| Subject: |
Roman Clothes |
| From: |
Che Monro flirt@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:51:26 +1100 |
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Salve!
I'm trying to find out about roman clothes. Can anyone help me? I know a
little about the toga, how it was worn, what the colors meant etc...
What I'm more looking for is information about women's clothing of the
period. Is there any where on the net where I can find pictures of Stola
and the like?
I'm not sure if I'm going to be using roman clothing styles for my project
- I might use later fashions and reserve toga for special social
occasions... still I'd like to find out about it.
Cheers,
Che
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| Subject: |
Re: Saturnalia and the Mysteries: Speech of Pontifex Graecus in th... |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:50:53 -0000 |
|
Salvete Dexippe et omnes
><< go to the temples and show your pity to the Gods, for you
> need them in your long journey. >>
>
>Where are the temples?
I know that to mark the physical limits of the 'Templum' is your duty as an
Augur. Nevertheless, each one can also create his/her 'Templa'. I'm not only
talking about shrines for personal prayer. I'm talking about the 'Templa'
inside one's mind if one truly loves the Gods and have contact with them.
Again, I'm not talking about simple faith as that defended by the followers
of the Nazarene. I'm talking about Reason.
In my posting I talked about agriculture. Maybe you did not understand, but
I compared our mind with the land. The Gods help the Earth to give its
fruit, with the Sun and the fertilizing rains. But if one does not work that
land, all those efforts are useless.
Justice and Truth can be made to grow inside each human being. Only those
who truly understand these things are able to quest for the keys of the
Mysteries. And do not think I consider myself different from you, for I am
still striving to enter that quest.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Magistratus et Pontifex
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| Subject: |
Stranger Than Faction |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 05:58:56 PST |
|
Salvete, mei pop- oops, mei quiriti...
Querit Sulla:
>Ok Faction...that is originally what we called it.. :) What is the primary
>difference then between a faction and a political party?
Respondeo: I would say, in modern terms, the primary difference is that a
party is visible, long-lived and well-defined, and a faction usually isn't.
Parties have known leaders and officials, as well as policies which are set
forth in a manifesto. Factions don't. They tend to keep their deliberations
and membership quiet. Another difference is that anyone can claim to be, or
accuse another of being, a mamber of a faction, and either is hard to prove
or disprove - unlike party membership. What was your degree in again, Sulla?
Vale,
Vado.
P.S. For anyone who missed the pleasantry the first time, 'Faction' is also
a form of creative literature, very loosely based on the truth :-).
Valete,
Vado.
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| Subject: |
Re: Saturnalia and the Mysteries: Speech of Pontifex Graecus in th... |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:36:47 EST |
|
In a message dated 12/20/99 4:53:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> writes:
<< I know that to mark the physical limits of the 'Templum' is your duty as an
Augur. Nevertheless, each one can also create his/her 'Templa'. I'm not only
talking about shrines for personal prayer. I'm talking about the 'Templa'
inside one's mind if one truly loves the Gods and have contact with them. >>
Ok. I thought you knew of some actual physical temple that has been
established. I was going to ask for driving directions!
<<In my posting I talked about agriculture. Maybe you did not understand, but
I compared our mind with the land.>>
Nope...I understood completely.
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Saturnalia and the Mysteries: Speech of Pontifex Graecus in th... |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:44:52 -0000 |
|
Salve again Dexippe
I think that your question about 'Physical' temples also deserves an answer.
You are right. We must strive to have them. It's for that reason that I
appeal to the people. If you feel that you are the right person to reserch
and follow the path of a deity and help others to find it, please join the
efforts of the Collegia of Nova Roma. Start working now and when you feel
prepared, apply for the priesthood of your choice. We are far from filling
all the needed official priesthoods.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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| Subject: |
Re: Stranger Than Faction |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:26:08 -0500 |
|
Salvete Luci Corneli et Nicolaue Moravi et alii
Nice distinction between faction and political party.
Manifesto is more commonly described as "party platform" here in the USA.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
>From: "Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>
>
>
>Respondeo: I would say, in modern terms, the primary difference is that a
>party is visible, long-lived and well-defined, and a faction usually isn't.
>Parties have known leaders and officials, as well as policies which are set
>forth in a manifesto. Factions don't. They tend to keep their deliberations
>and membership quiet. Another difference is that anyone can claim to be, or
>accuse another of being, a mamber of a faction, and either is hard to prove
>or disprove - unlike party membership. What was your degree in again,
Sulla?
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Stranger Than Faction |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:38:58 -0500 |
|
Salvete Crystallina et alii
I figured it out!
The factions must be the geographic cliques, you know, the East Coast
Clique/Faction, the West Coast Clique/Faction, the Britannia Clique/Faction.
So the Populares must be the West Coast Clique/Faction, right?
(sniff sniff, boo hoo) I guess that I can't be a popularis. I live and work
on the East Coast :(. So, I must commit myself to eternal struggle against
the evildoers of the West Coast Faction, the Britannia Faction, and any
other factions that may rear their hideous heads over Nova Roma's future
(except for the East Coast Faction, they are the good guys and gals, because
they live within driving distance of me).
Marce Cassi, Deci Iuni, do we have a manifesto, platform....we must surely
have at least some demands? How about we sponsor an East Coast Hunger
Strike until the NR Senate agrees to strike the letter "y" from the English
Language?
Valete et ridete bene
C Marius Merullus
>From: "Don an--------ys Meaker" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=230166014180193192112218004036129208" >famromo@--------</a>
>
>I don't know about all these "factions" but the one *I* was a
>member of was a figment of some paranoid person or other. First I
>heard of it was a phone call from Sulla telling me that he and I were
>members of this "faction" because 1. I had complete and total
>control of the Back Alley, which the Senate of the time didn't seem
>to like or appreciate. and 2. because I put Sulla in charge of said
>Alley when my computer went kerfluey. If the paranoid person
>mentioned above had taken his medication, this "faction" stuff
>never would have been created. He wanted there to be a faction
>and so we played into his paranoid delusion.
>
>Pax Vobiscum,
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| Subject: |
Re: Roman Clothes |
| From: |
StarWreck@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:53:11 EST |
|
Salve Che,
As I understand the Toga was originally made from sheep wool, later on in the
empire they were often made from silk imported from China. The Toga was not
very comfortable because it was too cold in the winter and too hot in the
summer. But it was very simple because it did not require any pieces of
cloth to be sown together. The solid white toga was only allowed to be worn
by Roman Citizens, boys under 13 wore a toga with a purple stripe along the
edges, but when they turned 13 and signed up for full citizenship with their
family they received their first all white toga.
Vale,
Iulius Thompsonus
Faber est suae quisque fortunae.
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| Subject: |
Re: Digest Number 666 clothes |
| From: |
"Caius Fabius" spqr_hq@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:55:24 GMT |
|
In response, you could try this URL:
<a href="http://www.uky.edu/ArtsSciences/Classics/norma.html" target="_top" >http://www.uky.edu/ArtsSciences/Classics/norma.html</a>
Caius Fabius
>
>Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:51:26 +1100
&g-------- From: Che Monro &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=230128020180175135050082190036" &g--------ir--------..&l--------&g--------fon--------r>
>Subject: Roman Clothes
>
>Salve!
>
>I'm trying to find out about roman clothes. Can anyone help me? I know a
>little about the toga, how it was worn, what the colors meant etc...
>
>What I'm more looking for is information about women's clothing of the
>period. Is there any where on the net where I can find pictures of Stola
>and the like?
>
>I'm not sure if I'm going to be using roman clothing styles for my project
>- I might use later fashions and reserve toga for special social
>occasions... still I'd like to find out about it.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Che
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Stranger Than Faction |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:01:04 -0500 (EST) |
|
Salve Marius Merrullus;
While your thoughtful words regarding factions are strangely riveting to
this old and weary head, perhaps I could appeal to you for some slightly
different type of a strike for recognition. A "Hunger Strike" seems so
---well final as it were. (Grin!!!!!)
Perhaps in honor of the importance of the general topic we could declare
a ban on using deorderant, or perhaps no hair dressing will we
undertake until our demands are met. It may even be that the East Coast
Facton may refuse to use any derogatory references to any NR personages
until our numerous demands (whatever they may be) are recognized,
thereby confounding all those previous NR interested citizens who have
determined that we are a group who use personal insults against our
fellow members as a way of life.;-)
The very magnitude of what could be used to further our aims by threat
of our refusal to act or say or do in this vast variety of possibilities
beggars the imagination, and certainly would result in the re-evaluation
of the Hunger Strike, a very very barbaric and un-Roman-like
consideration :-)
Rally then to the barricades (such as they may be) my most honorable and
Roman friends to defend the honor and integrity of the East Coast
Faction against the slings and arrows of our erstwhile self-seeking
opponents whose feet smell of vile odors of the grave (or simply not
having been washed) and whose materfamilus grandis wore pugna
caligula!!!!
To Arms (an exercise in futility and humor for those who have not
recognized the poor literary effort),
Vale;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Holiday Season |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:22:24 -0500 (EST) |
|
Savete Citizens of Nova Roma;
As we revel in our celebrations of this time of year each in our own way
and each with our own gods and among our loved ones, I ask that all will
look to the kinder side of our natures for the peace and tranquility
that may be found there. It is said that all Gods smile upon those who
are industrious and those who are humble in thier own lights. Graecus'
comment about the Gods of Rome who bring forh the light, the heat and
the rain to bring the crops to fruiation, all of which is rendered
useless without man's effort in the fields reminded me of the old family
saying that was a favorite of my parents,"God helps those who help
themselves," and ever has it been so in my life. And so I ask blessings
from those to whom I look to for guidance, to be given to all my friends
here in Nova Roma, and to light within each of you a small flame of
friendship and comradeship that will carry us all through the coming
year.
May your Holiday be bright with gaity and may your days be full of love
and affection, even for those whom you feel may have dealt wrongly with
you. My hope is that we may all work and live together in friendship in
the coming year, and in differences we may agree to disagree without
bitterness or hatred.
All this I hope for those in Nova Roma who work for the consolidation of
this micronation.
Valete, with all the Best Wishes for this Holiday and all through the
New Year;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Stranger Than Faction |
| From: |
"Helena Equitia" gretagoring@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:40:39 PST |
|
From: "Don an--------ys Meaker" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=230166014180193192112218004036129208" >famromo@--------</a>
>I don't know about all these "factions" but the one *I* was a member of was
>a figment of some paranoid person or other..... If the paranoid person
>mentioned above had taken his medication, >this "faction" stuff never would
>have been created.
The only medication that Sulla takes is one to treat his high
blood pressure.
>Pax Vobiscum,
>Crys
Pax, really? I'm confused here.
-Helena Equitia
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Stranger Than Faction |
| From: |
"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:45:38 -0600 |
|
On 20 Dec 99, at 11:40, Helena Equitia wrote:
>
> The only medication that Sulla takes is one to treat his high
> blood pressure.
>
For your information, she who knows so very little, I was NOT
referring to my ex-owner, but someone who was and is (whether
anyone likes it or not) a far better human and Roman that he with
the high blood pressure.
> >Pax Vobiscum,
> >Crys
>
> Pax, really? I'm confused here.
>
> -Helena Equitia
This comes as no surprise.
Crys
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| Subject: |
Re: Stranger Than Faction |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:10:29 -0800 |
|
>
> I don't know about all these "factions" but the one *I* was a
> member of was a figment of some paranoid person or other. First I
> heard of it was a phone call from Sulla telling me that he and I were
> members of this "faction" because 1. I had complete and total
> control of the Back Alley, which the Senate of the time didn't seem
> to like or appreciate. and 2. because I put Sulla in charge of said
> Alley when my computer went kerfluey. If the paranoid person
> mentioned above had taken his medication, this "faction" stuff
> never would have been created. He wanted there to be a faction
> and so we played into his paranoid delusion.
>
Oh Crys. :) I just have a couple of things to say, before I allow you to
rewrite history. Revisionism is not your forte. :) Let me just ask, Q.
Fabius Maximus was Crys apart of the Faction? Cassius, when I listed the
members of the faction, did either you or I list Crys as a member of it?
Now, to Nova Roma. given the lack of credibility and outright lies. I think
its glad that Crys never did run for Rogator...how could we as citizens
believe she is not stuffing the ballots so to speak?
Sulla
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| Subject: |
Re: Stranger Than Faction |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:15:02 -0800 |
|
Nicolaus Moravius wrote:
> From: "Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>
>
> Salvete, mei pop- oops, mei quiriti...
>
> Querit Sulla:
>
> >Ok Faction...that is originally what we called it.. :) What is the primary
> >difference then between a faction and a political party?
>
> Respondeo: I would say, in modern terms, the primary difference is that a
> party is visible, long-lived and well-defined, and a faction usually isn't.
> Parties have known leaders and officials, as well as policies which are set
> forth in a manifesto. Factions don't. They tend to keep their deliberations
> and membership quiet. Another difference is that anyone can claim to be, or
> accuse another of being, a mamber of a faction, and either is hard to prove
> or disprove - unlike party membership. What was your degree in again, Sulla?
My degree, Bachelors was in Political Science with an emphasis in Public
Administration. Hence my focus wasnt in broad political groups, but was tiered
toward a more public service and public management persepective. My Masters
Degree is in Business Administration with emphasis in Intrapreneurial and
Entrepreneurial Management.
Sulla
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| Subject: |
Disagreements |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:19:48 -0500 (EST) |
|
Salvete Citizens;
May I ask that in hopes of a more dignified presence than is now being
exhibited on the Onelist, that you take your disagreements off-line!
Anyone who has been involved with this net in the last few months knows
of the emnity between you. No-one but you can change that, and I do not
want to get into the middle of it at all. However, throwing comments at
each other which sound like insults, character assassination and misuse
of legal medical terminology is not in the best interests of this net.
I ask most respectfully that you take your argument elsewhere.
To say that I am not interested is not the truth, because as I have said
I hope and pray that some bridge will be erected between you, but until
that happens, your comments on this net are inconsiderate, unnecessary
and offensive. I ask all of you so engaged to consider the other
citizens of Nova Roma that have objected strenuously to just this kind
of exchange.
Respectfully and with regret;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Disagreements |
| From: |
Marius Fimbria legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:55:12 -0600 (CST) |
|
Salve, Minuci Audens, et salvete omnes...
The List has been doing really well in the avoidance of flameage in
recent months, and the sudden appearance of same has disturbed me to no
end.
The whole political parties-->factions thread has managed, for most of
a week now, to provide Citizens a chance to air out the events of the
first half of this year. They have been doing this calmly, avoiding
the trap of laying blame, and gaining a bit of perspective; I never
thought I'd see the period leading up to the Interregnum discussed so
quietly, so seriously, or so rationally... It is my view that such
discussion is the absolutely-essential first step in really healing our
wounds from back then, as opposed to papering them over and pretending
real hard that they don't exist. This is a process that I myself still
need to go through--some of you may have heard me refer to it as 'the
dance of reconciliation'--and the recent thread has been very helpful
to me in this regard.
Needless to say, anything that poses a threat to that process I am
going to take very seriously...most seriously indeed. The message
against Crys was such a threat, posing the capability of nuking the
whole conversation back to the Stone Age. I have already communicated
with both participants, and am assured that the nascent flame-war will
not continue.
I apologize to our subscribers for the disturbance. It is up to the
Listmembers what happens to the conversation from here...
In amicitia et fides,
************************************************************
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mka Märia Villarroel |\=/|
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Disagreements |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:22:45 -0500 (EST) |
|
Salve, Marius Fimbria;
Do not mistake me, I beg. I have no problem with the factions / parties
discussion. I have even attempted a humorous fling at the topic myself.
However, my post was directed at the flare up of insult exchange between
two parties of past disagreement. I am most pleased to hear that you
have addressed the problem, and I will hold my peace.
I am strongly aware however of the pleas of the Citizens of Nova Roma in
response to Consul Sulla's Survey as well as face-to-face and personal
message responses for a modicum of civility on the net. I am sure that
you are as aware as I of that situation. That has been in the past, is
now and will be in the future of considerable concern to me, and I will
expect to be able to voice that concern in a polite and firm way as I
deem it necessary. I see, in this case, that I may have anticipated
your responsibility, and for that I express myself as being as sorry as
I should be. However, as has been mentioned in the past--wounds, rubbed
raw with repeated abuse, can become extremely tender.
Valete, and My Apologies to Your Quick Action;
Marcus Minucius Audens;
Praetor et Senator
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Disagreements |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:08:12 -0500 |
|
Salvete Audens et Fimbria et Novi et alii
I think that M Martianus Gangalius did a good thing when he put together the
chronicle of last year's events. He was able to write up a pretty objective
summary of events because he had not even joined when most of those things
took place. He read the list archives, and, I think, asked some people some
questions to figure out what ideas had been exchanged, then summarized his
findings and put it on the website.
If M Martianus is still out there, I ask him to speak up about passing this
project on to a new newcomer, someone who perhaps came into NR just before
the Impeachment/Interregnum. In the absence of his speaking up, I urge
newcomers to consider undertaking this type of history. Only you can do it,
because those of us who have been here longer have our own preconceived
notions about NR, and to some extent personal interests and perspectives,
that impede objective historical writing.
The benefit for all of us would be at least twofold:
i) We get to read an unbiased description of the events, which may help us
put it into a more accurate perspective for ourselves
ii) We get a measure of closure. An objective history, written by a
newcomer who was completely uninvolved in Impeachment/Interregnum, will
remove a lot of the room that now exists for accusation and resentment.
On the other hand, I believe that arguing about those events, and about
other stains on the fabric of our history, here on this list is probably
useless at this point. Remember, we already had pages of exchanges between
L Equitius Cincinnatus and M Cassius Iulianus that pretty much spelled out
the key elements of the Impeachment/Interregnum. (if any newcomer is asking
"what pages? what exchanges? what's an interregnum?", you're a candidate
for the job of chronicler in my opinion)
Besides, if we spend our energy arguing about the past, how ever shall we
manage to create fresh crises for ourselves :)?
Valete
C Marius Merullus
>From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/font>
>
>Do not mistake me, I beg. I have no problem with the factions / parties
>discussion. I have even attempted a humorous fling at the topic myself.
>However, my post was directed at the flare up of insult exchange between
>two parties of past disagreement. I am most pleased to hear that you
>have addressed the problem, and I will hold my peace.
>
However, as has been mentioned in the past--wounds, rubbed
>raw with repeated abuse, can become extremely tender.
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Disagreements |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:40:01 -0800 |
|
Actually. When I had lunch with Q. Fabius he wrote one such article up. He has
it, and I believe its completed. I know I would like to see it. He has saved
every e-mail he has gotten in regards to it.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla
RMerullo wrote:
> From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
> Salvete Audens et Fimbria et Novi et alii
>
> I think that M Martianus Gangalius did a good thing when he put together the
> chronicle of last year's events. He was able to write up a pretty objective
> summary of events because he had not even joined when most of those things
> took place. He read the list archives, and, I think, asked some people some
> questions to figure out what ideas had been exchanged, then summarized his
> findings and put it on the website.
>
> If M Martianus is still out there, I ask him to speak up about passing this
> project on to a new newcomer, someone who perhaps came into NR just before
> the Impeachment/Interregnum. In the absence of his speaking up, I urge
> newcomers to consider undertaking this type of history. Only you can do it,
> because those of us who have been here longer have our own preconceived
> notions about NR, and to some extent personal interests and perspectives,
> that impede objective historical writing.
>
> The benefit for all of us would be at least twofold:
>
> i) We get to read an unbiased description of the events, which may help us
> put it into a more accurate perspective for ourselves
> ii) We get a measure of closure. An objective history, written by a
> newcomer who was completely uninvolved in Impeachment/Interregnum, will
> remove a lot of the room that now exists for accusation and resentment.
>
> On the other hand, I believe that arguing about those events, and about
> other stains on the fabric of our history, here on this list is probably
> useless at this point. Remember, we already had pages of exchanges between
> L Equitius Cincinnatus and M Cassius Iulianus that pretty much spelled out
> the key elements of the Impeachment/Interregnum. (if any newcomer is asking
> "what pages? what exchanges? what's an interregnum?", you're a candidate
> for the job of chronicler in my opinion)
>
> Besides, if we spend our energy arguing about the past, how ever shall we
> manage to create fresh crises for ourselves :)?
>
> Valete
>
> C Marius Merullus
>
> >From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/font>
> >
> >Do not mistake me, I beg. I have no problem with the factions / parties
> >discussion. I have even attempted a humorous fling at the topic myself.
> >However, my post was directed at the flare up of insult exchange between
> >two parties of past disagreement. I am most pleased to hear that you
> >have addressed the problem, and I will hold my peace.
> >
> However, as has been mentioned in the past--wounds, rubbed
> >raw with repeated abuse, can become extremely tender.
> >
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Disagreements |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:40:09 EST |
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<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> writes:
Salvete C. Marius Merullus et al.
<< read the list archives, and, I think, asked some people some
questions to figure out what ideas had been exchanged, then summarized his
findings and put it on the website.<<
I said earlier, I have been going through the volume of e-mail produced
during the crisis, and have sketched out a rough outline for the addition to
the "Annuals," (Tactius forgive me). Since I am a member of the Sullian
faction, but neither a member of the constitutionists, nor the legalists, I
felt I could bring perspective to the whole mess including the minor part I
played. Also since I am a historian of reasonable merit, I can write
coherently.
About Crys & Sulla. In answer to Lucius Cornelius question posed to be in
public I must say this. Since Crystillina agreed with most our desires
concerning our faction goals here in Nova Roma, I would say she was a kindred
spirit. But not once did she declare she was truly of our faction and I
wouldn't expect a priestess of Juno to do so. I'm glad that Marius has
reminded the warring parties of their dignatis to the rest of us on this list.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Disagreements |
| From: |
"Don and Crys Meaker" famromo@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:20:28 -0600 |
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On 20 Dec 99, --------0:40, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------; wrote:
> About Crys & Sulla. In answer to Lucius Cornelius question posed to be in
> public I must say this. Since Crystillina agreed with most our desires
> concerning our faction goals here in Nova Roma, I would say she was a
> kindred spirit. But not once did she declare she was truly of our faction
> and I wouldn't expect a priestess of Juno to do so. I'm glad that Marius
> has reminded the warring parties of their dignatis to the rest of us on
> this list. Valete Q. Fabius Maximus
Everybody knows what my feelings are and which side I am on. If
you don't you won't find out here. I do not think, as priestess of
Juno, that my "position" be made public.
At the time, however I *was* a kindred spirit. I didn't agree with
everything and didn't understand everything, but that's nothing new
either.
The one thing the two replies reminded me of was to redo the filters
in my email program.
Pax vobiscum,
Crystallina Materna
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| Subject: |
Re: Potential Roman setllement in Ireland |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:55:39 -0500 (EST) |
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In regard to the subject topic, there was some consideration of a Roman
Military Landing in Ireland at a geograpghical point that would have
answered the needs of the Roman Fleet in landing an army of occupation.
There was some indication of a fortified area on the site. but no real
evidence at the time of the report.
Romans living in Ireland around the Dublin area is something else again.
Q, Fabius Maximus may have a better view on the possibility than I.
Another souce for information in that vein is Armalist (primarily for
Roman Weapons / Armor) and I believe there are several other Roman URLs
that maintain historical indexes and a question / answer capability.
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Journal Of Roman Archaeology |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:43:20 -0500 (EST) |
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Salve, Citizens;
I mentioned this magazine in passing at the Nova Briannia Provincial
Meeting, and was practically threatend with my life (GRIN!!!!!) if I did
not get the information on the net. This is the letter written to me in
answer to my query of the magazine.
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
Dear Jim Mathews,
In response to your inquiry, I wanted to let you know that this Journal
publishes one very large, academic issue per year, which costs $61.68 which
includes postage and credit card fees. This current year's issue, JRA 12
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Sincerely,
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