Subject:	Min Age Law
From:	"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" sarmaticus@--------
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:04:12 YEKT

>Lvcivs Annevs Lavrentivs Civibvs Svis Salvtem.
>

>The so-contested minimum age law finally passed: I still think this
>will only create problems to NR, but only time could say who's right.

I'm too thinking that was very unfair, undemocratic and wrong... But now
it's already a fact. Dura lex sed lex;-(((

AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE

LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST

VALETE IN PACE

Subject:	nosey and gossipy newcomer(s)
From:	"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" sarmaticus@--------
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:14:00 YEKT

>
>From: Diana Aventina <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a>
>

>I would agree with you, except that for some reason, people
>say nasty things on public email lists that they would
>never dream of saying face to face (with a room full of
>people to witness it). Perhaps those newcomers that are
>nosey and gossipy (whoops! I meant to type "interested")can
>ask in private to their paterfamilias for details as to the
>history of Nova Roma.

Guess it's me, 'nosey and gossipy'... But whom am I poor Artorius, to ask?
AFAIK I am my own paterfamilias ...;-)

Don't worry, I'll probably soon become many times less nosey and gossipy
(whoops! I meant to type "interested") because of the soon problems with
internet accessing;-(

Generally I wrote this message to say that IMHO said historical Comission
(Cooperative+mission - think of it!) must work outside of this Forum,
undoubtally, via closed specially created list or private messages.

AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE

LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST

VALETE IN PACE

Subject:	Historian
From:	"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" sarmaticus@--------
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:18:15 YEKT

That's a good idea too, IMHO. An or a Historical comission/commitee is
something that loks worth existing in Rome. S/he/they could be from the
vigintisexviri, e.g.

AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE

LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST

VALETE IN PACE

>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=244212192108059125184229163208114253071048139" >GregTheRed@--------</--------;
>
> Salvete!
>
> Perhaps Nova Roma should appoint an to compile an accurate
>and impartial Official History of Nova Roma. The great Roman historians of
>the past (Livy, The Divine Claudius, Suetonius, etc..) would be disgusted
>if
>the witnessed the possibility of a new begining of Roma that is not
>recorded!
>
>Tiberius Augustulus Claudius.
>
>

Subject:	Checking
From:	"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" sarmaticus@--------
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:40:47 YEKT

I wonder why my several previous messages didn't appear in the list. Am I
banned, blocked, unsubscribe - what for?

SARMATICUS

Subject:	Re: Centuriata Voting Results
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:42:28 -0500 (EST)

Salvete, Citizens of Nova Roma;

I wish to thank all the Citizens who voted and exercised thier belief me
as the Candidate for Consul. The number of votes tallied by the
Rogators indicates an excellent voter turnout and for that indication of
confidence I thank you. In the days ahead, until the 1st of January I
shall be discussing the program that the government intends to follow in
the coming year with my fellow Consul-Elect Q, Fabius Maximus.

As your votes have propelled this micronation into it's next year of
existance, so will your ideas, comments, support and assistance be
required to carry the nation through with honor, success, and dignity,
all for which Nova Roma stands. You have my profound thanks for your
involvement to date, and my hopes and efforts with those of my fellow
Consul-Elect for the coming year.

Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens;
Consul-Elect

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Centuriata voting results
From:	"Gary E. McGrath" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166091200038031025218051036129208" >garymac@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:53:40 -0500

Salvete Good Citizens of Nova Roma,

Please accept my heartfelt appreciation for turning out to cast your all-important votes and for placing your trust and confidence in me as a candidate for Praetor. Rest assured that I will do my utmost in service to the Senate and the People of Nova Roma.

During these next few days prior to my taking office I will be reviewing the laws and history of Nova Roma as well as making contact with various members of the government-elect so as to more fully prepare myself for the tasks ahead. I would ask that anyone and indeed everyone who has ANY thoughts, ideas and/or suggestions to feel free to contact myself or the other members of the government-elect to share them with us.

Again my thanks to everyone who supported me and especially for the excellent voter turnout and the votes cast for all candidates and laws. May the Gods and Goddesses look favorably upon our Republic!

Vale, with respects;

Marcus Iunius Iulianus

Praetor-elect

Subject:	Re: Annals 1999 (copy)
From:	GregTheRed@--------
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:55:14 EST

Salvete!

My greatest passion is history. I would be honored beyond all else
if I were permitted to at leat in part write a history of Nova Roma for 1999.
If it would please the members of Nova Roma, I should like to begin a
history, but only if that would be acceptable to the other members. I would
also like to enlist the aide of others who would be interested in edeavoring
to compose an accurate and complete history.

WE CANNOT LET HISTORY DIE!

Tiberius Augustulus Claudius

Subject:	Historian
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:20:54 -0500 (EST)

Salve, Tiberius;

As you may already have seen, anyone may write anything they wish. That
being said are you proposing that you should be the ofiicial Historian
of NR? If that is a proposal it should be made to the Consuls for
consideration. Once the proposal has been received and acknowledged,
the Consuls will consider the proposal, in this case probably contact
the "past" Historian, as to his availability or not, further discuss
your intentions with you and take the appropriate action. May I make
this suggetion that if you wish to write the official history of the NR
1999 affairs, perhaps you might wish to consider proposing a Sodalitas
for that Purpose (NR Historical Sodalitus or something similar) gather
some people who can assist you in this effort and make a formal
proposal. In this way the work that you propose can become a part of NR
and not just another version.

I also suggest that you read the Web-Page thoroughly in order to garner
some idea how things are done in NR. It will probably save a lot of
these questions, the answers for which may generally be found there to
begin with. It was set up with much care for that very purpose and I
use it every day to assist me in the same way.

Vale,
Marcus Minucius Audens


Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Historian
From:
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:56:47 -0800

Salve! I personally would like to hear Q. Fabius's version. One of the
primary reasons he joined NR was because of wanting to chronicle it. He has
the experience in the area of News Reporting. Lets hear Q. Fabius's version
since he has saved every piece of e-mail he got during the Crises. Both
official e-mail via the lists and private e-mails from other individuals.

L. Cornelius Sulla

James Mathews wrote:

> From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/font>
>
> Salve, Tiberius;
>
> As you may already have seen, anyone may write anything they wish. That
> being said are you proposing that you should be the ofiicial Historian
> of NR? If that is a proposal it should be made to the Consuls for
> consideration. Once the proposal has been received and acknowledged,
> the Consuls will consider the proposal, in this case probably contact
> the "past" Historian, as to his availability or not, further discuss
> your intentions with you and take the appropriate action. May I make
> this suggetion that if you wish to write the official history of the NR
> 1999 affairs, perhaps you might wish to consider proposing a Sodalitas
> for that Purpose (NR Historical Sodalitus or something similar) gather
> some people who can assist you in this effort and make a formal
> proposal. In this way the work that you propose can become a part of NR
> and not just another version.
>
> I also suggest that you read the Web-Page thoroughly in order to garner
> some idea how things are done in NR. It will probably save a lot of
> these questions, the answers for which may generally be found there to
> begin with. It was set up with much care for that very purpose and I
> use it every day to assist me in the same way.
>
> Vale,
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>

Subject:	Re: Digest Number 669
From:	JSA <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=081166091180193192130061163101147165026048139046" >varromurena@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:29:50 -0800 (PST)

> In light of this, your write-up simply does not have
> the objectivity needed
> for an addition to NR's annals, in the style that
> the work was undertaken by
> M Martianus Gangalius. Wouldn't it seem odd to you,
> that a man elected
> consul in the very same year as the
> Impeachment/Interregnum, would become
> the official NR historian of the events of the
> Impeachment/Interregnum?
>
> Let's have a newcomer do it. Anyone who has the
> inclination can write
> whatever they want, and, as I said, I'd love to read
> your version of the
> events, I'm sure that it will add to my
> comprehension of what happened. But
> it's not for the annals.
>
> Valete
>
> C Marius Merullus
>

Since most "official" histories tend towards a
whitewash, why not just post on the NR website, in
chronological order, all the various emails and
messages generated by this period in NR's history,
thus making the evidence available to all, and agree
to post interpretations of this period--as based in
the evidence--on the website. Thus those who took part
in these events can post their recollections, and
newcomers with no axe to grind can try to make sense
of this period. Imagine if Roma Antiqua had done
something similar for one of its many constitutional
crises! Not only would this be a wonderful exercise in
history and historical memory, it might also serve to
clear the air a bit, much like those "Truth
Commissions" so popular in the world today.

L. Licinius Varro Murena
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Subject:	Centuriata voting results (Fabius Speech of Thanks)
From:
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:56:23 EST

Salvete!
At this time of joyous celebration during the feast of Saturn, I'd like to
thank the citizens of Nova Roma for first showing that they care for our
micro nation by coming out and voting, and second voting for me even though I
was running unopposed. By doing so, you show much confidence in my ability
to keep NR moving towards its goals. I acknowledge this trust and vow to
continue to carry it out to the best of my ability.
My fellow consul Marcus Minucius Audens one of our current Praetor Urbanus,
former Quaestor and Military Tribune of NR is one the best qualified persons
here in Roma and I'm most fortunate to have him.
Our Praetors Urbanii are both good men and citizens.
Our censors are dedicated to their job, which is important to Nova Roma's
continuance
Our Quaestors are veterans of the job, and know their duties well.
Our Tribunes of the Plebs will keep us, the Patricians on our toes, and in
line protecting the Plebeians' rights.
Our Aedlii will continue to work on the virtual Rome, making it better then
before.
But this is not enough citizens of Rome! We must have more dedicated people
working for the Republic!
Once we assume office, Marcus Minucius Audens and myself will
be in consultation with the Senate, to pick the best qualified people to
carry out tasks in Nova Roma. And when we come to you asking for your help,
citizens, please do not turn us away. Only through all our combined efforts
can Roma flourish and continue to grow.
I ask the College of Pontiffs to continue their fine efforts, and ask for the
gods blessings on our fledgling republic.
Fortuna smile upon us!
Valete!
Quintus Fabius Maximus

Subject:	1999 Annals
From:	"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:58:31 YEKT

Salve!

I'm totally agree with Mr. Lvcivs Annevs Lavrentivs Civibvs - the Histiry
must be written. I like the idea of the Comission consisting of the
representatives (of the most tolerant & tranquille of them!!!) of all the
factions.
I'd also be glad to write such Annals myself, a believe the role of such
(semi)official Historian & judge must be rather honorable, but... I'm
probably the worst newcomer to do so, as I'm not anglophone, and AFAIK all
the coomunication within the NR has always been done in English;-((( It's
rather difficult sometimes (IMHO) for non-anglophone NR citizens to
understand some things are said in this list and some NR's legal documents
either... There's something must be done about it...
So, it'd take me some years (!!!) to understand that had happened in NR
during this year, and - which is even more difficult for me - to discribe it
in comparatively correct English;-) I don't think citizens would wait for
years for the 1999 Annals.

Therefor I'm still asking someone to explain it all for novices in a simple,
BASIC, English language... Or I'm starting to use Russian in this list!!!
(kidding;-))

PS BTW do I use word Annals correctly in this context?;-))
AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE

LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST

VALETE IN PACE


>From: &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=034233091161146153033082190" >--------@--------&--------a>
>
>Lvcivs Annevs Lavrentivs Civibvs Svis Salvtem.
>
>I wasn't an active citizen of NR while the "Civil War" shattered the
>population, then I'm quite in the dark about this subject, even if
>I'm a citizen since sept. '98...I've heard many times about this
>period, about the Dictator and the mess that happened, but I've never
>understand a lot about all this.
>I think it's necessarious that all citizens know about the history of
>their nation, as in real countries as in virtual nations. "Historia
>magistra vitae" said Latins: how can we get teaching from history if we
>don't know what happened in the past? We must know it, so that we don't
>repeat the same mistakes that we made.
>Now, it's also true that it's hard to write history when an event
>happened just a few months ago, we can't assure objectivity in it, but
>people MUST know: what is then the solution?
>We can let the winners to write history (but I guess this would create
>"some" problems) or we could institute a commission made by all the
>"factions" of the "Civil War", so that they'll find an agreement about
>what really happened in this period.
>I also think it's deplorable to say "stop talking about that" or "we
>shouldn't discuss about this, it's dangerous...": we've to understand
>why these things happened, and I think a CIVIL discussion can only be
>a good way to face the problem: we can't live in a republic where
>people is afraid of talking about past; if the problem is still open we
>should try to solve it amongst us, and not to try to hide it.
>
>Valete Omnes, et semper Vobiscvm sit Romana Virtvs.
>Lvcivs Annevs LAVRENTIVS.
>
>

Subject:	1999 Annals
From:	"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 1999 17:59:05 YEKT

Salvete!

I send this email before but for some mysterious reason it didn't appear in
the list yet. Hope you'll read this one.

I am totally agree with Lvcivs Annevs Lavrentivs. I think that special
Historical comission (from most tolerant and tranquille members of all the
factions) or unbiased Historian must be appointed to write the NR annals for
year 1999.

Personally I'd love such a honorable role as NR's (semi) official Historian
very much, but afraid it's impossible - I'm not the Anglophone, so it'd take
me several YEARS to understand all that was said and done in NR and - which
is more - to discribe it all in comparatively correct English language;-(. I
don't think NRomans would wait for theirs 1999 Annals for years;-)

That is why I'm asking all the time someone to discribe the Crisis/War
events briefly in a simple, _basic_ English language, and share it, for both
non-anglophones and future newcomers.

AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE

LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST

VALETE IN PACE

>We can let the winners to write history (but I guess this would create
>"some" problems) or we could institute a commission made by all the
>"factions" of the "Civil War", so that they'll find an agreement about
>what really happened in this period.
>

Subject:	Re: Checking - to the list moderator
From:	"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:07:48 YEKT

That's OK, the 3 others appeared. About 2 hours after I send them...


>From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] Checking - to the list moderator
>Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:23:12 -0800
>
>From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
>Do you think you might be able to resend it? This message came through
>clear.
>
>L. Cornelius Sulla
>
><a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a> wrote:
>
> > From: <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a>
> >
> > Salve!
> >
> > Dear Sir/Madam!
> >
> > Could you please inform me why my latest messages are not appearing in
>the List? I am a member AFAIK. Am I blocked, banned or something else?
> >
> > AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE
> >
> > LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST
> >
> > VALETE IN PACE
> >
> >
>
>

Subject:	Re: Roman and Greek measuring tools
From:	Megas-Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:27:20 -0600

Avete Omnes!

Another SCA posting. Thought a Nova Roman could be of service. This is
one way in which we gain "good prees" for the nation.

In Amicus - Venator

Ygraineogf wrote:
>
> >"Malachias Invictus"
>
> >Greetings! Does anyone here have knowledge of Ancient Greek and Roman
> >measuring tools, their accuracy and the like?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Herr Malachias von Morgenstern, Kapitän der Galatea
> >Syndic of the Loyal Guild of Saint Erasmus - We put the "Sea" in SCA!
> >Shire of Danegeld Tor/Principality of Cynagua/Kingdom of the West
> >
> >capt_malachias <AT> juno.com
> >
>
> Actually, I just this weekend was at the Pompeii exhibit at the LA County
> Museum of Art. They had an extensive section on tools that showed various
> compasses, squares, calipers and rulers (for want of a better word). According
> to the exhibit information the Roman "foot" was 11 5/8 inches. Almost
> everything I saw could have come from a tool box of the early 20th century.
> There are some tools my Dad had that could easily be mistaken for the ones at
> the museum.
>
> Ygraine
> Calafia, Caid
> "HOPE does not necessarily mean overcoming fear. It means feeling the presence
> of LIFE even while you are afraid" - The Alpha Book on Cancer and Living
> <a href="http://users.abac.com/markt/womenscamp/" target="_top" >http://users.abac.com/markt/womenscamp/</a>

Subject:	Re: Re: Roman and Greek measuring tools
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:50:00 -0500 (EST)

Salve, Merchant Mariner;

I have some very small knowledge of the use of Roman engineering
instruments:

--Dioptra;
--leveling target stick (for use with the dioptra)
--Groma;
--leveling table for determining gain or loss of elevation;
--and mile measuring instrument for placing of milestones;
--a variety of drafting instruments; pens, dividers, etc.;
--three different types of lifting devices (cranes);
--Rock splitting / cutting tools.

Vale;
In the Service of Rome;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Tribune Militum Laticlavius (Military Engineer), Commander Military
Engineering / Cartography Sodalitus, Nova Roma;

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!