 -0000
>
>
>>
>There are 5 messages in this issue.
>
>Topics in today's digest:
>
> 1. No apology necessary...
> From: Diana Aventina <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a>
> 2. About dissin the government
> From: "Don an--------ys Meaker" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=230166014180193192112218004036129208" >famromo@--------</a>
> 3. I' Ve Been Too Harsh With Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
> From: &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=034233091161146153033082190" >--------@--------&--------a>
> 4. Re: I' Ve Been Too Harsh With Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
> From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
> 5. Re: I' Ve Been Too Harsh With Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
> From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 04:13:52 -0800 (PST)
> From: Diana Aventina <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a>
>Subject: No apology necessary...
>
>Dear Lvcivs Annevs LAVRENTIVS,
>
>Your English is just fine, there's no need to apologize!!
>I am sure that everyone is quite happy that Nova Roma has
>citizens in non-English speaking countries.
>
>I congratulate you that you can write so well in English.
>I spend the entire day speaking, reading, and writing in
>language that is not native to me, so I do know how you
>feel!!
>Bright Blessings from Antwerpen, Belgica
>
>Diana
>__________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place.
>Yahoo! Shopping: <a href="http://shopping.yahoo.com" target="_top" >http://shopping.yahoo.com</a>
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:07:46 -0600
> From: "Don an--------ys Meaker" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=230166014180193192112218004036129208" >famromo@--------</a>
>Subject: About dissin the government
>
>Salvete,
>
>While I cannot be called the most outstanding supporter of the
>Nova Roman government, I do know that dissin the government is
>frowned upon (at least on the main list).
>
>So for all those with even an iota of disdain for the government, I
>urge you to join the Via Trames (yes, the Latin has already been
>criticized, as if I cared). Unlike the Back Alley (which while not
>dead is awaiting a big enough boo-boo to spring back to life <G>)
>the Via Trames is open to all. There are one or two government
>officials on the list, but that just makes things that more
>interesting. Neither founder is there, but the eyes and ears of one
>are :-P.
>
>I would volunteer the Via Trames for political "discussion"
>especially for the children who cry "FOWL" at the proposed
>legislation requiring them to grow up and gain experience before
>playing hardball. Someday there may be legislation which requires
>you, regardless of age, to be a citizen of Nova Roma for perhaps as
>long as 5 years before you may run for office (with the "exceptions"
>that always pop up in the law around here, should a major city
>mayor or governor join us). May as well join now and avoid the
>rush.
>
>And of course all information on the Nova Roma First Born and his
>sister are posted there (you didn't honestly think I would pass up
>THAT opportunity, did you??????).
>
>So join us and there your bitching, moaning, crying and
>complaining will be received with scorn, laughter and criticism. No
>holds barred.
>
>Via Trames Community email addresses:
> Post message: <a href="mailto:ViaTrames@--------" >ViaTrames@--------</a>
> Subscribe: <a href="mailto:ViaTrames-subscribe@--------" >ViaTrames-subscribe@--------</a>
> Unsubscribe: <a href="mailto:ViaTrames-unsubscribe@--------" >ViaTrames-unsubscribe@--------</a>
> List owner: <a href="mailto:ViaTrames-owner@--------" >ViaTrames-owner@--------</a>
>
>Shortcut URL to this page:
><a href="http://www.onelist.com/community/ViaTrames" target="_top" >http://www.onelist.com/community/ViaTrames</a>
>
>Pax,
>Amethystia Iunia Crystallina Materna
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 3
> Date: 10 Dec 1999 14:17:13 -0000
> From: &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=034233091161146153033082190" >--------@--------&--------a>
>Subject: I' Ve Been Too Harsh With Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
>
>Lvcivs Annevs Lavrentivs Civibvs Svis Salvtem.
>
>I've been too much harsh with Antonius Gryllus Graecus, probably you' re
>right about this: then here are my apologies to you, Graecus.
>But I want to explain to you, citizens, the reasons of my "attacks".
>Two days ago in an email Gryllus sustained his candidacy saying in short
>that he's the only prepared and EXPERIENCED (I'm not experienced, he's
>right, but this isn't true for the other candidates for Praetor) candidate,
>that the other ones only follow their nose...well, maybe this isn't an
>example of politically correct, and I don't know if things like this happen
>usually in Lusitania, but here in Italia I've never seen nothing of this
>gender about political campaign.
>Anyway, I could accept this message before the voting started, but I don't
>think it's permissible in a CIVIL Republic (the problem is still the
>same...) to make propaganda while elections are on; in fact I haven't seen
>any candidate (except Gryllus) supporting his candidacy in this lapse of
>time: I think we need a law even about this point.
>Above all, what urged me to "attack" to Gryllus was the contrast between
>what he professes and what he really makes: the same day he sustains his
>candidacy and his experience, and causes that "mess" (excuse me for the
>word) about Lex Crylla; I'm sure he did it for the good of NR (I never said
>the opposite), but maybe he should considerate that one thing is
>archaeology, and another one is politics, that requires different virtues
>and that has unwritten-rules of courtesy to respect: to be a good
>archaelogist doesn't mean AUTOMATICALLY to be a good Governor in a Republic
>based on the Ancient Rome: of course you have more knowledges than me and
>many other citizens about history, but this doen't mean you are better of a
>lot of people even in politics.
>In close, here I repeat my apologies to you, Antonius Gryllus Graecus: if I
>you think to have been offended by me, then I'm sorry, probably I've been
>too impulsive (this is one of the sins of the Youth, right?:) ), but it was
>not my intention to offend you or anyone else.
>Ah, last thing: thanx to all citizens who said to appreciate however my
>English in spite of mistakes, and my apologies for those to Quintus Fabius
>Maximus.
>
>Valete Omnes, et semper Vobiscvm sit Romana Virtvs.
>Lvcivs Annevs LAVRENTIVS, candidate for Praetor.
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:33:39 -0000
> From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: I' Ve Been Too Harsh With Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
>
>Salve Luci Anne Laurenti et omnes
>
> >I've been too much harsh with Antonius Gryllus Graecus, probably you' re
>right about this: then here >are my apologies to you, Graecus.
>No, my friend! It was deserved! =)
>
> >Two days ago in an email Gryllus sustained his candidacy saying in short
>that he's the only prepared >and EXPERIENCED (I'm not experienced, he's
>right, but this isn't true for the other candidates for >Praetor)
>candidate,
>I did that because I have waited more than 1 year before running for a
>senior magistracy, while the majority of the candidates are running for
>Praetor as their 1st time.
>
> >that the other ones only follow their nose...
>Hey! I didn't remember I said this! Gush! Yes I did! Sorry! =)
>
> >well, maybe this isn't an example of >politically correct, and >I don't
>know if things like this happen >usually in Lusitania, but here in Italia
>I've >never seen nothing of >this gender about political >campaign.
>Oh! These things are daily life in Lusitania =)
>And I'm sure they were so (even worse) in ancient Roma.
>
> >Anyway, I could accept this message before the voting started, but I
>don't
>think it's permissible in a >CIVIL Republic (the problem is still the
>same...) to make propaganda while elections are on; in fact I >haven't seen
>any candidate (except Gryllus) supporting his candidacy in this lapse of
>time: I think we >need a law even about this point.
>You are quite right. A law is needed. Voting in the normal way lasts but a
>day. Here we have a longer period which we must regulate.
>
> >but maybe he should considerate that one thing is archaeology, and
>another
>one is politics, that >requires different virtues and that has
>unwritten-rules of courtesy to respect: to be a good >archaelogist doesn't
>mean AUTOMATICALLY to be a good Governor in a Republic based on the
> >Ancient
>Rome: of course you have more knowledges than me and many other citizens
>about history, >but this doen't mean you are better of a lot of people even
>in politics.
>Well, that is up to the people to judge...
>
> >In close, here I repeat my apologies to you, Antonius Gryllus Graecus: if
>I
>you think to have been >offended by me, then I'm sorry, probably I've been
>too impulsive (this is one of the sins of the Youth, >right?:) ), but it
>was
>not my intention to offend you or anyone else.
>No need for apologee. In fact I was going to send you a "Congratulations"
>email for the way you have presented your arguments =). I was not offended
>at all! And if we win, I will be glad to work with you.
>
>Valete
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:36:53 -0500
> From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: I' Ve Been Too Harsh With Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
>
>Salvete Luci Annee et alii
>
>
>
> >From: &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=034233091161146153033082190" >--------@--------&--------a>
> >
> >
> >I've been too much harsh with Antonius Gryllus Graecus, probably you' re
>right about this: then here are my apologies to you, Graecus.
>
>Everyone makes mistakes. I applaud your ability to criticize your own
>action. In this, you share something with your opponent, Antonius Gryllus
>Graecus.
>
>LAL >But I want to explain to you, citizens, the reasons of my
>"attacks".
> >Two days ago in an email Gryllus sustained his candidacy saying in short
>that he's the only prepared and EXPERIENCED (I'm not experienced, he's
>right, but this isn't true for the other candidates for Praetor)
>
>CMM Really? What is the relevant experience of the other candidates?
>When did they serve as quaestores or aediles?
>
>LAL candidate, that the other ones only follow their nose...well, maybe
>this isn't an example of politically correct, and I don't know if things
>like this happen usually in Lusitania, but here in Italia I've never seen
>nothing of this gender about political campaign.
>
>CMM Graecus' political campaign messages have always been colorful.
>It's
>pretty hard for me to take seriously the "accusation" that other candidates
>have been "following their noses". On the other hand, such slogans are
>good
>for a chuckle, especially for the reader who is not one of the other
>candidates :). Please, don't make a big deal out of a funny campaign
>message.
>
>LAL >Anyway, I could accept this message before the voting started, but
>I
>don't think it's permissible in a CIVIL Republic (the problem is still the
>same...) to make propaganda while elections are on; in fact I haven't seen
>any candidate (except Gryllus) supporting his candidacy in this lapse of
>time: I think we need a law even about this point.
>
>CMM So you want to legislate against political campaigning? And how
>will
>the voters choose among you unknown candidates, Luci Annee? Shall we draw
>your names from a hat?
>
>By the way, I must have accidentally deleted your reply to my questions
>about your intentions for the office of praetor. The only candidate whose
>response I saw is Graecus. Thank you, Antoni Grylle, for that.
>
> >Ah, last thing: thanx to all citizens who said to appreciate however my
>English in spite of mistakes, and my apologies for those to Quintus Fabius
>Maximus.
>
>Your English is fine, very readable and understandable. Much, much better
>than I could do in Italian nowadays.
> >
> >Valete Omnes, et semper Vobiscvm sit Romana Virtvs.
>
>Et tecum
>
> >Lvcivs Annevs LAVRENTIVS, candidate for Praetor.
> >
>Valete
>
>C Marius Merullus
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>
|
| Subject: |
Re: Digest Number 657 |
| From: |
"Artem Kouzminykh" ural_liz@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:29:19 PST |
|
SALVETE CIVES NOVAE ROMAE,
hey, it looks guys that we really need a political parties to be orginized
in NR - to help as naive novices to find our way in a dark forest of NR's
politics;-)) I guess a kind of political parties were indeed existed in AR
(ancient Rome), at least in Imperial era, am I wrong?
And a again have a question, probably for Rogators this time. Is there any
possibility to check that I really have voted? I'm not sure of it. Just for
experiment I inserted a random combination of symbols instead of voter code
in Cista, and it wrote to me : 'Your vote has been recorded. Thank you for
participating in Nova Roma's political process'!!!!!! And can one vote only
for one Lex, or ot is needed to vote all items?
AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS NOVAE ROMAE SED BARBARVS
LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST
VALETE IN PACE
>From: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] Digest Number 657
>Date: 11 Dec 1999 08:15:22 -0000
>
>
>>
>There are 5 messages in this issue.
>
>Topics in today's digest:
>
> 1. No apology necessary...
> From: Diana Aventina <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a>
> 2. About dissin the government
> From: "Don an--------ys Meaker" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=230166014180193192112218004036129208" >famromo@--------</a>
> 3. I' Ve Been Too Harsh With Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
> From: &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=034233091161146153033082190" >--------@--------&--------a>
> 4. Re: I' Ve Been Too Harsh With Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
> From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
> 5. Re: I' Ve Been Too Harsh With Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
> From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 04:13:52 -0800 (PST)
> From: Diana Aventina <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a>
>Subject: No apology necessary...
>
>Dear Lvcivs Annevs LAVRENTIVS,
>
>Your English is just fine, there's no need to apologize!!
>I am sure that everyone is quite happy that Nova Roma has
>citizens in non-English speaking countries.
>
>I congratulate you that you can write so well in English.
>I spend the entire day speaking, reading, and writing in
>language that is not native to me, so I do know how you
>feel!!
>Bright Blessings from Antwerpen, Belgica
>
>Diana
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>Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:07:46 -0600
> From: "Don an--------ys Meaker" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=230166014180193192112218004036129208" >famromo@--------</a>
>Subject: About dissin the government
>
>Salvete,
>
>While I cannot be called the most outstanding supporter of the
>Nova Roman government, I do know that dissin the government is
>frowned upon (at least on the main list).
>
>So for all those with even an iota of disdain for the government, I
>urge you to join the Via Trames (yes, the Latin has already been
>criticized, as if I cared). Unlike the Back Alley (which while not
>dead is awaiting a big enough boo-boo to spring back to life <G>)
>the Via Trames is open to all. There are one or two government
>officials on the list, but that just makes things that more
>interesting. Neither founder is there, but the eyes and ears of one
>are :-P.
>
>I would volunteer the Via Trames for political "discussion"
>especially for the children who cry "FOWL" at the proposed
>legislation requiring them to grow up and gain experience before
>playing hardball. Someday there may be legislation which requires
>you, regardless of age, to be a citizen of Nova Roma for perhaps as
>long as 5 years before you may run for office (with the "exceptions"
>that always pop up in the law around here, should a major city
>mayor or governor join us). May as well join now and avoid the
>rush.
>
>And of course all information on the Nova Roma First Born and his
>sister are posted there (you didn't honestly think I would pass up
>THAT opportunity, did you??????).
>
>So join us and there your bitching, moaning, crying and
>complaining will be received with scorn, laughter and criticism. No
>holds barred.
>
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>
>Pax,
>Amethystia Iunia Crystallina Materna
>
>
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>Message: 3
> Date: 10 Dec 1999 14:17:13 -0000
> From: &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=034233091161146153033082190" >--------@--------&--------a>
>Subject: I' Ve Been Too Harsh With Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
>
>Lvcivs Annevs Lavrentivs Civibvs Svis Salvtem.
>
>I've been too much harsh with Antonius Gryllus Graecus, probably you' re
>right about this: then here are my apologies to you, Graecus.
>But I want to explain to you, citizens, the reasons of my "attacks".
>Two days ago in an email Gryllus sustained his candidacy saying in short
>that he's the only prepared and EXPERIENCED (I'm not experienced, he's
>right, but this isn't true for the other candidates for Praetor) candidate,
>that the other ones only follow their nose...well, maybe this isn't an
>example of politically correct, and I don't know if things like this happen
>usually in Lusitania, but here in Italia I've never seen nothing of this
>gender about political campaign.
>Anyway, I could accept this message before the voting started, but I don't
>think it's permissible in a CIVIL Republic (the problem is still the
>same...) to make propaganda while elections are on; in fact I haven't seen
>any candidate (except Gryllus) supporting his candidacy in this lapse of
>time: I think we need a law even about this point.
>Above all, what urged me to "attack" to Gryllus was the contrast between
>what he professes and what he really makes: the same day he sustains his
>candidacy and his experience, and causes that "mess" (excuse me for the
>word) about Lex Crylla; I'm sure he did it for the good of NR (I never said
>the opposite), but maybe he should considerate that one thing is
>archaeology, and another one is politics, that requires different virtues
>and that has unwritten-rules of courtesy to respect: to be a good
>archaelogist doesn't mean AUTOMATICALLY to be a good Governor in a Republic
>based on the Ancient Rome: of course you have more knowledges than me and
>many other citizens about history, but this doen't mean you are better of a
>lot of people even in politics.
>In close, here I repeat my apologies to you, Antonius Gryllus Graecus: if I
>you think to have been offended by me, then I'm sorry, probably I've been
>too impulsive (this is one of the sins of the Youth, right?:) ), but it was
>not my intention to offend you or anyone else.
>Ah, last thing: thanx to all citizens who said to appreciate however my
>English in spite of mistakes, and my apologies for those to Quintus Fabius
>Maximus.
>
>Valete Omnes, et semper Vobiscvm sit Romana Virtvs.
>Lvcivs Annevs LAVRENTIVS, candidate for Praetor.
>
>
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>
>Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:33:39 -0000
> From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: I' Ve Been Too Harsh With Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
>
>Salve Luci Anne Laurenti et omnes
>
> >I've been too much harsh with Antonius Gryllus Graecus, probably you' re
>right about this: then here >are my apologies to you, Graecus.
>No, my friend! It was deserved! =)
>
> >Two days ago in an email Gryllus sustained his candidacy saying in short
>that he's the only prepared >and EXPERIENCED (I'm not experienced, he's
>right, but this isn't true for the other candidates for >Praetor)
>candidate,
>I did that because I have waited more than 1 year before running for a
>senior magistracy, while the majority of the candidates are running for
>Praetor as their 1st time.
>
> >that the other ones only follow their nose...
>Hey! I didn't remember I said this! Gush! Yes I did! Sorry! =)
>
> >well, maybe this isn't an example of >politically correct, and >I don't
>know if things like this happen >usually in Lusitania, but here in Italia
>I've >never seen nothing of >this gender about political >campaign.
>Oh! These things are daily life in Lusitania =)
>And I'm sure they were so (even worse) in ancient Roma.
>
> >Anyway, I could accept this message before the voting started, but I
>don't
>think it's permissible in a >CIVIL Republic (the problem is still the
>same...) to make propaganda while elections are on; in fact I >haven't seen
>any candidate (except Gryllus) supporting his candidacy in this lapse of
>time: I think we >need a law even about this point.
>You are quite right. A law is needed. Voting in the normal way lasts but a
>day. Here we have a longer period which we must regulate.
>
> >but maybe he should considerate that one thing is archaeology, and
>another
>one is politics, that >requires different virtues and that has
>unwritten-rules of courtesy to respect: to be a good >archaelogist doesn't
>mean AUTOMATICALLY to be a good Governor in a Republic based on the
> >Ancient
>Rome: of course you have more knowledges than me and many other citizens
>about history, >but this doen't mean you are better of a lot of people even
>in politics.
>Well, that is up to the people to judge...
>
> >In close, here I repeat my apologies to you, Antonius Gryllus Graecus: if
>I
>you think to have been >offended by me, then I'm sorry, probably I've been
>too impulsive (this is one of the sins of the Youth, >right?:) ), but it
>was
>not my intention to offend you or anyone else.
>No need for apologee. In fact I was going to send you a "Congratulations"
>email for the way you have presented your arguments =). I was not offended
>at all! And if we win, I will be glad to work with you.
>
>Valete
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:36:53 -0500
> From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: I' Ve Been Too Harsh With Antonius Gryllus Graecus.
>
>Salvete Luci Annee et alii
>
>
>
> >From: &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=034233091161146153033082190" >--------@--------&--------a>
> >
> >
> >I've been too much harsh with Antonius Gryllus Graecus, probably you' re
>right about this: then here are my apologies to you, Graecus.
>
>Everyone makes mistakes. I applaud your ability to criticize your own
>action. In this, you share something with your opponent, Antonius Gryllus
>Graecus.
>
>LAL >But I want to explain to you, citizens, the reasons of my
>"attacks".
> >Two days ago in an email Gryllus sustained his candidacy saying in short
>that he's the only prepared and EXPERIENCED (I'm not experienced, he's
>right, but this isn't true for the other candidates for Praetor)
>
>CMM Really? What is the relevant experience of the other candidates?
>When did they serve as quaestores or aediles?
>
>LAL candidate, that the other ones only follow their nose...well, maybe
>this isn't an example of politically correct, and I don't know if things
>like this happen usually in Lusitania, but here in Italia I've never seen
>nothing of this gender about political campaign.
>
>CMM Graecus' political campaign messages have always been colorful.
>It's
>pretty hard for me to take seriously the "accusation" that other candidates
>have been "following their noses". On the other hand, such slogans are
>good
>for a chuckle, especially for the reader who is not one of the other
>candidates :). Please, don't make a big deal out of a funny campaign
>message.
>
>LAL >Anyway, I could accept this message before the voting started, but
>I
>don't think it's permissible in a CIVIL Republic (the problem is still the
>same...) to make propaganda while elections are on; in fact I haven't seen
>any candidate (except Gryllus) supporting his candidacy in this lapse of
>time: I think we need a law even about this point.
>
>CMM So you want to legislate against political campaigning? And how
>will
>the voters choose among you unknown candidates, Luci Annee? Shall we draw
>your names from a hat?
>
>By the way, I must have accidentally deleted your reply to my questions
>about your intentions for the office of praetor. The only candidate whose
>response I saw is Graecus. Thank you, Antoni Grylle, for that.
>
> >Ah, last thing: thanx to all citizens who said to appreciate however my
>English in spite of mistakes, and my apologies for those to Quintus Fabius
>Maximus.
>
>Your English is fine, very readable and understandable. Much, much better
>than I could do in Italian nowadays.
> >
> >Valete Omnes, et semper Vobiscvm sit Romana Virtvs.
>
>Et tecum
>
> >Lvcivs Annevs LAVRENTIVS, candidate for Praetor.
> >
>Valete
>
>C Marius Merullus
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Lex Iunia de Magistratuum Aetate |
| From: |
"Artem Kouzminykh" ural_liz@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:37:47 PST |
|
I sent this email before, but afraid it didn't appear in the list;-) Hope it
is not an evil actions of political enemies;-)
SALVETE CIVES NOVAE ROMAE,
I'm the novice to NR, and may be have no rights to argue with estimated
senior citizens (and even patritians;-)), but I was really filled with
indignation at "Lex Iunia de Magistratuum Aetate". It seems to be VERY
unfair and discriminating. In fact, I just voted contra it, and hope some
more people (older than 27 years) will be honest enough to do the same.
I wonder was such age limitations a general practice in Ancient Rome, 'cos I
know in the 1st centuary some people from imperator's family were senators
and even consuls at the age of 15-18. And even if such limitations existed
they doesn't seem to be acceptable from my,point of view, because we're
living in NOVA Roma, not in Antiqua Roma - what about equal Human rights for
all? Is the right to be elected Human? Are all the citizens equal or some of
them are more equal than others? Doesn't it mean discrimination? Must we
deprive women from citizen's rights because they wasn't permitted to vote in
Rome (I think they was not?)?
That was just an opinion. Please don't get me wrong: I indeed am only 23,
but I have no wish to run for any position. Just think the existance of such
limitations is unfair. It means that some citizens have more rights then the
others just because they are older (not smarter, cleverer, more active,
expirienced ('cos expirence is not a derivative of one's age, but one's
life) - just older!!!).
To the author of the Lex: nothing insulting or personal, just politics;-)
But I guess you are much older than 27, nonne?;-)(friendly smile)
I'd like also to humbly ask, that do 'Century Points' mean? And also that is
"tribe" and 'centuary'. I received all this stuff from estimated Censores,
and don't know that to do about all these numbers:-) Is it a kind of contest
or competition I am participating in never knowing about it? :-)
AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS NOVAE ROMAE SED BARBARVS
LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST
VALETE IN PACE
(I'd be delighted if anyone could correct all above Latin phrases or to
confirm they are correct;-))
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