Subject:	Chat Primer
From:	Marius Fimbria legion6@--------
Date:	Wed, 05 Jan 2000 01:28:39 -0600 (CST)

Salvete omnes...

It's been forever since we had anything steady going on in the Forum
Romanum chatroom. But recently I have seen people at least stick their
heads in from time to time; that's more action than the place has seen
in many weeks... Cornelius Sulla may still be working on getting us a
more stable chatroom; but in the meantime, for the benefit of those who
may stop by the one we've got, here's how it used to work:

[You can tell I originally started writing this in response to one
Quintus Arrius' appearance in the room itself; I missed him by several
hours, and the room may refresh before its next visitor gets a chance
to read this, so I've done a little cut-and-paste. Publius Claudius
Lucentius Severus, Quintus Arrius, I hear your plea!!]

> PUBLIUSCLS: Does anybody come in here?

> QuintusArrius: here never is anyone!!!!!!

MariusFimbria: ...Not much, anymore; there were some hurt feelings,
some betrayals of trust, and when we had about got over those, the room
itself started shutting down randomly. As recently as a month ago it
was resetting almost hourly; you could come in in the middle of a
lively conversation, but if the room had reset there'd be no trace of
anyone from before. Who knows if it's any more stable now? --Has
anyone stayed there long enough to find out...?

The room resets at 0530 Central/1230 Roma time every day, anyway; but
if it is otherwise-stable, it can still take 20min. to an hour for
someone else to show up.

Once you *have* found someone to chat with, you must be patient; other
duties or a slow/shaky Internet connection can keep your partner from
responding immediately. The room itself has so many
constantly-refreshing elements that people frequently get bounced.
Also, many of us chat from school or work, and our duties there take
precedence; so if someone doesn't reply right away, that doesn't mean
they've walked out and left you.

As for what we used to talk about...anything Roman-related; Nova Roman
affairs; and, back when I was a regular, we used to have our own brand
of fun! We called it the Taverna; one of our Citizens posed as the
Barkeep; she had a Boss and a Bouncer (whom we blamed for lost
connections), and the rest of us were our rotten rowdy Roman selves.
Ericius always brought his sailors, and I my Legionaries; they'd tidy
up the place at closing-time... I believe someone was even developing
a 3D rendering of the Taverna, which (from the way we'd all imagined
and described it) wound up very closely resembling a similar
establishment in Pompeii, not too far from the city-wall.

We had romances and political debates, military tribunals and a Homeric
Epic Battle... Vampires and werewolves were to be seen, a resident
ghost and the occasional Mad Emperor...not to mention a little bit of
advanced weapons research...(heh heh!) --All in all, it was a good
place to relax and loosen your cingulum, kick off your caligae (out of
regard for the wooden flooring) and join in the Continuing Saga.

When we weren't storytelling, we'd talk scholarship or Nova Roman
current events; sometimes a magistrate would hold an open house, other
times they'd just drop in and join the fun. There'd usually be a chat
connected with any special event, like right after a Provincial
get-together or to interview and congratulate the latest Senate
appointee. We have definitely been missing this element in our public
life and in our life as a community. Anyone interested in helping
revive the practice is welcome to stop on by; I can't promise we'll get
the Saga going again until the room reaches critical mass, but we can
begin to make the Chat whatever it is next destined to become...

Note to European Citizens: It's true that the room's hours of Official
Happenings and you guys' hours of availability do not closely coincide;
but is anything stopping you from setting up your own Chats, Tavernae
and special events? (You've got us beat with our pants down when it
comes to face-to-face get-togethers...) >({|;-)

My own hours of availability are from 10pm to 2am Central/5-9am Roma
time on workdays (Wed.-Sat.); and (still) in the later evening/early
morning hours on my days off. Hope to see lots of you there!

In amicitia et fides.
***********************************************************
Lucius Marius Fimbria |>[SPQR]<|
(who does NOT run the place.)

Subject:	Oath of Office
From:	"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@--------
Date:	Wed, 05 Jan 2000 05:00:43 PST

Quiritibus, Salutem!

I regret that recent illness has prevented me from formally taking up office
until now (or, indeed, from knowing that the Senate had honoured me with the
appointment). I have just sworn this oath at my lararium, and made a
bloodless sacrifice for the well-being of the citizens of Nova Roma, and
especially Britannia, in the coming year:

I, NICOLAUS MORAVIUS VADO (NICHOLAS MURRAY FORD), DO HEREBY SOLEMNLY SWEAR
TO UPHOLD THE HONOUR OF NOVA ROMA, AND TO ACT ALWAYS IN THE BEST INTERESTS
OF THEPEOPLE AND SENATE OF NOVA ROMA.

AS A MAGISTRATE OF NOVA ROMA I, NICOLAUS MORAVIUS VADO, SWEAR TO HONOUR THE
GODS AND GODDESSES OF ROME IN MY PUBLIC DEALINGS, AND TO PURSUE THE ROMAN
VIRTUES IN MY PUBLIC AND PRIVATE LIFE.

I, NICOLAUS MORAVIUS VADO, SWEAR TO UPHOLD AND DEFEND THE RELIGIO ROMANA AS
THE STATE RELIGION OF NOVA ROMA AND SWEAR NEVER TO ACT IN ANY WAY THAT WOULD
THREATEN ITS STATUS AS THE STATE RELIGION.

I, NICOLAUS MORAVIUS VADO, SWEAR TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF
NOVA ROMA.

I, NICOLAUS MORAVIUS VADO, FURTHER SWEAR TO FULFILL THE OBLIGATIONS AND
RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE OFFICE OF PROPRAETOR BRITANNIAE TO THE BEST OF MY
ABILITIES.

ON MY HONOUR AS A CITIZEN OF NOVA ROMA, AND IN THE PRESENCE OF THE GODS AND
GODDESSES OF THE ROMAN PEOPLE AND BY THEIR WILL AND FAVOUR, DO I ACCEPT THE
POSITION OF PROPRAETOR BRITANNIAE AND ALL THE RIGHTS, PRIVILEGES,
OBLIGATIONS AND RESPONSIBILITIES ATTENDANT THERETO.

ITA ME IUPPITER! ITA ME IUNO! ITA ME MINERVA! ITA ME NUMEN TRIPLEX DEAE
MATRONALES INSULAE BRITANNIAE!

(So help me Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva and the Threefold Spirit of the Mother
Goddesses of the Islands of Britain).

Valete bene in operibus vostris,

N. Moravius Vado

Propraetor Britanniae.

Pacem mundus agat, nec turbida sidera regnent.

(Let the world have peace, and no stars of trouble reign).

- Decimus Maximus Ausonius (c. 310-395 CE).

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Subject:	December Eagle
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:50:53 -0500 (EST)

Salvete, Citizens and Subscribers;

Just a quick note to tell everyone that the December 1999 issue of the
Nova Roma Eagle has been dispatched on its way. This has been a very
interesting effort this last few months, and I have learned a great deal
from this task. The financial report for this period will follow in a
week.

I would like to thank ProConsul Germanicus for the opportunity to get
involved in this service. It was he who offered me the job and
encouraged me to take it on, and I thank him for his consideraton. It
has been an interesting activity and a great assistance to me in
learning more about my favorite topic, Rome.

The person who worked with me on this project and donated the bulk of
the printing services gratias to Nova Roma and also contributed articles
to the publication was ProConsul / Pontifex Maximus Marcus Cassius
Julianus. His contribution of printing services have saved Nova Roma a
significant amount of finances, which will accrue to the Eagle Funding
under the new Curator Differum (Editor) Decius Iunius Palladius, which
will allow perhaps some leeway for new ideas to prosper.

I would ask that all Nova Roma Citizens strongly consider subscribing to
Eagle, and to make the Eagle your means of sharing your knowledge of
things Roman as well as your ideas and your concepts. Ideas written on
paper are much more lasting than ideas shared electronically.

In accordance with the rules of keeping personal information under
security, I have transferred all available addresses, member lists, and
administrative notes to the new editor. I have retained no information
regarding any personal data, copies of lists, or addresses, excetera. I
have retained only personal information provided to me by individuals
for purposes other than the issue of the Eagle. All questions and
information regarding Eagle should now be directed to the new Curator
Differum, Decius Iunius Palladius.

I pass on this task, with the best wishes for the future. I am
confident that the quality of the Eagle will significantly improve with
the availability of on-line publishing hard / software as opposed to the
physical "cut and paste" of the last few months. It is my intent to
continue to periodically contribute to the Eagle as I am able and there
are currently two articles included with the materials sent to Palladius
for his consideration. I encourage all of you to also contibute to the
Eagle and to make it your pubication of choice. I thank the Citizens
and Magistrates of Nova Roma for this opportunity and experience, and
for thier kind support of my service.

Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Former Curator Differum

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	On Sacrifice
From:	"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@--------
Date:	Wed, 05 Jan 2000 05:51:57 PST

Salutem iterum!

I'm sorry if this topic has already passed from general interest, and no
less so if anyone finds it vexatious, but I ask your indulgence while I put
in my (belated) dupondius' worth:

Imprimis: I am very pleased that Mus Fortunatus Rodens has been reprieved,
and hope he's happy with his new exercise wheel :-). May he live to a ripe
old age (3, at least).

A bottle of Mumm is a handsome libation, in my humble opinion one truly
worthy of a Consul, no less of Iuppiter Optimus Maximus. I congratulate Q.
Fabius Maximus on his elegantia!

Et item: contributors on this subject seem generally to concur that setting
fire to a quantity of banknotes would also have been an appropriate
sacrifice. I don't know if anyone else does, but I have a problem with this:
who would benefit from such a sacrifice?

Anciently, if a bull (say) were sacrificed, lots of people enjoyed a
barbecue in addition to (it was assumed) the gods deriving some kind of
tangible gratification (if not sustenance) from the creature's life-blood
and the odour of the roasting fat and entrails. (Personally, I'd always
decline a mouthful of rat sandwich). (Even with plenty of liquamen). Now
according to what I once heard from a veteran of the hyperinflation of the
Weimar Republic, burning banknotes doesn't even warm the hearth in winter
for very long. Perhaps the gods would enjoy the savour of burning paper, but
I doubt it.

Now I know many of my fellow-citizens believe that it is we alone, and not
the gods, who benefit from our sacrifices. If this is truly so, then surely
all we gain from setting fire to part of our personal wealth is some sort of
Stoical self-satisfaction.

Now, without in any way wishing to criticise Q. Fabius' libation (which I
feel sure was well received), I would ask anyone who is contemplating an
expensive sacrifice of something the gods definitely don't need or even
like, such as money, to consider whether we might perhaps learn something
from the early Christians, who made their sacrifices by giving the thing
sacrificed (money, food, whatever) , in the name of their god, to another
party whose need was obvious. To my mind, any god worth the name would find
such a mode of sacrifice pleasing, and there would be unquestionable benefit
- the mortal recipient(s). The god, too, would be honoured by being named as
a public benefactor.

By my reckoning, the modern, industrial equivalent, in economic value, of a
spotless white bull would be, for example, a new ambulance. Just a thought,
for if we ever become so wealthy.

Oh, and Quinte Fabi - I hope you didn't go to the trouble of gilding the
rat's toenails before you had that change of heart and mind? ;-)

Valete bene,

Vado.
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Subject:	Re: Chat Primer
From:	DTibbe2926@--------
Date:	Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:50:55 EST

Nice posting, Marius.

Picking up on the theme of Europeans organising a time I will volunteer for
this for a while.

I will be in the NR chatroom at 5pm GMT (6pm NR Time) Thursday 6th January
and Friday 7th January for one hour.

Hope to see someone there.

Publus Claudius Lucentius Severus
Britannia

Subject:	Deification.
From:	GregTheRed@--------
Date:	Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:40:08 EST

Romans!

I was thinking last night about the Roman policy of deification. Of
course this was done mostly in the days of the emperors, and by the Senate,
but what does everybody think of it? And what would everybody think about a
policy in Nova Roma of deifying ancient heroes? I would like to know
everybody's opinion on this. I am definitely for rewarding our greatest
Roman ancestors with a place among the Immortal Gods; especially since my
patron God is Divus Claudius.


Tiberius Augustulus Claudius

Subject:	Re: Roman wedding?
From:	"Tinnekke Bebout" tinnekke@--------
Date:	Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:56:15 GMT

Salve Patricia Cassia

Blessings and congratualtions on your engagement to you and Cassius. I wish
you both all happiness and joy.

Vale

Cypria

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Subject:	Re: Deification.
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:53:47 EST

This was brought up a while ago and I believe it was decided that Nova Roma
would not deify any ancient figures not already deified by the original
Senate nor would NR deify any NR figures (i.e. Germanicus, Cassius, etc.).

While we may consider ourselves the spiritual ancestors of those Romans, I do
not believe it is in our right to deify anyone.

However, if anyone wishes to personally burn incense to an image of me in
their own home, feel free to do so with my blessing! : )

--Dexippus

In a message dated 1/5/00 12:40:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=244212192108059125184229163208114253071048139" >GregTheRed@--------</--------; writes:

<< I was thinking last night about the Roman policy of deification. Of
course this was done mostly in the days of the emperors, and by the Senate,
but what does everybody think of it? And what would everybody think about
a
policy in Nova Roma of deifying ancient heroes? I would like to know
everybody's opinion on this. I am definitely for rewarding our greatest
Roman ancestors with a place among the Immortal Gods; especially since my
patron God is Divus Claudius. >>

Subject:	Re: Deification.
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Wed, 5 Jan 2000 15:14:00 -0500

Salvete Tiberi Claudi et alii


>
> I was thinking last night about the Roman policy of deification.

It's nice to know that someone else thinks about things like this at night.
I was getting a little worried there for a while.

Of
>course this was done mostly in the days of the emperors, and by the Senate,
>but what does everybody think of it?

Deification is one aspect of the Roman mindset (not necessarily the only
one) that makes me uncomfortable. Maybe it's just another handicap that I
have inherited by virtue of my modern origin, but I cannot stomach the
thought of a person whom I've known being deified. I generally cannot
tolerate human claims to superiority, including divinity. Of course, the
nearer the claimant, the harder it is to tolerate.

It would be perfectly Roman for us to deify great Romans of the imperial
age, but I think that it might set a precedent that some Nova Roman might
seize later. I am not enthusiastic about the two types of argument that I
foresee evolving from the precedent of deification:

i Which great Romans to deify? How do we do it? (this will lead to plenty
of arguing, followed by consumption of the time of the Senate and Collegium
Pontificum, I guess, to work out a "deification procedure" - yuck - then,
people will be unhappy, both about the choice(s) of great Romans deified, as
well as the procedure)

ii The nastier round of arguing would occur down the road, probably a couple
of years but maybe less, when someone begins a campaign to have himself
deified.

And what would everybody think about a
>policy in Nova Roma of deifying ancient heroes?

See above.

I would like to know
>everybody's opinion on this. I am definitely for rewarding our greatest
>Roman ancestors with a place among the Immortal Gods; especially since my
>patron God is Divus Claudius.

Well, you probably have achieved an aspect of Romanitas in your mindset that
I'll never have, if you can honor the genius of a great Roman that way. I
recognize emperor deification and worship as a Roman reality, and I hope
that it is satisfying for you and others to practice it. All the same, I
urge everyone not to undertake to deify anyone, living or deceased, in Nova
Roma. In our modern, largely virtual context, the most significant result,
in my estimation, is that it would pave the way for conflicts over whom to
deify and how, and, perhaps even an attempt to build a cult of personality
around an ambitious Nova Roman. I submit that these potential repercussions
outweigh the satisfaction that deifying great Romans of the past would
possibly achieve.

Valete

C Marius Merullus
>
>
>Tiberius Augustulus Claudius
>

Subject:	Re: December Eagle
From:	"Diana" mercurius@--------
Date:	Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:34:38 +0100

> Just a quick note to tell everyone that the December 1999 issue of the
> Nova Roma Eagle has been dispatched on its way
Hi Audens,
Have you received my subscription info from Britannia yet? If not, could you
please check into it for me (or let me know who I must contact)? I sent in
the 10£ at the beginning of September and so I am anxiously awainting my
first Eagle.
Bright Blessings,
Diana

Subject:	Finally after six months...
From:	CyanneRose@--------
Date:	Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:42:11 EST

Salve All Nova Roman Citizens of Nova Roma,

I am very pleased to tell everyone, that after six long months and six times
filling
out the applications I'm finally a citizen. The great Censor Lucius Cornelius
Sulla
has taken on pity on me.... ( probaly after all my complaining).. And I'd
like to thank
him for doing such a speedy job of it... Now I can take the steps of becoming
a Vestal or at least try too.


Vale to All
Avalonia

Subject:	Re: December Eagle
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:34:33 -0500 (EST)

Salve, Diana;

The way things work for the Eagle is that all the European subscribers
are served by Aprica in the United Kingdom. The Curator Differum sends
her the number of Eagles she requests and she sends them on. The
subscription money goes through her and is sent to the Financial
Quaestor Patricia Cassia. I was notified to provide 7 copies of the
Eagle to Aprica for the December Issue. Previous issues, I have
provided six.

In response to your question; I ask the following of the involved
citizens:

Quaestor Cassia Julianus, have you recieved the subscription money from
Diana? Please respond to her privately. Aprica, is Diana on your list
to recieve a December Issue of the Eagle? Please respond to Diana
privately.

Diana, If you do not get a satisfactory response to your question within
a reasonable length of time then contact me again and let me know if you
want back issues of the Eagle (Oct and Nov) or if you wish to extend
your subscription with Palladius. In either case since this is your
second request, of me about this matter, apparently without
satisfaction, a copy of the December Eagle will be will be on its way
to you as soon as I have your mailing address in hand. This will be a
free issue for you and I will pass that information on to Palladius. If
you get two issues of the December Eagle that is all right as the offer
still stands. I apologize for the lack of information afforded you, and
if I may be of any further assistance in this matter please do not
hesitate to contact me.

Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Consul

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Oath of Office: Curator Sermonem
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:21:53 EST

Salve Lucius Marius

I think you'll need to wait quite a while before you may legally post
your oath -- according to the date of your post, it's June 1918 wherever
you are!

While you're waiting to catch up, if you'll make some smart stock
purchases you can buy Nova Roma a homeland with the profits 82 years
later. ;-)

Vale,

Lucius Sergius Australicus


certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.

(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)

Subject:	Re: Deification.
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:38:24 -0800

To add something to what Dexippus Augur has said, and what he said is
correct
I am only elaborating on one part of our decision in the College of
Pontiffs --
Nova Roma does not include the deified emperors in its official state
religion.
This does not effect a citizens personal religio. The question was
brought up last year--
maybe it was the year before last!-- regarding divi Augustus. The
discussion was long.
It covered many points. Some say we chickened out. Much of the
discussion went
along the lines of Nova Roma extolling the Republic. Etc.

I, personally, do not think that the decision of the Collegium
Pontificum should,
in any way, be used to stop any discussion of the subject of
deification, though
I do not think the opinion of the Collegium Pontificum would be
changed.

One thing to think about with the subject of us folks getting into the
deification game:
We might agree on Divus Iulius, Divus Augustus and Divus Claudius.
What about
some of the later "ones"? (Who I will not name since my comments
might be
considered insulting to anyone who does think them divine. What about
Divus Elvis?
(No Dex! I'm not slighting your status as Diva. Divus, not "Diva".
Ave, Dexippus!)
Let the chats begin! [?]

Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius
Augur et Pontifex

<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:

> This was brought up a while ago and I believe it was decided that
> Nova Roma
> would not deify any ancient figures not already deified by the
> original
> Senate nor would NR deify any NR figures (i.e. Germanicus, Cassius,
> etc.).
>
> While we may consider ourselves the spiritual ancestors of those
> Romans, I do
> not believe it is in our right to deify anyone.
>
> However, if anyone wishes to personally burn incense to an image of
> me in
> their own home, feel free to do so with my blessing! : )
>
> --Dexippus
>
> In a message dated 1/5/00 12:40:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=244212192108059125184229163208114253071048139" >GregTheRed@--------</--------; writes:
>
> << I was thinking last night about the Roman policy of deification.
> Of
> course this was done mostly in the days of the emperors, and by the
> Senate,
> but what does everybody think of it? And what would everybody think
> about
> a
> policy in Nova Roma of deifying ancient heroes? I would like to
> know
> everybody's opinion on this. I am definitely for rewarding our
> greatest
> Roman ancestors with a place among the Immortal Gods; especially
> since my
> patron God is Divus Claudius. >>
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Subject:	Re: Oath of Office: Curator Sermonem
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:09:44 -0800

Curiouser and curiouser!
I had not noticed the year on Fimbria's post until I got yours.
The odd thing is that the post of the Oath that I got is dated Dec.
31, 1969!
That was an odd year anyway. Fun, in ways, and while I wouldn't mind
being that age again, I do not really want to have to redo the '70s.
Well, the
men's styles did grab your attention, and maybe I'd say the right
thing to
whatever her name was...

Ericius.

<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=226107192180229130130232031248147208071048" >LSergAust@--------</--------; wrote:

> Salve Lucius Marius
>
> I think you'll need to wait quite a while before you may legally
> post
> your oath -- according to the date of your post, it's June 1918
> wherever
> you are!
>

Subject:	Re: Chat Primer
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Wed, 05 Jan 2000 19:37:08 -0800

I have probably figured out the hours wrong (I should have taken off
my caligae)
but I think that is 9:00 a.m. Pacific time, which would be Noon on the
Eastern seaboard.
You might find some people west of the Atlantic dropping in for a
quick hello.
I'm at work at that time, but am able to check in occasionally.

C. Aelius Ericius.

<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132100020254093198016200200028114253071048139" >DTibbe2926@--------</--------; wrote:

> Nice posting, Marius.
>
> Picking up on the theme of Europeans organising a time I will
> volunteer for
> this for a while.
>
> I will be in the NR chatroom at 5pm GMT (6pm NR Time) Thursday 6th
> January
> and Friday 7th January for one hour.
>
> Hope to see someone there.
>
> Publus Claudius Lucentius Severus
> Britannia

Subject:	Re: Calendars (was: Trying to figure propitious days)
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:00:45 -0800

Salve.

"Sequence of months", to me, says that they were in a different order.
No on that one. Common lore of the calendar says that C.J.C. named Quintilis

after himself. I wouldn't put it past him. And Augustus got Sextilis in his
own way.
But they followed each other in the same order. Quintilis, Sextilis,
September, October,
November, December, January, February, March, April, May and June. (I'll let
you supply
the Latin.) The beginning of the Roman year was switched to January before
Caesar.
"...at least from 153 b.c. 1 January became the fixed date..." of the Consuls
taking office.
And the year began from there. As you probably know the Roman year had begun
with
the Kalends of March. The Roman year had also been figured from the Parilia,
the
founding of the City, 21 April. Another date that I've read for being a time
when the
Roman year was figured from (for however long or short a period of history)
was the
Festival of Janus on January 8. Time has always been a slippery thing, Look
at the
beginning of the common era centuries!

What I believe was meant by the phrase saying that Nova Roma would go
by the early Republican calendar is that there would be none of the late
Republican
or Imperial holidays and festivals. No games in honor of the victories of
Sulla or Caesar. No Divi Augusti Diei, etc. I know I'll be corrected where
I'm mistaken. Of course this leaves out Mithras Day, which many of us honor
on our own.

enough for now
Vale.
Ericius.
---------------
"Damn the proper endings! Full speed ahead!"



Ira Adams wrote:

> From: Ira Adams <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=210166080237038233015038190036129" >iadams@--------</a>
>
> Last word? I doubt it, because you leave me with a question: is the only
> difference between the Julian calendar and the previous one that the
> Julian calendar begins with January?
>
> I thought it says on our Web site somewhere that we use the pre-Julian
> calendar. I was sure the Divine Julius changed more than just the
> sequence of the months, but I don't recall the details right now. Do you?