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Re: Roman Names and Year of Rome |
| From: |
"LegionXXIV" LegionXXIV@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:42:26 -0500 |
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VICESIMA - QUARTA
LEGION XXIV - MEDIA - ATLANTIA
* PROVINCIA PENNSYLVANIA *
* MEDIA - ATLANTICA * AMERICIA *
Defending the Frontiers of Ancient Rome
in the Mid - Atlantic Province
of North America
January 10, 2000
Year of Rome 2752
Avete et Salutatio... Commilitium of NovaRoma
Hello and Greetings from Gallio Velius Marsallas,
Praefectus, Legio XXIV Media-Atlantia;
Tribune Militaris - NovaRoma - Gens Velia
aka George W. Metz
13 Post Run Newtown Square, PA 19073-3014
<a h--------"/post/nova--------?p--------ctID=034056178009193116001195151189114012071048139" >legionXXIV@--------</a> 610-353-4982
<a href="http://www.legionXXIV.org" target="_top" >http://www.legionXXIV.org</a>
Having trouble selecting a roman name?
Visit the "Roman Names" page of the
Legion XXIV website.
It is quite comprehensive and should be of help.
Also; my understanding is that the current year of Rome
is still 2752 AUC "Ab Urbe Condita - from the
founding of the city"; and will not change to 2753 until
April 21st; the traditional date for the founding of
Rome by Romulus in 753 BC.
Check out our Website <a href="http://www.legionxxiv.org" target="_top" >http://www.legionxxiv.org</a>
It is loaded with links to other roman legions, suppliers
and contacts, along with historical roman organizations
and data. Our "Links" pages, "Roman Names" page,
"Glossary" and "TimeLines" are quite comprehensive.
Take a look.
As always, I remain;
Tuus in Sodalicio Respublica Romanae
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic
Gallio / George
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Date: Monday, January 10, 2000 3:10 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Digest Number 691
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| Subject: |
Lecture: Divination and Sacrificial Practices in Classical times |
| From: |
"Diana" mercurius@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:18:41 +0100 |
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I have seen at least one .nl address on this list and this will surely be of
interest to any Dutch speaking Nova Romans:
Werkgroep Traditie Vlaanderen has organized a lezing "Vorrspellingskunst en
Offergebruiken in de Klassieke Oudheid" (Lecture: Divination and Sacrificial
Practices in Classical times) given by Professor Peter Van Deun of the
Katholieke Universiteit Leuven.
Date: vrijdag 4 februari 2000
Time : 21.00u, Prijs: 150 BEF
Place: 't Waagstuk (taverne), Stadswaag 20, Antwerpen, België
For directions or further information, contact Koenraad Logghe,
<a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=189212113150082134036038203176129208071" >traditie@--------</a>
See you there!
Diana
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| Subject: |
Re: States of Mind |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:15:34 PST |
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Salvete, mei Quiriti!
The noble M. Minucius Audens and C. Aelius Ericius have requested my
definition of what constitutes 'refined intoxication'. So...
1. 'Refined' is the opposite of 'crude' or 'coarse', intoxication, and takes
two forms: 1) when what intoxicates you is coarse; and 2) when your
resulting behaviour is coarse...
Exemplum gratis: you are invited to a dinner-party at which several senators
and senior magistrates will be present. You decide to acquire a little
pre-prandial 'sparkle' by downing a sextarius of the 'white lightning' your
mad uncle Gnaeus makes from chicken feed, turnip peelings, hallucinogenic
mushrooms and discarded furniture, with which you mix a little floor polish
to improve the bouquet...
You arrive at the dinner-party feeling pleasantly relaxed, and oozing
bonhomie from every pore. The table-talk is a scintillating display of
epigrammatical eloquence. You laugh uproariously at everything that is said,
and giggle uncontrollably during the (ever lengthening) silences in between
the conversation.
By the time the sweetmeats are handed round, you suddenly vomit over your
hostess' lap-dog but with disarming brilliance ask which course it was
served with, as you don't remember having eaten it (this is undoubtedly your
best witticism of the evening).
Then, deciding to take your leave before your urbane charm and social polish
is impaired by overindulgence, on rising from the triclinium you mistake the
tablecloth for your loose toga-end and whip it around your shoulders with
one graceful sweep.
When the food, wine and glassware has completed its new configuration on the
floor and on the other guests, you realise your mistake and defy anyone else
to do better. At this stage, at least two very large household slaves escort
you home, despite your protests that you can still walk and can remember
where you live...
Thus, coarse intoxication in both forms. Now for the refined sort...
It is, like all other forms of refinement, the product of a repeated
process, of some sophistication and complexity. In order to achieve this
state by evening therefore, it is advisable to begin at breakfast. Start
with something light, such as a half-fermented, petillant Vaticanum mixed
with plenty of orange juice. One should graduate to a 30% diluted Alban by
lunchtime, but not progress to the neat Caecuban mulsum or Nubian palm wine
until well after sundown.
In my own particular case, I had been drinking a nourishing Cerevisia
Britannica to aid my convalescence from the winter ague, helped out by a
restorative cordial (taken under medical supervision) of a sort of aqua
vitae which is made by the Caledonii far north of the Wall and exported to
us in southern Britain where it is sold at an outrageous price. Its recipe
is a jealously-guarded secret, but the northern tribes tell me that
basically it is made by capturing the steam from boiling barley-porridge,
letting it run through a coiled sheep's gut, collecting the drips, boiling
them up again and repeating the process three or four times. Of course I
don't believe a word of it. It's some liquor they press from the golden
apples of the Hesperides.
Hope this helps,
Vado Arbiter.
> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 20:28:26 -0800
> From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: States Of Mind
>
>At a guess... maybe it is from refined spirits. Gin, whisky,
>isopropyl?
>
>Ericius
>(imbiber of vinegar)
>
>James Mathews wrote:
>
> > Salve, Vado;
> >
> > Please define "refined intoxication!!!"
> >
> > Marcus Audens
> >
> > Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: States of Mind |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:58:48 -0600 |
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Ave Amicus Bacchus Fortis!
Nicolaus Moravius wrote:
>
> Salvete, mei Quiriti!
>
> The noble M. Minucius Audens and C. Aelius Ericius have requested my
> definition of what constitutes 'refined intoxication'. So...(excision)
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Vado Arbiter.
>
Heh, Heh, Heh!!!
Vado you are a man after my own heart! I've just received a bottle of
the Glen Fiddych, a late Yule/Saturnalia/Christmas gift from my hunting
buddy. I'll hoist one to the Gods on behalf of both our livers.
in Amicus - Venator Coqueror et Imbibor ](({;-{)
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Roman Names and Year of Rome |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:53:31 -0800 |
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Salvete.
Romans were -- well I can't say "if nothing else" because we know
our predecessors were many things-- The ancient Romans were practical.
LegionXXIV wrote:
[snips]
January 10, 2000
> Year of Rome 2752
>
[snips]
> Also; my understanding is that the current year of Rome
> is still 2752 AUC "Ab Urbe Condita - from the
> founding of the city"; and will not change to 2753 until
> April 21st; the traditional date for the founding of
> Rome by Romulus in 753 BC.
21 April is the Birthday of Roma.
For a while the beginning of the Roman year was also in March (the
month of Mars).
Some people think the new year day was on the Vernal Equinox, but we
know the
ancient Romans were not renowned for their astronomical excellence,
and that
Roman practicalness undoubtedly, in my opinion, began the year with
the Kalends of March--
the beginning of March.
Roman magistrates, as we know, served terms of one year (for the
overwhelming part).
The magistrates, over the first six or so centuries, entered office at
various times.
Over time the beginning of the year was shifted to January. By 153
bce all magistrates offices,
except for that of the Tribunes of the People who took their offices
on 10 December previous,
began their terms of office on the Kalends of Ianuarius. The Julian
calendar did not move the
beginning of the year to the beginning of January, it was already
there for over a century and a
half.
Roma Aeterna will not be 2753 years old until the Parilia on tenth day
before the Kalends of May
(eleven days by the Julian calendar, which is the calendar we are
living with). The current year
rolled over to 2753 (MMDCCLIII) on the Kalends of Ianuarius past. For
some it might not be
observed until mensis Maris, others will keep back dating their count
until 21 April. There are
also people who debate which century of the common era this is. It
all seems the same sort of
thing to me.
Thank you, Legate, for the opportunity to post these thoughts. It
always comes to mind at
the above times of year. =({[;-)
Vale.
C. Aelius Ericius
Senator of Nova Roma
Augur et Pontifex.
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| Subject: |
Iuturnae - III Id. Ian. |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:55:30 -0800 |
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11 January is the cult day of the water nymph and benefactress of
Roma, Iuturna.
The spirit presided over a spring in the south-west corner of the
Forum at the base of
the Capitoline. This spring was later identified with Iuturna, who in
turn was originally the spirit of the river Numicus, the Rio Torto
which ran between Lavinium and Ardea. The Forum site became known as
the Lacus Iuturnae and had a formal pool and a shrine. The cult was
accepted as part of the state religio very early. The cult and the
holy place were not under the supervision of the duoviri sacris
faciundis, this bit of knowledge leads scholars to the knowledge that
the worship of Iuturna antedates the consultation of the Sibylline
books.
Iuturna was linked in legend with Castor and Pollux. Their temple
was beside that of the
goddess Iuturna. The Dioscuri, as the Heavenly Twins were called,
were said to have watered their horses at the pool of Iuturna after
bringing news of the victory at the battle
of Lake Regillus in 494 bce and after the victory over Macedon in 168
bce. During an excavation at the site of the pool and shrine an early
statue of Aesculapius was found; this
is taken by some scholars to suggest that Iuturna was regarded as a
goddess of healing.
Varro also says this, but modern scholars do not take the ancient
scholars at their word.
Wisely so at times.
Iuturna also had a temple in the Campus Martius, dedicated
after 241 bce,
it is Ovid who tells us its cult day is 11 January. It is not known
the exact relation
between the temple on the Campus Martius and the one in the Forum but
it is thought
that the later temple was dedicated on the date of the festival of
Iuturna in the Forum..
The Iuturnalia was celebrated by "those whose business was
connected with water"
(qui artificum aqua exercent). A large mythology grew up around
Iuturna (Juturna in English)
and H.H. Scullard wondered if literary men regularly attended the
festival. Virgil gave Iuturna a considerable role in the last book of
the Aeneid as the sister of the prince of Ardea, Turnus.
Here is a link to a picture of the shrine of Iuturna today:
<a href="http://wings.buffalo.edu/AandL/Maecenas/rome/for_rom_central/ac991827.html" target="_top" >http://wings.buffalo.edu/AandL/Maecenas/rome/for_rom_central/ac991827.html</a>
If it please you, and Her, in Latin and English.
Salve, Iuturna, Goddess of the earliest days of the City,
quod bonum faustum, felictatem, prosperitatem, fortunatem salutareque
sit nationi Novae Romae universae.
Smile upon us with favor and grant us the quenching of our thirsts,
the cleansing and healing of our wounds.
Accept these words as my humble offering.
Ita est.
C. Aelius Ericius
Pontifex, Augur, Senator of Nova Roma.
Roman.
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Roman Names and Year of Rome |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:36:55 -0800 |
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> Having trouble selecting a roman name?
>
> Visit the "Roman Names" page of the
> Legion XXIV website.
> It is quite comprehensive and should be of help.
>
Sulla Felix: Thank you for that note. Hopefully, once I am caught up on
some of the previous censor work, we will post on the website something that
is comprehensive regarding Roman Names. :)
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
>
> Also; my understanding is that the current year of Rome
> is still 2752 AUC "Ab Urbe Condita - from the
> founding of the city"; and will not change to 2753 until
> April 21st; the traditional date for the founding of
> Rome by Romulus in 753 BC.
>
> Check out our Website <a href="http://www.legionxxiv.org" target="_top" >http://www.legionxxiv.org</a>
> It is loaded with links to other roman legions, suppliers
> and contacts, along with historical roman organizations
> and data. Our "Links" pages, "Roman Names" page,
> "Glossary" and "TimeLines" are quite comprehensive.
> Take a look.
>
> As always, I remain;
>
> Tuus in Sodalicio Respublica Romanae
> Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic
>
> Gallio / George
>
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