| Subject: |
Ianus, Luperca, Augustus |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 01:33:25 PST |
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Salutem!
Dixit M. Octavius Germanicus:
>For me, a three dimensional statue of a great man in a dramatic pose is
>visually more interesting than a line drawing of a head in profile.
Respondeo: good point, Marce Octavi: so what you're saying is, we really
need a good pic of a 3-D image of Ianus, right?
> > 3. How do we know that the statue of Augustus that used to be there is
> > Augustus, and not, say, Decius Iunius Palladius?
>
>Its identity has been thoroughly established. His facial features are
>consistent with those on coins and other portraits. That particular statue
>was dug up at a villa belonging to Livia, his wife.
Respondeo: Yes, but he probably took his glasses off while the sculptors
were working. And I thought he was married to - oh. You don't mean
Palladius. You mean the other fellow, don't you?
>I do prefer the Augustus statue, though. I have a plaster bust taken
>from it at home. He represents the grandeur and majesty of Rome at
>the height of its power
Respondeo: I disagree. In his time Britannia, the jewel in the Imperial
diadem, had not yet been added ;-)
>and his gesture seems to welcome visitors
>to the site.
Respondeo: I still say he seems to be making an obscene gesture at
republicans. Ah, well. It takes all kinds to make a res publica. :-)
>
Valete bene,
Vado.
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| Subject: |
Re: The Splash Page |
| From: |
"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:38:10 YEKT |
|
Salvete
>From: <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>
>In the spirit of having a readily-identifiable "Roman" picture on the
>splash page, I think a photograph of the statue of the wolf suckling
>Romulus and Remus might be quite appropriate. I think when people see it
>they would think "Ancient Rome". I don't think that'll happen if they see
>Ianus.
>
>
Did you mean this one <a href="http://rome.webzone.ru/" target="_top" >http://rome.webzone.ru/</a> ? Please check it out, I like
this Russian ROman history site, and it's 1st page...
AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE ETIAM
PROPRAETOR SARMATIAE PROVINCIAE
LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST
VALETE IN PACE
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| Subject: |
Capitoline Wolf |
| From: |
Diana Aventina <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:07:21 -0800 (PST) |
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> Nicolaus Moravius wrote:
> An image of the Capitoline Wolf would have been ideal
> and instantly reconizable if one insists on having yet
> another image.
Is the Capitline Wolf, the image that I use on my home
page <a href="http://www.geocities.com/paganfedbelgium" target="_top" >http://www.geocities.com/paganfedbelgium</a> ?
She IS instantly recognizable as Rome and that is why I
used that image (tired of seeing pentagrams on pagan
websites....
But anyway, if anyone wants it, i'll be happy to send it to
you off list- (this onelist is set up to remove
attachments).
I like the intro page to the Nova Roma website--it adds a
bit of suspense ("What will I find when I click?" and so
on.)
Bright Blessings,
Diana
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| Subject: |
Lectures on the Cult of Mithras-Attn Graecus |
| From: |
Diana Aventina <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:18:23 -0800 (PST) |
|
Hi all,
For some reason, the largest Asatru group in Belgium is
hosting 2 lectures in a row on Roman subjects. I have
already sent the info from the first lecture onto this list
and so here is the second lecture:
May 5 2000, 9:00PM, 't Waagstuk, Stadswaag 20, Antwerp,
belgium, Price 150BEF
Dr. Marleen Martins (of the Gallo-Roman Museum
Tongeren)will give a lecture on the Cult of Mithras and on
the recent discovery of a Temple of Mithras in Tienen
Belgium.
(Graecus--I will be there with pen in hand and will provide
you with a full report).
Diana
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| Subject: |
Web-site opening |
| From: |
Pat Washburn <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:14:33 -0500 |
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Quoth Cassius:
>I guess I'm just fussy... I've NEVER been real pleased with the front page.
As a web-site producer (really, I get paid full-time for this), I would
recommend doing away with the opening page altogether and just getting
people straight to the information with as little delay as possible.
As a former NR Webmaster, however, I wholeheartedly support Tarquinius in
whatever he chooses to do. It's a big and unwieldy job, and he deserves
credit for being willing to take it on. After this wedding is over, I may
even have a little spare time to volunteer to help him.
Patricia Cassia . Quaestor, Nova Roma
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a>
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| Subject: |
Re: Gens Page |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:46:45 EST |
|
Any idea when the Gens Page will be back up?
I know someone who wants to become a citizen and wants to review the list of
Gens but he can not access it.
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Gens Page |
| From: |
<--------lass="msghead"> &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=034166250009056116130232203056129208071" &g--------bienus@--------&l--------&g--------td>
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:32:21 US/Central |
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Salve Dexippe
> Any idea when the Gens Page will be back up?
It's up now; I just checked. It's been moved from the Aerarum Saturni to the
Tabularium, so the URL is different.
<a href="http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/album_gentium.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/album_gentium.html</a>
Vale,
T Labienus
Fortunatus
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| Subject: |
Re: Gens Page |
| From: |
"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:28:50 -0500 |
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Salvete Dexippe et alii
I got to it yesterday by clicking on the link to album gentium in the
section censorial alba in the Tabularium, which you will see if you scroll
down a bit on the main page of the NR website.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
>
>Any idea when the Gens Page will be back up?
>
>I know someone who wants to become a citizen and wants to review the list
of
>Gens but he can not access it.
>
|
| Subject: |
Re: Gens Page |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:32:18 EST |
|
In a message dated 1/19/00 10:33:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,
&l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=034166250009056116130232203056129208071" &g--------bienus@--------&l--------&g--------ri--------
<< It's up now; I just checked. It's been moved from the Aerarum Saturni to
the
Tabularium, so the URL is different.
<a href="http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/album_gentium.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/album_gentium.html</a> >>
The link from the Via Romana page should change too so users can access it
there.
Also...whoever is the keeper of that list has my e-mail link wrong. Please
ch-------- it to <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=114056131009152219130232203140129208071" >dexippus@--------</--------;
Thanks,
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Praedicatio Mariae gentis iterum de civium albo |
| From: |
"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:55:38 -0500 |
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Salvete censores et alii
Sorry to be a pest, but I need to bring to your attention some inaccurate
information on the album civium:
I) Gaius Marius Oppidifinis Orator is still there; he shouldn't be
II) I don't see Gaius Marius Lepidus there, who should be
III) I don't see Sextus Marius Australis there, who should be
Please correct the album accordingly. If you need any further information
about Lepidus or Australis, don't hesitate to ask. Both were admitted into
Nova Roma late last year.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
paterfamilias
Mariae gentis
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| Subject: |
Re: Gens Page |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:01:32 -0800 |
|
The Gens page is up Dex. :) Or it was when I last checked it. Caesar is REALLY
fast.. :) Granted it is the old one I am in process of creating the new one. :)
L. Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
>
> Any idea when the Gens Page will be back up?
>
> I know someone who wants to become a citizen and wants to review the list of
> Gens but he can not access it.
>
> --Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Roman Shipping |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
|
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:35:02 -0500 (EST) |
|
Salve, Citizens;
The enclosed is a message received from an SCA friend of Venator's.
Since the subject is one in which the Roman Engineering and Cartography
Sodalitas is interested, I have decided to sponsor this message to NR.
The above named Sodalitas will subscribe to these lists for a selected
period to determine the value of the information contained thereon to
the period of the Roman Republic. Anyone interested in this kind of
information is welcome to participate.
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Commander
Roman Engineering and Cartography Sodalitas
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Gens Page |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:46:19 -0800 |
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A suggestion. Regarding the location of the Gentes and Cives pages.
I suggest that they be given a "free standing" place on the
Main Site Index,
as they had from the beginning of our republic until their removal for
reworking.
Yes, that time span includes when there was nothing on them except a
note
saying they were being worked on.
This would be very handy for prospective citizens. They would
not have
to learn the pathways of the NR site in order find a gens, etc.
Perhaps have the
links right next to the Application link. Eh?
I know, Caesar, you are up to your elbows just getting the Other Stuff
working!
And a fine job you are doing too.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius
Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:
> From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
> The Gens page is up Dex. :) Or it was when I last checked it.
> Caesar is REALLY
> fast.. :) Granted it is the old one I am in process of creating the
> new one. :)
>
> L. Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Censor
>
> <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:
>
> > From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
> >
> > Any idea when the Gens Page will be back up?
> >
> > I know someone who wants to become a citizen and wants to review
> the list of
> > Gens but he can not access it.
> >
> > --Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: The Splash Page |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:59:36 -0800 |
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Salve, A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus Propraetor Samatia Provincia.
Sic. That is the one!
I clicked on a few of the links, and they went to a blank page.
I was wondering what other good pictures might be there.
That photograph of the wolf, Luperca, is perhaps the best I've
seen on the net, the lighting is excellent. I just wish the image
could be separated from the background. But that would be
stealing.
Vale, Propraetor.
C. Aelius Ericius.
Senator
Augur et Pontifex
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| Subject: |
Re: Roman Shipping |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:18:37 -0800 |
|
This seems to be another example of how the new Onelist is chopping up
our communications.
Audens, Consul et amice, there was no "enclosed message" with what I
received from you. You know that I will be very interested in ships,
boats
and vessels.
Can something be done about the current Onelist methods?
This is NOT something urgent, But...
It severely cuts into a way that Nova Romans have been exchanging
information
since the founding.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius
James Mathews wrote:
> From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/font>
>
> Salve, Citizens;
>
> The enclosed is a message received from an SCA friend of Venator's.
> Since the subject is one in which the Roman Engineering and
> Cartography
> Sodalitas is interested, I have decided to sponsor this message to
> NR.
> The above named Sodalitas will subscribe to these lists for a
> selected
> period to determine the value of the information contained thereon
> to
> the period of the Roman Republic. Anyone interested in this kind of
>
> information is welcome to participate.
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
> Tribune Miltum Laticlavius
> Commander
> Roman Engineering and Cartography Sodalitas
>
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>
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| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma, was Re: JOIN OUR CAUSE!!! |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:07:06 -0500 |
|
Heilsa,
(I'm cross-posting this to the Nova Roma email list, because I think this is
a discussion they might want to be in on.)
Andy Fear <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=219128113139178135213082190036" >cla04@--------</a> wrote in message
news:85mrp3$pj4$2@--------
>
> Went there and noticed that NOVA ROMA has one of these regardless of...
> clauses. Doesn't that just make it silly "wiccan" nonsense with knobs on?
As one of the co-founders of Nova Roma, as well as a historical
reconstructionist Norse Heathen, I'd like to address this particular issue.
I believe that Mr. Fear is referring to Paragraph II.A.3 of Nova Roma's
Constitution, which states "Citizenship is open to anyone regardless of
ethnic heritage, gender, religious affiliation, or sexual orientation."
The inclusion clause on the Nova Roman web site is there for a variety of
reasons. First, Nova Roma is not exclusively a pagan organization. While the
restoration of the Religio Romana is a central theme of Nova Roma, there are
a variety of non-religious activities that are undertaken under its banner.
Studies of Roman history and culture, historical reenactments, and the
restoration of the Roman Republican form of government rest proudly among
them. Plus, it should be remembered that the Romans were, if anything,
religiously syncretic. They did not obliterate the native religions of the
peoples they conquered; they joined them with their own. Religious tolerance
was the norm, as long as those religions were themselves tolerant.
Too, Roman citizenship was not exclusively for people originating from the
Eternal City, even in its earliest history. Citizenship was historically
open to peoples from all lands, and it would have been extremely odd for
Nova Roma-- which is an attempt to recreate the society of the Roman
Republic-- to suddenly decide to limit Citizenship to people of a particular
ethnic or national origin. The same goes for gender or sexual orientation;
the ancient Romans had their own morals regarding homosexuality, and were
generally tolerant of such behavior. It would have been abberant of us _not_
to be inclusive, since the ancient Romans were so inclusive.
I think in the context of Folkish Heathenry, what should be remembered is
that not all "Folks" are alike; what is "Folkish" for one "Folk" may not be
"Folkish" for another. Wicca doesn't have a corner on the tolerance market,
and all who are tolerant of others aren't necessarily Wiccan.
In frith,
Ślfgrim goši
Gers Ey Gošorš
<a href="http://www.gersey.org" target="_top" >http://www.gersey.org</a>
(Or, for my Nova Roman friends...)
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Censor, Senator et Augur
Nova Roma
<a href="http://www.novaroma.org" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org</a>
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Nova Roma, was Re: JOIN OUR CAUSE!!! |
| From: |
"Rick Brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:07:42 PST |
|
Very well stated, Flavius Vedius Germanicus! Pompeia Cornelia Strabo, new
member Gens Cornelia....Vale and blessings!!
>From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma, was Re: JOIN OUR CAUSE!!!
>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:07:06 -0500
>
>From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>
>
>Heilsa,
>
>(I'm cross-posting this to the Nova Roma email list, because I think this
>is
>a discussion they might want to be in on.)
>
>Andy Fear <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=219128113139178135213082190036" >cla04@--------</a> wrote in message
>news:85mrp3$pj4$2@--------
> >
> > Went there and noticed that NOVA ROMA has one of these regardless of...
> > clauses. Doesn't that just make it silly "wiccan" nonsense with knobs
>on?
>
>As one of the co-founders of Nova Roma, as well as a historical
>reconstructionist Norse Heathen, I'd like to address this particular issue.
>I believe that Mr. Fear is referring to Paragraph II.A.3 of Nova Roma's
>Constitution, which states "Citizenship is open to anyone regardless of
>ethnic heritage, gender, religious affiliation, or sexual orientation."
>
>The inclusion clause on the Nova Roman web site is there for a variety of
>reasons. First, Nova Roma is not exclusively a pagan organization. While
>the
>restoration of the Religio Romana is a central theme of Nova Roma, there
>are
>a variety of non-religious activities that are undertaken under its banner.
>Studies of Roman history and culture, historical reenactments, and the
>restoration of the Roman Republican form of government rest proudly among
>them. Plus, it should be remembered that the Romans were, if anything,
>religiously syncretic. They did not obliterate the native religions of the
>peoples they conquered; they joined them with their own. Religious
>tolerance
>was the norm, as long as those religions were themselves tolerant.
>
>Too, Roman citizenship was not exclusively for people originating from the
>Eternal City, even in its earliest history. Citizenship was historically
>open to peoples from all lands, and it would have been extremely odd for
>Nova Roma-- which is an attempt to recreate the society of the Roman
>Republic-- to suddenly decide to limit Citizenship to people of a
>particular
>ethnic or national origin. The same goes for gender or sexual orientation;
>the ancient Romans had their own morals regarding homosexuality, and were
>generally tolerant of such behavior. It would have been abberant of us
>_not_
>to be inclusive, since the ancient Romans were so inclusive.
>
>I think in the context of Folkish Heathenry, what should be remembered is
>that not all "Folks" are alike; what is "Folkish" for one "Folk" may not be
>"Folkish" for another. Wicca doesn't have a corner on the tolerance market,
>and all who are tolerant of others aren't necessarily Wiccan.
>
>In frith,
>
>Ślfgrim goši
>
>Gers Ey Gošorš
><a href="http://www.gersey.org" target="_top" >http://www.gersey.org</a>
>
>(Or, for my Nova Roman friends...)
>
>Valete,
>
>Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
>Censor, Senator et Augur
>
>Nova Roma
><a href="http://www.novaroma.org" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org</a>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Nova Roma, was Re: JOIN OUR CAUSE!!! |
| From: |
"Rick Brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:01:24 PST |
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