| Subject: |
Re: A Very Important Question... |
| From: |
"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" sarmaticus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:46:34 YEKT |
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Salve Lvcivs Annevs Lavrentivs !
Just some days ago I asked the very same question in this list, and found
out that all these AFAIKs, and IMHO, and also BTW (by the way) mean, and
therefor now I use them all the time. I like these abbreveations;-)
AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE
LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST
VALE IN PACE
>From: "rcw" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] A Very Important Question...
>Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:12:55 -0800
>
>From: "rcw" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
>Salve! :) Here is what they mean:
>
>IMHO - In My Honest (Humble) Opinion
>AFAIK - As Far As I Know.
>
>Hope that helps you. :)
>
>Sulla
>----- Original Message -----
>From: &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=034233091161146153033082190" >--------@--------&--------a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 5:09 PM
>Subject: [novaroma] A Very Important Question...
>
>
> > From: &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=034233091161146153033082190" >--------@--------&--------a>
> >
> > Lvcivs Annevs Lavrentivs Civibvs Svis Salvtem.
> >
> > Hi citizens! I've just one decisive question before I go to bed (2am
>here
> > in Italica Provincia!): could you explain to me what does it mean "IMHO"
> > and "AFAIK"??? I've seen these abbreviations (I guess they're abbrev.)
> > many times in these days, especially used by Sarmaticvs, but I didn't
> > understand its meaning...thanx fer yer answer and merry Christmas and
> > happy IUBILAEVM to you all (tonite has been opened by the Pope the
> > "Holy Door" in S.Pietro, Rome: it's the beginning of the holy year fer
> > Christians...).
> >
> > Valete Omnes, et semper Vobiscvm sit Romana Virtvs.
> > Lvcivs Annevs LAVRENTIVS.
> >
> > >
>
>
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| Subject: |
Wat case to use with "Salve" - linguistical question |
| From: |
"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" sarmaticus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:35:33 YEKT |
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Salvete cives!
I have a question for those citizens who knows Latin. I wonder what case one
should REALLY use with (after) "Salve(te)", "vale(te)", "Ave(te)" etc.? It
seems that in NR's emails (my ones too;-() there's a lot of confusion made
about it. IMHO, the Vocative should be used, that means that all the
nouns/names must be spelled without any changes (i.e. as in Nominative),
save for masculine nouns/names that end in Nominative with "-us". The last
one should take the ending "-e". At least, my Latin textbook tells me so.
Thus, "Salve Aule Artorius Arius Sarmatice", "Vale Marce Minicius Audens",
"Salve Flavius Vedius Germanice", "Salve Alexander Probe" are all correct,
but "Salve Artori, Ari, Flavi" etc. are wrong.
Am I right?
Hope this linguistical question will be less painful than previous about
parties in NR and the Annals for 1999;-)
AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE
LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST
VALE IN PACE
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| Subject: |
Re: What case to use with "Salve" - linguistical question |
| From: |
"Martins-Esteves" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=070059114056017198090218141036129208" >esteves@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:24:57 -0200 |
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Salvete Quirites!
Salve A. Artori Auri Sarmatice!
> Salvete cives!
>
> I have a question for those citizens who knows Latin. I wonder what case
one
> should REALLY use with (after) "Salve(te)", "vale(te)", "Ave(te)" etc.? It
> seems that in NR's emails (my ones too;-() there's a lot of confusion made
> about it. IMHO, the Vocative should be used, (...)
Yes, with SALVE and AVE (and plural forms) definetly the Vocative. In
epistolar language though, the Dative is very common, too. Cicero would say:
M. T. Cicero S. D. A. Artorio
M(arcus) T(ullius) Cicero S(alutem) D(icit) A(ulo) Artorio
(...)
> that means that all the
> nouns/names must be spelled without any changes (i.e. as in Nominative),
save
> for masculine nouns/names that end in Nominative with "-us". The last one
> should take the ending "-e". At least, my Latin textbook tells me so.
Thus,
> "Salve Aule Artorius Arius Sarmatice", "Vale Marce Minicius Audens",
"Salve
> Flavius Vedius Germanice", "Salve Alexander Probe" are all correct, but
"Salve
> Artori, Ari, Flavi" etc. are wrong.
>
> Am I right?
Partially right. The names ending in -US form vocative in -E, as you said.
But the names in -IUS form vocative in I (long), by means of contraction of
I + E. Thus, taking your name as an example:
Artorius -- Artori
Arius -- Ari;
and so on.
That applies also to some nouns (/pronouns), as filius and meus, in the
vocative: fili and mi. Remember Caesar:
tu quoque fili mi Brute
(They should have said his final words in Greek, actually...)
Very cold over there in Russia? Sometimes, walking down the hot streets of
Rio, I wish I were there...
Vale
Valete
Titus Horatius Atticus
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| Subject: |
Re: What case to use with "Salve" - linguistical question |
| From: |
"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" sarmaticus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:38:09 YEKT |
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Salve Tite Horati Attice! (hope this is correct, in the end;-)
Thanks for your complete answer!
Yes, with SALVE and AVE (and plural forms) definetly the Vocative. In
>epistolar language though, the Dative is very common, too. Cicero would
>say:
>M. T. Cicero S. D. A. Artorio
>M(arcus) T(ullius) Cicero S(alutem) D(icit) A(ulo) Artorio
Mm, I didn't know that! Gratiam ago!
>But the names in -IUS form vocative in I (long), by means of contraction
>of
>I + E. Thus, taking your name as an example:
>Artorius -- Artori
>Arius -- Ari;
>and so on.
>That applies also to some nouns (/pronouns), as filius and meus, in the
>vocative: fili and mi. Remember Caesar:
>tu quoque fili mi Brute
Mmmm again... In this case my textbook keeps silence! Thanks for educating
me again! Let us use Latin correctly!
>Very cold over there in Russia? Sometimes, walking down the hot streets of
>Rio, I wish I were there...
Oh, don't say me about hot streets of Rio!!! The dream!!! Indeed, last two
days are rather cold in Sarmatia - -15...-20 degrees at daylight. But this
is our usual weather for December, not particulary cold, you know;-) We've
already had -35 daylight temperature this November;-(((
AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE
LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST
VALE IN PACE
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| Subject: |
Welcome Back!!!! |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:12:44 -0500 (EST) |
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Salve, Titus Horatius Atticus, My Friend;
I have not seen your posts on this list in some time. I am very glad to
see you here again!!
I noticed that the "long pond" just a mile or two from here has a good
coating of ice on it ths morning and the edges of the river out to the
center are also frozen. A sure sign that winter (deep wnter) is coming
on. The warm streets of Rio sound most inviting!! (Grin!!!)
Vale, Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Cordius Paulus/Paul Le Corde |
| From: |
"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" sarmaticus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:32:59 YEKT |
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Salve!
Please,
is Cordius Paulus/Paul Le Corde still in NR? Anyone know how to contact him?
I saw his message in NR list archives, but the address was only
paul_lecorde@--------;-((
AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE
LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST
VALETE IN PACE
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| Subject: |
Sorry |
| From: |
"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" sarmaticus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:37:00 YEKT |
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Sorry,
I've ----------------foud out myself it's <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=197166044078159153184102065148081239136144139046209" >p--------lecorde@--------</--------;. P--------nce h--------br>
never been my strongest side;-)
AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE
LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST
VALE IN PACE
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| Subject: |
Re: What case to use with "Salve" - linguistical question |
| From: |
thomas.h@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:45:49 +0100 |
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> From: "A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a>
> Subject: Wat case to use with "Salve" - linguistical question
>
> Salvete cives!
>
> I have a question for those citizens who knows Latin. I wonder
> what case one
> should REALLY use with (after) "Salve(te)", "vale(te)", "Ave(te)"
> etc.? It
> seems that in NR's emails (my ones too;-() there's a lot of
> confusion made
> about it. IMHO, the Vocative should be used, that means that all
> the
> nouns/names must be spelled without any changes (i.e. as in
> Nominative),
> save for masculine nouns/names that end in Nominative with "-us".
> The last
> one should take the ending "-e". At least, my Latin textbook tells
> me so.
> Thus, "Salve Aule Artorius Arius Sarmatice", "Vale Marce Minicius
> Audens",
> "Salve Flavius Vedius Germanice", "Salve Alexander Probe" are all
> correct,
> but "Salve Artori, Ari, Flavi" etc. are wrong.
>
> Am I right?
>
> Hope this linguistical question will be less painful than previous
> about
> parties in NR and the Annals for 1999;-)
>
> AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE
>
> LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST
>
> VALE IN PACE
Salve Aule, Yes you are basically right. Taking for granted the very
prescriptive manner in which our grammars of Latin are made (only taking
the big classical authors and only allowing those structures and things
they did) only the Vocative is entirely correct. However, if you use the
Vocative, the whole name should be put into this case, making names
sound very strange: Aule Artori Ari Sarmatice or Marce Minici Audente
or Flavi Vedi Germanice because names ending in -ius have the Vocative
ending -i making Artori, Ari, Flavi very correct again.
However, for all those who think that this is very confusing and much to
learn, I can assure you that even during the first century AD variant
forms for this have existed. There are many used in the graphiti in
Pompeji which I happen to study right now. So don't dispair and keep on
using the forms you like most because in Latin it is the same as in
every other language; different people have different language
competence and therefore also different language performance. (Sorry,
linguistic terms)
I hope this does not keep you from learning more Latin,
Vale semper, Tiberius Anneus Otho
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| Subject: |
OT: Re: Re: Latin words for spam |
| From: |
Mia Soderquist tuozin@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:33:50 -0500 |
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Arielle Salama wrote:
>
> From: "Arielle Salama" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=243212020056018153184158163102240165094048139046" >ariellenewf@--------</a>
>
> SPAM stands for "specially prepared assorted meats"! Really!
>
> Sincerely,
> Julia Servilia Tullia
>
Which seems a misnomer, since it is really just pork shoulder and
ham...
Now SCRAPPLE is assorted. (Scrapple, for those of you who haven't
enjoyed this regional delight, is a breakfast meat made from
scraps of pig... leftover bits like snouts and such... I really
adore the stuff, personally.)
--
Mia So--------uist (<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=189075253209082116015223190036129" >tuozin@--------</a>)
ide bani ea-leli ene ua legi la, ua ide leri la dade lia
ea-ewiugutewi.
dike ida nuku ua kede.
(ma rage ea-luna!)
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| Subject: |
Re: A linguistical question |
| From: |
"Valeria Octavia" valeria_octavia@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:41:06 HST |
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Avete, Novaromani!
You are quite correct, Sarmati, any noun that is being directly
addressed (talked to) should be in the vocative case. The rules for this
case are simple: any noun whose nominative singular ending is --us is
changed to --e, and any noun whose nominative singular ending is --ius is
changed to --i. The plural nomanative endings of these nouns do not change
in the vocative case.
Nominative Singular Form Vocative Singular Form
Servus Serve
Nominative Plural Form Vocative Plural Form Servi
Servi
Nominative Singular Form Vocative Singular Form
Marius Mari
Nominative Plural Form Vocative Plural Form Marii
Marii
These are the only types of nouns that change in the vocative case that I
know of, most nouns just keep the nominative form in the vocative.
Valete,
Prima Cornelia Valeria Octavia (who isn't always this textbookish...)
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Latinus Vivit! :)
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